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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 1:03pm On Feb 28, 2021
Trevor012:
No it was patrickmuf cheesy cheesy. The guy was arguing back then with force only for Adama Traore to disgrace him grin grin
Abeg try avoid me, is it that difficult?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 1:00pm On Feb 28, 2021
eph12:
Bruno is a huge part of our attack which automatically makes our attack better.

With the kind of movement and pressing City does, I wouldn't doubt that though. Anyways these are the kind of arguments that will never resolved
If you watch City regularly, you will notice they have very wasteful attackers...What they have going for them is that they keep on creating chance after chance...

At City, Bruno won't score as much but he will assist more due to their style of play.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:16pm On Feb 28, 2021
TrebleChamp:
So Zidane and Iniesta is better CR7? Àbí wetin be the meaning of the bolded? Even Messi own sef we still dey debate am.....
Oh, Maradonna is the greatest of all time followed by Pele...........
Read up my subsequent response to Doc...I never forgive Ronaldo for leaving us for Madrid who at the time were not better than us...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:14pm On Feb 28, 2021
eph12:
Who're the strikers you're comparing with Rashford and Cavani in that City team this season?
Someone said Bruno is better than KDB and will have better stat if he played behind City attackers...I only reminded him our attackers have scored more than that of City so if his argument is that City have a better attack then I punctured it with stats that says otherwise...

If you claim Bruno is better than KDB based on stay then you should also accept our attack is better...Stats is killing football...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:43am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
We have scored more than City because we have the best creator-in-chief in the league, who has scored 22 goals and 13 assists in all competitions, he is overall clearly the best midfielder in league but you guys are doing everything in your power to denigrate him.

The simple reason City are above United is.

City= Pep, Stones, Dias.
United = Ole, Magwaya, Lindelof.

For Bruno to lead this team to score more goals despite deficiencies in his ream is testament of who is better
Statistically, we have a better attack and City so if I go by your logic, there's a better chance our strikers are likely to finish off chances compared to City...Let's deal on stats and stats only...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:41am On Feb 28, 2021
Expert17:
Will KDB have this same Bruno's effect we are enjoying??

What happen to Bruno stats at Portugal? He started featuring at the Uefa Nations League, and he made the Team of the tournament.
Drop his stat na...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:40am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
I am not just basing it on stats. Tell me any season where KDB pulled up a majestic performance in the UCL to at least lead City to final or win it. Even in the EPL he has not been the best player in any title winning team. In the national team, apart from in 2014 WC where they where knocked out in the quarters he has consistently gone missing every other tournament with WALEs knocking them out in 2016. This is despite playing in the best teams both at club and NT for tge best part of his career. Nobody is able to dispute these important facts and evidences, but you want to elevate him to a statue he is not up to
Replace KDB with Bruno...You seem to be judging KDB with higher standard than Bruno.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:34am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
On what evidence nwanne. Bruno has been dropping these numbers right from his Sporting days. If Gundogan and Sterling can score why won't Bruno? Somebody that was garnering G/As in droves pkaying with Rashford, Martial , Mctominay and Fred and James will suddenly stop scoring when he plays with Mahrez, Aguero, Sterling, Silva, Gundogan and Foden? Lol. Bruno is not the person that asked KDB to register just 1 open play goal all season
We have scored more than City, are our strikers better?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:26am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
Lol. Bruno wont score or assist in Pep system? What is your evidence? Gundogan has been scoring for fun recently and bruno will not score ? Nna nawa for una oooo, why do you guys just want to downgrade Bruno at any given opportunity while hyping others even when numbers are danming.
I said he won't score or assist as much...You're deliberately misquoting me...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:25am On Feb 28, 2021
Trevor012:
Mr Reyna is better than Sancho cheesy cheesy
You have a lot of time in your hands to go through someone post history just to find some dirts...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:23am On Feb 28, 2021
afrodoc2:
This debate will never be solved. In my opinion it is Pele. Messi's failures with the national team not just in terms of trophies but game play means he can't be top dog for me. There was a noticeable drop off between Messi's individual performances for club and country even at his peak. It is sad but true.

P.S I noticed you listed Iniesta but didn't mention CR7. Wattagwan?
I have not forgiven Ronaldo for leaving us for Madrid...At that time, we were doing better than Madrid so I was painful to see him leave...

Also, I have a thing for players who are good in tight spaces...Ronaldo sacrificed his footballing skills for goals...Ronaldo at Sporting and Man Utd was awesome for me...It's the reason I love Messi and Lima Ronaldo, goals plus beautiful football...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:12am On Feb 28, 2021
afrodoc2:
Fair enough. We have to put some respek on that short Argie's name sha.
In my opinion, Messi is the greatest closely followed by Maradona, Lima Ronaldo, Zidane and the likes of Iniesta...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:09am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
Thank you have made it clear now. KDB is nowhere near Bruno in terms of AM. The numbers are too overwhelming. This season at city Gundogan is the CM anyway, KDB is the attcking midfielder he is not up to scratch.
You are only saying this because away from scoring and assisting, Pep's system demands more from KDB...If KDB and Bruno swapped teams, I am certain Bruno won't score or assist more...

For emphasis, check Bruno stats when he plays for Portugal...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:06am On Feb 28, 2021
afrodoc2:
Now this is blasphemy. I can name 10 midfielders better than KDB without stress. If push comes to shove and you vex me i might name 20.
Presently? You must have mistaken my post...I am not talking about the history of the beautiful game...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:04am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
Since Messi burst out of the scene, he has consistently been among the goals and assists, carrying Barca to victories, scoring important goals, leading the team and urging them on, even when they change to below par managers. For more than a decade now messi has been consistent. What exactly has KDB done? City has won the EPL twice since he came, in one of them he was injured 3/4 of tge season while Aguero, Kompany, Fernandinho, D.Silva went about destroying teams, same thing this season, United were ahead of City when KDB got injured, he returned with his team 10 points ahead, thanks to Dias, Stone and Gundogan and tactical masterclass of Pep. Since 2015 that KDB joined city the following teams have eliminated City from UCL while parading a 1billion pound team, Monaco, Spurs, upcoming Liverpool that finished 4th and Lyon. In the national team he was there while WALES eliminated tgem from Euro 2016, the Semi finals that the reached in the last World Cup has everything to with the enterprise of Hazard and scoring strenght of Lukaku while your KDB goes missing.

DONT YOU EVER EQUATE KDB WITH MESSI. Messi has evidence, Stats, trophies, leadership skills and everything to show his ingenuity, where is KDB'S evidence? Until you come up with any matching evidence Bruno is a notch better than KDB
Stats killed the beautiful game...Iniesta will look way below average if we look at his Stat...Zidane too...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:01am On Feb 28, 2021
afrodoc2:
Bruno has been better this season but overall KDB just about edges it for me. KDB appears to have declined this season while Bruno keeps getting better. Last season i would have said KDB easily but as this season has progressed Bruno has closed the gap.

Not everything is black and white and i won't quarrel with anyone who chooses either of them. They are both good but with slightly different styles.
Bruno is all about stats but for me, it goes a little beyond the goals and assists...KDB gives you more balance in your set up but for the sake of peace, I no want drag the matter further...

They're both good, picking one over the other is based on preference and your footballing ideology...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:58am On Feb 28, 2021
Jodera:
Lol... This wan fit bring another
agenda argument entirely.
But without been sentimental, kdb is better than Bruno, but seeing some people for here who ready to bring out talks to prove otherwise, and I never get time for back and forth, na why I let am slide
Stats has killed the beautiful game...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:45am On Feb 28, 2021
afrodoc2:
How far? Do you still think Gio Reyna is head and shoulders above Sancho?
Afrodoc, what's your take on this matter? Bruno vs KDB...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:43am On Feb 28, 2021
Just because Bruno is our player, I wouldn't want to drag this talk further...If we depend on stats alone, Iniesta wouldn't be so highly rated, Zidane too...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:41am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
Big fat lie oga Patrick. On what metric particularly? How is KDB better? You guys just make blanket statement without backing it up with any illustrations or stats. Just joining the regurgitations from rival haters and trolls because it looks fanciful.

On what bases, facts, metric, stats or evidence is KDB better than Bruno?
Stats can be deceiving and you know it but if you want to base your argument on stats, then feel free...We will all be here when the table turns someday...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:20am On Feb 28, 2021
Android17:
Yes KDB has 19 goal contributions in 26 appearances and Bruno has 35 in 38 appearances. What you wrote before implied that KDB had 14 while Bruno had 34, so I corrected you. I don't do whataboutisms with regards to who plays with better players because we already have a consensus on the better manager. Meanwhile, KDB had 19 assists in one season playing for Wolfsburg so he has done it with "inferior" players as well. City create and miss more chances than United and yes, given the number of appearances made, KDB has created more chances/big chances than Bruno. Bruno is better at scoring goals and he can make very good assists as well playing as an AM and fewer times a right midfielder. However, KDB plays more as a CM and fewer times an AM. He can make plays from deep, left, right, control the pace of a game and has far better vision than any other player not named Messi.
Spot one...Any other player not named Messi...

KDB is the midfield version of Messi, he does what you expect of him...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:15am On Feb 28, 2021
CapitalCee:
So in other words he has KDB has 19 goal contribution this season with 1 open play goal all season. While Bruno 35 goals contribution. KDB assist most are even a testament of the system he plays in and how good his team mates are.

Stop behaving as if Bruno started dropping his astronomical numbers just this season. Right from his time at sporting his G/A numbers is what KDB wil ever dream of. He immediately came into the league and hit the ground running, no player has contributed more than him in terms of goals contributions since he came.

Since he came to United he has been better than your KDB in terms of Chances Created and Goals/Assists so what do you want him to do? If KDB has Rashford, Martial and James as his forward men his Assist number will clearly diminish, For the past 3 seasons or so that Bruno burst into the scene he has produced better performances than KDB despite playing in more inferior teams.

Let me ask you this question, WHAT METRIC AS A MIDFIELDER IS KDB better than Bruno?
KDB is better than Bruno...Die this matter.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:10am On Feb 28, 2021
SyIvalord:
So after all the hype about Lingard since he went to Westham, I decided to watch him play against city today and I saw the same player we have always known at Manchester United. All running, no sense. Lingard would carry the ball from westham’s half to the city half and proceed to overhit a simple pass. Just goes to show that when you score a goal, people tend to forget all your rubbish play.
If not for Diop, the match should have ended 2 vs 2 with Lingard providing both assist...I am not sure you watched the whole game...

Lingard is trash IMHO but he has been their best player since he joined them.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:10pm On Feb 21, 2021
BARAJ92:
Really, Clap for yourself.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:49pm On Feb 21, 2021
BARAJ92:
Can this team cope with injury to Bruno, Rashford, Maguire and Lindelof.
Lindelof? Maguire? From Rio and Vidic, see where we landed...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:47pm On Feb 21, 2021
CapitalCee:
Stop taking the lunatic seriuos. He must be battling a mental issue
I don't just like the guy for anything...

How do you watch this team every now and then and think Bruno is the problem...He doesn't even like Rashford...

He is most definitely a troll...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:44pm On Feb 21, 2021
Ole should be more daring against teams like Newcastle...A midfield of Matic, Bruno and Mata would have been better...

If we can't keep clean sheets, we should be blowing teams like Newcastle away easily...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:33pm On Feb 21, 2021
Trevor012:
Capitalcee please patrickmuf is bored. Come and drop another post on how clueless Ole is for him to asslick. The only job he is good at is asslicking.
You need help...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:44pm On Feb 21, 2021
Joezinho:
That thing is a not normal. Hating your club's best player is abnormal..
I wonder what it watches...That thing should be destroyed...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by patrickmuf(m): 9:41pm On Feb 21, 2021
raumdeuter:
So we don't forget

PSG 1 Man utd 3 with Thiago Silva

Man Utd 1 PSG 3 without Thiago Silva

Barcelona 6 PSG 1 with Thiago Silva

Barcelona 1 PSG 4 without Thiago Silva
Isn't he the same Thiago Silva you praise in a bid to maligne Luiz for his role in Germany's demolition of Brazil? What has changed?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:36pm On Feb 21, 2021
Joezinho:
Bruno fernandes 15 goals, 10 assists is now the third player within Europe's top five leagues this season to reach double figures for both goals and assists in league matches.


Roll in the mud you dumb nitwit!!
That thing should be wiped off the surface of the earth...

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