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handelex:
Lol, for example Tottenham this season.

Madrid like to play on the counter against Barca, does that make Madrid inferior to Barca.

France won the world cup playing on the counter, guess they are inferior too.

Madrid used to be inferior to Barca and Barca have Messi, one player that is sure going to keep at least 3 players of the opposition busy...You have no option but to take that into consideration lest you'd be destroyed...

France were not all counter attack, their coach choosed a balanced approach...

KingAlabi:
I like what you did here now.
Using the possession effectively like those teams, but saying our possession is just lindelof and Maguire playing one touch, e for choke oh.

Check the position City CBs occupy in majority of their games, check the position of their fullbacks and where their central midfielders operate from and you'd understand why I said Maguire and Lindelof will exchange passes a million times...I'd like to see a percentage of our possession represented across the pitch (defense, midfield and attack) and compare it with that of other top teams we are chasing...

KingAlabi:
What is counter attacking?

You seem to think of counter attacking as only when a team sits deep and try to get a quick goal after the opposition has lost the ball quickly.

Counter attacking is fast attacking, when a possession is lost in my half, I can execute it against small teams too!!!

So, what is our style of play?

handelex:
Oue Europa league win against Ajax, maybe we were the inferior team going by Mourinho's approach to that game.

That's cowardly football, it can win you a clue of games and even trophy to go with it but it is not sustainable no in this period when high pressing, movement and passing is the order of the day...

KingAlabi:
Patrick
Don't go down this path now, e go choke you oh.

Baba we are not effective in possession...Passing the ball in areas where you aren't under any pressure because you are of no threat to the opposition should not be compared to what teams who are effective in possession does...

City, Bayern, Liverpool, PSG etc are teams who are adept at using their possession of the ball effectively...Do we compare to those teams?

handelex:
Nawa oo, that's not true Patrick. A team utilizes a taktics that best suits the ability of the players within their ranks.

Playing on the counter does not make a team inferior lol.

Which top team sets up to counter attack when playing against lower ranked teams?

It's the reported side effects that's making them not to hoard it...

Possession in what area of the pitch?

Maguire and Lindelof will exchange passes 1 million times at the back.

Jodera:
What style of play did Leicester play in their title winning run in 2016 please?

Leicester were underdogs so could comfortably adopt a style of play hinged on quick breaks using the pace of Vardy...There we able to win games by using a combination of methods, whilst Vardy's space was a weapon when they defended deep against top teams, Mahrez came to the fore most times when they were up against teams that sit back...

There’s a game they beat Chelsea and Mourinho was mad because he said he had taken note of the move and prepared his defenders to stop the move. Mahrez was the one that should cutting in from the right...So as much as one will want to say Leicester adopted a cou tee attacking approach, they could actually play and had some really quality players...Watching them, you could see them execute so many training ground moves to perfection...

When you watch Manchester United, do you notice any passage of play or movement that reflects the quality of players we have? As a rival fan, be sincere even though I know deep down you rather Ole continues here...

Jodera:
Hmmm... Reading that, anybody will think you're talking about their managerial career.
To my understanding

1... You started about ole being out of his depth (managerial context)

2.. Lampard did more for Chelsea. wen he was heading to the rock, he was relieved of his duty.(the bolded statement is truly managerial context)

3... People won't stop defending ole cos he's a legend(still managerial context)

Looking at that, with the way you started about their managerial career comparison, and ended with it, you won't blame anyone for thinking you were referring to their managerial careers and not playing career.
Even me, I thought you were talking about their managerial career too.
It would be hard for someone to think you were talking about their playing career wen you didn't even mention it in any of the statement

Even when I went ahead to state that there's a difference between Ole as a player and a manager? Well, Alabi asked for clarification and got it...

TrebleChamp:
Na the throw insult part i stated be dis, but i will ignore the bolded. Pls tell me how many United games you have seen that the team played the so called counter attack footy effectively? A team that cannot play from the back effectively or even string passes together, a team that is dishing us rubbish, drab, liveless, taktikless footy every matchday. Did you see the so called counter attack style against Leicester City yesterday?

Counter attack is what every team that is inferior resort to in a tie, there's little or no ingenuity on the part of the manager...

You don't expect West Ham to play an open game vs City, they'll sit back and look to hit City on the break. Should we now start praising Moyes for doing anything special should they manage a win playing that kind of football? If yes, what then happens when they're up against Newcastle who will sit back too?

It's laughable to come here and say our style of play is counter attacking...

handelex:
You weren't mistaken, he was just trying to play a fast one. The discuss was never about their playing careers.

You were not even part of the discussion. I was replying to CapitalCee, you can go a couple of pages back. Them no dey win medal for winning online debate so I have no reason to lie...

patrickmuf:
Some folks are just slow, you spend time in someone's post history lifting his previous takes on issues without proper reference to the co text for which he held such position just in a bid to win an argument...SMH!

As for Ole, he is definitely out of his depths...Lampard did more for Chelsea but when it was obvious he was headed for the rocks, he was quickly relieved of his duty but here, people won't stop defending Ole because he is a club legend...There's Ole 'the baby faced Assasin' and Ole, the manager, his fan boys should know those of us criticizing him still adore him as a legend but as manager, he is simply clueless...

Handelex, I am responsible for what I post and not what you understand...From the bolded, you can see that I was on about their playing careers. The both are legends in their respective clubs but one legend was fired when it was obvious he had lost it but the other is still manager of his club...At least Alabi asked for clarity which is what you should have done and not jump into conclusion...

If you want us to debate their managerial performance, I am up for it...

KingAlabi:
Were you on about lampard as a player or manager?.

If as player, then I am sorry, I misunderstood you.

I was referring to their respective playing careers...

KingAlabi:
Patrickmuf, I am still waiting, how did lampard do more than ole at Chelsea?

Don't tell me you are just all vibes with no intent.

In their respective careers as footballers, Lampard did more for Chelsea than Ole for Manchester United but Chelsea didn't hesitate to fire him as manager when things didn't work out...If you expect me to lay it bare for you to see Lampard's influence at Chelsea, I'm sorry I won't...

Oasis007:
Some are better ignored Bro. You ignore just not only them, also their Posts. Really can't believe you answer that question.

I will ignore going forward...

Some clowns will log in with their alternate and quote me knowing too well I wouldn't respond to their recognized moniker...

You watch Manchester City, Liverpool, Leeds United, Brighton etc yet you are asking me to mention teams with a distinct style of play...

Bombblacks:
What is a pattern of play? Explain and then highlights two clubs and their pattern of plays. Thank you in advance.

Registered February 22, 2021...What's your recognized moniker here? I want to be sure if it's really worth it...

KingAlabi:
@bolded

Bias
Complete bias

Like larr.ide asked you, do you just throw words around? What is biased about that take?

KingAlabi:
I made sure to highlight the part of the post that took my interest.

Didn't you notice that?

Well, since you didn't read the second paragraph, I admitted that the team that was out on the field of play was good enough to win yesterday...

CapitalCee:
Dont mind them. They just go somewhere and mindlessly lift a comment in isolation for banter. Honestly I thought Alabi has at least a decent understanding until this morning.
For example, I once made a statement about me not " Maybe" noticing what Kroos does in the teams he played, i even said he could be very good, just that i did not notice, one brain dead urchin went and lift it to mean i said Kroos is a poor player.

For Alabi and his olesexual crew members, Ole must have 22 world class players to win a decent match. Fergie won things with players like Gibson, Cleverly, Richardson, Buttner etc activley being involved at the thick of things. Arsenal invincibles had Jeffers, Aladiere, Cygan etc

Some folks are just slow, you spend time in someone's post history lifting his previous takes on issues without proper reference to the co text for which he held such position just in a bid to win an argument...SMH!

As for Ole, he is definitely out of his depths...Lampard did more for Chelsea but when it was obvious he was headed for the rocks, he was quickly relieved of his duty but here, people won't stop defending Ole because he is a club legend...There's Ole 'the baby faced Assasin' and Ole, the manager, his fan boys should know those of us criticizing him still adore him as a legend but as manager, he is simply clueless...

KingAlabi:
I had this view, but fellas here, even most of your fellow oleouters, said he should rotate.

Well ole is very stvpid for rotating.

Did you read the second paragraph of the post you quoted?

KingAlabi:
I said personally I don't want lingard back, I didn't say he won't come back and prove doubters like me wrong, or did I?

You gave an instance of fa cup squad that played arsenal, Ole isn't a good enough manager for United, I have said this many times na, on that fa cup squad, should I drop the one he used to beat PSG in Paris?.

Drop the one he used to win spoon at United...Abi you sef think say trophy dey mask progress?

Ole is a conman, he picks his words carefully targeting gullible fans...

There's an international break coming up yet Ole decided to rest players, for what reason exactly?

This is me not wanting to talk about how we should be winning that game even with the players that took to the field of play...I keep asking, what pattern of football do we play? It's been 2 years now but we still don't have a distinct pattern of play...

I wouldn't mind if Ole was unearthing gems whilst struggling to win a trophy but no, even Greenwood seems not to be improving at the rate we expected...

KingAlabi:
Banters aside, I don't want lingard back, he can go ahead and win the UCL at westham, I don't care.

Advice bro, try dey on one course, I won't be surprised if in the nearest future you say Bruno is useless.

Na why most folks no dey like drop their opinions here for fear that it will be dug out...I am certain if you dig deeper, you'd have found people who had a go at Rooney after a bad game but does it really mean he was a bad player? He'll no!

You guys just cling on to anything in a bid to win an argument...I am not a fan of Lingard but you have to admit he is an option as a squad player just the same way we had the likes of Oshea, Brown and others when Fergie was here...

There’s a match against Arsenal that we won 2 vs 0, I think it was an FA Cup game, go and look at the starting elven again and you'll understand what it really means to have a competent manager...

Oasis007:
Some of us are blaming Fred..... LOL! Did he just put on Boots and walked on the Pitch? If you OleInners see him as a useless player, how on Earth OGS is so blind to see same?

If only they understand what you're trying to say here...

Illimitable:
It’s the manager.

Jose won 3 trophies with the inferior version of this team in 16/17.

There’s no way any sensible manager would choose a B-team for a game against a top 4 side in the PL.

Next week is internationals - what was Ole preserving the players for? So they can play for their countries?

This is what's making me angry...

Leyqute, you sef think am, is Ole alright?

Jodera:
Sometimes ehn, I no even know una argument for this thread sef. Una dey say same thing but just no wan meet for "agreement zone"

Both parties believe Ole isnt good. But while oleouters don't want to see any positives in ole management, oleiners are seeing some even tho they(oleiners) agree Ole dey bleep up.

Oleouters want ole sacked immediately cos they believe he's a failure, while oleinners want ole to see out the season then his contract not renewed since this is his last season. It's no justification sacking someone 2nd on the log and still in contention for 2 trophies.

While both agree that ole doesn't use his squad well, oleouters believe the squad is man city levels, while oleinners see the squad as good enough for top 4.

From what I understand, the oleouters are the aggressive type who don't want to see any good from ole no matter what and thus he should be sacked. The oleinners are the conservative type who just lower their expectations with respect to their squad, and just hope that the season ends well with at least a trophy then Ole can geddifok .

Oleouters = Aggressive, high expectation and non-understanding

Oleinners = Tolerant, conservative and Understanding.

Similarities between both = Ole gediffok

Well... I rest my case

What you described is more of the fencist...

Ole fan boys think the players are rubbish yet want to praise the manager for being second on the log without giving due credence to the players...

Oleout crew believe the players are good enough and credit the players for our position on the table and not Ole but tbvh, no matter what we might say, if we finish second and win a trophy, Ole must have done something right alongside the players...

The fencist have presented the best argument thus far but I don't just like Ole, he has broken my heart one too many times...

handelex:
Na Sunday morning be this nau, at least wait till noon before the war go start again..

Hehehe I enjoyed reading through the bants...

The attack and counter attack...

If we don't win the UEL, expect Ole fan boys to big up Ajax, Arsenal, Roma and Villarreal like they're Bayern, Madrid, PSG and Liverpool...There's always an excuse.

I just dey happy as my crew members represent us well...#OleOut

Every player in Manchester City is now a quality player but they won't admit the role Pep is playing...

KingAlabi:
Good news or bad news

It shows he has got big ambitions...Are you sure Ole has not been lying about his fitness?

I like players who don't settle for less...If Rooney had the drive, he'd have been on oar with CR7 and Messi but he slowed down at some point...Rooney at 18yrs was better than Ronaldo...