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larride:
Chelsea were doing community defending yesterday, I’m sure you are not blind to that fact.

I won’t even bother with the rest of your post, as if Martial and Mata hasn’t play in any of those matches we have lost in the past. You just want to look for a way to put yesterday loss on Mou, you don’t like him, it’s fine. Everyone to his opinion.

Community defending? yes...
And yet we had our players who are good in tight spaces on the bench...

SIRcumalot:
Hazard took Herrera to that position since it was the latter duty to shadow eden. We lost a lot ground for that midfield as a result but our midfield trio were still alright,even lingard played on rashford for a very decent shot at goal right before he was subbed off.
For me,the front three and lack of any offensive threat from our wingback cost us this game.
Am not yet fully on board the Sanchez ship yet,Because he makes up for his brainless plays with hustle people seem to let him off lightly.

Why didn't we see Kante following Sanchez to the RB position?
Why was Rashford always attacking from the wings when he was supposed to be our CF? Even if the idea was for him to run into channels, he should have been make those runs to the left where he is a lot more dangerous and a little bit infield and not out on the wings leaving the CBs completely free of any pressure...
I am putting in the blame on Mourinho cos this are simple errors from the players or the tactical set up, after seeing the first 25 - 30 minutes, a proactive coach would have; cautioned Rashford to stay central and put more pressure on Cahill and Rudiger.
Sent Herrera back to middle to form a pivot with Matic or free Matic to join the the attack sparingly and have Valencia back at RB since he wasn't contributing anything to the attack, shunt out Lingard to the right and have Pogba play as the AM to help living k our middle with attack...
Mourinho left it too late to make changes and alterations to the tactics and it cost us.

larride:
Of course when our players play shit, they are playing to the coach instruction. Conte plan yesterday was sit deep and hit us on the counter, he clogged the midfield with enough bodies to achieve that, we were only able to control the game because we have enough bodies in the midfield to match theirs. That our attackers yesterday play as if they don’t have anything at stake. How could Mou instruct Rashford to play through the right when he was the CF or you didn’t notice there was no one to trouble their CB because the idiot is always shunting himself to the Right so he can run (that’s the only thing he knows how to do).

The chance that Rashford wasted straight at Courtois was played on by Herrera but the idiot just couldn’t do anything meaningful. Maybe you are forgetting we were playing Chelsea and they have players to hurt us on counter which was evident to everyone.

A game we had 66% possession, 18 attempts on goals as against Chelsea 6, a game we control from start to finish, yes we lost but that’s part of the game, at the end of the day there’s going to be one winner. If negativity was what you saw from your coach yesterday, I don’t think you can ever see anything else in him.

Your last paragraph was funny. We were lucky The hate on Mou is real....

18 attempts? How many were clear cut chances compared to the one Alonso missed or the penalty that wasn't called for Young's handball?
If Rashford was constantly drifting to the right as we noticed, when didn't Mourinho reign on him to stay central or take him off earlier? He didn't hence my assertion that it was his game plan.
And talking about hurting us on the counter, Chelsea have only Hazard and Kante blessed with pace to trouble us, I'd add Moses but he is brainless so why exactly were we scared of being caught on the counter? It's not like Willian, Pedro and Morata started the game where your assertion would have been valid.
The possession and shot stats might blind you to the fact that Herrera was used as a fullback covering not for a full back the quality of Marcelo but the brainless Valencia...I'd rather have Herrera free to play his game than have him sacrificed for the ineffective Valencia.
Lingard was none existent either barring that pass he threaded through to Rashford, Martial would've done better if he was on the pitch for that long.
Immediately he entered, he was constantly double teamed and that alone created space for others. It's only Mourinho that will have players like Martial and Mata on the bench and start Lingard and Rashford...

larride:
You just wan bash Mou by force joor. What’s the negativity yesterday? A game we controlled from the beginning to the end? Rashford that was supposed to be the CF but keeps running to the wing so he can do his temple run?

I was angry seeing Mou starting Rashford as CF, that’s the only thing I have against him yesterday but anything apart from that, it’s a game of football, we win some and lose some. Let the players like Jones and Rashford own their shit because they cost us the game.

Please tell me why Herrera was stationed at RB almost always, we saw Kante doing his thing in the middle along with Fabregas and Bakayoko but our Coach out of fear choosed to completely neutralize Herrera's attacking game just to keep Hazard quiet...
As for Rashford, don't you think he was playing to instruction? I think Mou wanted Rashford to attack from that side to keep Alonso on high alert thereby stopping his forays forward if not why did Mou not caution him but instead left him on the pitch for more than an hour.
We really were lucky cos Young intentionally handled the ball and Alonso didn't Bury the chance that fell his way.

sinizia:
This is another option he'd have explored if he didn't want to remove Hererra. Using Hererra the way he used him yesterday despite the number of bodies Chelshit have in their final third left us disadvantaged in attack. like[b] I opined earlier when nobody supported me[/b], we needed more bodies forward. Hererra wasn't needed at all, but Mourinho failed to get it. It's all water under the bridge. Looking forward to the World Cup.

People argued out this point? I didn't bother to read cos of the trolls that littered the thread.

sinizia:
From Goal.com


Just like I opined yesterday, our right wing was ineffective. Since Shellshit came to park the bus, change the status quo and remove the extra DM and add more to the attack. Herrera didn't play bad at all, but he was no longer needed once it dawned on us that Shellshit were out to defend alone.

After the match Mourinho complained about the number of defenders Chelsea had in their defence, and I'm like so you were knowledgeable about it and yet left the formation the exact same way it was. He saw the strategy of Conte yet did nothing about it. A wise coach supposed to have added another body to our attack and taken some risks. Removing Jones for Mata was a risk taken too little too late. Don't even know he chose to make that move with the match practically over. Hopefully he learns this lesson in case of next time, which I very much doubt.

Even if he felt it was too early to make substitution, he should have simply instructed Herrera to play alongside Matic and not as an auxiliary RB and pushed Pogba behind Rashford with Lingard shunted out to the right...
I am convinced Mourinho has lost it, he used to be very proactive back in the days but now, he is very reactive.

Mourinho cost us the game yesterday with his negativity, why on earth was Herrera deployed as a RB when Valencia wasn't doing anything of note going forward?
Mourinho is past it, I could see that Valencia was clueless going forward and yet Herrera was still ordered to play to instruction rather than bring Valencia back and let the more creative Herrera join the attack...
Lingard offers nothing, forgive me, I need for than just headless runs from my AM, he should be effortlessly linking midfield and attack but he doesn't do enough.
And Rashford was poor but then it's because he was shunted out to the RWF role, if Mourinho has any iota of sense, he'd have played Rashford from the left or let him roam towards the left where he is dangerous and play Martial as CF, at least Martial retains possession better.
We need a new coach cos Mourinho just doesn't inspire any confidence.

Dreamswayne:
LB??

no, no, no.... give kolasinac a chance....

we still have 2 seasons outta monreal....

If you guys want to progress, you need someone who is fitter manning that position.

funlord:
Some of them think just because you play for united and the talents of others tend to over shadow your gaffes you should be rated? Chris smalling is a terrible defender that has cost us point after point through out his united career! He is slow and ponderous and the injuries to Bailly Rojo and jones made his inclusion necessary in many games this season! If he is so rated by the coaching staff based on his skill etc....then why is mourinho approaching defenders all over europe like a _horny rich man approaches babe's in a club by 3am? He and the club are intent on not having smalling as a partner for Bailly next season...simple!

Exactly, and for us to face the very best and stand a chance, we need a whole lot of upgrade and starting with Smalling...
Sometimes I find myself believing that his name might just be a problem spiritually...lol

Oasis007:


I'm an ardent Follower of the Thread, but always being cautious of my Post(s).

Hehehe I go there every now and then...
You see them dropping names of Nigerian footballers plying their trade in the nooks and crannies of the earth.
Worse off, for them Iheanacho is on par with Aguero, it's only Messi they've any iota of respect for. Crazy guys you have there.

GloryIsaac:
We're making it to the QF this time around.

Good enough, we know Argentina like blood brothers so something positive should come out from that match.

As for Iceland, we'll melt them without blinking.

Croatia is my only worry, let's see what happens.. Moses might just do something exceptional.

We will lose to Argentina ��, don't be deceived by that friendly win, at the Mundial, we'll get roasted.
We can't beat Iceland bro, I was even generous with the prediction that we will get a point off that encounter but to be honest, we will likely comeback with nothing to show for our presence in Russia, may the vouchers will be all we bring back.

Oasis007:


LMAO!

Pls if you really love your Head, and you don't want it to end up on a Spike, don't say this on the Super Eagles Thread.

Hehehe those guys over there have taken patriotic to new heights, they're fanatics...

Oasis007:


Why?!

Common...... let's support our own Brah! They ain't gonna disappoint us this time around.

In fact I foresee them making History in Russia.

#NaijaTakeover

No be only history, you add CRK.
We will loss to Argentina, Lose to Croatia and draw with Iceland, a hard fought point...

The dignitaries for today's occasion especially those from Manchester will sit by the right, the locals, Shekpiscos will sit behind, the visitor from Spain and Germany will occupy the middle row while the DJ and his crew will be by the left...
Let's make the upcoming occasion the best one yet...

Skimpledawg:
Pato, this sums up your love life?

Lol with the super eagles, yes...

Oasis007:


Bro, I ain't saying Deschamps his absolutely fair with the List, but it happens to almost all the National Teams Coaches.

For instance, let's take Rohr as an Instance, how can he rely on Uzoho, Ezenwa and Akpere as our Keepers for the Mundial?! What happens to Aiyenugba and Ejide?!

Martial is far talented than Thauvin, but Deschamps has his Reasons for picking Thauvin ahead of him.

Well..... I'm less concerned with whatever happens to the French NT, cos I'm gonna be 100% loyal to the Super Eagles.

#SoarEagles
#NaijaTakeover

I care less about the Super eagles, whenever I seem to care enough, they disappoint so may, just maybe we are not made for each other.

ybalogs:
I believe Bellerin will come good. He was phenomenal last season but really dipped this season until the latter part. Kolasinac is too one legged and error prone to still dorn our shirt .Mailand should be used more often. We still need Ramsey obviously and I don't think he has a choice but to sign for us again. Xhaka is not a proper DM and I'd prefer a Kantesque type and ditch Xhaka. Our defence line needs total overhauling with the exception of Bellerin and probably chambers cos of their age. All in all we need to spend big on right players to be able to compete again.

Spot on, Arsenal needs 2 CBs, 1 LB, I DM and 1 natural winger.

sinizia:
Deschamps was highly biased in his selection. Despite the squad depth of France, he got many selections wrong.

Very true, Rabiot should make the team ahead of Blaise Matuidi and Tolisso...
Benjamin Mendy shouldn't be in the team.
Martial ahead of Thuavin and Lemar.

Ibime:
In the absence of Payet, Lemar is the only set piece specialist left and I will find a way to play him in the 1st 11 by force.

I only see 2 strikers in the squad and cannot understand why Martial has not been taken as the 3rd striker/back-up winger.

I don't understand Thauvins inclusion at all.

That may be Deschamps showing his Marseille bias.

With Giroud, Varane and Umtiti, Pogba might be free to take the set pieces.

Oasis007:


Every Coach does have their Reason(s) for selecting or dropping certain Players. You referenced to a Reason cited by Southgate for dropping Smalling, but you don't wanna admit Deschamps is right for dropping Martial based on the Reason he also gave?! Lol!

Oga..... Smalling is better than Maguire, and England ain't Spain coz they don't play tika tika Footie. They don't need Defenders who can play with Ball rather Defenders who can clear the Ball.

Smalling isn't technically better than Maguire with the ball at his fit, fact...
Martial can't play other positions, not true, he can play LWF, SS and CF...This is my argument.

To your second d point, Walker, Stones, Delph and Sterling play for City who are renowned for keeping the ball.
Rose, Alli, Trippier, Dier and Kane play for Spurs who are good at keeping possession.
Henderson, Arnold play for Pool who are also good with the ball.
Maguire was first spotted at Hull City for his ability to play from the back and I think Nihilstjnr was one of the first guys who noticed him and didn't hide his desire to see him at Chelsea.
Cahill is technically very good with the ball.
Jones is equally good with the ball.
The generation of English players you are referring to are long gone, England are slowly but surely adopting a new approach.

Nihilstjnr:
even that offense yarns is a mythical scam

Smalling 4 league goals

Maguire 2 league goals...and 4 assists

Offense is not just about being a tall nepa pole for a set piece specialist to aim at during corners or freekicks.

A centre back who has 4 assists tells you a lot about what he can do with the ball at his feet.

Thank you for the stat bro. Smalling is bang average.

SailorXY:
Maguire ko Muri Okunola ni.
All these guys are mediocre. The only person with enough potential to become even half the player Rio Ferdinand was is Jones, but too much power no let that one get sense.

Smalling is better than Maguire both defensively & offensively, irrespective of all other unpleasant attributes he may possess in between.

Please don't forget to consider the reason Southgate gave for his selection, he has always opined that he prefers defenders who are comfortable with the ball at their feet and you can't deny that's not a strong point for Smalling. Now talking about defending in general, Smalling is a bad defender with good recovery due to his physique and pace...Most times you see him making those sliding tackles is due to the fact that his poor positioning has given the striker the advantage.
Talking about offense, yes he scores more but scoring isn't all about offense, that's why Pep is very particular of the kind of defenders he wants at his disposal, ability to comfortably play from the back is a big component of the greater attacking play.

SIRcumalot:
Maigure is just a fat fork.
Am not impressed.
No way that dude is better than smalling.

He is better with the ball at his feet, no?
Football is not all about brawls nowadays, a bit of brain is required and that bit is you asking for the impossible from Smalling...

sinizia:
Save injuries, Jones and Bailly would've been our starting CBs. Smalling benefited from injury to both players. Smalling is very technically limited. Defense these days is not all about aggression. A bit of intelligence is needed.

Spot on. I remember when Dopejemi and I were discussing about his passing, he always passes the ball behind instead of in front of his team mate, that's high level technical deficiency

weedtaker:
and you believed that? You really no sabi ur manager..

he's not playing for a big club, cause he's not good enough, Johnny evans dust de idiot left right and center.. meanwhile smalling has been a starter under two defensive minded world class managers in one of the biggest clubs in the world. Next season go reach and nobody go buy migraine, meanwhile smalling will still be a starter for man utd [ though i pray it doesn't come to pass in smallings case ]

As for southgate. Well

The ekpa is going to russia with 6full backs with jake fvcking Livermore on standby list, while shelvey is no where to be found, lol

If your argument was Shelvey or his decision to go with three RBs in Walker, Trippier and Arnold, I'd have no reason to argue otherwise but Smalling? I'd argue in support of Southgate even in my dreams.

Oasis007:


You questioned my Assertion on the multiple Positions the mentioned Players can play, yet you went ahead to list out the multiple Positions they can play, how are my wrong pls?!



I ain't the France NT Manager Brah, but kinda convinced he's right except we wanna over-pamper our beloved Child. He said he has studied and fully analyzed Martial and Laca, both can't offer what Giroud or Griezmann can offer as a Striker, and he's got Players who can play on the either Wings as well, hence he opts to drop Martial for them.



Lemar can play both Wings as well as through the Middle too Brah. Sorry to disappoint you more, even Thauvin and Fekir can play as a CF as well.

Hence Questions are; can Martial play on the either Wings? And how my Assertion is flawed?!

You said Martial's inability to play multiple positions is his undoing and I have pointed out that he can play from the left or upfront as a center forward. Let's not forget that at Old Trafford against spurs, he was deployed behind Lukaku and scored a goal courtesy of one of his runs to meet a Lukaku flick on.
Thuavin can't play CF bro he us just too fragile, Lemar can play either wings or as an AM (3 positions)
Fekir (3 positions as you insinuate)
Bar Mbappe or Dembele when he is on form, none of the other guys picked ahead of Martial can lace his boots.
On that left wing, I will start Mbappe with Martial as my sub and not Lemar...

weedtaker:
maguire better than smalling? Wtf? He's the worst and the most overrated of the bunch. Fvcking wannabe ball playing CB.
And when does been comfortable on the ball makes a better Cb? Ffs smalling is a guaranteed starter under one of the GREATEST defensive manager in world football.

most of them are not even that good on the ball, only stones is light years ahead of smalling in ball playing. Its not like smalling can't pass to his team mates or something..

Smalling starter for where? Mourinho clearly stated he was playing Smalling to help his course with regards to being on the plane to Russia. Bailly was left on the bench just so Smalling can play thus his starting games for us isn't hinged on merit but bias from the manager.
Also, Maguire plays for Leicester and is even noticed even how good he will look if he was at a club as big as ours?

Rabiot is a starter for PSG, he deserved to be called up ahead of Tolisso and Maui did and probably Nzonzi who has been very good for Sevilla.

MRTA7:
This is laughable. he's just another overrated English defender.

Maguire? Have you watched him? He might not be world class but don't jump out of the context, I said when compared to Smalling...
Maguire is better than Smalling.

Smalling played more? Yes...
Best English CB? No...
Maguire is light years ahead of Smalling.
And lest we forget, he was dropped because he is shaky on the ball (Pep philosophy influencing Southgate).
Maguire, Stones, Jones and Cahill are very comfortable on the ball unlike Smalling.

Oasis007:


To be honest, Martial ain't helping himself either. Deschamps made it clear he picks Dembele, Fekir, Thauvin and Mbappe ahead of him because they can play multiple Positions.

Martial should develop his Skills, he shouldn't limit himself to a left Winger. He should be able to play multiple Positions like Mbappe. Even Nani was a Joy to watch on either Wings. Martial is talented, but kinda lazy to develop himself into a world class Player.

Ronaldo wasn't made by any Manager, he made himself what he is Today with dedication, commitment and enthusiasm for the Game. Martial can learn from Ronaldo, makes him is Mentor and moulds himself to become another Ronaldo for United.

What multiple position can Dembele, Lemar and Fekir play?
Who played as CF most times when LVG coached Manchester United? Martial...
So,if you want to talk multiple positions, Martial can play LWF and CF...
Dembele can only play LWF or RWF
Lemar is more a LW not seen him play from the right.
Fekir plays in the hole or RWF
Thuavin plays either wing.
Only Mbappe can play LWF, CF and RWF and deliver...
So your assertion is wrong...

raumdeuter:
Nzonzi has had a good season while Rabiot because of his contract issue with PSG chopped bench in some games

Talk about Tolisso