₦airaland Forum

intruxive:
See wetin una cause unasef
Kanu has forever endangered the accommodating atmosphere igbos enjoy in the north, sad

Who called you for pity ? Save yourself your pity.

cumbak60:
IPOB cannot reason without insult. I have been a passive supporter of your movement, but recent events, plus the religious fanaticism displayed by IPOB towards Kanu.... made me recant my position. The Biafran mission is too noble to be left in the hands of lunatics and religious bigots. Bye

I am still waiting for you to tell me one thing our so called elders have done for us as our mouth peice and representatives. Maybe i should even make it harder for you. When and where have they ever voiced out on our behalf prior IPON era ? You can't answer that, now we got people who are saying our minds and you want us to ignore them and focus on voiceless selfish elders.

Just like the way they stopped history in schools. What ever their fears are must surely consume them someday.

azimibraun:
Sights and sound does not exactly translate to wisdom and patience. Elders have the Sabali you don't have. NB: next time it's Wiser and not more Wiser. Just an honest correction for knowledge sake not an insult. Me na young elder.

Thanks.

cumbak60:
Get your emotion in order so that we can converse. All these accusation you are labeling on your elders, do you have an evidence?
Secondly, what an elder sees and decides to hold consultation possess the capacity to burn the hut down. That adage is peculiar to my locality. Gray hair is a sign of age and wisdom. Take note.

There are cases of same old grey men being at home and a goat will deliver tied on a rope.


A child whom has traversed the earth is wiser than an old grey man at a place.

cumbak60:
There he goes again. Start from scratch? The basis of your new nation should not be on extreme dislike for Nigeria. It should be base on well articulated vision backed with practical encompassing ideology.

Nothing good comes easy. If we get Biafra on a platter of gold fine. The economic models you are demanding are not guarantee that things will work as projected otherwise i can draft some on my table and present to you if you so much need it.

realhumanity:
Even if the Nigeria we have now seems not to be working, I will not go for a biafra that will be a retrogressive state. You hinge on central africa when you are not sure of west africa. I do not really understand why people of this age and time will stop being practical and logical in their thinking. You should learn to at least debate constructively with people sitting on the fence rather than insulting them. They may not know what will befall them until they try referendum and see many diasporan igbos coming enmasse to vote to stay in Nigeria.

These guys are very funny, they want osinbajo to skip elders to talk to a man who doesnt hold any cultural or political title to his name? In igbo cultural setting, do you think it right to consult such a person?

My guy, i am not an IPOM member to know their economic plan or way forward but i tell you a Biafra started from scratch is far better than present Nigeria.


If worse comes to worse we will borrow to fund our system,w e habr the resources to secure such loans disregarding grants, aides, funds from Igbos and would be allies all over the world.

cumbak60:
At least they met with the VP..... and our representatives.... Neither you nor IPOB have the result of the meeting, so why jump into conclusion already?
Besides, there is a legitimate ways of deposing a non-performing "head".... Wait until you gain that status.... until then IPOB is not speaking for Igbos, except the brainwashed few.

Alright, you've won. I'll wait to hear the outcome of the meeting including the one that will hold tomorrow but all i'v been hearing ever after the meeting yterday is "preach one Nigeria" " stop hate speech". Nobody has ever raised one's hope with a statement like " all will be pleased hence forth with discussions on ground" and so on.



Does your last statement mean that we should stick with people deceiving us and whom show no care about us just because we elected them ? So we should throw away common sense just because we elected some "infallible" men to represent us ? No my dear, they ain't doing our wish, they ain't representing well, they are not acting in the capacirty we bestowed on them, they have betrayed us a lot, they have sold our pride a lot. Onye Eze rawa nshi, e kpuru nkata na ihu gwa ya okwu - When a king misbehaves much, you tell him your mind in a disguised outfit. Agbara meekaria, e zi ya osisi e jiri pia ya - If an oracle starts misbehaving too, you tell it the wood it came from

realhumanity:
The very educated ones might not want to go with us. Reasons been that they have not communicated the economic blueprint the new country will follow to survive the first 10years. This IPOB is gradually becoming a mixture of ethnic and religious fanatism. Igbos do not bend for no man but seeing them raising a man above God is something I cannot open my eyes and follow.

We do not want the UN or any organization in the southeast because they are not speaking the minds of intellectual Igbo's. You cannot convince me without either cursing me or threatening me. Some say it is heaven on earth. A country of which you have not even generated up to 100billion naira is heaven on earth? How do you take care of over 15million Igbo's who will their jobs, houses, businesses, schools and handwork to come to the east? How do you plan to keep a man idle who is used to seeing 1million naira weekly.

The infighting will be too much and the competition will be too aggressive to be healthy. Without any feasible economic plan, we do not want Biafra.

No, no one has elevated Nnamdi Kanu above God, rather we acknowledge him for being brave enough to do what hypocrites like you won't ever dream of doing.

Did you observe the sports federation election that they just conducted ? Where on earth do they disqualify candidates on the election day morning without prior notice ?


You don't need Biafra but you can't do anything about your situation in Nigeria. Why don't you join IPOB and bring in the knowledge you think they need rather than saying rubbish about people's effort and struggle.


Btw, you can always remain a Nigeria after Easter secession and can even show your loyalty to them by converting to Islam. I guarantee you that they will spare you. Thank me for this info.

cumbak60:
Have you heard the outcome of the meeting before you start drawing parallel line. IPOB don't have respect for our elders and honestly its heart wrenching. Those are our leaders. We elected them and so they do have the right to speak for us, Igbos. Until IPOB gain legitimacy that is when they can speak for Igbos and her members component. IPOBians, please, retrace your steps, You are portraying Igbos on bad light.

Those you elected to speak for you, really ? Mention just one occasion on which "they" that you elected to speak for you spoke in your interest or ever demanded something from the government in your interest. i am not demanding much from you. Just mention one, one only.

chiwetaluAGU:
Ok ... but y'all must avoid violence at all cost

Calling for Referendum is in no way calling for war but one must not rule out the possibility of war as people we are dealing with don't seem to be civilised and of present world.

Good one from IPOB.



They proposed consultation and they are not meeting the people who will tell them the way it is in their minds, rather meeting those whom care less about the public and have eyes on money that will be shared

Nonsense.


Let us keep moving round and round the circle avoiding to tell ourselves the truth to way forward.

chiwetaluAGU:
IPOB is never encyclopedia of wisdom. Infact nobody is. They should tread carefully. Insulting elders ia a no no for me. Nnamdi Kanu walk with wisdom biko.

They made a simple statement. Jow can Governors that kept quiet seeing their subjects murdered here and there now go to Abj to represent them. What exactly are they going to say ? That they feel our pains or that they enjoy the status quo ? Moreover non of them commanded the sit at home that is peppering Nigerians to their bone marrow.



Now imagine, after all the consultation with Northern and Eastern elders and politicians, no solution for way forward is being discussed. All we here is normal threatening of apprehending people who make hate speeches and all that. In other words, there is no need and time to treat the core issue, all they want is to have Igbos accept the present condition, close our lower lip with our upper lip, have Abokis messing around all in the name of one nation, accept the present evil status quo that will rather perish than see developments in the East.

Why not discuss the main point of agitation than just asking people to promote one Nigeria with just mere words. One Nigeria based on a particular regions terms of oneness, is that the one Nugeria they wish us to have ?


When they need one Nigeria truely, they will come to terms to accept they need to make compromises.

nkpommpko:
So what is Biafras exit plan? And how many igbos in nairaland are ready? Do you have any investment in the east? How many here leave in the North and work there? Are there any civil servants here? Who is the President to be? Where is the capital to be? Who decides it? Will you have any more dealings with the rest of Nigeria? Is the South South with you ?(we will need the ports abi?) Air spaces etc. Who has the plan? Is history about to repeat its self? Majority of the agitators never saw the civil war,neither do they have any weapon to fight in case it turns that way.All they have is mouth.Because Mark Zukaberk has made it easy and cheap, ,so any body can hold down the space bar and record all manner of rubbish and upload into the helpless air,,,,,Hmmmm think please, think!

Our exit plan na your father

PHILipu1:
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Mossob and Ipod will fight another war for another 20 years for who will be president of Biafra like South-sudan.
Maybe Kanu and Nwazurike will break biafra into two countries again.


Enugu and Abia state will fight each other for where the Biafra capital will be sited.

You think to form a country is simple as ABCD.
Keep dreaming.

We are not barbaarians like your people. We are way too civilised to descend to that level. If Nigeria has been constituted by just Igbos from the very beginning, there wouldn't have been civil war recorded in our history.


Fact is, as civil and ideal patriotic citizens, we will make compromise where necessary.

chuksanambra:
Which useless bravery? The one that made all Igbo leaders take turns in going to beg Northern leaders?

Nwanne, less than a dozen Northern youths gave an ultimatum and the entire Igboland is in disarray. Imagine going to beg Al Mustapha, Ango Abdullahi and others. No singe Northern leader has apologized, ye our elders have turned the north to Mecca where they go and prostrate to their leaders.

Let us not fool ourselves, they got us by the balls this time. In trying to dribble others, we have dribbled ourselves.

Whatever makes u feel good. Uwazuruike is a nobody in Igbo affairs.they got you and your non Igbo ethnic group by the balls not Igbos. Wait for the elections to come as more packages are in stock for you guys. You will then know that Igbos have taken their resolve on Nigeria. No amount of threat can break that. We've been telling our brothers to relocate b4 this ultimatum, so you should know it is no surprise to us.

Nigeria will be destroyed with the truth and the truth is gradually setting her inhabitants free

shukuokukobambi:
Of course there's no reason for them to panic. I wonder why they were shaking and running

Arewa youths were only poking fun at them the way a master pokes fun at his servants

Thanks for stepping in like a big bro Prof Osinbajo

We are brave and our braveness is shaking the foundations of the zoo with great force. I bet you that they ( Hausa/fulani) are more afraid of their ultimatum than Igbos. What made them give ultimatum ? I tell you that ultimatum was out of fear and frustration.



Please tell us you are the one shaking on that ultimatum and not trying to pass your coward nature to others.

ettybaba:
Thats the irony of the whole stuff.
Ibis should be grateful to the Yorubas buy they are not.
The day if reckoning is coming.

You and OP should listen and listen good. Hausas with their violence know their limit even backed with the nations military.

Hausas regret evee having a set of people like Igbos in Nigeria otherwise they would have conquered everything conquerable.

Yorubas too know that sanity and little ideal way of life in present Nigeria is a finction of Igbo presence.


Without Igbos, Fulani would have had Nigeria in their pockets.


I bet you that yorubas will seek for Igbos help against fulanis annexation of their land from the moment this country is divided.


Just like you said, the day of reckoning id fast approaching.

jpphilips:
I am not sure the Global card IPOB has on the table, except the IPOB leadership are amateurs in global politics.

Most Nigerians don't seem to realise that the fate of Nigeria is not decided in Abuja but Brussels & New York.
Any intelligent person with a cable subscription knows what happens there.
Again, a lot of youths in our generation seem not to understand that direct or indirect battle for oil is a battle of world powers not host countries.

The rift between Nigeria and Biafra has a final bus stop at the UNSC, with members having tremendous interest in Nigeria.
Before we discuss their interest, note that these nations referred here in as the *gods* are pursuing a globalisation agenda believed to be the fulcrum of their Economic and security prosperity.

In this agenda, two blocks exist, the Western and the Eastern block.
Western block consists of US, UK and France with their allies while Eastern block consist of Russia and China with their allies.
While they are the only recognised global security apparatchik, they have competitive foreign policies which makes them competitors in the real sense of it.

These blocks are the same Allied powers that won the 2nd world war so make no mistakes about their capabilities. They struggle daily to extend their various spheres of influence, economically, the western block is winning which gave rise to the use of the USD as the global exchange currency. Also is the Euro which is controlled majorly by France and Germany both allied to the Western block.
It is safe to assume for now, the west is winning the economic battle.

In defence, it is much more complicated, In summary, the Western security alliance is called NATO (I will discuss later) while the Eastern security alliance is called SCO. I will focus on their economic tussle to explain why the Biafra struggle is a waste of time, energy and precious blood!
Like I said previously, you must understand that the battle for a united Nigeria is not a battle between IPOB and machete wielding Almajiri men and women, NO!!
It is a battle between IPOB and the economic interest of the western block, in other words, Nigeria is just a proxy through which that agenda is implemented, watch the silence of Nigeria so far in the face of threats, they are waiting for the gods to speak and the gods must surely speak in the fullness of time.

What is the Western financial interest in Nigeria you may ask?

There are three major parameters to consider;
The first interest which is primarily oil and gas assets which cost billions of dollars if not Trillions of usd and Capital funds in our Financial system.
One may erroneously ask; is it not our resources? The answer is a sad NO
The gods believe that the oil and gas facilities have more value than your oil, they believe without their technology, funds and expertise, you won't even know your oil exist. Anybody, group or country that has challenged this unwritten presumption has met a non negotiable SHAMEFUL DEATH in the last 50yrs.
When the gods say BLOOD MONEY it means the blood of anybody who stand against this strategic interest eg includes facilities that produce oil and gas, extract Uranium, gold, copper, silver, platinum and most recently rare earth metals.
The western block has a security muscle (nicknamed the western agent of death) a synergy of the best militaries in north America, former Ottoman empire and Europe in an alliance called NATO.

The binding force of NATO is Article 5 and I quote



Collective defence means that an attack against one Ally or her interest is considered as an attack against all Allies.*

This is the reason why you see all their companies investing billions of usd in strange countries knowing that NATO *must* protect them.


Some familiar names that dared this alliance in recent times are
President Assad of Syria, Gaddafi of Libya, Saddam of Iraq, Manuel Noriega of Panama, Laurent Gbagbo of Ivory coast and several others.

Every person and so many others not on this list have met death or imprisonment except Assad of Syria protected by the Eastern bloc to counter Qatar's growing gas influence in the South dome.
My question to you igbos is; Who is Nnamdi Kanu to challenge the interest of the gods? when Gaddafi died as commander in chief of the second best Military in Africa at the time?
Who is Kanu when Saddam died as the commander of the second best military in the Gulf region after israel?

What are the other western interests in Nigeria?

Go through our national budget, you will realise that a significant portion is earmarked for debt servicing, have you bothered to find out who we pay those money to? The answer is the Western block except when the loan is taken from the Exim bank of China, then it is split between the two blocks. In the just rounded off 2016 budget we paid them a whooping 2.3T naira and I can assure we will pay higher in 2017.This money must be paid at an agreed date, failure of which will result to down grading ratings and several other punitive actions. This is not only applicable to Nigeria but most African and Asian countries, the situation with the Francophone countries is worse!! So I still consider Nigeria very lucky. Do you now understand why obasanjo did all his best to pay off our Paris club debts understanding its consequence?
That is the sad reality of the country you live in. Your government will never tell you this.


The final interest of the Western block in Nigeria is the USD already adopted as the global exchange currency, President Nixon's administration removed the gold backing from the usd due to its global reach, ever since, the usd is backed by commodities eg oil.
Do you know that once oil price goes up, the USD loses value and vice versa?

Nigeria is a significant producer of crude oil any interruption in Nigeria's oil output will tilt the supply equilibrium with significant price increase that is against the interest of the western block. You know that America still remains the largest importer of crude as such, America pays highest for any marginal increase in crude price. Do you now understand why the US is pumping shale oil to ensure lower crude price? that will strengthen the dollars and save America from debt. Anything that threatens a significant oil producer in the world is a direct threat to the western bloc, that threat must be crushed using whatever means necessary.

That is why on the global stage, Nigeria is called a strategic financial partner of the western block
Do you now understand why Osibanjo attended the last G7 summit when Nigeria is neither a member nor an observer.
This battle is bigger than what igbos think, the gods don't care about your problems with Hausa- Fulani and Yoruba marginalisation, they are focused on their interest alone. Even if it leads to the total destruction of your country/region, they don't care!!

With Donald Trump at the helm of affairs in the US, Rex Tillerson (former Exxon ceo oil mogul) as foreign secretary, Jim mattis (mad dog) as defence secretary (hero of the Brutal battle of Fallujah) and Mc master as the National security adviser.
This is a blood thirsty team rumoured to have killed the most wanted terrorist in the world Abu bakar Al Baghdadi the leader of ISIS within just 4 months of assuming office. This is surely not the best time to go against the US interest trust me on that!!

The Biafran journey leads to one destination from a global point of view and that destination is DEATH. The question for IPOB is; how do you want to die? welcome to Syria you f00ls!!

copied from a whatsapp group!

All your cock and bull story will be answered with just few words.


There is a God greater than your gods in your article.

Brooke60:
Let them goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Simple thing. Let then conduct a referendum for the benefit of doubt, then if the exits have it, we then start parting arrangements. Give us just three years, if Biafrans don't relocate back to East then chase them away if you feel you can't have them no more even as foreigners.



Military and paramilitary alone can accomodate a large number of our youths not to talk about agencies and Ministries that will be established to run the new nation.


So, just tell your leaders that we need due procedd otherwise we burn together. It is a curse being together with you guys, stop making it seem like we are having double ming seceding.

Where id Nnamdu Kanu there ? No Nnamdi Kanu then you have not started.


These Abokis don't need people who will be sounding political correct on issues of great concern. We need Nnamdi Kanu to put these Abokis on their due position on this country. Any outcome of these meetings that will see ud maintain status quo will not work. Shikena.


If oil revenue is Hausa's stake in Nigeria, let then say it then we can decide on how they benefit from the oil proceeds but grant every region autonomy and due respect and we are good as a nation.

EverestdeBliu:
Igbos are the architect of their own misfortune, they should stop wailing already and try to address their cultural issues...The world has moved on.


Hey calm down, I am from the Southeast too, ?

If you are Igbo more or less from South East then the chances of a goat voicing words are there. I mean a goat can assume human nature soon.

Imagine a governor !

DrObum:
Oga tone the sentiments down.

I'm from Anambra, nwa afor Njikoka for that matter ooo and it doesn't take anything away from me to say the truth.

EEDC is not doing well! Even the blind knows this. That license should be revoked from Emeka Offor and given to a saner Igbo investor.
It's good that Enugu State government is already making practical steps to pay their debt. If they were out to frustrate him like you allege, they won't pay and he can't really do anything about it.

The same Emeka Offor collaborated with Mbadinuju to run Anambra down, if he cares enough about Anambra and the south east in general, would he be caught up in the corrupt deals he is known for.

And here you are, calling an Enugu man "wawa"and defending a corrupt man who doesn't give a poo about you, with his children scattered abroad and enjoying wealth accumulated at your own expense.

Liberate your mind bro!

You guys should be smarter than this. How can you believe that yoruba fear fear unity begger to be Igbo. That guy goes from thread to thread shouting Wawa Igbo and Abakalike Igbo all in a bid to bring discord among Igbos to see if we will give up Biafra based on disunity amongst us Igbos. He has failed from inception.


Ronaaldo is a grown up yoruba man with boldly carved tribal marks doing what his fathers and grannies taught him. Shikena

APCsupporter:
the best thing to do is to caution ipob against insulting people and make them apologise to everyone. then they can continue with their agitation in a civilized way.

Really ? Clap for yourself. Apologise to whom and direct the "to be continued" agitation to whom ?

Once more, clap for your Almajiri level of reasoning and smartness. Do i need to remind you that you are refering to Igbo. Great Igbo ? F you and f your Northern region. See whom to apologise to then continue with our agitation.


If you were close to me, i would have spread salt all over you and drop you to your Ramadan Ram to lick you up.

No no no no no. yorubas should remain there after all Igbos, not Yorubas were asked to leave. There is a detecting machine that separates Igbo from yoruba in almajiri(s head.

Iamzik:
It's not good to start what you cannot finish. I was expecting the east to also give the northern people a shorter altimatum. Instead you are all jittering and chest beating as usual.

Talking about threat. Nnamdi knanu started the threats. Now that you are threatened in return you are in panick Mode. You insult Yoruba, Niger delta, middle belt and the North and then you want thesame people to sit and reason with you? How clueless can these iPod's be?

Read the following excerpt from your albino leader and tell us if it sound like a threat or congratulatory message...


This was on radio Biafra facebook page on June 29, 2015:
Radio Biafra
June 29, 2015 ·

When we speak the Zoo trembles. That is what happens when a cattle rearing terrorist and pedophile is your ruler. Message to every #Hardcore Biafran, if you find anybody in your village asking after Radio Biafra kill the baboon Awusa Fulani or Yoruba bastard. Let them keeping searching as we keep tweeting for #Biafra. Lunatics!

Below are some of the provocative and treasonable statements made by the lunatic, at different times
"Nigeria is a zoo and everybody living in that Godforsaken zoo deserves to die....."
"Kumuyi should be stonned and dealt with thoroughly if he comes to Aba for his planned crusade....."
"The imbecilic Goodluck Jonathan is a disgrace to humanity and deserves to be skinned alive for handing over to an Hausa goat....."
"By the time we finish dealing with the animals in the zoo, there'll be none left to tell the story....."
"We are assembling weapons and we need some more money to thoroughly equip our military to enable us unleash mayhem on Nigeria....."
"Niger Deltans are cowards, we know what to do to them. Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa, Delta, Rivers, Edo and Cross Rivers State are our territory and anybody who tries to oppose us will be crushed....."
"Buhari is a shameless Paedophile and rapist....."
"Buhari is a Terrorist he should be killed....."
"All APC supporters are Boko Haram members, they are the real terrorists, Chukwuabiama will expose them all....."
"Buhari married his wife after raping her several times, the records are there....."
"No Ibo man should attend any Church where the pastor is a Yoruba man, they are criminals and fools....."
"Ibos are God's children, others are children of the devil, that's why we bear names like Nwachukwu,Chidinma,Chinyere,Chibuzor, Ikechukwu etc....."

You can edit and keep feeding youself those lies and equally go ahead and believe them. Smart minds won't fall for them.


Mind you, Biafrans are not trembling. Nigeria is.



I am not in any league of ultimatums with anybody, i am way too civil to descend to that cow level. I am voicing out to tell u and ur northern brothers that we'v welcome your ultimatum and wish you carry it out knowing fully well that we prepared for it.

APCsupporter:
tell me what is violent about my signature or remain quiet. your idiotic ipoop orangutans have been threatening to kill Yorubas and hausas for years without anybody calling them to order but just a threat from a youth forum and you are talking about fighting. if violence should break out (God forbid) who will suffer more? it's not just about beating your chest. sometimes you have to use your head. you are only praying for violence because you have no relative living in the north. nobody invited you to come to the north and if you hate us so much that you are calling the president a terrorist, a rapist, a cow and an illiterate just because he is from our side then be ready to lose our friendliness. again I ask, where was your agitation when. gej was in power? it's all about tribalism and now you have bitten more than you can chew

You are just beating about the bush. So we should support someone who not only referred to us as 5 percenters went ahead to sideline us in his appointments, right ? Ok, no more calls for violence but i hope it doesn't escalate to loss of life. After 1st October, let them bring our remnants in your land safely while they make your leaders lose grip on holding Nigeria together before then

What's the msg your signature is passing if i may ask and your last statement too, was msg is it passing ?

Gotze1:
Abegi Mr nairaland fighter, don't wait for the zoo to burn, start burning the zoo if they burn you well. I dare you to start it, else you are a bastard and a coward.

My last reply to this type of response just to pass a msg.

I don't reply to people who lack common sense. Make common sense and i will reply you.


By the way, do men fall from sky to fight wars ?

jpphilips:
Ojukwu said the same thing but sighting the shock and awe arrival of the Nigerian troops, he started asking himself how much horsepower he needs to outrun Usain bolt, do you sincerely think the world gives a fvck what you think?
You are heading towards a very shameful death if you make any mistakes from now on. Do I really blame most of you? what are you even living for? people who hawk le casera in the middle of a highway truly have absolutely nothing to live for, the only rational question for you IPOB mongrel is; how do you want to die?

unity begger pls swerve to my left with your ranting

Gotze1:
They should give you ultimatum so that you can cry your normal victim cry abi?

No, just to hasten things up.