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I hold Yunusa innocent until I hear from him –Sheikh Ahmad


The Chief Missioner of Ansar-ud-Deen Society of Nigeria, Sheikh Abdur-Rahman Ahmad, in this interview with ADEOLA BALOGUN and GBENRO ADEOYE, says the case of Yunusa, the alleged kidnapper of Ese Oruru, is straightforward and if found guilty, should face the law of the land

With Ese Oruru’s case, a lot of people have blamed Islam, saying it encourages paedophilia. What do you think about this?

It is unfortunate and it is callous of those who are holding a religion of almost two billion people responsible for the action of an individual who lived most of his life in Bayelsa State, but of northern extraction. If this is the way the world is, there will be so many blames and a situation will be created for hate, lack of tolerance and perpetual hostility between people, religions and nations. The KKK (Ku Klux Klan) in the United States, uses cross sign as a symbol, but has anybody ever blamed its action on Christianity? Adolf Hitler (leader of the Nazi Germany) was a Christian, has anybody blamed Christianity for his actions? This is why this kind of reasoning is very unfortunate; it is intellectually bankrupt and it stands the fact on its head. It is sensationalism at its best. I do believe that it is a smokescreen; the real agenda is that it is a campaign of hate against a region and against a religion and it is not going to take us very far.

But some people will say that this is a religion that allows people to marry minors and that if that was not so, no one would have been able to hide under its cover.

Again, that is feeding fat on ignorance. Let us go back in history. What was the age of puberty in Europe until very recently? Even up until now, states in the US have different ages of maturity. You can insist that 18 years is the age of maturity, but in other climes, they say it is 16. What do you say about that? Then again, we should be very careful with the way we throw tantrums. Those who live in a glass house should not throw stones. Islam reveres Jesus Christ. In fact, a whole chapter of the Quran is dedicated to the mother of Jesus; it is called Surat Mariam. And it is Islam that came in strong defence of Mariam and cleared her of all the allegations that were levelled against her. What are you going to say about the mother of Jesus? At what age did she get pregnant and for who? Joseph the carpenter who was close to 90 years old? She was a minor, 14 or 15 years. What is the age of maturity in the bible? So we should be very careful before we throw tantrums. We should not be blinded by hate and we should not condescend to generalisations. Generalisations are essentially simplistic and they complicate issues, promote ignorance, block mutual understanding and societal harmony.

But when the incident broke, as the leader of a sizeable number of Muslims in the country, how would you comment on what the alleged abductor, Yunusa, did?

Yes, I will make my comments. Let us now go to the issues. I can tell you very authoritatively the Islamic rulings, as far as marriage in general, is concerned. Let us use that as the basis for determining the correctness or otherwise of the action of whoever it is; remove the unfortunate individual from the picture now. Let us look at the fundamentals. The first condition for a valid marriage in Islam is the consent of the lady to be married. Islam holds that you cannot marry a woman against her will. As much as Islam has given power to the parents, Islam has not compelled such power to marry a lady against her will. No! So the first condition for a valid marriage in Islam is that the lady must consent willingly.

Two, this consent must also be supported by her parents, especially her father. So you cannot marry a woman without the consent of her guardian, and in this case, her father or whoever is the accredited representative of the father, if the father is not there.

The third condition is what is called Maarh. It is not a dowry and it is not even a gift. It is what a woman demands from the man for being man enough. Although, this is negotiable between both of them, they must come to an agreement. It could be cash, kind, deferred or even graduated over time. This is instructive because Islam grants such to a woman who is going into marriage. And from the outset, Islam is saying that she is to be consulted.

Finally, there must be at least two witnesses; these are the minimal conditions of marriage that must be satisfied. Take this against what happened. Where does abduction or elopement come in? The lady cannot give herself in marriage. It will not make that marriage valid.

Is that irrespective of the age of the lady in question?

Yes, irrespective of her age. This is because marriage is not just a union between two people; it is also a union between two families. In fact, in situations where the parents are being unnecessarily difficult or don’t have valid reasons, maybe because they think the individual who wants to marry their daughter is not rich enough, there are so many processes involved before whoever is the community leader can overrule the objection of the parents in the interest of the lady. So we must not continue to feed on ignorance and hate. We require some minimal understanding. What is even the provision of Islam about marriage?

Also, there are so many individuals doing wrong things. As we speak, so many people are breaking laws. They are acting in manners that are inconsistent with their conviction, faith and the law of the land. Now, as a leader of an Islamic organisation, how many people will I have to speak up against? ‘You are driving against traffic and you call yourself a Muslim. You’re taking bribe, or doing this or that’. You know it is impossible.

So until we verify the claims independently, we take them as allegations which have not been proved. So I hold Yunusa innocent because I have not had opportunity to hear from him. But let me say that if what he was alleged to have done is true, then that would be inconsistent with Islam. Islam does not allow you, whether underage or otherwise, to elope or abduct a girl or anybody for that matter. That is not the essence of marriage.

Some people may see Yunusa as a soldier of Islam having taken a girl from Bayelsa State to the north.

Yunusa had been living in Bayelsa State for long; he is well known to the parents of this girl. He is reported to be the customer of the mother of this girl. So Yunusa is not a stranger to the family; and not a stranger to the girl. There must have been some form of relationship between all of them before it turned sour. So when he was patronising the mother, he was not a soldier of Islam? It is probable that there may be some things that he has done in the past to please the parents. The parents never claimed that they never knew him, so he is not somebody just coming out of the blues. But this is not justifying his actions, no, far from that. I’m just saying that we should read between the lines. Whatever happened to investigation? We just pick news on the table without doing any investigation.

The incident happened in August and was brought to the attention of the Emir of Kano, Muhammadu Sanusi II.

Do you think the reason he gave that he had written a letter and didn’t know his directive was not followed was tenable?

First and foremost, the Emir of Kano must have intervened or arbitrated to resolve the conflict. He did not act in the capacity of a judge and he did not constitute a court. According to the evidence on ground, the case was taken to him as the Emir. The case did not even happen in Kano city, it happened in a village. Then he contacted the district head to investigate. The district head contacted the village head and they gave reports to him. To authenticate the report, he referred it to another body. ‘Please investigate this and report back to me.’ And they reported back to him and he said ‘look, this girl is too young to be married, return her to her parents.’ It was said that the girl complained that her life would be in danger, but the Emir said ‘okay, the Assistant Inspector-General of the zone, please ensure that you return this girl to her parents and also ensure her safety. What else would he have done under the circumstances? I don’t know; I want people to tell me. So I see all the snide remarks, all the campaigns of calumny, all the wailing against the Emir of Kano as uncalled for and it is unfortunate. Those who have taken it upon themselves to launch sneer campaigns against others should know that one day, they would also be in positions of authority.

aiyk02:
May your 14 year old daughter be a victim of this

I just av one reply for u

To announce ur ineptitude I wouldn't need a microphone cos a whisper of your foolishness would be heard in galaxies far away

hamilton62:
Yes truth is bitter, then are my words false? I am at apex hierarchy in maturity to continue argument on this especially with reasoning from the perspective of yours...
Follow the news keenly, then you'll comprehend my rebuke not because of hatred but because of the opportunist...
A dude in America went to college off the state with his girlfriend and teacher, she was made to face the talk more of taking a girl from her parents for months and when she talks and speak in her dialet with her mum they, the Paedophiles harsh her for English, if it's not a kidnap, manipulation, hypnotise and others why should such action of knowing her every move or words?
May God have MERCY on YOU and OTHERS like you inclusive I.
You need to REPENT!
Am off!

My brother before u go off read well nd comprehend my stand


From my post wat am pointing out is d way dey paint islam in all dis when is obvious with prove from d quran that islam isn't in support of it

Secondly I am also nt in support of the act cos in islam for females no marriage without d guardian or parent support

Am also saying the mum nd father re to b blame for all dis cos dey fail in der responsibility cos viewing it critically its obvious to me that this issue is nt abt kidnapping bt eloping

The guy parent av der share of d blame bt its non of my business cos it all started from bayelsa not kano
Bt in all all I want in dis case is justice not someone crying out wen its obvious its der fault


They start dragging d case from sept last year nd if d girl is 6month pregnant the she knew about d pregnancy before eloping with him to avoid may b embarrassment

Brother get my point right nd am also not forcing my opinion on u

Thanks too

ttime:
Am tired of arguing.
Just as colour blindness makes you see red as grey, partial deafness makes u hear words contortedly, some people have lost ability and capability to see the truth or acknowledge it. They've been brainwashed.
You are one of such. I recommend glasses and hearing aids.

All dis because I don't accept ur opinion am not asking u to accept mine either so y all dis. U need to grow up bro thanks

ttime:
I don't think u understand the magnitude of what you just said. Are you suggesting the woman should have refused to sell food to yunusa and friends from day 1.
She should have simply seen d snake in him and killed it before it came to strike her.
She shouldn't have been nice to him

No brother u re not getting my point

If u see d way those woman joke with there customers just to retain them nd also give them so many opportunity especially with there daughter's u will cry for them. Am talking base on what av seen not only in bayelsa but in most places.

If everything is strictly on business it would af been avoidable unless d girl head wan mental bt hell no all dey want is to retain der customers.

U can't come to my shop after transaction den u start playing with my daughter or decide to send my daughter on some nonsense errand hell no I won't tolerate dat infact if u see my eye ball u will get my point.


Those mother re d issue brother I knw what am saying they lev dos girls with their customer. Couldn't explain better here bt seriously am against d act bt I know wat am saying also

leofab:
you are silly for believe what you quoted kids being mother at 9,10 in bayelsa.. That means they took in be pregnancy at 7yrss

And u think u av pass a message with this ur senseless post ( get it down ur skull before all ur in-law sent u out of d aus) u bear patience to reply ppl so that they can get ur message idiot

kindredspirit:
The bolded has got to be the MOST moronic sentence I've read this year. Dude, you are either trying to be mischievous or you're just plain re.tarded in the brains department.

Girls of 9,10,11 are already mothers in Bayelsa state? What a joke! You need help, bruh.

Which of the psychiatric mental facilities are you posting from?

The one all your immediate family re being admitted into was wondering u re also not there now I knw hw we can track u down cos u need it badly

Idiot, reason before u insult no one has d monopoly to insult others

xxxtedyxxx:
you are a real blockhead...ODE.

open head didirin............. ti o ba ni lakaye o le torotabi koyalow eni ti o ni supo

Anextin:
my brother from what we heard this little girl has elderly ones who Re not pregnant. What baffles me is that if all these people were involved right from the onset to set this child free why wasn't she sent home. Why wait till the media become involved before doing the right thing. Whether she eloped or not, that boy is her senior and should know better, and who ever that joined them in converting and marrying her to yinusa without her parents consent and after knowing she's under age should also be persecuted. We need to start calling a spade a spade. This boy and his parents are absolutely wrong.

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yes u are absolutely right the message am passing is nt wat u re seeing, wat am saying is that islam is nt in support of a marriage wthout a guardian even in islam if d father is dead the mother cant giv out a female child instead she will look for d nextin position (male) from d father family if worst come to worst hr brother will stand for d father


in islam woman cant giv out a daughter nt to talk of marrying her without the family consent op u get d point

bt d media nd shallow minded ppl re taggin islam without knowledge

Umeadi09:
I strongly disagree with u on no marriage without wali, I know of a lady in d north whom without d father's knowledge they carried out aure for her. so wat are u saying

brother am not asking u to agree bt am simply saying wat d quran saya on it thanks

BetaThings:
I reckon that you are a Muslim, salaam
Under Shariah, it is wrong to elope with a girl
You just cannot travel with a girl who is not your sister, wife, mom, aunt etc
And she cannot become your wife without the consent of her wali (guardian)
The Prophet (SAW) told us that
“There is no marriage without a guardian.” (Tirmidhi and classified as saheeh by Al Albanee)

Forget what the media is doing - that they are feasting on the actions on of the man.
Without his action of travelling with a girl without her parent's consent, there will be no feast

Yes it is true that some girls are married off at an early age but we have so much dust because a Muslim has done this
But this is not a valid argument before Allah
The brother has to enter Islam completely and abide by the laws of Allah
He cannot be a Muslim and be aping non-muslims to justify his actions

whats dis one saying? dont u read where it was said dat there is no marriage without wali ( parent or guardian............................ i tire fo nlder

hamilton62:
I can see the height of stupidity oozing out of you as a bigot!
At the age of 9, 10, 11 how many northern girls are mother, pregnant, still virgin and suffering from VVF?
People like you are Yenuga aka Yellow... I wish God will naturally castrate you but He is a merciful father and I promise you that same coin will fall on you while you are vibrant...
Inhumane set of Paedophiles!
Let the ban rain atleast I stand up for humanity and not lower animalia

truth is bitter bro (too mature to come down to ur level of trading insult)
thats d side u know, ask d mother if she says d truth den u will understand all my word which is too much for u to comprehend

the mother know yunusa thats certain if u follow d news frm day 1
he his her customer
something would af triggered it cos i dont see it as kidnapping rather than a failed parent who lev der responsibility in terms of monitoring nd caring for their daughter

lyvin:
Hmmm You dey there when them dey play rough . Let's try and condemn what is wrong, taking off with someone's daughter without their consent is wrong morally/legally or 'lovely'. You can emotionally blame what you ike though!

pls do u know where d chat is coming from nd confirm if i condemn the act? U don't even knw what bring us to dat direction before commenting and quoting mid way smh

derecho:
I don't need to be told why you think that way.
If the truth matters to you, why will he ELOPE if Ese's mum condone the nonsense?Abi Elope don get another meaning?
Itz better to keep quiet than defend a lie .

brother this is a forum where u dont knw most ppl so wen commenting u dont need insult to pass ur message is nt a must u accept my opinion nor a must i accept urs would av try to explain my view futher bt it takes two mature mind to discuss two different opinion on a long term without fight and insult. Thanks for ur time bro

aiyk02:
if it were your daughter that was abducted, molested, impregnated etc would you have been writing this here? be sincere to your self

My brother read d post without a bias mind the media paint it as if islam said u can abduct someone that y I said no marriage in islam without wali ( parent or guardian consent) bt the media isn't playing it well cos they av there hidden agenda too


Bro apology bt read well before quoting


The story get K -leg now dey av been together in bayelsa, both of them av been playing rough in d mum present at least without them showing dislike to it, dey av been dating in bayelsa too before eloping with the lover not to talk of been 5-6month pregnant for him u don't av to b bias too look critically as someone who really need d truth den u will see how the ese's family caused it all

OBAGADAFFI:
Will you just shut up

Mr park well or u face ur lane cos is not a must u quote me

Ajao Adepoju Abu Aish WHAT THE MEDIA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT ESE AND YUNUSA. The media have deliberately refused to inform you that Yunusa is less than 30 years old. The media refused to inform you that both of them have been dating long before now. The media misinformed you that Ese was "allegedly abducted", whereas it is case of ELOPING. The media deliberately misinformed you that Ese was FORCEFULLY CONVERTED TO ISLAM . The question is; did Ese said ? The media also in their attempt to blackmail the general muslims and Islam as usual refused to tell you that the parents of Ese are crying foul only because the young man is a Northerner and a muslim, hence they will give out their girl to him. Note: In Bayelsa, girls as young as 9, 10 and 11 are already mothers even without marriage. The media also failed to inform you of the effort of Shariah council and the emir of Kano to ensure that Ese is return back to Bayelsa, this is since September last year. There is no marriage without wali (parent or guardian). Be careful with media, some people are using it to destroy humanity instead building it.
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ademoladeji:
Let's not bring our parents into this. We are all learning here...

I have an intention to marry someone, we don't kiss, we don't hold ourselves, we don't hug, neither do we hav sex. What we discuss were clean...

Is it haram to have an opposite sex as friends?

I hope you're aware of the ppl connected with usury n d likes...

Anyway, I get your point and I appreciate your contributions greatly.

Brother read and digest with open mind am nt bringing ur parent into any discussion cos I av mine too so won't ridicule someone else parent ( saying u need both ur parent nd her parent blessing in it isn't an insult to ur parent) but mind u


Doing things dsame way and expect different result is d best definition of ........ U can google it. Thanks

Truth hurt bt I won't deceive u either cos I don't knw u nor u knw m so no gain in lying cos wat am saying is not what u expect doesn't mean it isn't the right thing so far u are a muslim brother u re bound by d islamic law

knarphie1:
As Salam alaykum. pls I want tu clarify sumtin. Pple keep saying courtship is haram in Islam. If a man meets a lady let's say Feb and they got married by December. Wt wud u call d period from Feb tu December??.

My sister get the point if u meet someone nd u av mk d necessary research abt d person including its aqeedah den d next thing is to ask d brother to meet ur parent ( in islam parent consent is all u need) u can google on islamic process to nikkah...... Meeting ur parent, preparing for aqeed nd co is nt a day stuff nd d last thing people do dat tk time in which dey can do at anytime is d walimotul nikkah nd it isn't compulsory "aqeedu nikkah is d most nd only compulsory" one involving both parent nd at least two witnesses on both side

ademoladeji:
YES! I know Islam negates courting.

Courtship is defined as a period during which a couple develop a romantic relationship before getting married. Here, we were friends but NEVER engaged in sexual act because of our mutual understandings.

We both had the intention of settling down together buh without doing what is forbidden. So, I court the Halal way.

To digress a bit, lot of what we do today are things ISLAM negates.
We work in bank- Haram
We save in the bank; this attracts Usury- Haram
We listen to music; circular- Haram
lot of other things brother.

.....We can only try our best. Allah is Oft-Knowing Of-Forgiving

JazakAllah Khaeran

My brother note: there is nothing like halal courtship if your parent (both) are not aware and put there blessing in it.

Not everything we do is haram listen to music is haram is it a must we listen to it?

My bank put interest bt I knw d amount I deposited in d bank dat interest is der problem not mine

So brother if we do the right thing we will get the right result


No halal relationship

personal59:
Brother I love ur reply nd it will giv us more space to learn from each other

Firstly I want you to know that what's meant for u will never leave u and vice versa


My brother do u know dat if we keep doing things dsam way we will keep getting the same result?


Firstly I want u to know that islam is d best religion and d accepted one in d sight of Allah. It also has its own culture and mode of operation as a muslim we are bound by the law of islamand going outside it leads to sinful act or not obeying it

Do u know that islam negate courting?

Islam av a laid down rule I mean what to look for in both woman nd man before going for marriage


This hadeeth was narrated by al-Bukhaari (4802) and Muslim (1466) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said: “A woman may be married for four things: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty and her religious commitment. Seek the one who is religiously-committed, may your hands be rubbed with dust (i.e., may you prosper).” 

There is nothing in this hadeeth to suggest that it is enjoined or encouraged to marry a woman for her beauty, lineage or wealth. Rather what it means is that these are things that people look for in marriage. Some look for a wife who is beautiful, some look for a wife who is descended from a noble family, some look for a wealthy wife, and some look for a wife who is religiously-committed – and this last is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) encouraged when he said: “Seek the one who is religiously-committed, may your hands be rubbed with dust (i.e., may you prosper).” 

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Muslim: 

The correct view concerning the meaning of this hadeeth is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke of what people usually do, for they seek these four characteristics, the last of which in their view is religious commitment, but you who are seeking to follow the right way should seek the one who is religiously committed.  This is not a command to do so… This hadeeth encourages us to seek the company of religiously-committed people in all things, because the one who keeps company with them will benefit from their good attitude and good ways, and will be safe from any bad influence from them. 

Al-Mubaarakfoori said in Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi: 

Al-Qaadi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is the people’s custom to seek certain characteristics in women and to choose a wife for a certain quality. It befits those who are religiously-committed to base their actions on religious guidance, especially with regard to matters that are serious and have lasting effects. 

The scholars differed greatly as to the meaning of the words, “May your hands be rubbed with dust.” Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Saheeh Muslim: 


And Allaah knows best.

Sorry brother ws very busy ad to pause work to continue


In addition we can't give what we don't have and in hadith qudusi Allah said know me before you serve cos if u don't know me how will u serve me


U can't give what you don't have thaats y the first step in the right direction is to seek the right knowledge we don't need an alfa or anyone aside Allah if we know cos this religion belong to no one nd it also belong to all

Its never too late to seek the right knowledge bro cos knowledge will guid ur ways. Am short of what to say anymore cos am too busy bt u can ask that one will prompt more words

ademoladeji:
As-Salam Alaekum WaramotuLlah Wabarakatuh...

You don't seem to understand the scenario.

No one is an island of knowledge. I crave to to know what I don't know and also desire to have better understanding of the which I know.

What makes us differ is our level of understanding of a subject matter because of our diverse way of upbring.

On the Istikhara, I have read series of literature as well as listened to a number of sermon by Islamic scholars which has made me have better understanding of the subject.

I wouldn't want to repeat what I've said in my earlier posts buh will respond to your questions.

1. Yes, we were courting

2. 14 months

3(a) She consistently asked me about my solat, she invites my to attend Islamic progs.
(b) I bought Islamic literature for her to read, Al-Qunut, Quran (Translated), I even share hadiths and sermons with her, I encouraged her to perform her solat at the designated time, and lots more

Brother I love ur reply nd it will giv us more space to learn from each other

Firstly I want you to know that what's meant for u will never leave u and vice versa


My brother do u know dat if we keep doing things dsam way we will keep getting the same result?


Firstly I want u to know that islam is d best religion and d accepted one in d sight of Allah. It also has its own culture and mode of operation as a muslim we are bound by the law of islamand going outside it leads to sinful act or not obeying it

Do u know that islam negate courting?

Islam av a laid down rule I mean what to look for in both woman nd man before going for marriage


This hadeeth was narrated by al-Bukhaari (4802) and Muslim (1466) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said: “A woman may be married for four things: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty and her religious commitment. Seek the one who is religiously-committed, may your hands be rubbed with dust (i.e., may you prosper).” 

There is nothing in this hadeeth to suggest that it is enjoined or encouraged to marry a woman for her beauty, lineage or wealth. Rather what it means is that these are things that people look for in marriage. Some look for a wife who is beautiful, some look for a wife who is descended from a noble family, some look for a wealthy wife, and some look for a wife who is religiously-committed – and this last is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) encouraged when he said: “Seek the one who is religiously-committed, may your hands be rubbed with dust (i.e., may you prosper).” 

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Muslim: 

The correct view concerning the meaning of this hadeeth is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke of what people usually do, for they seek these four characteristics, the last of which in their view is religious commitment, but you who are seeking to follow the right way should seek the one who is religiously committed.  This is not a command to do so… This hadeeth encourages us to seek the company of religiously-committed people in all things, because the one who keeps company with them will benefit from their good attitude and good ways, and will be safe from any bad influence from them. 

Al-Mubaarakfoori said in Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi: 

Al-Qaadi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is the people’s custom to seek certain characteristics in women and to choose a wife for a certain quality. It befits those who are religiously-committed to base their actions on religious guidance, especially with regard to matters that are serious and have lasting effects. 

The scholars differed greatly as to the meaning of the words, “May your hands be rubbed with dust.” Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Saheeh Muslim: 


And Allaah knows best.

The seat is hot bt he his sincere in all

May Allah grant him wisdom, knowledge nd all he need to deliver good governance Ameen

balash:
Istikhara is done by saying 2 rakat only and telling Allah your needs and he should guide you to the right path!! That's the normal istikhara

The istikhara that's been promoted now after 2 rakat and some verses, you would be asked to go too sleep. And reveal what you saw in the dreams and it would be translated.

If you don't know or have never experience it stop condemning, what u don't know does not kill you

Brother from ur first quote all I will say is I will keep mute cos u won't understand me

Jazakhallahu khairan for ur time

SURELY, THE TIME IS HERE.
Yaa Alal Quraan! (I call upon the Muslims)
Know, may Allaah reward you that, the time is here,
The time when there will be shortage of Scholars,
The time when jaahil will sit as a fatawah leader,
The time when Qur'an will be many, everyone will try to read but few will understand it,
The time when the prophet words will need to be reshaped by some set of people
The time when Sunnah will need a new version,
The time when Dunyah will be more important than Akhirah.
Return to your deen in totality, you still have an opportunity to be a better Muslim
We ask Allaah for proper understanding of his deen and make us an inmate of Jannatul Firdaous

balash:
What are u insinuating?? Be clear please

For you to understand me very well can you tell me what is istikhara and how is istikhara done?

enieme:
How about the fact that she may just be ignorant about issues like this and May have been raised to always take what islamic auauthorities around her say to be true; and disobedience to them being tantamount disobedience ce to Allah?
I don't think u need to discourage the op as of yet.

My sister both the op and the so called girl are on thesame line in terms of knowledge the girl doesn't knw nd him also doesn't know either

Is d op not courting d girl?

How many months, years af they spent together?

What has she done to improve him in islamic knowledge nd also d op himself

ademoladeji:
What a world we're in...
May we be forgiven our shortcomings
Thank you ma'am

enieme:
How about the fact that she may just be ignorant about issues like this and May have been raised to always take what islamic auauthorities around her say to be true; and disobedience to them being tantamount disobedience ce to Allah?
I don't think u need to discourage the op as of yet.

My sister both the op and the so called girl are on thesame line in terms of knowledge the girl doesn't knw nd him also doesn't know either

Is d op not courting d girl?

How many months, years af they spent together?

What has she done to improve him in islamic knowledge nd also d op himself

ademoladeji:
May Allah SWT grant you His blessings.

I listened to Bilal Philips'sermon about Istikhara and I think same point you just made.

What baffles me most is the way our 'so-called' clergies in this part of the world mislead us. The person I've given my all to, that person I thought was my dream, the lady I so much felt would carry my unborn babies, just left me because sm1 told her she'd see a dream of colour.

Yes! she did buh the colour was RED- meaning there is NO WAY!

God in His Supreme Oneness has the Sole Power to see 2mao but we outta our curiosity want to wrestle that power with Him.


I've accepted it as my Qadar (Kadara)

Everything occurs according to preordainment and according to what has been decreed. Such is the belief of Muslims, the followers of Muhammad (Blessings and Peace be upon him). And nothing happens in the Universe except through Allah's Knowledge, Permission, and Divine Plan.

And certainly, we shall test you with something of fear hunger loss of wealth, lives and fruits, but give glad tidings to the patient ones.
(Quran 2: 155)

And in a hadith, the Prophet (bpuh) said:

"Wonderful is the affair of the believer! His affairs in their entirety are good for him: if good befalls him. he is thankful, and that is good for him. And if harm befalls him, he is patient, and that is good for him. And this (prosperous state of being) is only for the believer."

cc: balash

My brother af a strong imaan in Allah


Read more of d quran and authentic hadith. Your mind should b at rest cos what is meant for you will never leav u nd what leaves u is never meant for u

balash:
Yes you on right track probably, but people's vices and hearsay are the problem we facing, every bachelor / spinster wants a perfect marriage forgetting that they would surely be ups and down in marriages and when it happens they equally claim it's the end. Am not an istikhara fan anyway. And I know surely well that when am married it won't be rosy always and I have every options to wakeup in the middle of the night, pray and seek for Allah's guidance.

But people want to see future and that's so wrong, imagine istikhara saying u can't bear child in marriage with a certain man u would love to marry and you left the man forgetting that only Allah provides children and he Allah can change everything as long as you beleive he can doo it.? Are u a fan of it?

Brother abeg we need sound islamic knowledge do u really know what istikhara is abi hw can istikhara say u can't av a child haba istikhara is not going to dos so called alfa op u knw sha

enieme:
Please what are they seeing o
Contrary to belief that when one makes istikira, one would get the result in a dream form of some sort. Its a fallacy.
Knowing the meaning of the words uttered is even enough to prove this poin.
one makes istikira after seeking counsel on a matter. thereabout one chooses whatever option one's heart is more inclined towards and then begs Allah that if that option be good, that Allah makes it come through and if not, one would obviously encounter obstacles coming one's way whenever decision is made on that option.
E. G u want to make decision on either buying a Samsung phone or BlackBerry. U ask around and u seem to get more pros about bb. U make istikira and proceed to go buy it. If you encounter no probs then it's good, but if u keep being hindered by one thing or the other then it probably isnt what ur meant to buy.

My sister I don't even knw u av comment on what dey are seeing o infant the present muslim youth need knowledge bt non is ready to learn bt we are ready to pass fataawah

balash:
If there is a lady who has probably done istikhara on u and she ain't pleased with what she saw then I think you should let her be and move on. Don't force it because ladies have weaker heart and if you force her she might even cheat in marriage or thereabout. She has been exposed to it and let it slide please. Move on

Its not written anywhere that you will av a dream after doing istikhara ( I stand to be corrected) or u should explain that statement "what she saw" bt if u still mean dream den brother d insinuation is wrong

balash:
There is nothing wrong in istikhara but am actually not a fan, I think you should marry a good muslim lady. Even if you not perfect in future pray about it together indoor, there is nothing difficult for Allah to do as far as you come to him in times of need.

Brother u re funny so if u have flat tyre you drive your car like dat praying to Allah to fill it with air and never allow your rim to destroy or cut your tyre

Wao great