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elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman getting married in her late teen.

Most of the women who are in their seventies, sixties and late fifties now, got married before they hit 20 years. Some even got married before they got to fifteen years. And so many of them raised many great men and women.

I have always been of the opinion that women should preserve their virginity.


El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

It also prevents lack of suitors. Many who are praying desperately for husbands at 45 yes old or more were once hot cake and probably turned down prospective husband's for several reasons . Some want to have masters and PhD first because that's what daddy told them

OkCornel:
1. There was no obligation on gentile believers to tithe. (The only caveat in the Old Testament is if they were resident in the promised land, as tithe is a levied on crops and certain livestock raised in the promised land only)

You're correct

In the new testament, Acts 15 exempts gentile believers from obligations of tithing.

Kindly show us

2. There is no historical or scriptural evidence of Job tithing. He was a gentile believer, no obligation on him to do such.

Is there scriptural evidence Job gave to the poor either? Does that nullify giving of alms?

3. Oga Petra, please where did God request tithes from the Israelites in Exodus 9 v 1? God's requirement of tithe from the Israelite took effect when they were already in the promised land ooo..
.By the way, your response is not comprehensive enough. Did the Israelites tithe while in Assyrian, Babylonian or Persian captivity? Hmmm? Do you have any scriptural or historical reference to prove this?

They couldn't have tithed in captivity in Egypt or Assyria.

That's why God called them out back to the land of promise where they set up a worship system and tithes and offerings resumed.

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OkCornel:
You said tithing is for all?

Did God put any obligation whatsoever on gentile believers (especially those resident outside of Israel) to tithe either in the old or New Testament?

I don't know . You tell us.

Did the likes of Job (a gentile believer in the Old Testament) tithe?

I don't know.

Another poser for you. Did the Israelites tithe when they were held in captivity outside of the promised land?

They didn't . It's the reason God brought them out so they could worship him in tithes and offerings.

Exodus 9:1
​ Then the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

When they came out of Egypt God restored the system of worship and tithes and offerings resumed again .

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[quote author=dogmart post=110784418]Once again you have been unable to pinpoint a record of tithe giving by the early Christians or early church from the bible. That says
A whole lot. Since for a fact the only record we have which was clearly spelt out was free giving by brethrens.

Yes, elders who preach as well as the needy in the church need be taken care of, but it was clearly from offerings which were voluntarily given by brethrens and not by any form of enforced tithings.
Now let me ask you, do u think Paul forgot to enforce tithing? Or they didn't need the money? [/quotes]

Tithes and offerings are both principles in God's kingdom. You can't pick one and leave the other .

With that said let me quickly talk about Matt 23: 23
Please Whenever u want to quote a bible verse, endevour to avoid quoting only the portion that suits u.

It's for emphasis

Matt:23: 23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

This was Christ rebuking the Pharisees for putting emphasis on tithing and neglecting the important things

Was tithing only for pharisees? Tithing is for all. Jesus says to tithe.

That Wasn't saying tithing is for the Christian so don't get it twisted

Neither did he say christuians should abstain from tithing. Can you give a scripture where God condemn or put an end to tithing

dogmart:
Please kindly direct us to where Jesus instructed us to pay tithe and where Paul instructed the church to pay tithe.
It will be well appreciated. Equally provide where it was recorded that Paul and the early church paid tithe. or they didn't need money?

Failure to provide the passage will only mean you clearly don't know what u are talking about.

We are waiting sir

Matthew 23:23 TLB
. . .You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Compare the 2 verses below

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

dogmart:
Lol.
Let's take it one after the other , Yes Abraham taught his children in the way of the Lord even though there was no record of either Isaac of Jacob tithing.

Jacob tithed and he must have learned it from.isaac

But of course they made animal sacrifices and built alters where these sacrifices were made.
So Mr, let me advice u. Since u are "hell" bent on following Abraham teachings and not Christ teachings, why not start buying sheeps and goats and start ur animal sacrifices?.Or oh! That Is old testament? It doesn't apply to Christianity?

Was Abaraham tithe to Melchizedek by animal sacrifices?. Tithe is given of all things. It's a matter of choice

Keep decieving urselves.

Back to semder

Do u see that u didn't answer my question regarding why there was No mention of tithing by Christ or any of the apostles who were the foundation of Christianity.

You didn't ask me. Christ taught on tithing . Paul taught on tithing

So you all decide to pick the part that is comfortable with among their deeds and pick the ones you are comfortable with among he deeds in the old testament and you justify it with "The holy spirit"

That only describe you guys. Tithes and offerings are eternal principles. You chose offerings that is convenient and dodge the tithes

Malachi 3:8
Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.

I pity the slaves under your enforced law.

The slaves to greed are tithe eaters

decide for yourself whether you want to practice Christianity or Judaism.

Was Abraham Jaxob and Isaac practicing Judaism. That apart. So when you give offering its not Judaism but when you give tithes its Judaism. You do well . Continue . ..

Cus there is no where Tithing is ever made mentioned in Christianity, until u so called "Men of God" saw something Paul did not see. And didn't deem important to write about in all his letters to the early churches.
Who is decieving who?

Paul taught on tithing

dogmart:
And what did Melchizedek do with the tithe?
Buy chairs for the "temple"?

That's not the point. Was melchizedek a Levite?. If he's not then it's heretic to say only levites receive tithes

You lots will keep concorting various believes to justify ur greed.

Wrong ! We give tithes . It's rather yiu tithe eaters that are greedy and using concoction of truth to cushion your conscience

Tithe was instrumented by God for the Levites. That is what is clearly written in the bible. Before then there was no mention of it.

Was Melchizedek a levite?

Yes Abraham gave a part of the recovered loot to Melchizedek

You're correct and that part he gave was tithe of the lot.

, but where else was it mentioned in the history of Abram, Jacob or Isaac that they tithed?

Tithing started under Abrahamic covenant. And God testified that Abraham will teach his family the way of God

Genesis 18:19
For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him. . .

Jacob or Isaac that they tithed?

Yes they did. Abraham taught Isaac ,Isaac taught Jacob.

Genesis 28:2
. . and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

And these were farmers o.

Tithes is for every worshiper of God

You lots are just clowns

You are a kilimanjaro..
. . . Sorry. . Dongoyaro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvENhSjXlQo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpiICvl8hrw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebjVS41_h4

jitesmallz:
This T B Joshua update will shock you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J6ySZlwt4c

Jim yke was DEMON possessed and Some of the demons were manifesting that day. He should rather be grateful that they cast it out. People thought he was paid to act . I told them that day this was not acting . I know I w demonic manifestation when I see one. It's juts that Jim yke himself didn't know what happened

Now you have told Putin where you're hiding. Basement

LordReed:
So Paul was wrong saying you guys would be caught up in the sky?
1 Thess 4
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

You have become Christian finish

LordReed:
Still waiting for the day one of you will multiply 1 bag of rice into 5000 bags as a sign of this higher manifestation.

You won't belive. It only happens to those who belive . Shey apostle Suleiman did miracle money .he came under fire

Dtruthspeaker:
My brother, it is True na. And the complaints of people have proven it's Truth.

The Word of God in deed Cometh to Pass and we are the witnesses thereof.

The power of God is as of old. The Bible even let's us know that we are in the days of higher manifestations.
Those who seek God in truth will keep seeing his power And glory . Until the Rapture. It's only after the Rapture that the power of the Holy Spirit will be withdrawn from the earth. So for now . Individuals determine the extent. Of the power of God in their lives and ministrry.

Kobojunkie:
Spirit was not commanded by the apostles instead the apostles were commanded by Spirit-

Why do you misquote people sometimes. Is it comprehension issue with you ni?

The guy is talking about evil spirit went out or "wenting" out of sick people at the command of the apostles.

Mark 5:13
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out . . .

Acts 19:12
. . . and the evil spirits went out of them

Dtruthspeaker:
As he has noticed and you have noticed, it is not just healing alone, but many of the good things eg marriage, love, wealth, family etc of the past have become almost absent.

Here is another one "I Go that the prince of this world may come".

Ha Oga !

chiefobdk2:
was Abraham a Christian? Abraham's gift to Melchizedek was a voluntary act not coerced by anyone or any law..

Who's talking about coercion? We are talking about principle. How the principle is carried out is individual business either by: inspiring, teaching, admonishing, coercing. Bullying threatening.

the tithe law of the old testament is in Leviticus way after Abraham and Jacob. yes jacob offered to give God 10 percent if God will keep blessing him at Bethel...

RepoMan007:
spirit went out at command of apostles.

The power of God is still being made manifest. Healing, prophecies amd casting out of evil spirit.
Whatakes you think otherwise

wirinet:
In addition there is no evidence that Abraham or any of his descendants tithes compulsorily.
The tithe Abraham paid to Melchizedek was voluntary and it was once from the spoils of war.

Nobody use terms as "compulsory" The Questionis if tithe is legit or not.

He paid it to Melchizedek because he allowed Abraham pass through his land to attack his enemy.

Where is it written

There is no other record of Abraham paying tithe to anybody for the rest of his life.

It's not b the number of time. Some do daily ,monthly or annually . The point is the principle not the process

The children of Israel was not recorded to have paid tithes while in Egypt or while wondering in the desert for 40 years.

Its the reason God brought them out of Egypt to worship him because tithing stopped when they migrated to Egypt. God brought them out to resume worship . Tithes and offerings. A d he re enacted the law again

Moses was not recorded to have paid anyone tithe.

Moses was not recorded that he gave money to the poor either.

Joseph Jacob made a vow to pay tithe saying: ‘If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, so that I come back to my father’s house in peace, then shall the Lord be my God ... and of all that you shall give me I will surely give the teJacob nto you."
Joseph (Jacob )how was conditional and not compulsive, with a big if

How did Jacob know about tithing if it wasn't an existing practice in his time . Did he go to war like Abraham? Judge ye!

We were not told if he actually paid the tithe and to whom.

He did.

wirinet:
Who are the offshoot of Abrahamic covenant that still tithe today - Judaism, islam or Christianity? Mind you only Word of Life Christians (Pentecostals) tithe.

The hier of Abramahic covenant was not Ishmael but Jacob . Who also gave Gave God tithe

Genesis 28:22
And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”

OkCornel:
You are still dancing around the question.

Anyone who are offshoot of Abrahamic covenant tithed . Kindly do the math

OkCornel:
1. Did Job (a non-Israelite) tithe?

2. Can you give scriptural references where Gentile Christians tithed under the new covenant?

3. Did the Apostles tithe?

Or these ones are no longer God worshippers too?

Tithe was instituted under Abrahamic covenant.

Anyone who are offshoot of it tithed

wirinet:
Modern day scam artists in the guise of men of God have so battered the psyche of their members that they make them believe that the only way to success is by feeding their extravagant lifestyles, by twisting Malachi chapter 3 to their advantage.

That's your theory. The word of God is against extravagant lifestyle. Your extreme language is more like a distraction to the topic. If tithe is legit or not. Proof it with point .

Instead of them to teach and encourage their members to improve their skills and abilities to succeed in life,

The word of God is balance . There is place of hard work, there is place of grace and prayer . You can not dwell on one only. The Pastors at least do better . They teach on diligence. They teach against lazinessajs being slothful in businessetc. , non givers always exerggerate as though the whole 1 hr message every week is only on tithe.

they turn then into perpetual ATM machines.

That's your theory but that's not what is taught in churches.

OkCornel:
And this “Israel” in the book of Malachi includes Nigerian Christians in this present dispensation abi? Well done o

The principles of God is for all God worshipers

OkCornel:
And this “Israel” in the book of Malachi includes Nigerian Christians in this present dispensation abi? Well done o

They were the people of God or the churxh of that generation

wirinet:
I don't want to continue going in circles with Petra1. He is wearing really distorted blinkers. How can one interprete
to mean to mean the words were directed at the whole nation when the speaker made a distinction between "Ye" and the nation with the adverb even? The "ye" in Malachi refers to priests.

He has really been indoctrinated by tithe criminals.

Malachi3 cannot be read in isolation of Malachi 2:

Amd you cannot isolate Malachi 2 from Malachi 1

Malachi 1:1
Malachi
​ The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

He was sent to the nation. While prophesying to the nation he addressed Judah, He addressed priests, He addressed issues about the messiah and his forerunner. Just as any book of prophecy with multiple messages and topics. Why will you now just pick one part and color all with it..

OkCornel:
Which nation was the book of Malachi addressed to? Israel or Nigeria?

Was the book of Malachi directed to the gentile nations?"

It was directed to worshipers of God.

Did God make tithing mandatory for any of the gentile nations?

Did God make salvation mandatory for Gentiles?

Can you provide examples of Christians (not Judaisers) that tithed in the scriptures?

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

wirinet:
You have been brainwashed beyond redemption by scam artists in the guise of men of God.

I quoted the bible not pastors. So let's stay on facts nothing personal

The verses which you people are so obsessed with was directed at priests who just like modern day christian priests are scamming the people of Israel. God was directing his anger at them and not the general children of Israel.

Wrong . The book of malachi was addressed to a nation . He only addressed priests in few verses and that didn't include tithing .where he addressed The nation he mentioned it and where he addressed priests he mentioned it


Malachi 3:9
Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me,
even this whole nation.

Tithes and offerings issue was for everyone

I am not talking about regular pastors who are also victims of exploitation by the so called men of God

Then it will be wrong of you guys to rubbish all pastors. Because 99.9 percent are lay workers who volunteer to serve God's people. Sacrificing their pay in serving God and you guys come up here before the world to rubbish all pastors because of your bile against few.

I am talking about G.Os who set up churches as means of fleecing desperate or illiterate people of their hard-earned money through perverse doctrines.

If you want to address G.O. do it differently. That still doesn't mean you're right and they are wrong .we will still analyze your points in the light of the Bible

Wrong translation and interpretation. This is how King James Version puts it;

It doesn't make a difference. The principle is clear that it's ok to pay tithes

Why do you think Jesus specified what the scribes and Pharisees should tithe, or you think Jesus was not aware money exists? Jesus specifically stated issues that are important to God - law, judgment, mercy, and faith, these are what all the message and parables of Jesus was about. It's what the gospel is about. Tithe has no place in the gospel according to Jesus.

Says who? Jesus didn't condem marrying you marrying your daughter either. So does it make it right

Yes, tithes was instituted in Israel as compensation for the Levi tribe, which as a priestly tribe were not allowed to inherit land. There are no more Levis in Israel and so no one pays tithes anymore in Israel. How Nigerians scam artists (G.Os) converted themselves to Levis is a miracle.

Tithe was instituted under Abrahamic covenant 400 years before the law. Abraham Jacob Isaac all tithes. They only stopped when they became slaves in Egypt. That's even why God had to bring them out to "serve him," and in serving him he re instituted tithes and offerings and regulated it for them. Because it has always been in the system of worship since the days of Abraham

So it no more about Levis but about ministers and partakers. Is it only G.Os that ministers and wait at the altar or preach the gospel? Why is it that the tithes and offerings are chopped by only the G.Os and his family? Should not the tithes be shared equally among the pastors and all the workers of a church? Why would the G.Os be driving private jets and ordinary pastors are walking the streets under the sun, preaching the gospel

Tithe is given to God not to G.O. Private jets were not bought with tithes and offerings. Some came as gift from members . Some G.O have businesses. Don't work with assumptions.

There is no must in any genuine religion, that's religious fundamentalism. You give as the heart directs.

As the word instructs . Selfish heart won't direct

wirinet:
Who are tithe eaters? I hope you are referring to pastors who use members tithes to buy live extravagant lives.

Wrong. Tithe eaters are those who rob God by not tithing.

Pastors are not tithe collectors. Pastors are rather tithers and givers. And for you information most denominational pastors are volunteers . THEY ARE.LAY WORKERS.. They have their jobs and businesses. Ranging from civil servant to lecturer etc.
Only few pastors are into full time ministry and such are placed on allowance. Church money does not belong to the pastor. Tithe eaters give impression as though pastors live on church offering. Most pastors spend their money on the church. Every pastor is not G.O with private jet. That's just few exceptions


Please give verses where Jesus preached about tithes or where he taught his disciples about tithes. He only made reference to tithes when admonishing the pharesees for placing tithes above all other things.

Matthew 23:23 TLB
. . .. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Yes there must be balance. Tithe is not part of that balance. It's a scam by modern day Christianity.

You're wrong . Compare the two verses below

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Tithes and offerings are eternal principles in God's kingdom. If you give offerings you must give tithes you cant chose one and neglect the other because one us very convenient.