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@Gatiano,thanks for that link.....
I have been searching for comprehensive write ups for that a long time now,but has been getting bits by bits......
Most people will write that off,especially those without!

italo:
..yes I made a mistake. So what?

...

Go fork yourself,not my concern.
As for the contradiction, if you don't see it too,not my concern;if you see it,not my concern too..
Even if I spend 1billion yrs showing it to you,once you don't want to see it,I can't talk you into seeing it with your Christian mentality; I was once like you,so I will always understand your obstinacy!

italo:
Your position is incomprehensible.

You say there is a contradiction...yet you cannot point out the contradiction.

What's the use of telling a blind man how beautiful a girl is.

italo:
Again, God teaches. He doesn't force men to accept.

Lol! I thought he knows the beginning from the End? Is everything that happen on earth not his will again?

“The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes” (Prov. 21:1).“The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord” (Prov. 16:1).“The mind of man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps” (Prov. 16:9).“The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord” (Prov. 16:33).“Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the counsel of the Lord will stand. ” (Prov. 19:21).“I know, O Lord, that a man’s way is not in himself, nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps” (Jer. 10:23).


Also,tell that To Jonah,Ananias and Saphira,Lazarus,Sodom and Gomorrah, and the rest of the world he destroyed he destroyed with a flood!!

italo:
But you already said only the person being talked to knows the context. So I am the wrong person to ask since I wasn't born then.

I thought you had asked the early Christians and they had told you.

If you haven't...and therefore dont know the context in which the statement was made...how can you assert that there is a contradiction?

Surely,you have comprehension problem!!

I like it that CAS upheld our Ban.....
This is glory time for Enrique and the board.....
Will they be remembered as the guys who won it all while not being able to sign players for two transfer window?
The Court is set!!

Horus:
Outside Nairaland too. Africans must rebel against the lies and ignorance created by the Caucasian which keep the minds of Africans people imprisoned and their spiritual strength weak. To make it plainer, the only rebellion the Africans masses can win at this time is a mental and spiritual revolution, which will put the Africans masses in mental and spiritual power. Then they will have the power to do anything else that may be necessary for complete liberation and well being.

That's great to know....
I use to be vocal about mine, later restricted it to when approached.....
"Tell not to those who are without,for you know not what evil they plan for you"
I just realised it is a thing of the mind.No one talks anyone into it,it is a default function reset that happens on its own!

italo:
God teaches. He doesn't force men to accept.

Like seriously?
You have totally killed every other comment you will make in this section with the above Statement...

italo:
You already said only the person being talked to knows the true meaning.

If this applies to the Bible, how can you claim a contradiction when you aren't the one being talked to...hence cannot know the true meaning of what was said?

I had hoped that after reading that little example,you would grab the point made,but it seems you don't...
When I said "I am coming",what made me say so? what necessitated that response from me? It is because my friend asked me "where are you?" Therefore,the comment from me was answered in the context of "Where are you?"...Something leads to something,one thing leads to another,A-G,1-9....
Now,in "he bought the field with the wages of iniquity",what necessitated this statement? In what context was the passage referring to?
Hope that's clear enough.

italo:
Luke could have left out certain details in each account depending on the message he was trying to convey and the audience.

If I want to tell you of the attack on Mubi with emphasis on how wicked terrorists can be, I can tell you of how they slit people's throats as they entered Mubi but leave out how the soldiers abandoned their posts until I want to tell someone else about the rot in the military.

I hope you can wrap your brain around it now.

Same story. Same story teller. Different perspectives. Both true. No contradiction.

@bolded...Since when did it become same story teller?Thought you said its different authors elaborating on details?
All I see is some whack peeps(just like you) trying so hard to cover their asses when they realised every little detail will matter when civilised people will start deciphering their work.Hence,all the annotations and doctoring and many additions,all to make the bible look authentic and pathetic brains like yours have been indoctrinated with its brainwashing!

ctuagent007:
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italo:
There cannot be a claim of contradiction if both statements can be true.

You agreed to that.

So my job here is just to show that both statements can be true...and I am doing that.

I am not assuming, I'm painting possible scenarios.

You are the one assuming that Judas paid for the land with the "same silver pieces," when the Bible doesn't necessarily say that.

If you want to debunk the Bible, at least debunk what it says, not what you want it to say.

Thank you.

If my friend who i am supposed to go out with called me on phone and asked: where are you?
And I answered: "I am coming.",I was being specific to him and he alone knows why I answered that "I am coming"...
Now,to any other person who does not know,they will likely inquire to know where I was going or what necessitated that response I made cuz they don't know,but the person I made that comment to knows!!
Specificity is the key question here bro..When the sentence "wages of iniquity" was made,what were they referring to at the particular time?

italo:
There is no contradiction since all stated above actually happened.

In different timelines/lifetimes I guess?

One writer only included details which the other didn't include.

Lol..The same writer wrote the two books bro!!

Another Contradiction:

Luke 24:50-53
[50] When he had led them out to the vicinity
of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed
them. [51] While he was blessing them, he left
them and was taken up into heaven. [52] Then
they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem
with great joy. [53] And they stayed
continually at the temple, praising God.
Acts 1:9-11
[9] After he said this, he was taken up before
their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their
sight.
[10] They were looking intently up into the sky
as he was going, when suddenly two men
dressed in white stood beside them. [11] "Men
of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here
looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who
has been taken (Greek analambano ) from you
into heaven, will come back in the same way
you have seen him go into

italo:
The iniquity could be stealing, for example. And he did keep the treasury.

John 12:6 (He said this not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief; he kept the common purse and used to steal what was put into it.)


It could be stolen money from the treasury...

Or it could even be that he acquired the land by his death on it. The Bible says "the wages of sin is death."--Rom 6:23...and Acts 1 goes on to explain how his death made everybody stay away from the land.

Or it could be that the Chief Priests bought the land in his name. That would make Judas the legal owner of the land according to the custom of the time.

As long as all the above are possible, you can't claim there is a contradiction.

You claim there was no contradiction and that it was in my mind,yet all your responses are mere assumptions of what "might"..
Keep assuming,that's how Christianity sells its falseness!!

italo:
It seems you very bitter with me because I am destroying all your arguments about seeming contradictions in the Bible in the other thread.

Calm down and make a reasonable argument instead of trying to win arguments by throwing insults.

Talk like a dignified human being, made in the image and likeness of God; not like an animal that's just like a random meaningless dust particle in the universe.

If you had brain,and is a reasonable dude as you perceive yourself to be, You should have answered the question in front of you instead of diverting to an off topic argument from another unrelated thread altogether!!
I don't have any beef with you,and it is very childish of you to think so.

Femmymata2:
I felt the bible didn't state categorically that the money judas got from betraying jesus is what he used to buy the field where he hanged himself. Judas seems to be a dishonest person who got money from evil schemes,. Hanging from a tree and falling headlong still not quite, i'm open to corrections though...

The bible categorically stated that he bought the field "with the wages of iniquity" …
What other iniquity were they referring to if not the betrayal?
If assumptions are to be made,could you give a dishonest and con man the treasury of your group to hold?
The truth is,Judas never believed Jesus would have submitted himself to be arrested,because he believed Jesus would have done one of his magic tricks and escaped as usual...
Hence the question:
What was the " wages of iniquity" referred to?

Horus:
Blue eyes are simply eyes that lack melanin. Blue eyes are more sensitive to sunlight and do not process light or produce sight as efficiently as brown eyes. Isn’t it funny how many people place divine qualities with blue eyes that are nothing but genetically defective?. Blond hairs are simply hairs that lack melanin. Through powerful propaganda and indoctrination, caucasians have devised a means to make it seem as though white people are supposed to be the most desirable people on the planet and that everyone wants to be like them and be around them. If you can see through the nonsense, then you will know what I mean. This is why we need to continue our crusade to decolonize the minds of African people to see through the nonsense propagated by white people to flatter themselves. Total ignorance can be fought with knowledge.

Do you do your crusades outside Nairaland too,or just strictly in Nairaland?

ifeness:
All the biblical figures never have a burial tomb. One would expect that a popular figure like Solomon would at least have a burial location. The Egyptian Pharaohs all had tombs and descriptions of the lives they lived,which were properly written on the walls of their various tombs But nothing can be found for Jesus,Isaac,Abraham,David,Moses....nothing.

Not even the Almighty Joseph,the Governor!

torchwave:
Op, was Jesus invented? Then Satan was invented, too, right?

If Jesus was invented, then Jacob, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Noah, the Ark, and the country we know today as Israel were also invented by Romans, right? Have this in mind, these names I mentioned have historical proofs of their existence today. Now we know the Ark has been discovered and we see Israel.

Was Jesus invented? Then Mohammed was also invented.

If Jesus was invented, then the clinical deaths (with proofs and witnesses who are not even Christians) and miraculous resurrection of many all over the world having the same testimony of seeing Jesus were also invented.
Therefore, the saying is true that if they don't believe the prophets, they will never believe even if one rises from the grave.

Then the existence of you and I was also invented.

It is certain everyone who has been born into this world from its beginning to its end will surely see God, dead or alive, saint or sinner. That is a promise from God Himself.
Op, I only hope that when you (finally) believe, it is not too late - there are no unbelievers/atheists in hell (or heaven).

A typical brainwashed christian..Your own brainwashing no get part2!

dbest01:
U didn't mention any way!

This should be titled, what u shouldn't do and wjat u should do when trying to convert an atheist

He just told you that you can't convert an atheist with anything related to the bible.Since no Christian today can say anything without reference to it,it means an atheist can't be drawn back to believe those childish silly bible stories..Capische?

italo:
Satan is using them to fight anything that is of God.

So how did Satan use her to fight against God?Did he appear to her and spoke to her? Did he possess her? Was he controlling her mind for her?
What is the correlation between "Fight against God" and "God is Woman" as the lady said?
Brainwashed lots,Always blaming Satan for everything.

Femmymata2:
Mr italo, thanks for clarifying on one of the assumed contradictions. As agnostic/athiest, i appreciate your intelligent respönse. Indeed, many of the percieved contradictions can be rationalized. But it would be difficult to state there are no contradictions at all in the bible, hope to see u address more of the seeming contradictiöns like what exactly mary saw on getting to the tomb of jesus. If the authors of the bible are inspired by God/holy spirit dön't u think they can give better less contradictory accounts. Authors led by the holyspirit shovld fare better than carnal authors

Sorry mate,what contradiction did he clarify?

italo:
I see! The contradiction was only 'in your mind.'

For a dude who believes a nigga who died on a tree is his savior and who believes Edens Fairytales are real,what you affirm in your mind is not my concern!!

italo:
Because I pointed out that it was you who said Judas purchased the land with "the same silver pieces?"

Wouldn't it be more sensible to show us where the Bible said so?

I could have,but then, I have shown what I had in mind!!

Weah96:
LOL, you're getting trolled by the resident caveman.

We just make trolls like them feel in charge of conversations so that they will be allowed to exhibit their stupidity as always!!

italo:
Firstly, the Bible didn't necessarily say the bold. It's you that said it.

You are just a dude on a clapham Omnibus!!

italo:
I dont see any contradiction there.

Can you show me?

Of course you won't...Are you not a Christian?
Your bible records that Judas threw the silver pieces he got from betraying Jesus to the floor of the temple and left,in another book,it records that he used the same silver pieces to purchase a land....
The question is,which do we believe?
2ndly,if its not a contradiction, then clarify me!!

italo:
I could clarify...but let me understand. You have suddenly abandoned your alleged contradiction of how he died...without explaining how it is a contradiction...only to jump to the issue of the silver pieces?

I don't know shaa,do you have problem understanding English?
Did the passages I quoted about how he died start with Judas Going to hang himself or spill his guts?
First things first....You were looking for a contradiction,and now you have it,so start from there....
Finally,I have not abandoned anything bro,I am just starting!!

[Double post]..

italo:
The point is you haven't even shown any contradiction...

Its like me calling you a thief and saying the onus is on you to disprove me.

So,what? I gave the reply you were going to give and you backed out and found another meaningless issue to hold onto and insert your cleverness in it?Great. .
Let me still give you the benefit of the doubt though and point out the contradiction:


Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver
in
the temple and departed,

After throwing down the pieces of silver and left according to Mathew,Luke said:

Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the
wages of iniquity

Do you mind clarifying that?
Let's start from here first bro...

italo:
Aren't you the one claiming it's a contradiction...without showing how?

I am the one telling you a contradiction in your book...Proving it is a contradiction is not my work as I didn't write it...
Disproving the contradiction is the work of you spirit-led fellas..The onus is on you to disprove it,not me to prove it!!