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They should work with intelligence report....closing down the entire market does not add up, there's more to I guess, let's here the full story before concluding

I see the challenge in the historical back and forth here,

It's a timeline challenge....

There's the pre oduduwa timeline
The oduduwa timeline
Immediate post oduduwa
The Portuguese era
The British era
And then Post british era ( regional govt)

You'll have muddled it up as one truth which is not the case.

Alll had different rulership scenarios at these timelines...( please note the timelines referenced are for illustration only,not the official timelines in any way).As such it is possible you are all correct to an extent....

Like many cities in the world, Different kingdoms ruled over Lagos at different times.

Fujiyama:
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Emergency nationalism is no nationalism.

The soldiers got it wrong (as usual). They probably thought they were dealing with ordinary Nigerians whom they beat, kick and flog at will with horsewhips...with no consequences or repercussions. Well...they thought wrong.

The foreigners said no. It is their country and they reserve the right to restrict entry.

It's not emergency, he has always championed the invictus games, they like the idea here and seek to copy and promote it. How is that a bad thing?

Fujiyama:
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Yes indeed.

At this very moment, millions of Canadians are shuffling around the streets of their country, heads bowed, gazing at their navels in the bitter cold.

They are all ashamed - and they should be. How dare their embassy do this sort of thing?

Completely agree.... shames on them,and we will remember.

It's a shame to the country she has not been retrieved,3 administration's after, a shame indeed

aylipple:
Doesn't matter if they were just 10 meant to go to Canada for the Invictus Games, my own is, what's the CDS going there to do?

As CDS, Gen. C.G Musa didn't respect himself, office & personality therefore, he brought the "disgrace" upon himself and the Nigerian Armed Forces in general; if I may ask, how many other CDS or equivalent from other countries are attending the Invictus Games?

It's called morale, and the CDS has shown interest in the games way before now

I'm not clear on what you all are insinuating,is it that the CDS cannot travel on his own without the toga of the games?

I'm sure you all are clear that is not the case

His efforts at attending was a laudable one..the shame here is on the Canadians,their feedback is noted.

So he realized she has no value when he turned 50. After using her all the while for himself,his kids and other kids from others

Responsibility in men means a man takes charge of a family unit and it's future amongst many other things. In women it means sacrifices for that family unit trusting in the effort of the team to bring great rewards for all parties in future. This new mentality been perpetuated is for the women to learn from,never sacrifice your growth for anyone,never marry a man that is not responsible.

Lastly this ideology usually comes from men who grow up underprivileged. Those who grow up in wealth cater for their spouses mental and financial well being even in divorce. Women should do better.Not every man is a MAN

Blazetrailer:
Its better to keep mum than make silly and irrelevant statements that will make you a butt of jokes in the diplomatic community.

How many Canadian govt officials jostle to come to Nigeria like the CDS was angling and crying to want to go to Canada?

They see coming to Nigeria as a form of punishment,reserved for their wordt perfomibg officials. There was a reason they moved their embassy from VI in Lagos, to Ghana.

Deny them visa, they will be happy. Who wants to go to the shithole anyway? After the December oblee... who dey visit Nigeria? nothing to do for naija again. Ile igbe(shithole)

Jokes on you when it happens,and it will happen

lexy2014:
Is it Nigeria that was not given visa or CDS Musa?

Where were you and Matawalle when several Nigerians are also denied visas on a daily?

Does Canada owe CDS Musa visa?

Which work was he going to do for Nigeria in Canada?

CDS musa to a large extent represents Nigeria

Nigeria has shown great interest in this kind of games for celebrating war veterans ,the military and CDS appear to be very interested in promoting this strategy

It makes a lot of sense too for a country like ours

They invited Harry when he was pariah for that purpose,and now they finally get to understudy it

Why would Canada deny them visas and you all don't see it as aseju

It's for us to deny every single Canadian to nigeria visa in response... For like 1 year to start with

You all will ask how it affects them,... Statement noni..dass all. Statement,we must make our own statement through visa denial in return. I'm sure very soon one their big fish will also forget and want to waka waka to Nigeria,... That will also be the time

Where they should arrest an din estimate they will be looking...

How do you take away the light source of a whole tertiary center, imagine he lives that would have been affected

The way these people are turning us entry to gold standard for political approval is just embarrassing

They should please stop it

The ops problem with this is that they are women

Small minds indeed

What were they doing when ngos were hyping and promoting that nonsense...sleeping as usual and not thinking ahead.


Our ability to speak fluent English places us at an advantage ahead of many Asian countries and others to compete for offers on the global stage

If they like they should relegate that advantage and make English a super costly skill to aquire like in Korea

It is still the same poor and their children they strive to protect that will suffer.not all policies in in our interest long term,we should raise global citizens,promoting bilinguism is different from promoting mother tongue teaching primarily....

WrriterNg:
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Its worth looking into,maybe the rumors of the land beyond the wall is true,of giants and their powers

Maybe the Denmark patrol dogs would trully not suffice

Counting on trump to spill the tea...

What is in Greenland?

Why does the world freedom depend on it?

Let children be children.



Another silly trend about to start

Let us all remember that a horde of foreign nationals were caught recently doing online scam from a place in nigeria

Traced to nigeria does not mean nigerian

Those places do not deserve to be called universities

They perpetuate the culture of toxicity in the work place and society, they eradicate free creative thinking raising minions and drones.

it's simple abused people become abusers. If you have money,send your kids abroad, public universities in Nigeria are way better than the charlatans save a few

I have studied this situation some more,

The parents were not greedy,they only wanted better lives for their children. They were to be given gifts and scholarships,first come first serve basis.I think the scholarship part got to them.

It's sad all around, no one could have anticipated that crowd.... that early... and the desperation.... sad all around

Let's see how it plays out... for west Africa the real MVP has always been and is Nigeria.


Nigeria is worth all of them combined multiplied by about 5. Know that and you start to wonder if they know what they are doing at all.

Nigeria should not interfere at all, just please secure our borders by ALL means,(which it seems we are doing more now) and then watch.... patiently watch

DrBrainstorm:
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Exactly, the world wars fast tracked a lot of the major advancements, it is suffice to say war was and is still one of the catalyst for technological advancement, from siege engines in the ancient times to nuclear weapons today. In fact, the United States military was behind the birth of the modern Internet .

It wasn't just the wars, it was the scramble for scientists after the war and the main question of the source of their science....

Sad you all didn't know that the major advances in science globally happened over a very recent period in history, like over the last 100 years thereabout,specifically post world war 2

The exact source of the tech is also still in contention, and for this black children denigrate their history....this is self hating at its peak. Technology everywhere is borrowed or reinvented... give a black child the knowledge and enviroment from childhood and watch him outperform any race, ...

Lastly I don't hink the call should be for them to be set free without a trial, that's disrespectful to those that died and their families,

the call should be that they can be granted bail while the case goes on till the crimes are ascertained.

Remember not only the ex queen was arrested, and in truth there may have been horendously poor planning somewhere in all these cases, like I said, the full information is not in public, so no one should be hasty in making conclusions.

Ishilove:
It seems you are not up to date about the chronology of events. Are you aware that the event was scheduled to start at 10am, and the security personnel that was to handle the crowd control was to resume at 8am, but our fellow Nigerians had assembled there as early as 3am and started their tossing their kids over the fence like burglary tools as early as 4am when honest people were still in bed. The processing you mentioned was going to begin at 10 am when the event started. Between 6am and 7am, our brethren became too impatient and proceeded to break down the gate, and it is that point that the kids were trampled to death.

The problem again has been that there has been no official version of the timeline of what and how it happened in public, so majority of what the public knows is rumor based, I am yet to see in full detail anywhere of how 35 children were stampeded to death,majority is heresy and that's really disturbing

A major problem with this disaster is that a new precedent is been set in Nigeria.Where anyone can be arrested for been associated with an event without clarity or complete honesty on the purpose of the arrest

Have people actually read the charges against the woman? I've been searching for what exactly makes the accused culpable, so others can learn from it... but Going by the charges in court .... it's still not clear, cos I don't think it will be easy to proove.

Plus those charges look like something that will be struck out or lost eventually with a good lawyer so why detain them till then when they are not a flight risk... ?



Lastly,what do we need future organizers to learn from this (police wise, I mean what does the police want future organizers to know so as not to be culpable, the fact that stampedes happened in at least 3 different areas in Nigeria and kids were involved, means everyone needs to adjust their planning to the times)...

.so what makes an organizer culpable? Or what makes it that if a stampede such happens before or during said event Organizere can be arrested

Is it that organizers are responsible for security at the venue 24 hrs ahead, and after, or "have ambulance service nearby", or hire professional or certain number of security support in large teams for crowd control set to the population you are expecting, could there be a set standard for this, and would this be the police responsibility so inform police ahead?


what exactly is the action point that makes organizers liable to be arrested should the crowd go haywire which is a likely Nigerian thing...

Abuja and anambra may have been prevented if those were addressed clearly , and the recommended action I recalled after all then ,was to take police approval before such giveaways.

it is a sad thing to see children die, not just 1 but many, very sad, and it must NEVER happen again in our land...it is also sad to see good men in jail for doing good that went bad, let's all know how to ensure this never happens again

TopBanter:
The police are not even obligated to make charges public. Ever. Most just assume that is the case. It is only high profile cases, like the P Diddy saga you mentioned, that things play out before the general public.

The police only have to inform the arrested individual, within legally stipulated time limit, of charges they face. They are allowed to arrest on suspicion and then investigate to determine whether charges will apply or not.

Ooni's ex and her co-defendants should make public their charges when such are brought against them. We all should respect boundaries and let the police do their job.

I cite the us response to the Boston marathon bombing and stampede that followed. This too was a disaster level incident.

We should also add Nigerians should be engaged and take some responsibility for their own safety too, if a place is getting crowded, please leave immediately.

If you can't leave start to coordinate yourselves by yourself till you can find a way out or things get better organized

Nigerian are unruly, this is an opportunity to address this collectively, especially were there are children, lastly this is not about poverty only, it's about dignity... the yorubas say how a person will behave when he is rich,commences when he is poor,

Even the poor too should start to set standards for safety , it's only the person that's alive that gets to hope for a better future. May the souls of those that passed rest in peace and their families get fortitude to bear the loss

May organizers learn from this so it never happens again in our land

This is not the piece we asked for, we asked for what happened, why and how it happened, what was done and how to prevent it and what exactly makes organizers culpable in that situation, this information is needed as per each stampede incident.

If this was done as regards the ibadan incident on Wednesday, perhaps the abuja and anambra organizers could have learnt a thing or two from it thereby preventing the other stampedes and their subsequent arrest

And before anyone says wrongly again that the authorities owe no one any statement, please remember these were disaster level incidents in some of the cases, responders were overwhelmed...

Let us bring to our recollection the response of the US to the Boston marathon bombing, there were statements immediately after and subsequently....

Times have changed and obviously the requirement for charity as changed too, 3 stampedes in succession is no coincidence, I ask again what happened and what makes organizers culpable so everyone actually learns from this and lives get to be saved in future

Also to be clear, 35 children dying is a disaster....

There should have been a report and press briefing on what happened, how it happened, why it happened, what was done about it and how it can be prevented in future

The fact that 2 other large scale stampedes happened in quick succession makes it more important than ever

This is the most important information to be shared now to prevent such occurrences, not just that some people have been arrested, and everyone is relying on rumors for what happened. I don't get why that is not clear.

NO ONE wants to see any other stampede or deaths due to stampedes at charity events or any event, but obviously the planning and logistics too will need to be different than before. what needs to be done differently, why is no one addressing that?

TopBanter:
In what nation of the world must the police forces seek your approval to arrest and prosecute? Investigations are not conducted in public view.

There is no obligation for police or security forces of nations to share details of their work with you.

Investigations occur before persons are arrested and charged to court,

You are right they do not need to share the finest details of the case but in a case such as this, the public will know the charges and why.

Example is the famous p Diddy case, you can read the charges, so how is that asking for too much before you arrest priests and Co also for stampede at their events.... remember this is not just about the ex queen,it's about precedent been set right before our eyes

It's about what do organizers need to do in future not to be culpable

By your logic we will have to wait for the end of the tediously long Nigerian legal cases to get the answer, during which they will probably be locked up, how does that help future event plannere

2. It's a obligation not to me but to the public to ensure justice is been seen to be served, right now that is not very clear, there is a looot of doubt in that matter

3. Let us all remember those that have actually experienced stampedes at their distribution of items in the past, there are media records to that effect, remember the outcomes of this situation this time will also establish retrospective guilt for those that may have been overlooked

So my question again, what exactly makes them eligible for arrests and continued detention

Meanwhile from everything inside this write up the only thing op saw is palace addresses ex queen by her father's name... some people are not well at all