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MorrowCaligari:
every prophet is the prophet of islam. Jesus included, but Moses is the only person thats close to filling your description.

Annunaki:
And you truly did a very good job of exposing islam. Thanx to your post and that of others I was challenged to study islam further and was able to see for myself that it is truly a satanic religion.

MorrowCaligari:
Mr.kun, you cant win, you guys have been doing this for a very long time but it seems it yields no result. instead of you to focus on helping your brothers who are falling out of fate like they should in numbers you are here obsessing about muslims.

deaf dumb and blind you truly are.

Richirich713:
I believe he is Jesus , and it's not a problem to my Trinitarians beliefs, since he is called Yahweh / God in the old testament.



Yes, but I believe jesus became flesh, he enter into creation, but he never stop being the Word of God which held everything together.



Yes after he became human he depended on the father but that doesn't mean he stop being divine, the word of God. He remained divine nd eternal as the word.

Richirich713:
Yes in the sense that he is divine/God and uncreated. So he can be called Yahweh / God / Lord of Lords / eternal etc.

But not in the sense that he is the trinity.

No he is not a father to himself, when we say jesus is God we mean he is divine , the father is in him nd he is in the father.

U see u think of jesus as a created being, I believe he is the uncreated word of God. Evens tho I don't believe he is the father I can't separate him from the father cuz they are one in unity.

Look at the muslim beliefs, it's difficult for them to explain how Allah can be one with the his word/quran but he is not the word/quran. That's y muslims made the word tawhid to explain the unity between Allah nd his Word.

In the same way christians made the word trinity to explain the unity between the word of God,It's something u just can't separate.

If I were to say the father is god without his word, it's like asking is the father still God without his power or wisdom.

U see the difficulty in the question, I can't separate the power or wisdom from God for his wisdom, power and word is one with him and in him.

Do u see wat I mean jesus is in the father and the father is in him ?

If u interested , Here a christian apologist who explains it better than me :


http://christianthinktank.com/howtrin.html

ari3l:
Everyone has seen this. But be reasonable for once, with all avoidable doubts, with the extent of bans on islam in several Nations, do you need a prophet to tell you that something is very wrong somewhere.

[size=16pt]If I enlist nations which has banned Islam or the others threatening to, you would be surprised.
No one is happy for loss in islam,but your ISIS brothers chose it so. Funny Prince of Kuwait, a die hard Islam... is now a Christian. Stop living in folly of 2010... this is 2015. Islam isn't the world's fastest growing religion anymore. Read from Wikipedia [/size]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_population_growth

And here https://muslimstatistics./2014/11/04/350-million-muslims-are-secretly-living-lives-as-christian-converts/

And question is why? Let me answer you. Read here

"Because of the extreme persecution against Christians taking place all across the Middle East we have decided not to publish the source or details of this data or where this converted populations live in the Islamic world out of consideration for their security and safety. It is our opinion that the mass slaughter of Christians taking place right now is exactly due to the fact that millions of Muslims have converted to Christianity and authorities and Salafis are aware that changes are taking place and trying to put a stop to it."

Brother. Jesus loves you. Stop deceiving yourself. Islam isn't the way.

Tradition said that when he was twelve he accompanied his uncle on a commercial journey to Syria, where they met a Syrian Monk called Bahira, who recognized in the youngman the characteristics of a Prophet. He advised his uncle to take care of Muhammad always and to mistrust especially the Jews who might do harm to him if they ever learned of the Prophetic mission he would be called to fulfill.

Annunaki:
Honestly islam is beyond sick, a lot of their ideologies and doctrines border on lunacy. It still beats my imagination how normal human beings remain muslim after reading the quoran.

basilico:
Saudi exports wahabbism and those wahabbis want the house of Saud out.
They have been funding terror and now the terrorists want to get rid of the Saud family rule.

basilico:
A link maybe?
Saudi sponsored mosques world wide espouse the radical wahabbi ideology.
Wahabbism is reliving the practice of prophet Muhammad the inventor of Islam.
Kill,rape,conquer, dominate, etc which Allah and his prophet preached.
Do I need to write more on the evils Allah allowed his prophet to perpetuate?

mamsong9:
What is Christianity?

salawustyles:
problem is that you accepted the old testament is irrelevant,we never said the quran is irrelevant and we will forever object it as muslims,you destroyed your own holybook yourself by calling it irrelevant,if you dont belive in it and think its irrelevant so you should expunge it from your religion

Richirich713:
No I haven't ignore them, as I said hebrew idioms is usually strange to us cuz we a modern western culture. It u who ignore them.

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known"
(John 1:18)

This verse says no one can see the father.

And just like u said people who claimed to see God saw Jesus, that's exactly what Trinitarians believe, jesus is divine, he is eternal, he is one with God. The father is in the son and the Son is in the father.

I learned a little hebrew while reading books on the bible , I'm still learning but at the moment I too busy to continue, I just remember some stuff I read.

Here a small example of how I learned at first.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/m/faqs.html

Most of the books I use on hebrew comes from this site.

maverickboy:

Richirich713:
The most high inspire Isaiah to write what he wrote.
if moses or Isaiah called jesus Yahweh Almighty, shouldn't he correct them?

I don't ponder over those verses cuz I believe in the trinity.

So to me Isaiah can correctly call jesus Yahweh, for Yahweh name is within jesus.

Just like when the holy spirit is called Yahweh in the Old Testament.

But anyway, when the bible says moses spoke to God face to face it was using a hebrew idiom, a figure of speech to show how close moses relationship is to God.

That's why I go look at the hebrew not the English only. A translation doesn't tell the full story, just like
"El Shaddai" which is usually translated as God Almighty.

twosquare:
(1) Not just angels alone, Prophets are also servants....Amos 3:7: Surely the Lord Yahweh will do nothing, unless he reveals his secret to his servants the prophets. Therefore, going by your own method of analysis...Jesus is also a Prophet.

(2) Yeah, He is now the express image of His person, the Father leaves all judgement to the Son.... The Father is the negative, Jesus is the positive .... The Father has remained darkened to men, Jesus is the only Man who can unveil Him....Do you want to see the negative of a picture? Develop it and you will see the actual....That's Jesus for you.

(3) He was the Word in the beginning, but now His title has changed to the Son of God (God in human flesh)....Another type of race that has never been...God can't give it to angels but only to the Adamic race..God is now in man and man is now in God forever..that's the essence and ultimate sacrifice that the Word paid...It's more than the forgiveness of sin...reason He is worshipped. Angel cannot worship another angel. And angels cannot worship anything less than God.

(4) The second person in trinity is a Man...the first Man was glorified by the reason of inheriting the things of God the Father ...Jesus of Nazareth was lower than angels just like Adam...the Adamic person who stood in Eden is like the angels before the fall....Jesus is a Man and still have that property in Him, but not after the order of the first Adam...This man is now Christo.

(5) Again, He is a man.....Paul revealed this secret....Your quote: God is not a man (That is a revelation by Balaam who is saying He is not after the order of fallen men that practices a lie (we all know who is the father of it) and Balaam doesn't even know the plan of God about the end of days which was preached to Abraham. Even this caught Satan by surprise. He doesn't believe God can descend so low even unto the point of Adam, and downwards into hell. Listen to Paul: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)
...................................First time you can hold God and catch Him, if He wasn't reduced to a man, they will not be able to nail Him to a cross.

(6) Please change your thoughts. it is evident that you're still thinking after the order of the first Adam, the second Adam who is on the throne doesn't need a mother...He was not even born of a woman (I hope you know what that means). Adams are not born of women. Perhaps you've forgotten: There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

(7) That will still bring me to the question you haven't answered: Who are the sons of men?

Among those born of woman, none is greater than John......

Richirich713:
I don't get u. U say

1) the father is Yahweh Almighty nd cannot be seen.

2) but when we are told in the old testament Yahweh was seen by Isaiah, Moses etc u say it must have been jesus.

3)Yet jesus isn't Yahweh but is being called Yahweh by Isaiah nd moses.

Richirich713:
That's the whole point, Isaiah saw Yahweh, u say any1 wu claimed to see Yahweh saw Jesus,

So why don't u call jesus Yahweh, if u believe Isaiah did it ?

Richirich713:
This is not about seeing the father, this is what u said, that any1 wu claimed to see Yahweh has in fact saw Jesus.

If Isaiah called jesus Yahweh, why don't u call him Yahweh?

If we are to trust God when He told Moses that No one can see Him and live, we will admit that everyone who claim to have seen Yahweh in scriptures has infact, Saw Jesus. But not the Father of Jesus.

twosquare:
The greatest power that equals the power of resurrection is turning a creator to a creature.... Did you even read the Philippians I asked you to read?

Yes..... There are three, not even two... One is with us, two is in heaven.. They are subject to one another and that's the way of God. One left His world as an agreement between them (to save us). When He went back, He didn't arrive as the Word any longer but a Man who entered into divinity and was pronounced God. The sacrifice is that He won't take the form of the Word any longer but that of human (flesh). Now, He is not ashamed to call us brethren because we have someone who is God-Man (both God and Man).

Want to know if you understand the scriptures: Who are the son of men or who is a son of man?

Richirich713:
'Woe to me!' I cried. 'I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty.' Isaiah 6:5


So here Isaiah saw Jesus and called him Yahweh.

If u believe Isaiah saw Jesus and called him Yahweh Almighty , why don't u call jesus Yahweh like Isaiah did?

Richirich713:
Why say he is Yahweh, u just said urself if anyone saw Yahweh they saw Jesus , when Isaiah said he saw Yahweh, he saw Jesus right?

If that's the case why dont u call jesus Yahweh like Isaiah did.

Ps the father sends his Word just like he sends his spirit.
Again no man can see God and live. You cant ignore that verse. If we agree Isaiah and other prophets saw God. Then the bible is not consistant. I still stand on the fact that no man has ever seen God. Its what the bible says not me.

[quote]"For even if there are so called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords", yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1 Corinthians 8:4-6

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." Deuteronomy 6:4

It is known and agreed by many scholars paul is rearranging the Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4 using the Septuagint. Something which I agree with so I have no problem with the above.

Amazingly Isaiah gives all the same titles to the father except for one. But I'm sure u will not say the father is a mighty God.

Exactly what Trinitarians believe , when people said they saw Yahweh they saw Jesus not the Father.

The problem with ur view is u don't call jesus Yahweh, Isaiah did.

I thought u believe only the father is Yahweh and only he can be called Yahweh.

Richirich713:
Names in hebrew also are very significant, look at what Yahweh means in hebrew.