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Many things are exaggerated joor...

Rent...wetin happen...sew according to your size na
Car (must you buy new car on loan?)
Phone bill for...why not stick to only broadband sub and use just mobile telephony (O2 £10monthly + data)
Monthly Groceries...haba (Except na family of 3+ sha)

Things can be kept a tad simpler...to realize better monthly savings

missjekyll:
this gentleman's problem is paying more than 50% for rent. He obviously cannot afford to live at his current address or should get a better paying job. rent should be no more than 20-25% of monthly salary. na 85 pounds e go dey save. at this rate he will retire with 10k which will run out in the first year

I have about 500k in naira...looking for GBP.
If you need Naira, hola!

preciouschiomy:
I need 10,000 naria. If you are interested. Please let me know

Aphrodite007:
Is as if you want them to cut your head

Habaaa... na death sentence?

Uzland:
Wow! Glad you're alive to share this testimony.

Hahahaha... this your name is scary my friend.

FraudMan:
Guys what are the possible scenarios that one can use to achieve this 10yrs long residency thing. Let’s assume the person is starting with a Student visa (undergraduate)....

No insults pls and I hope justwise won’t take down my post because this has nothing to do with cheating a system or being fraudulent.

You see the wahala here?
Maybe at the end of the day, the company decides not to progress with him, the narrative will be that he was more qualified and was denied employment because of his visa status.
Meanwhile the rules are pretty clear.

It is well, na we smart pass, na we qualify pass, yet na we dey fall our hand pass.

What’s difficult in condemning people that try to cheat a system?

If at the end, this company realizes that the Nigerian gave incomplete information during his application, do you think Nigerians stand any chance of being considered for interviews by them in the future? What are the chances?

Would you blame them if they decide not to waste time considering any Nigerian application in the future?

Who lose last last? Na me and you.

justwise:
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Bad idea, to start with..he can't work full time during term time and the company will not even take him on that.

Let him speak to the company about his situation, ask them to allow him take up the employment after graduation.

He will be breaking his student visa rule if he takes up this employment while still on student visa

I'm surprised though that the company is even willing to employ him while still on student visa..maybe he did not give the company all the info.

Let him do things the proper way to avoid regret pretty soon.

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Yimi4real:
Hello, please I need help. Came in to the Uk September with my family. Either myself or hubby wants to start driving ASAP..especially cause of school runs and moving about as a family. We came with international drivers license and we have a car to use but which insurance would you recommend that is flexible and more pocket friendly. Hoping to learn from your experience please. At least we can drive till license expires then do a few paid lessons later and test. Please advise. Thank you

Thanks sir.

justwise:
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Why are disagreeing with me when the highlighted part of your post just confirmed what I said.

You are over qualified but they did not take you because they preferred someone else...probably white / European.
Is not because you are holding Nigerians passport because if they really want to give you the job they will despite the passport you are holding.

A bottle of beer for you sir.

TrumpsWall:
You were denied simply because they didn't want you. Based on my experience, companies can go through the length of hiring anyone they feel is most suited for a role despite RLMT. How can you even tell you were more than qualified than the other candidates when you never saw their resume?

I’m sorry bros... but please stop nagging over a lost job cos you are Nigerian... many people don see same and it’s not an issue. You are still standing right? Then celebrate that.

Someone here (a Nigerian on this thread) already generalized and castigated any dealings with the Pakistans some pages ago... cos of his experience with them.

Some of have done same with various nationalities... what then is the issue if some other chose to do same with you?

A recruiter once told me that the organization didn’t have any reason for not wanting me shortlisted for final interviews.. deep down, I inferred it could be cos of my nationality/race.
I told him outright that it was their loss... not mine...and moved on.
They have every right to do whatever they chose to do... na their company..na me dey find work.
Why not canvass to change the Nigerian narrative.

Go see what people are doing with student visa and agents to cheat the system... go find out.

RalphJean:
This statement is CATEGORICALLY untrue.
There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence to back it up.

The Only 'evidence' is that it was happening by virtue of the UK being a member of the EU.
I can prove that I had previously been denied a job (which I was more than qualified for) because I hold a Nigerian Passport.
What no one can prove is that EU citizens will ALWAYS get preferential treatment post-Brexit.

Not gonna comment more on this.
But I see gross sense of entitlement...
It’s their f**king country and their f**king rules...
We either deal with or leave it...

The Chinese and Americans have basically taken over all major road construction projects in Nigeria... we complain about this situation.
Now here is a govt that decides to prioritize its citizens and continental union over others... and it’s become an issue...cos we are Nigerians? Abegi!

Follow the rules as it is... if it gets better, then it gets better for us all... but I’m not sure the UK govt does anything without placing its citizens first!
This is not about being smarter in a test or being better qualified... this is about patriotism and being proud of a union that cares about its member states citizens ... its the right thing!
I lost similar opportunities and didn’t nag about it...cos I know the rules... it’s a UK/EU first society... so WTF? If leaving the EU gives me an equal chance of tier 2 sponsorship, then fine... it doesn’t mean the old ways were wrong; it just means that the UK govt has refreshed its policies and priorities for a better society living without the EU membership.

Let nigeria or AU do theirs, I’m sure we’ll be proud too...

These comments are just not right...

Apparently this is a Nigerian fora, so people won’t like this kinda comment... but IDGAF! It is what it is... we either deal with or leave it!

RalphJean:
...At the moment, a UK employer who wants to sponsor someone for a Tier 2 (General) visa – the main type – usually has to carry out a resident labour market test (RLMT).

This involves advertising the job in a special way for 28 days to see if there are any suitable settled workers available to fill the vacancy. Roughly speaking, a settled worker is a British or European Economic Area national, or someone who has indefinite leave to remain in the UK.

If any suitable settled workers apply (who meet the minimum requirements of the job) then you have to offer the job to them, rather than the non-EEA national you want to sponsor, even if the person you want to sponsor is the better candidate.


Biko, see the bolded.

How a Nigerian would actually think that that is fair is beyond me. Unless it's a Nigerian that has not had the (mis)fortune of having an employer look them in the eye and said:
"Well, based on the interviews, you performed well. Your practical skills are exactly what we needed. However, there is this guy from xyz country, that we will have to hire (instead of you) because he is from xyz while you are from F**king Nigeria".

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You are allowed an additional bag for the baby...in it you can carry your baby food and stuff. Immigration shouldn't disturb you for this.

Check your airline luggage allowance for an infant (less than 2 year olds).

Chreze:
Hi Guys,

When traveling from Nigeria with a baby, do you get the exemption to carry your baby food and drink in his baby bag or will those immigration guys reject it. Traveling with a baby for the first time. I want to believe a baby should have access to his stuffs, but you know Naija like to make one angry, I am trying to avoid that.

If possible what best to pack aside diapers. Please people with experience help.

Thanks and Regards

Who snow epp?
Abeg make that thing dey one side.
South east haven't had lots of snow...hope it stays so till this winter season is over.
Meanwhile I heard everywhere white in the north...

Why north things always dey different sef (all over the world)...

missjekyll:
once I leave the plane,I go straight to my other gate. That's where I look at duty free,have food or get on my phone. Not enough to know which gate, I have to physically be there.

Never missed a flight.

Merry Christmas Everyone�. No sign of snow here in the South West as usual

I really want to give a response to this...
But I doubt I am in the right capacity to... I still be smallie for the matter...

However, one thing I know is, an excellent spirit never fails to shine anywhere.

Now don't mistake excellence (in this context) for intelligence, studious or hardwork...

I'm talking about positive attitude, character, will, focus, persistence and perseverance...

If your friend (or anyone who feels like taking such life decision) can reckon with those attributes...come add small book plus brain join... He'll survive eventually...e no get how...

...and no, this isn't me trying to be motivational bla bla...naaahhhh

I wish him well...even as he analyzes the 'professional' advices given by NLers thus far...

Fuhrerfran6:
Hi Guys,

Merry Christmas in Advance and hope you all are doing great!

A good friend of mine is about to use his entire savings ( well enough to cover the necessary financial obligations) to migrate to the U.K using the student visa route.

I would love to ask on his behalf, from experienced folks here if the move is really worth it.

What are his chances of further settling in the UK? From what I have read so far the UK is not so friendly via immigration.

He has a Bsc in architecture and have toiled to raise the funds. I'm just too concerned and wouldn't want him to make a mistake.

P.S: I know this is not the right thread for this question but wouldn't mind if a jolly fellow educates us.

Thank you!

Jesus Christ! I laughed hard just now as I saw this! Oga HR, were you once upon a time, a practsing lawyer?
No wonder you like argument

TheGuyFromHR:
Remove law from that list.
Leave the other two.
Just so we don't give our lawyer friends too much hope o.

Very well said...
Exact point I was trying to make...
Good tidings my people.

donbuscka:
You are very correct.
He asked me to move over to Nigeria with my family to prove a point, but the fact is that you dont know why i am here in the UK and you dont know my plans either. I could be studying, working as an expatriate for a multinational corporation, lecturing, doing research or smth.

Your point is my point too. There is no standard to it. If anyone says Nigeria is paying them, let them be. If anyone says UK is paying them, let them stay. And if anyone has been to UK and prefer to return to Nigeria, dont see them as defeated or losers. While if anyone has always been in Nigeria and wants to migrate to UK by all cost, dont call then desperate. Different strokes for different folks.

All we can do as people who have travelled is to offer real time advice and allow people to make their choices.

Shalom

I collect it...
...and send one right back...

Contra5:
Glad to know you were joking. Sending you socially distance hugs

This is another of such situations where you are both right!

You are speaking from a point of conviction, equity and fairness...
The other guy is speaking from a point of policy and data available to him.

You both have the right to both point of view...its not wrong...

Make i run comot before them use me settle quarrel.

justwise:
Bros all these you are saying is not my business, i sent an item, paid and i want it delivered. If my item is lost i want the value of the item paid and NOT Royal mail value. I will get that money including the cost of court case no matter how long it takes.

Oya you win my almighty HR... Na so una always dey do o... HR people.
Abeg chop knuckle...

One corona drink for you...give me time and location...hope say you dey same tier 4 like me..

TheGuyFromHR:
For equivalence, specifications are required.
You say "A family of 4" or a "single person" etc.
A single person on 15k p.a. (UK monthly minimum wage is in the range of 1.2k to 1.3k) outside London, Edinburgh et al (let's take Aberdeen) can realistically achieve a take home of 400 quid monthly on a tight budget (room with utilities say 500, transport say 80 - 100, feeding anything up to 200)., and paying basic rate tax on 3k after personal allowance of 12k 5 is deducted.

A single person on Nigeria's monthly minimum wage of 30k pcm outside Lagos, PH and Abuja (let's take Enugu) can realistically achieve almost nothing a month take home (bedsit rent of 10k monthly, transport maybe 4-5k, feeding/utilities about 10k).

That's a better comparison.

* Figures roughly estimated.

Bros look my post na...

I explicitly stated that my analogy was loosely defined.
I also explicitly stated that my analogy was void of any economic indices...

Should I quote my previous comments...so you see?

Abeg take am easy...na celebration period we suppose dey o... This COVID-19 sef...see what you have caused!

TheGuyFromHR:
For equivalence, specifications are required.
You say "A family of 4" or a "single person" etc.
A single person on 15k p.a. (UK monthly minimum wage is in the range of 1.2k to 1.3k) outside London, Edinburgh et al (let's take Aberdeen) can realistically achieve a take home of 400 quid monthly on a tight budget (room with utilities say 500, transport say 80 - 100, feeding anything up to 200)., and paying basic rate tax on 3k after personal allowance of 12k 5 is deducted.

A single person on Nigeria's monthly minimum wage of 30k pcm outside Lagos, PH and Abuja (let's take Enugu) can realistically achieve almost nothing a month take home (bedsit rent of 10k monthly, transport maybe 4-5k, feeding/utilities about 10k).

That's a better comparison.

* Figures roughly estimated.

Chop your own too sir/ma...
Cheers to a healthier season ahead...

icon8:
Chop e-hug, bros/sis
Thanks for the maturity, and please accept my apologies if I came across as argumentative or feisty.
Have yourself a merry little Christmas

Ok boss.
Let me clarify what you call misinformation.

When you wanna send down £1k back to Nigeria...and it hits your family's bank account... What is the equivalence of that transaction in Naira? 500-600k.

Is there any mathematical template that would ever define £15k in anyway as being equivalent to N30k?

Again, there is no need for argument.
If you feel I am misinforming people, I am sorry.

Na learn everybody still dey learn...

Equivalence is all I was talking about.

icon8:
The essence of my post was never to win. How could I engage in a competition with an anonymous stranger? Who gives the medal and to whose benefit?

All I sought to do was set the records straight, in response to your comparison of a £1k earner in the UK with the equivalent 500-600k earner in Nigeria. Those were your words, not mine.

This is a public forum, widely accessed and relied upon by a lot of folks back home in making decisions. It’s in everyone’s interest to challenge misinformation and clarify misconceptions, lest we lead people astray.

See the reason why you are more interested in wining an argument than actually having a conversation?

When on earth did I mention that a 500k earner hit a jackpot by earning £15k in the UK?

My brother/sister, bless you o...
But try calm down, if you must respond, read slowly and try understand what a post is saying.

I feel you just more interested in arguing a point.

And this is me not really arguing with you but identifying gaps in your rendition of my penned-down thoughts... Isn't it funny?

icon8:
There’s a lot of reasons people emigrate, and economic reason is only one of them.

For purely economic reasons, no one will leave a 500k plus monthly salary job in Naija to settle for a £15k job (per annum) in the UK. I know that because I’ve been in that situation and I know the reality.

They could however take the £15k job as a stepping stone (a foot in the door) while working towards their dream role, but I repeat, if you’ve ever earned 500k monthly in Naija, a £15k job per annum would never seem like a jackpot to you. Door opener? Yes. But jackpot? Hell NO!

PS: I quite understand that people make sacrifices and take pay cuts to be with their family, move to saner climes, and all that. Those are other considerations outside of economics and are hardly relevant to this discourse.

Bros, nobody dey debate with you. Must we always have arguements to have a winner or loser?
Its fine, you win...im sure someone out there who understands the point will find this discussion useful.
And for the records, I never mentioned that a 500k earning Nigerian is a low income earner... You probably need to read slowly and comprehend before engaging in debates...lol

icon8:
This defies every logic and rational reasoning. How could you refer to someone earning 500-600k monthly in Nigeria as a low income earner, just by virtue of foreign exchange comparison?

FYI, that income bracket is top 5 percentile in Nigeria, and is only earned by mid to senior management staff, including senior medical doctors and professors. Whereas, the so-called equivalence of £1k is earned by some of the lowest earners in the UK.

Let’s be careful and guided in our comparison, please! At least, compare apples with apples, not apples with oranges.

I’ll help you with this. Compare the life of a medical doctor (or a professor) in Nigeria with that of their counterparts in the UK. No need to do any foreign exchange conversion, as that would be relative comparison rather than absolute. I’m happy to engage in that debate, not the one you put out up there.

Hahahaha... Thats why I said 'loosely'.

Definitely, if N30k was equivalent to £15k, people struggling to come down to Europe/UK for no too plenty. You get...lol

Many people leave their 500k+ jobs in Nigeria to come settle for £15k jobs here... and just try adjust to the new realities...

On the other hand, someone earning 30k in Nigeria and comes here to secure a £15k job will probably say he's hit a jackpot!

That really is equivalence... In my opinion sha...

LagosismyHome:
A low income in UK would be like less that minimum wage so let say 15k pound .... to compare that with naija you have to use naija minimum wage which is 30k naira per month

Can a family of 4 survive with 30k naira a month in naija ? Not to talk of thrive ...

You not supposed to be able to work 'outside your employed role...'

See image below as defined by a t2 permit.

Aprokodaughter:
Hmmm...this is a new for me. I thought was only those on startup visa that can work.

Thought it was the other way round.

Hehehe... Ok let me explain what that statement infers:

Imagine someone earning £15k per annum here in the UK.
Thats less than £1k monthly... Or let's say £1k monthly. Yea?

The term equivalent in my statement 'losely' refers to someone earning an equivalent of £1k in naira.
So say, a 500k - 600k monthly earner in Nigeria...

The Nigerian earner can afford to save more, probably live more comfortably and even have enough to delve into business/income diversification options...more than his equivalent counterpart earning £1k monthly in the UK... That £1k fit no reach to pay house and council bills sef...

I know my analogy is kinda lose...and doesn't take into consideration many economic indices, yea...but vaguely speaking, the statement holds some water... Hopefully you get the point.

icon8:
The bolded is not necessarily true though. Is it?

My HR friend, you are right...

I talked about the socioeconomic and security perks...which kinda covers everything you just narrated.
So yes, it's you are right...

But if someone says he feels survival in Nigeria is easier and better for him...why would you want to argue with him?
You don't know his situation bro...be it in the UK or in Nigeria.

I know people who prefer to come down to UK for fun, flex and chills...but would rather go back to the lawlessness and buzz of lagos. Personal preference bro.

Deep down, some of us miss the buzz and blitz of gidi...esp if you grew through the ranks and survived lagos (from the slumps to some level of comfort)...
For me, I miss extended family, community, ember street jams, socializing, craziness with friends at some very crazy/local spots, the mad driving sometimes...maybe some part of the lawlessness...you know? Lol

For someone who some of these things mentioned above are more critical to their well-being than the structured and functional UK...trust me, they'll BS their visa and stay back home.

A distant friend has the British passport...but decided to base in Nigeria...personal preference still... He has his reasons... Many many others in similar situations...

Some Brits are even looking to migrate to canada/US... would you wanna fault them? Personally I wont.

Maslows hierarchy of needs explains the levels to these things bro... No force persons admit say one place better pass another... Its an entirely subjective discussion...and people's opinions should be respected.

My thoughts...
I may be wrong o...still, it's fine...

TheGuyFromHR:
I disagree.
Low-income earners are worse off in Nigeria and cannot in any way be said to "thrive" there.
At least here they can - if they manage it - get Universal Credit, 400 quid a month is basically a drop in the bucket in most cases, but its better than nothing. There is a social security net, however threadbare it might seem in comparison to what obtains in most of western Europe.

And they have the solace of being able to fall back on govt-funded healthcare and 12 years of [variable quality] education, whether they have paid into the system or not.

The average person living on a minimum wage or less in Nigeria gets nothing from the government and we know what the quality of government funded healthcare and education is across much of Nigeria, with variations.

Sorry to intrude, but this argument is a no-brainer and uncalled for.

This is one of those rare situations where you are both right!

It is tougher to earn and save in the UK for low income earners...whose equivalent would thrive extremely well in Nigeria...no doubt.
However, there are socio-economic and security perks that could also influence a choice of abode.

It finally boils down to individual situations and choices...and will be very wrong to try impose your personal situations/experiences as a standard that must be seen as right/true and followed.

Truly, you are both right... but should also try be discerning and empathize regarding other people's opinions.
There is no standard to this thing!

My 2 cents.

Olalekank:
I see how you comfortably left the other points and focused on the £2k that I mentioned.
It wouldn't be nice for us to go back and forth as we are past that.

If Nigeria is as "good"as you portrayed and you claim to have a business here, why not move over with your family and join us here in Nigeria?

I'll keep quoting you...even for no reason...
Let it sink people!

Aphrodite007:
Sweetheart, Successful people aren’t people that find the easy way out, they are people that create castles on stormy waters.

This perception you have of “white people” is not my problem, my problem is the importance you give to them. They looked at you and you ran away. Are they that important that their stare is what determines where you live or not?

I have a distant friend that was the only black staff in a company, when the company wanted to go public, they wanted to show off black seniors and promoted my friend. The salary was mad, the position was great. After 1 year, my friend moved to another company, using the new salary and position as leverage. You don’t get opportunities like that in multicultural places because everyone may be better than you (especially in technology)

Congrats on your grad scheme. With grad schemes you get posted round departments. Let’s assume one of the departments is located in a pure white place like Wales or NI, will you turn it down because of racism?

Please let’s do better. All that matters is you. No one else. Your mental health can’t be affected if you don’t notice. If they try to be racist to you and you appear unhurt, na them go dey vex. However, if they are outright... lol them no born them well, because you can pull a whole company down, so they won’t ever be outright.

They fear you. No fear them.

I thought it's been reduced to 10 days...
Hopefully this entire phase passes over quick.
Its really tiring...

Aprokodaughter:
Don't be sad she will be fine. The 14 days will soon be over. One of my floor mates had the virus last month but she is okay. I had to do another 14days because we are on the same floor and I stayed closed to her before her result was out.

Don't worry you and your family will get over it.