bukatyne:


Is this father still expected to cater for the child?

Or is the father free of that also?

He has no choice than to cater for him.

blueAgent:


Do you know that a couple of years ago Homosexuality was called a mental illness by American psychologists association even till today?
Years past people with such doubts would have recieved treatments and counselling till they overcome such challenges, which would have been better considering the fact that over 80% of them who undergo surgery to transgender often regret it later in life.

The movement to promote gay rights is one beyond the fight for human rights, the ones behind such agenda(The Elites NWO) have different motives than the advocates and liberals who are just naive foot soldiers.

Let's do this with an open mind, bro. Homosexuality was called mental illness and the earth was said to be flat. Yes, I believe you already know where I'm headed. You see bro, illness is defined as deviation from the normal state of health. Depending on what you call "normal state of health", virtually anything can be called an illness. If you believe that having melanin is the normal state of health, then being an albino is an illness. If you believe that being right handed is the normal state of health, then being left handed is an illness.

Another keyword in that definition is "deviation". What science calls an illness depends hugely on how the scientist differentiates the word "deviation" from the word "variation". Today, we believe humans have racial variations but if we had 6 billion known white people on earth with a few hundred known blacks, being black would have been a deviation and not a variation as we know it today. Again, if you had just 1 billion highly advanced and wealthy white people and even 100 billion blacks, race would still be a matter of variation. I'm just trying to point out that the words used to describe differences in nature aren't necessarily empirically decided. It's a function of visibility and numerical/social factors. These viewpoints do no really change the fact that some people are gay and need to live freely like all of us.

I believe we have every reason to acknowledge homosexuality as a form of human variation. Gay people aren't invalid neither permanently nor periodically. They aren't naturally distressed. They are many of them out there who are achievers in their fields. They are not harmful to society (extremely important). They are perfectly OK. It'll very unfair to call them sick people based on the opinion of some straight people. Calling them sick cause they are different is what led to the inhumane act of electroconvulsive therapy (electrically induced brain seizure) in Germany, corrective rape in South Africa, and other gruesome "treatments" they suffered in the past. It's a different story in Nigeria. I mean, who even criminalises sickness? Lol...

As for transgendering/hormonal therapies, I don't know where you pulled your "regret statistics" from. I'd say more on that if you give me a link. Please, I'm not doubting you. It's just that your statistics sharply contradicts the available data from the numerous surveys conducted in the past few years. There are two different transgendering procedures available today: surgical (GRS) and non surgical (hormone therapy), both of which are generally safe. We can have our opinions but it's not our duty to discriminate trans people who are making the most of the one lifetime they've got in a way that suits them. I don't know about NWO and I'm not pro gay cause someone asked me to be. I'm pro tolerance cause I know what discrimination looks like (homophobia, sexism, racisme, tribalism, xenophobia, classism, etc.). We don't need NWO to know that it's unfair to call the thousands of gay teens in Nigeria criminals. Thanks.

The gradual collapse of western civilisation.

Jman06:
He has no choice than to cater for him.

Really?

blueAgent:


You can see the hypocrisy.

In US prostitution is illegal in virtual all 50states but pornography is legal and a big industry.

That will show you the level of deception.

Let's keep watching and see.

Parents should guard and guide their kids well.

bukatyne:


Really?

Yes o

njelrapheal:


Please what do you mean that @bolded and how do one be freed from the body. Are you saying a simple gender reassignment would mean the person would then be free from the body.

In summary, yes.

The expression "trapped in a body", according to the medical dictionary is the feeling that one's gender is different from one's mind, heart and personality. A cute girl with visible jaw lines who is naturally inclined to engage in body building, play football, go on low cut, put on baggy trousers, fight, etc. may be feeling limited by her own body. She can't join the male team where she feels she belongs, she can't pull her shirt in public as she'd want to cause she has breasts to cover. She can't openly have a girlfriend in some places cause she's a girl. Such a person feels trapped in her own body. The fact that she has to be a man to live a fulfilled life implies she might never really be happy in life. The thought of this alone could lead to acute depression. This is where the option of transgendering comes in (for those who feel the need to).

In Nigeria, you have some extremely effeminate boys hated and bullied by thier mates. Even the adults aren't spared. They pretend not to care but many of them are very depressed. They cry at night and wish they weren't born. Some get suicidal. Yet, they can't change cause they don't even know what to change; they can't walk like your stereotypical men, speak like them or like football like they do. They are stuck in a life of perpetual sadness. But they can't transgender cause the same people that hate them also hate transgenders. It's like saying, "we won't let you be, we won't let you go". It's almost as if suicide is a better option.

Finally, I'd like to add that transgendering does not necessarily promote gay rights. If you feel attracted to fellow men and then you turn into a lady, you'll only end up reducing the gay visibility. This is not always the case but I just felt I should correct the impression. Thanks.

Cc: blueAgent

bukatyne:


Is this father still expected to cater for the child?

Or is the father free of that also?

My child changes their gender, then I'll become a deadbeat dad.

bukatyne:
If this girl started to call herself a goat, would her mother build a pen for her?

Well, nothing strange.

When you combine the human characteristics of constant dissatisfaction with a state and 'unlimited freedom of choice', the OP is the result.

If they insist the girl is a boy and change her sex, the father should wash his hands off.

He impregnated his ex with a girl and not a boy.

When they bring his daughter, he can continue fathering her.

How/why did he marry a psycho in the first place?

Omo lotta things gotta be checked before going into marriage. How the hell will I have a daughter and then she be identifying as a boy? WTF!

WoundedLamb:


In summary, yes.

The expression "trapped in a body", according to the medical dictionary is the feeling that one's gender is different from one's mind, heart and personality. A cute girl with visible jaw lines who is naturally inclined to engage in body building, play football, go on low cut, put on baggy trousers, fight, etc. may be feeling limited by her own body. She can't join the male team where she feels she belongs, she can't pull her shirt in public as she'd want to cause she has breasts to cover. She can't openly have a girlfriend in some places cause she's a girl. Such a person feels trapped in her own body. The fact that she has to be a man to live a fulfilled life implies she might never really be happy in life. The thought of this alone could lead to acute depression. This is where the option of transgendering comes in (for those who feel the need to).

In Nigeria, you have some extremely effeminate boys hated and bullied by thier mates. Even the adults aren't spared. They pretend not to care but many of them are very depressed. They cry at night and wish they weren't born. Some get suicidal. Yet, they can't change cause they don't even know what to change; they can't walk like your stereotypical men, speak like them or like football like they do. They are stuck in a life of perpetual sadness. But they can't transgender cause the same people that hate them also hate transgenders. It's like saying, "we won't let you be, we won't let you go". It's almost as if suicide is a better option.

Finally, I'd like to add that transgendering does not necessarily promote gay rights. If you feel attracted to fellow men and then you turn into a lady, you'll only end up reducing the gay visibility. This is not always the case but I just felt I should correct the impression. Thanks.

Cc: blueAgent

I don't advocate for homosexuals and transgender people to be hurt in anyway, rather they should receive counselling and support to enable them overcome that challenge, this method worked in the past, so while is the government not intrested in using such method. rather they gays are been celebrated and thrown on our faces ,while also brainwashing the children .

WoundedLamb:


In summary, yes.

The expression "trapped in a body", according to the medical dictionary is the feeling that one's gender is different from one's mind, heart and personality. A cute girl with visible jaw lines who is naturally inclined to engage in body building, play football, go on low cut, put on baggy trousers, fight, etc. may be feeling limited by her own body. She can't join the male team where she feels she belongs, she can't pull her shirt in public as she'd want to cause she has breasts to cover. She can't openly have a girlfriend in some places cause she's a girl. Such a person feels trapped in her own body. The fact that she has to be a man to live a fulfilled life implies she might never really be happy in life. The thought of this alone could lead to acute depression. This is where the option of transgendering comes in (for those who feel the need to).

In Nigeria, you have some extremely effeminate boys hated and bullied by thier mates. Even the adults aren't spared. They pretend not to care but many of them are very depressed. They cry at night and wish they weren't born. Some get suicidal. Yet, they can't change cause they don't even know what to change; they can't walk like your stereotypical men, speak like them or like football like they do. They are stuck in a life of perpetual sadness. But they can't transgender cause the same people that hate them also hate transgenders. It's like saying, "we won't let you be, we won't let you go". It's almost as if suicide is a better option.

Finally, I'd like to add that transgendering does not necessarily promote gay rights. If you feel attracted to fellow men and then you turn into a lady, you'll only end up reducing the gay visibility. This is not always the case but I just felt I should correct the impression. Thanks.

Cc: blueAgent

The word "trapped in a body" are all code words created by liberals and the elite to sell the sick perversion.

No one is born gay, even people born with both sex organs still don't act gay, most of them get treated and undergo surgery based on which sex the doctor has seen is more dominant, it was never based on some childish feeling of am a male when I have a pussy.

bukatyne:



Let's keep watching and see.

Parents should guard and guide their kids well.

True

WoundedLamb:


Let's do this with an open mind, bro. Homosexuality was called mental illness and the earth was said to be flat. Yes, I believe you already know where I'm headed. You see bro, illness is defined as deviation from the normal state of health. Depending on what you call "normal state of health", virtually anything can be called an illness. If you believe that having melanin is the normal state of health, then being an albino is an illness. If you believe that being right handed is the normal state of health, then being left handed is an illness.

Another keyword in that definition is "deviation". What science calls an illness depends hugely on how the scientist differentiates the word "deviation" from the word "variation". Today, we believe humans have racial variations but if we had 6 billion known white people on earth with a few hundred known blacks, being black would have been a deviation and not a variation as we know it today. Again, if you had just 1 billion highly advanced and wealthy white people and even 100 billion blacks, race would still be a matter of variation. I'm just trying to point out that the words used to describe differences in nature aren't necessarily empirically decided. It's a function of visibility and numerical/social factors. These viewpoints do no really change the fact that some people are gay and need to live freely like all of us.

I believe we have every reason to acknowledge homosexuality as a form of human variation. Gay people aren't invalid neither permanently nor periodically. They aren't naturally distressed. They are many of them out there who are achievers in their fields. They are not harmful to society (extremely important). They are perfectly OK. It'll very unfair to call them sick people based on the opinion of some straight people. Calling them sick cause they are different is what led to the inhumane act of electroconvulsive therapy (electrically induced brain seizure) in Germany, corrective rape in South Africa, and other gruesome "treatments" they suffered in the past. It's a different story in Nigeria. I mean, who even criminalises sickness? Lol...

As for transgendering/hormonal therapies, I don't know where you pulled your "regret statistics" from. I'd say more on that if you give me a link. Please, I'm not doubting you. It's just that your statistics sharply contradicts the available data from the numerous surveys conducted in the past few years. There are two different transgendering procedures available today: surgical (GRS) and non surgical (hormone therapy), both of which are generally safe. We can have our opinions but it's not our duty to discriminate trans people who are making the most of the one lifetime they've got in a way that suits them. I don't know about NWO and I'm not pro gay cause someone asked me to be. I'm pro tolerance cause I know what discrimination looks like (homophobia, sexism, racisme, tribalism, xenophobia, classism, etc.). We don't need NWO to know that it's unfair to call the thousands of gay teens in Nigeria criminals. Thanks.

No, gay is not a human variation.

It's obvious that humans are either male or female this is the established natural order. Anything outside this is an anomaly.
Statistically and by nature Homosexuality is an anomaly Even animals do not behave like that how much more humans ,we been higher animals.

Am not advocating that gays should be prosecuted and imprisoned or hurt in any way, No , rather they should be counseled and encouraged to leave such lifestyle.


If you look at the histroy of all this gay and transgender you would find that they are victims of abuse, depression and low self esteem, all this can be dealt with.

You might not believe in the fact that there is a grand conspiracy globally to make things that are wrong look right.
That agenda is been promoted subtly before our eyes but many of those looking are not seeing.

I will send you links as soon as I get them.

Jman06:
Me I like that because it aids population control and allows people reach their potentials without any gender restrictions. It'll introduce variety into the world and make life more fun!

You think so?

Those behind it are intrested in total dominion over all humanity.

Mind you they say the road to Hell is lined with good intentions.

kalu61:
What you understand is up to you. Bye

I thought you would have shared more insights on what you know makes your culture morally better than western culture.

Mind you hundreds of years ago all this trends where unheard of in Western societies.

An aged whiteman once wrote that years ago it was unheard of a lady having baby outside wedlock in US, in Chicago and Switzerland I once read that you could not go to hotel to lodge with a woman without your marriage certificate to show she is your wife,

I have seen pictures of years ago where ladies going to the beach were turned back for wearing swimsuits that where revealing too much.

All this values and many more are gradually been eroded by the elites.

Like I said before culturally we are not better than them.

I can give you examples of some stupid immoral african cultures.

Go and read about Hyenas of Rwanda, not the animal own but human Hyena ,there are many more Bad African cultures which time will not permit me to mention.

blueAgent:


I thought you would have shared more insights on what you know makes your culture morally better than western culture.

Mind you hundreds of years ago all this trends where unheard of in Western societies.

An aged whiteman once wrote that years ago it was unheard of a lady having baby outside wedlock in US, in Chicago and Switzerland I once read that you could not go to hotel to lodge with a woman without your marriage certificate to show she is your wife,

I have seen pictures of years ago where ladies going to the beach were turned back for wearing swimsuits that where revealing too much.

All this values and many more are gradually been eroded by the elites.

Like I said before culturally we are not better than them.

I can give you examples of some stupid immoral african cultures.

Go and read about Hyenas of Rwanda, not the animal own but human Hyena ,there are many more Bad African cultures which time will not permit me to mention.

I must commend you for your interlectual insights. However, l don't don't have the strength now to start arguing which culture is better which will forever remain subjective and l concluded by saying for me, my culture is better. End of argument because l knew how it will end.


But just like l said earlier. You can argue if you want. A society that accepts everything will one day end up in chaos. Not physical chaos but moral chaos.

blueAgent:



I don't advocate for homosexuals and transgender people to be hurt in anyway, rather they should receive counselling and support to enable them overcome that challenge, this method worked in the past, so while is the government not intrested in using such method. rather they gays are been celebrated and thrown on our faces ,while also brainwashing the children .

No, no such method worked at any point. Homosexuality is not an illness. It's not something you "cure". The idea that it is a disease is what led to some of the most inhumane acts in the world. Gay people were subjected to electroconvulsive therapy, corrective rape and other gruesome procedures hoping to "cure" what was a mere variation in sexuality. Good these things are banned today. It is sheer discrimination to even suggest these guys are ill just because they're different. It destroys their mental health and makes them suicidal. I'm very certain that was how whites saw blacks in the past. I mean, counselling cannot make you change from being straight to being gay. What makes you it would make a gay person become straight?

You see, homosexuality is not just about having sex with same gender. Anyone can do that, even straight guys do that for money these days. Homosexuality is more about the intense emotional connection (aka love) that gay people cannot feel for the opposite gender. In order words, you can be gay without having sex with anyone. Again, stopping sex with the same gender while forcing yourself to sleep with the opposite gender (like closeted married gay men do) doesn't really make you straight. We have gay people who are professorship of Psychiatry and Psychology, doctors, lawyers, engineers, programmers, inventors, etc. If these guys are telling us they aren't sick but just different, what right do we have to insist they are sick just because they are not like us? Why not just let them be? Why are we so afraid of variations?

I've read people say "rub it on our faces" and I wonder exactly what that means. You're in your house living your best life. How exactly does a gay man's life rub on your face? We are saying people should stop hurting gay people. Let them live. Let have human rights. And you're saying it's rubbing on your face. How exactly does that work? You are the majority. Heterosexuality is more-or-less the norm. The religions, the media, everything is heterosexual, and gay people have to live with it; they conform even when they can't relate. And then we talk about letting these guys enjoy basic human rights and you're complaining it's being rubbed on your face. How exactly do gay people that constitue a handful of the world's population rub it on the faces of the more than 6 billion straight people out there? You want to them to hide themselves when you pass cause they aren't good enough to be seen? Let's be logical, bro. The western world is not your face, Africa is. And Gay people don't even have enough visibility in Africa. Your movie industries are afraid to tell thier story. Maybe when they do, you'll begin to understand what these guys suffer. Meanwhile, no kid is brainwashed. Kids are taught acceptance/tolerance, something Africa needs even more.

SanctifiedSista:
All those running abroad, kindly take notes of this satanic laws and bring your children back to Nigeria if u want the best for them ..education and opportunities is not all in life, moral build up is important. U will make it in this Life. Amem

..
Which moral are u taking about here??


Or is it not the same Nigeria that is birthing yahoo Boys and those small small runs girls??

Or U actually think u are more morally upright than the whites??

blueAgent:



No, gay is not a human variation.

It's obvious that humans are either male or female this is the established natural order. Anything outside this is an anomaly.
Statistically and by nature Homosexuality is an anomaly Even animals do not behave like that how much more humans ,we been higher animals.

Am not advocating that gays should be prosecuted and imprisoned or hurt in any way, No , rather they should be counseled and encouraged to leave such lifestyle.


If you look at the histroy of all this gay and transgender you would find that they are victims of abuse, depression and low self esteem, all this can be dealt with.

You might not believe in the fact that there is a grand conspiracy globally to make things that are wrong look right.
That agenda is been promoted subtly before our eyes but many of those looking are not seeing.

I will send you links as soon as I get them.

First, we have gay animals. So many of them. A little Googling is all you have to do. Yes, humans are either male or female, nobody argued that. Even gay people are either male or female. Sexual orientation doesn't change people's gender. We aren't talking about gender variation but variations in sexual orientation. Nature is known for variation. No aspect of nature (not even day and night) is without variation. So what makes you think it’s possible for more than 6 billion people on earth to be born straight? No, bro, hat's not how nature works.

You think gay people have troubled past or you know this for sure? How can you be home and propose theories about people you've refused to even associate with? How many gay people do you have as close friends or family members who are open to you? You see, the problems in Africa is you guys use brute force against anything you aren't used to. You don't associate with gay people, you don't befriend, accommodate or tolerate them but you think you know their history more than those of us in the western world who dine with them, accept them, talk with them and hear their stories? I've been living here all my life, I have childhood friends, school mates, colleagues, clients, etc. who are gay and I'm telling you authoritatively that the majority of gay people had normal childhoods pre puberty. The only thing they suffered was the rejection and self hatred that came after they realized they were different.

As for the counselling part, read my response to the guy above. In summary, you aren't really any saner than they are.

blueAgent:


The word "trapped in a body" are all code words created by liberals and the elite to sell the sick perversion.

No one is born gay, even people born with both sex organs still don't act gay, most of them get treated and undergo surgery based on which sex the doctor has seen is more dominant, it was never based on some childish feeling of am a male when I have a pussy.

Trapped in a body is an English expression and regardless of the choice of words you prefer, the fact is that some people are naturally effeminate and feel more comfortable doing girly stuff. I'm sure you know one or two of such people. What you call childish feeling is somebody else's life story. Empathy demands that we try to see things from other people's perspectives and appreciate our differences. You believe some people are born intersex only because it's physical.

You are not gay, you don't keep gay friends but somehow you can tell gay people how they were born. Isn't that really convenient? So everybody is born straight? Do you really think life is binary? Black or white, gay or straight, kind or wicked, etc? No, bro, nature is full of in-betweens. Sexuality is a spectrum, some people are gay, some straight and some bisexual. The thing is, you can't understand people you haven't even tried to accommodate. What you know about gay people is born out of sentiments. You were born in a society where being gay is frowned upon. You grew up with that and you'd probably stick to that even in the face of logic. But, at least, let them live. I'm sure that's not too much to ask for.

blueAgent:


Yes, but also to destroy present civilisation and society norms while ushering in there Satanic norms.

Destroy present civilization ke.
This your conspiracy theory is too extreme.
And what exactly is a satanic norm?

I think it's just for population control jare

WoundedLamb:


In summary, yes.

The expression "trapped in a body", according to the medical dictionary is the feeling that one's gender is different from one's mind, heart and personality. A cute girl with visible jaw lines who is naturally inclined to engage in body building, play football, go on low cut, put on baggy trousers, fight, etc. may be feeling limited by her own body. She can't join the male team where she feels she belongs, she can't pull her shirt in public as she'd want to cause she has breasts to cover. She can't openly have a girlfriend in some places cause she's a girl. Such a person feels trapped in her own body. The fact that she has to be a man to live a fulfilled life implies she might never really be happy in life. The thought of this alone could lead to acute depression. This is where the option of transgendering comes in (for those who feel the need to).

In Nigeria, you have some extremely effeminate boys hated and bullied by thier mates. Even the adults aren't spared. They pretend not to care but many of them are very depressed. They cry at night and wish they weren't born. Some get suicidal. Yet, they can't change cause they don't even know what to change; they can't walk like your stereotypical men, speak like them or like football like they do. They are stuck in a life of perpetual sadness. But they can't transgender cause the same people that hate them also hate transgenders. It's like saying, "we won't let you be, we won't let you go". It's almost as if suicide is a better option.

Finally, I'd like to add that transgendering does not necessarily promote gay rights. If you feel attracted to fellow men and then you turn into a lady, you'll only end up reducing the gay visibility. This is not always the case but I just felt I should correct the impression. Thanks.

Cc: blueAgent

They should learn to love themSelves....

If a man loves lipsticks, dresses, and gowns, cleavage tops...that’s fine..yeah he may look a little weird... but what’s the big deal??..these things are all social construct invented by someone or companies....any gender can like them...

If a man truly feels like a woman inside...then it shouldn’t be about havingn b00bs or long hair, or wearing dresses...some women don’t even have boobs or wear dresses or do socially acceptable women things....

These people are just confusing desire for social constructs with being a particular gender. Then reconstruct their anatomy to fit in with the social constructs.....becos Ideally a man who feels like a woman inside is technically gay; i.e., attracted to men... meaning when he fully cuts off the pen!s he’ll start having sex with men...(correct menif I’m wrong)

All I see here are humans allowing environment drive them crazy..

advanceDNA:


They should learn to love themSelves....

If a man loves lipsticks, dresses, and gowns, cleavage tops...that’s fine..yeah he may look a little weird... but what’s the big deal??..these things are all social construct invented by someone or companies....any gender can like them...

If a man truly feels like a woman inside...then it shouldn’t be about havingn b00bs or long hair, or wearing dresses...some women don’t even have boobs or wear dresses or do socially acceptable women things....

These people are just confusing desire for social constructs with being a particular gender. Then reconstruct their anatomy to fit in with the social constructs.....becos Ideally a man who feels like a woman inside is technically gay; i.e., attracted to men... meaning when he fully cuts off the pen!s he’ll start having sex with men...(correct menif I’m wrong)

All I see here are humans allowing environment drive them crazy..

Let me ask you a question, if a transgender female is arrested and sentenced to prison for any offence unrelated to their sex, which prison will be appropriate to put them? Is it a Male or female prison?

KillerBeauty:

Destroy present civilization ke.
This your conspiracy theory is too extreme.
And what exactly is a satanic norm?

I think it's just for population control jare

There are far more effective ways to reducing population than promoting LGBT.

You may call it conspiracy but the truth is that the Elites are working to eliminate this present World order inorder to usher in theirs.

Gay marriage, Pedophilia, Incest , hookup culture, Feminism, critical race studies, Evolution ,and others been promoted by the Elites are all Satanic norms.

Have you read the protocols of the Elders of Zion?

WoundedLamb:


Trapped in a body is an English expression and regardless of the choice of words you prefer, the fact is that some people are naturally effeminate and feel more comfortable doing girly stuff. I'm sure you know one or two of such people. What you call childish feeling is somebody else's life story. Empathy demands that we try to see things from other people's perspectives and appreciate our differences. You believe some people are born intersex only because it's physical.

You are not gay, you don't keep gay friends but somehow you can tell gay people how they were born. Isn't that really convenient? So everybody is born straight? Do you really think life is binary? Black or white, gay or straight, kind or wicked, etc? No, bro, nature is full of in-betweens. Sexuality is a spectrum, some people are gay, some straight and some bisexual. The thing is, you can't understand people you haven't even tried to accommodate. What you know about gay people is born out of sentiments. You were born in a society where being gay is frowned upon. You grew up with that and you'd probably stick to that even in the face of logic. But, at least, let them live. I'm sure that's not too much to ask for.

You don't even know me and you sound like you know.

I was abused when I was small barley 5years old by several ladies , I know what depression means, I know what sexual abuse and addiction means, unfortunately when I was in school in my year 1, I also had a gay room mate unknown to me.

All this were challenges I have faced, so when I say I know how gays act,am telling you from experience from a room mate.

I mirror my own struggles with the opposite sex with theirs since most are also product of sexual abuse while they were small, but I would not advocate that they should continue in such path when they can be changed for the better.

WoundedLamb:


First, we have gay animals. So many of them. A little Googling is all you have to do. Yes, humans are either male or female, nobody argued that. Even gay people are either male or female. Sexual orientation doesn't change people's gender. We aren't talking about gender variation but variations in sexual orientation. Nature is known for variation. No aspect of nature (not even day and night) is without variation. So what makes you think it’s possible for more than 6 billion people on earth to be born straight? No, bro, hat's not how nature works.

You think gay people have troubled past or you know this for sure? How can you be home and propose theories about people you've refused to even associate with? How many gay people do you have as close friends or family members who are open to you? You see, the problems in Africa is you guys use brute force against anything you aren't used to. You don't associate with gay people, you don't befriend, accommodate or tolerate them but you think you know their history more than those of us in the western world who dine with them, accept them, talk with them and hear their stories? I've been living here all my life, I have childhood friends, school mates, colleagues, clients, etc. who are gay and I'm telling you authoritatively that the majority of gay people had normal childhoods pre puberty. The only thing they suffered was the rejection and self hatred that came after they realized they were different.

As for the counselling part, read my response to the guy above. In summary, you aren't really any saner than they are.

Do you know that doctors have confirmed that biologically no one is born gay?

kalu61:
I must commend you for your interlectual insights. However, l don't don't have the strength now to start arguing which culture is better which will forever remain subjective and l concluded by saying for me, my culture is better. End of argument because l knew how it will end.


But just like l said earlier. You can argue if you want. A society that accepts everything will one day end up in chaos. Not physical chaos but moral chaos.

True a society that accepts everything will end up in chaos.

But the Western society did not willingly accept this changes and trends likewise when it will be done in Africa too.

This trends were craftly brought into those society using intimidation and media.

blueAgent:



Let me ask you a question, if a transgender female is arrested and sentenced to prison for any offence unrelated to their sex, which prison will be appropriate to put them? Is it a Male or female prison?

U are asking me.??..is that not the one of questions we’ve been asking the LGBT people since they allow a man to just wake up and say he identify as female and start participating in female sport...

advanceDNA:


They should learn to love themSelves....

If a man loves lipsticks, dresses, and gowns, cleavage tops...that’s fine..yeah he may look a little weird... but what’s the big deal??..these things are all social construct invented by someone or companies....any gender can like them...

If a man truly feels like a woman inside...then it shouldn’t be about havingn b00bs or long hair, or wearing dresses...some women don’t even have boobs or wear dresses or do socially acceptable women things....

These people are just confusing desire for social constructs with being a particular gender. Then reconstruct their anatomy to fit in with the social constructs.....becos Ideally a man who feels like a woman inside is technically gay; i.e., attracted to men... meaning when he fully cuts off the pen!s he’ll start having sex with men...(correct menif I’m wrong)

All I see here are humans allowing environment drive them crazy..

Good morning from here.

Self love/confidence doesn't just come as a personal decision. It is influenced by external factors. Even when we are ugly, our mothers tell is how beautiful we are. When we are good in playing football and our male friends praise us, we will feel good about ourselves. Things like these make us appreciate ourselves as we grow up. A very efiminate kid is told by neighbours that he's different. He's hated and bullied by his fellow kids who don't see him as good enough to share the same space with them. Strangers look at him like an alien when he's passing by. Even adults that should know better mock him. He grows with the idea that he's unwanted/unacceptable. Self confidence lost, self love non existent, he tries to hide himself from the world and he always questions God who made him that way. Sir, you don't just instruct such a person to love himself, not when he'll still be living amongst those who constitute his source of anguish.

However, there's a slight difference between self hatred and gender limitations (a thin line actually). While people like the hypothetical kid I described above may want to transition into the opposite gender and move to a new area, I'd like to also mention that a trans person isn't necessarily always someone who suffered self hatred in the actual sense of it. Many experienced gender limitations. A masculine looking girl with zero interest in ladies' stuff who has always dreamed of playing with Toronto raptors or doing other stuff males do may feel limited by her own gender. Such a person may feel useless as lady. On the other hand, some boyish women would never want to transition cause their passion can be pursued even as a lady and I learned (not sure) people are generally more tolerant towards them than towards the effeminate guys. In that case, no limitation/no self hatred.

Finally, transgendering isn't tightly coupled with sexuality. This is because not all efiminate guys are gay (but how many women would want to date them?). Yes, many men who transitioned into women date men, but not all. I know a straight guy (or rather, heard she was a man) who transitioned into a lady and now has a girlfriend. So you see, it's not all about se.x. If it were, we wouldn't have trans in Canada cause anybody can have sex with anyone here regardless of the genders. Maybe some of them try to fit into social constructs like you said, and if that saves them from a lifetime of sadness and social ostracism, I wouldn't stand on thier way, brother.

WoundedLamb:


Good morning from here.

Self love/confidence doesn't just come as a personal decision. It is influenced by external factors. Even when we are ugly, our mothers tell is how beautiful we are. When we are good in playing football and our male friends praise us, we will feel good about ourselves. Things like these make us appreciate ourselves as we grow up. A very efiminate kid is told by neighbours that he's different. He's hated and bullied by his fellow kids who don't see him as good enough to share the same space with them. Strangers look at him like an alien when he's passing by. Even adults that should know better mock him. He grows with the idea that he's unwanted/unacceptable. Self confidence lost, self love non existent, he tries to hide himself from the world and he always questions God who made him that way. Sir, you don't just instruct such a person to love himself, not when he'll still be living amongst those who constitute his source of anguish.

However, there's a slight difference between self hatred and gender limitations (a thin line actually). While people like the hypothetical kid I described above may want to transition into the opposite gender and move to a new area, I'd like to also mention that a trans person isn't necessarily always someone who suffered self hatred in the actual sense of it. Many experienced gender limitations. A masculine looking girl with zero interest in ladies' stuff who has always dreamed of playing with Toronto raptors or doing other stuff males do may feel limited by her own gender. Such a person may feel useless as lady. On the other hand, some boyish women would never want to transition cause their passion can be pursued even as a lady and I learned (not sure) people are generally more tolerant towards them than towards the effeminate guys. In that case, no limitation/no self hatred.

Finally, transgendering isn't tightly coupled with sexuality. This is because not all efiminate guys are gay (but how many women would want to date them?). Yes, many men who transitioned into women date men, but not all. I know a straight guy (or rather, heard she was a man) who transitioned into a lady and now has a girlfriend. So you see, it's not all about se.x. If it were, we wouldn't have trans in Canada cause anybody can have sex with anyone here regardless of the genders. Maybe some of them try to fit into social constructs like you said, and if that saves them from a lifetime of sadness and social ostracism, I wouldn't stand on thier way, brother.

But u agree all of these so called girl things and boy things are socially engineered..?.they are not laws ...so what’s the point of conforming to ideas that change everytime..

Furthermore, what if someone is effeminate?? I’ve never heard that being a crime or irritating....yes... people bully and make fun of people ....come on...that’s every where, people even bully other for being brilliant, pretty, etc....

like I said people are just allowing the environment mess with them and instead of the government helping them get the care they need, they allowing them go through the long horrible road of chemical/blade anatomy reconstruction ...and now we have kids and minors who know nothing on this boat

Because really, I don’t see how gender reconstruction is the solution to being bullied or not liking boy or girl things...



And I disgrace with you on ur first line...self love and confidence is supposed to be a personal decision....Dady and mummy might cheer you, fri mds my tell you what you want to hear .....th decision to be happy is still yours

blueAgent:


You don't even know me and you sound like you know.

I was abused when I was small barley 5years old by several ladies , I know what depression means, I know what sexual abuse and addiction means, unfortunately when I was in school in my year 1, I also had a gay room mate unknown to me.

All this were challenges I have faced, so when I say I know how gays act,am telling you from experience from a room mate.

I mirror my own struggles with the opposite sex with theirs since most are also product of sexual abuse while they were small, but I would not advocate that they should continue in such path when they can be changed for the better.

First, I'm sorry for your ordeal. I can only imagine how much impact that must have had on you as an adult.

You see, your personal path of being abused as a kid and possibly getting addicted to se.x at some point in your life doesn't necessarily mirror the life pattern of gay people. As a matter of fact, viewing the gay struggle through the lenses of your personal experience as a non gay person is the reason behind most straight people's dispositions towards the gay community. We unempathetically judge them by heterosexual standards.

If you can recall, my question was "how many gay people do you have as close friends or as family members open to you?" Yes, you mentioned you had a gay room mate back in school. But you used the words "unknown" and "unfortunately" and that tells a tale about your experience. Those two words sharply contrast with the ones in bold in my question above. "Unknown" means he wasn't open to you (not surprising seeing how they aren't accepted) and "unfortunately" means it wasn't a good experience and you guys aren't close anymore. Sorry, I fail to see how this would give you an insight into the life a gay person. People open to friends and confidents. To really know about gay community, you'd have to have some of them as friends who confide in you. Otherwise, all you'd get would be assumptions or things said by people in distress.

Like I said, gay people aren't people who suffered terrible childhoods. Gay people are found in every environment; within the rich, the poor, the isolated, the socialized, the well-treated, the ill-treated, the blacks, the whites, the religious, the irreligious, the intelligent, the dumb, etc. It is a sexual orientation just like being straight.

blueAgent:


Do you know that doctors have confirmed that biologically no one is born gay?

No.