₦airaland Forum

Rossikki:
That is why we operate a democracy. If you don't like how the current govt is leading, you vote in another govt in 2 years' time.

Many people behave and talk as if the present situation is permanent and will never change.

Someone needs to remind them that we have elections and peaceful change of govt written into law, plus an unofficial rotation policy ensuring both north and south get to lead the nation.

So if you are unhappy, WAIT for 2023 instead of throwing your hands up and stupidly calling for national break up and disintegration!!!

Trump was in power and caused all sorts of confusion, including deaths, by his racism and so on, but you never saw Americans talking about splitting up the country. They simply organised and voted the guy out of office!

Nigerians must understand that they have a civilian DEMOCRACY in place and nobody is permanently in office including Buhari!

justtoodark:
world is not gonna help you nada....then what....??
take up soo many nigerian refugees....??

nigeria is not breakin up without a war....
anybody that tries it will have to confront the nigerian army....

and when una push too much,then kiss your silly democracy good bye....

justtoodark:
world is not gonna help you nada....then what....??
take up soo many nigerian refugees....??

nigeria is not breakin up without a war....
anybody that tries it will have to confront the nigerian army....

and when una push too much,then kiss your silly democracy good bye....

kettykin:
Again, I am not pushing for a break up of Nigeria. But truthfully if Nigeria Nigeria military could not stop bakassi peninsula from being taken away by Cameroon, if the have been vacillating for more than 10 years without any progress against boko haram, then there is nothing really they can do against a United nations mandate for any group that wants to opt out

Rossikki:
The problem with your ''diplomatic breakup'' solution is that it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE.

Why? Because the Nigerian economy and socio-cultural environment is so intertwined, integrated, and inter-related today, that any attempts at break up will lead to multiple contentions and disputes, especially over access to resources, and also with regard to the representativeness of those making the diplomatic overtures on behalf of each region/ethnic group/clan etc.

For instance, who will negotiate on behalf of Igbos? Is it IPOB? Or is Ohanaeze? Or the governors? I mean, these groups can barely stand each other.

Same goes for Yorubas. Will it be Afenifere? Or OPC? Or Amotekun? Or the governors? Will they all agree? How?

According to Wikipedia, ''There are some voices among the Yorubas that see Afenifere as a dangerous group... prominent Yoruba Muslim cleric Sheikh Dr. Abu-Abdullah Adelabu described Afenifere as a bunch of tribalists and self-serving ambitious, greedy rivals driven by xenophobia and deep bigotry, and possessed by a delusion of their so-called cultural commonalities.''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afenifere

We can find similar internal conflicts in the Igbo and delta region collectives.

For Hausas and Fulanis, who speaks? Arewa congress or whatever they call themselves? How representative are they of all northern views?

So even within the ethnicities there is no consensus, much less between them.

So what diplomacy are you talking about?

We've not even mentioned the minority groups like the Edos, Urhobos, Itsekiris, Kanuris and so on.

Any breakup of Nigeria will be chaotic and catastrophic for all concerned, and will simply multiply our current problems by a factor of 10.

And such mayhem and confusion is perfect ground for killer herdsmen, kidnappers and terrorists.

They just LOVE that kind of situation where nothing is solid on ground.

waldigit:
Fear of loosing pot of soup now.

Parachoko:
See guy, the only thing I want to tell you is to forget about military rule. No military personnel can rule again in this country.

Military rule will only lead to total chaos.

QuotasSystem:
That's also what they thought in Myanmar but here we are.

justtoodark:
because many of us know what it would mean for africa....

breakin up a nation of 200million people....??

do you even understand what type of chaos that would be....??

Parachoko:
Myanmar is not Nigeria bro.

The days of military rule is far gone in Nigeria. So you feel the CDS can take over power from GMB?

Monogamy:
They are not feared but instead laughing at the gullibility of the secessionists

QuotasSystem:
It is circumstances that present the conditions that make coups possible. Inconclusive elections, political instability, presidential excesses etc. I will not specifically comment on PMB for obvious reasons.

However what you need to understand is that when coups do occur, you're not given the luxury to choose if you like the government or not, whether you can be ruled or not. Your only choice would be conformity or imprisonment/exile/heaven.

Jimi24:
It is all in the realm of human psychology. Only failures want Nigeria to break up. Any forward looking, ambitious, visionary person has plans for a project, business or new area of discovery that somehow assumes the indivisibility of Nigeria in the future.

A hopeless and lazy person obviously does not.
Such a person wants to go back to Nigeria of 1960, a year where he most likely was not born yet but has heard one sided views about how better things were.
They were not.
1960 eventually led to 1966 and the Civil War. Politicians were still corrupt and there was still poverty.

Some administrative changes may be necessary in Nigeria but mostly the people need to change themselves from selfish clannishness to a more brotherly approach to life

Successdude:
I've noticed that some people visibly fear so much the breaking f Nigeria. You see it in their comments here on nairaland or posts on social media, no matter how they tend to veil that visible panick.

And one wonders what could be the reason. Like I don't get why such heightened fear.

What are your thoughts ?

Rossikki:
If Nigeria 'breaks', do you think it will just be a peaceful parting of ways in which nobody's life is disrupted?

If that is what you think, think again.

There will be MASSIVE social disruption and humanitarian crises. Millions of people now based in various parts of Nigeria that are not their states of origin will be categorised as illegal aliens overnight, uprooted, and forced to return 'home'.

Refugee crises would ensue all over the place. Businesses would be lost. Crime would skyrocket. Localised conflicts over access to land by new immigrants would lead to the rise of warlords, and massive bloodshed.

It would be absolutely catastrophic.

I think those who do not want Nigeria to ''break'' are people with common sense, intelligence and foresight, and those who wish the country to break are thoughtless, ignorant, dumb, visionless fools with no common sense. And ironically, this group will feel the pain of that national splintering more than anyone else, since they are the ones settled in various regions across the country in their millions, and will have their lives and livelihoods completely destroyed in the mayhem.

Successdude:
This is what I have been waiting for : is it possible to develope without having a "STORY" ?

secondly, mention one nation that is advanced and didn't have to pass through these hurdles.

thirdly, going by the idea of being aliens, business disruption etc as u stated, isn't it clear now that actually the mentality of what "breaking a nation " means is the problem Nigerians have. we see it as something that cannot be diplomatically .... and it gives the question : why such ?


countries have splitted. and out of that gave birth to great nations. how did they do it ? or they were in another planet ?

I don't get it from here.


And I wouldn't want to believe all the reason there is against splitting is about comfort (which actually isn't existing and at most, currently, can be called temporal comfort). Temporal Comfort is no comfort brother man

justtoodark:
world is not gonna help you nada....then what....??
take up soo many nigerian refugees....??

nigeria is not breakin up without a war....
anybody that tries it will have to confront the nigerian army....

and when una push too much,then kiss your silly democracy good bye....

Rossikki:
Excellently put.

Rossikki:
If Nigeria 'breaks', do you think it will just be a peaceful parting of ways in which nobody's life is disrupted?

If that is what you think, think again.

There will be MASSIVE social disruption and humanitarian crises. Millions of people now based in various parts of Nigeria that are not their states of origin will be categorised as illegal aliens overnight, uprooted, and forced to return 'home'.

Refugee crises would ensue all over the place. Businesses would be lost. Crime would skyrocket. Localised conflicts over access to land by new immigrants would lead to the rise of warlords, and massive bloodshed.

It would be absolutely catastrophic.

I think those who do not want Nigeria to ''break'' are people with common sense, intelligence and foresight, and those who wish the country to break are thoughtless, ignorant, dumb, visionless fools with no common sense. And ironically, this group will feel the pain of that national splintering more than anyone else, since they are the ones settled in various regions across the country in their millions, and will have their lives and livelihoods completely destroyed in the mayhem.

SmartPolician:
I don't believe this in the slightest.

If the ethnic nationalities that make up Nigeria sit on a round table and negotiate how they would run their countries after the split, everyone will be fine. If a confab on how post-Nigeria will run is held, nobody will experience any shocks...it's not like the new countries will have new neighbors. It's just like saying that there will be mayhem after Brexit. This is fallacy taken too far.

The problem with Nigeria is that vested interests among the citizens have made it a taboo to mention the separation of Nigeria. For every system that does not work, some evil people benefit from the dysfunctional system; it's just natural.

FYI, Nigerians have loads of dissimilarities and the country is built on a false foundation. You cannot build something on fallacy and expect the stakeholders to be happy about it, most especially when it's crystal clear that the shithole only favours a few privileged people.

Again, you are very wrong to assume that people who agitate for separation are unintelligent. Nigeria is a ship with no direction. A country that doesn't have a functional refinery from its major revenue earner; a country that cannot generate up to 5kMW of electricity after 60 years of nationhood; a country where there's no fairness and justice; a country where people don't have any sense of patriotism (people just want to get the opportunity and wreck the country); and I can go on and on.

For instance, Chinua Achebe recalled, in his book, that many people worked for Biafra (how the new country would run) without asking for payment. How many Nigerians can sacrifice for a better Nigeria today? If there's no love for one's own country, we are just wasting our time in the joke of a country. Patriotism is critical - something Nigeria lacks.

If Nigeria no dey shame you, bros, e dey shame me. You can only know how terrible your country is when you see a working country elsewhere. Those who fear about Nigeria's separation should stop threatening those who are fed up with the failed state. Of course, they always threaten people who seek a working country because they are the bad eggs who benefit from the system's rot.

Rossikki:
If Nigeria 'breaks', do you think it will just be a peaceful parting of ways in which nobody's life is disrupted?

If that is what you think, think again.

There will be MASSIVE social disruption and humanitarian crises. Millions of people now based in various parts of Nigeria that are not their states of origin will be categorised as illegal aliens overnight, uprooted, and forced to return 'home'.

Refugee crises would ensue all over the place. Businesses would be lost. Crime would skyrocket. Localised conflicts over access to land by new immigrants would lead to the rise of warlords, and massive bloodshed.

It would be absolutely catastrophic.

I think those who do not want Nigeria to ''break'' are people with common sense, intelligence and foresight, and those who wish the country to break are thoughtless, ignorant, dumb, visionless fools with no common sense. And ironically, this group will feel the pain of that national splintering more than anyone else, since they are the ones settled in various regions across the country in their millions, and will have their lives and livelihoods completely destroyed in the mayhem.

Doradorwa:
With your permission Sir can I post this on my status... what you wrote there is amazing... Totally the way I see things... people will lose their lives , it will take years to build up again... you are totally amazing Sir

Rossikki:
If Nigeria 'breaks', do you think it will just be a peaceful parting of ways in which nobody's life is disrupted?

If that is what you think, think again.

There will be MASSIVE social disruption and humanitarian crises. Millions of people now based in various parts of Nigeria that are not their states of origin will be categorised as illegal aliens overnight, uprooted, and forced to return 'home'.

Refugee crises would ensue all over the place. Businesses would be lost. Crime would skyrocket. Localised conflicts over access to land by new immigrants would lead to the rise of warlords, and massive bloodshed.

It would be absolutely catastrophic.

I think those who do not want Nigeria to ''break'' are people with common sense, intelligence and foresight, and those who wish the country to break are thoughtless, ignorant, dumb, visionless fools with no common sense. And ironically, this group will feel the pain of that national splintering more than anyone else, since they are the ones settled in various regions across the country in their millions, and will have their lives and livelihoods completely destroyed in the mayhem.

Successdude:
with such heightened fear, that's truly what you called it. like, I don't get it.

are they that "useless and unproductive " that they just conclude they can't amount to anything on their own ?

SIRTee15:
The last group that can stop the dissolution of nigeria is the nigerian army. Nigerian army of 2021 is not the same of the 90s. Corruption n ethnic affiliation have eaten deep into the fabric of nigerian military n have rendered it's soul useless.
A well organised n disciplined secessionist militia will easily disgrace your army.

A military coup will be the final straw that will break up nigeria.
Northerners will never tolerate a southern led coup d'etat.
While a northern led coup will amount to rising disenchantment n creation of multiple militants group in the south. Coupled with foreign sanction, I seriously doubt it will survive.

Nigeria is living on borrowed time n u know it.
It's the clannishness n selfishness inherent in black men that's making some hold on to a drowning country.

Only restructuring can safe nigeria. The earlier we start talking about it, the better.

Successdude:
you dont know what the unworkability of the same Nigeria is causing Africa.

its like a coin - has two sides.

Greatness seem to be in individual "Nigerians" and not seeming to be in Nigerians as a group.

Parachoko:
See guy, the only thing I want to tell you is to forget about military rule. No military personnel can rule again in this country.

Military rule will only lead to total chaos.

justtoodark:
forget nigeria breakin up without a war....
its a pipe dream....

justtoodark:
use your votes and stop messin around with stvpidity....

nonesense....

ablejesus26:
The same vote that will be rigged with maximum impunity��