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[quote autqqhor=TMKsouth post=100231730]I think this tweet relates to your statement.[/quote]

maureensylvia:
49k for 47 mudu

I'll mention you on my thread for further enquiry

Should I PM you?
Business reasons.

IronGalaxy:
How do you make blanket statements of people you've never even met? Better yet, how can you even differentiate between various South African tribes all the way in kaduna?

Lol I live in Oakdene Park Johannesburg South Africa

Reeses:
About time we teach those white people that we have the right to dress how we want. This is our land

Start by going to work naked next week, Your ancestors did it ,Yes you can

Clown.

Mixedfruit:
South Africa would be worse than Somalia had there been no white
people, and nigeria will be fully recognized as the giant of africa.

On point.

gaventa:
Is a supermarket an official place All these slaves forming woke . You all see nothing with whites dressing half naked to supermarkets but you see somthing wrong with this. Slaves with self hate mentality always justifying their slave masters above themselves

Clown why did he had to go to the Mall in the first place?
Is the concept of Mall African ?

TechSkill:
that is why the White man will continue to impose their Ideology on you.

They give you Bible and took your sculptures to display in their museums, make money out it but you are here defending the total eradication of your root and tradition.

Is there anything that you have, that they did not give you?

TMKsouth:
'I left the mall heartbroken'

(Video)

Saddest reality in Africa, I was subjected to inside the @Clicks_SA store at The Boulders Shopping Center. By the center manager, who said it was his shopping complex. I was told that I'm wearing inappropriate I must go & Omega risk solutions harassed me #NdebeleTwitter pic.twitter.com/klzmTQspJO

— #WeNeedAmaNdebeleOnTV (@thandomahlangu_) March 24, 2021

A casual trip to a Johannesburg mall on Wednesday turned into a nightmare when Ndebele activist and author Thando Mahlangu was allegedly hounded out of the shopping complex by a man who described himself as the mall owner.

His sin, apparently, was that he went into the Boulders shopping centre wearing Ndebele traditional attire. The Ndebele are one of South Africa's minority ethnic groups.

In the video clip, the man tells Mahlangu that there is a right of admission and that he doesn't condone Mahlangu's outfit and he must leave.

The man continues to tell Mahlangu that the mall is a public place and he is dressed indecently, while Mahlangu responds by saying he is dressed in African attire.

“You are telling me I'm not supposed to wear African [clothes] in Africa,” Mahlangu says.

“I'm saying this is a public place ... I'm not allowing that here, this is my mall ... right of admission is reserved,” the man responds.

Mahlangu's girlfriend can be heard telling the man that “this is Africa then you can't tell someone what to do, what to wear, at which mall”.

“I left the mall heartbroken and even now as we speak, I'm still not fine emotionally.”

The centre management said in a statement:

“The Boulders Shopping Centre would like to apologise unreservedly for the incident that took place at Clicks.

“The centre would like to clarify that it does not deny entry based on appearances and clothes. It is unfortunate that the incident that occurred inside Clicks is being viewed as intolerant towards other cultures and clothes.

“We take this opportunity to once again apologise to those who feel hurt by the incident. The decision was taken in the interests of other shoppers and employees of the mall,” said the centre management.

However, comments on social media were mostly supportive of Mr Mahlangu and called for African attire and practices to not be suppressed in South Africa.

Wanawe Ndlovu. South Africans don't joke with their culture. They fully respect their culture. I was watching the funeral service of the Late king Zwelitini. Everything they did was just as it was in the movie Shaka Zulu.

selemempe:
you are the one who needs to stfu and get with the program. Japanese and Chinese people used to dress like barbarians until they made a law in their country to become more western. Can you compare them with any country in Africa Today. You babalawo dressing apes have kept dragging the black race back to were it prayed itself out of. Thunder really needs to fire the people praising this man..pissing me off

You dey mind the idiots, they go they claim anti- western yet they use iPhone of 800k hypocrites.

karkel:
That's why Africa is in total darkness until when its woken... . The great china and other Asia tigers never throw away their culture, tradition and tongues. Growth and development goes with ones cultures and tradition. Case study after USA gained independent from the great britain. United states'of america discarded the condrium the british left for them.....their tongues never change. I.e america English vs british english. Americas knew that the way to greatness is when they decided to stick to their tradition, culture and tongues that why america is what they are today.... Africa is the foot of the world they never learn

You can start by discarding everything western ,starting with the phone you used in typing this crap.
Clown.

9jaRealist:
BTW, regarding American “culture”...
Try writing your exams in Ebonics, and see how it turns out.

Time and place for EVERYTHING!
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Lol....Ebonics got me laughing.
The clown and his primitive culture could not establish a number system how much more a formal education system.

selemempe:
you are very stupid and I can guess correctly that you are yoruba. You guys are the dregs of society that have refused to modernize... calling yourselves sophisticated while mutilating the faces of your children as a sign of 'culture'. Dirty culture. You guys still believe that you can become rich by mining body parts of fellow humans for wealth. Dirty fools.

The Chinese and Japanese that used to be highly cultural people dropped all that and followed a state policy of westernisation. See what they have achieved. They are the only other developed people in the world outside white countries. Forget about Arabs...they would have been as poor as Africa if not for oil.

If it was up to me, politicians in our country would only dress in suits to work. Nonsense

Compare the business-like demeanor of the Chinese here with the clownish demeanor of the Nigerian senators and their dirty cultural attires.

You have the guts to tell me about culture when you are the fool who doesn't know that culture is fluid and not static.

On point.

You spoke my mind.
Idiots will claim that Asians kept their culture, when even Japanese and Chinese presidents dress in Suits.

It's a whitemans World this dude need to get the Memo.

buymyride:
lmao, you are funny
We have something like that here in Nigeria too, it’s called burukutu. Sadly enough, it’s also seen as drink for the poor here in Nigeria.
About the Brazilians of africa, I agree with that 100% but it seems your men over there don’t like your girls associating with us though.
Where are you based in SA? The last time I came, I rented a service apartment at sandton Gauteng, I was planning on visiting cape town before the lockdown was announced and had me book an impromptu flight back to Nigeria. You need to see Katlego practically crying at the airport

I will be back

Yeah, we don't like our girls hanging out with Nigerians coz the relationships are often transactional. The general assumption is Nigerians are into dirty business and buy women, not to mention using them as drug mules and trophies. So our girls associating with you guys are considered gold-diggers and amoral.

Hope you one of the good ones, but your relationship with Katlego is gonna be frowned upon.

Wish I could could say something positive about this, but public opinion is just too negative, from both men and women. Personally I judge all people on a case-by-case basis, and have friendly chats with some Nigerians over here, I lived in Hillbrow for 5 years during the noughties.

These days i live in the south of the Gauteng province but I'm still a regular in Joburg.

FreeSpirited:
Everything you typed here is no more confirming of your innate stupidity and ignorance of culture than your first idiotic comment.You are a displaced illiterate and a cultural fool without root nor legacy to identify with
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If your education never failed you, How can you say Chinese are Westernised? How, Chinese and Japan are one of the brilliant example of cultural success of our generation, a glaring proof that westernization is not the standard recipe for morality, culture and advancement.
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Chinese are leading the world for embracing their culture in all ramifications. Mandarin language an emblem of their culture is one of the fast growing language in the world in terms of learners and speakers..
Talk about Chinese mode of governance? is it European or American style Democracy? You foolish Africans who wants to die with democracy, yet having no constitution for or ingredients for democracy are thus in rubble and everlasting backwardness cos u cant think inward and adopt mode of governance that once made Africa great in many centuries back. Do you know anything about African greatness?
If you want to talk about science, which China is now successful with, do you think it started in Europe? Or philosophy and religion which are the mother of science started from the West? China today based it's philosophy and governance on the laid down by their ancestors and warrior...Go and read the impact of Confucius on the Chinese philosophy and civilization you fool!

What's is this numb jumpo you wrote here?

Have you read about the history of Education in Japan?

mmsen:
Yes some are cool but most hide behind religious jargon to justify anything novel; everything from women wearing trousers; to men fathering fewer children; to people choosing to not get married; to making sex education widely available; to making contraceptives and birth control available; to people wearing dreadlocks; to not voting in old men with no integrity. They all face resistance from a foolish majority in Nigeria.

Add LGBT rights to the list.

selemempe:
Fool! China's system of government came from the Soviet Union. I knew you know nothing chai And I was arguing with you. Japan is a parliamentary democracy based on the Westminster style. Awolowo free education may have been responsible for your poor knowledge of these issues but I will forgive it.

Can you tell me what china has invented?? Mobile phones and internet came from US. Planes and automobiles came from Europe. Having an army, navy and air force are western ideas. Dressing in suite are western ideas.

You talk of language. Pray tell who doesn't speak their mother tongue in Africa? Swahili is the national language in Kenya. There is a language spoken by most Ghanaians. Nigeria is the only African country without a native national language. Language is not an issue at all. And has nothing to do with westernisation. Religion is also not a factor in westernisation.

The main factors of westernisation is dressing well... western style education .... understanding and using modern technology and knowing an international language. Leaving backward culture behind

People like that dude is why Africa is backwards.

There over bloated black and African ego will not allow them to humble themselves and copy, Asians did it look at them today, Africans will be claiming civilisation with one Archaic culture.

jesmond3945:
ohhhh which culture, you mean the white man that gave you coat and suit? So the whiteman's coat and suit is far better than your traditional regalia as an african?

100 times better.

hermesprogidy:
China is the mother of inventions. She invented writing, paper, fireworks, and loads of other things you take for granted, including numbers and mathematics. (Alongside India) Westernization goes beyond dressing. It includes Religion, language and general culture.

Clown you know nothing.

selemempe:
Africa has also been a mother of inventions long before China. Egypt and Sudan are the birth places of civilization.
Today's China however owes its new found success to Western ideas. And they have gone deeper and deeper to westernise and modernize their society. Africa should do the same and leave the old ways. If you want to badly hold on to the old ways in the name of culture, you would create a very unappealing society

Africa never invented a shit

hermesprogidy:
That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. China's new found success is not based entirely on embracing western culture. Like the Japanese, they only embraced western education, specifically science and technology, but left significant parts of their cultures intact. While I agree that not all aspects of our culture is beneficial and should be done away with, it is our blatant hypocrisy and inferiority complex that irks me. If it was a White man dressed in this attire that silly shop owner would have thrown out a red carpet.

Most Africans are too dumb to reason logically.

If the Whiteman has dressed in a way that looked provocative or inappropriate for that environment he would have been sent out.

I have seen and read countless number of times that police were called on people who were not properly dressed or exposed their body.

It's not a cultural thing but decency.

Try wear bikini and go to a mall.

Deepfeel:
I believe the mall owner was genuinely scared of the man wearing traditional attire, perhaps scared that he might also use traditional powers to steal something from the mall

A man dressed in 18th century traditional attire has no business in a mall what will he buy there?

I wonder, he loves African culture so much but cannot let go of Western goodies.

hermesprogidy:
It's not Meji. It's Meiji. Emperor Meiji (The Meiji Restoration in the 18th Century) You are making my point. Lol. China's rise to greatness is way beyond wearing suits and trousers. Don't we wear suits and trousers here? China rose to greatness because of two things. Patriotism and competence. They quashed corruption, devalued the Yuan, and maximized their large population which made them an export hub, buy their products, and steal European and American technology. It has zero to do with some useless suit and tie.
On the red carpet thing, at least you agree an African will do that, and that was the premise of this discussion in the first place.

Weather suit or tie, the most important fact is that they depend on western technology and knowledge simple.

hermesprogidy:
The discussion itself is heavily nuanced, and I only called you out because you were inferring that China became successful because they started wearing suit and tie, but we can both agree that patriotism and competence trumps any sort of dress code when it pertains to National growth, and for the second part, at least you agree that inferiority complex played a role there. Inferiority complex is never ok, and that's my opinion.

What is patriotism with knowledge?

Will patriotism cause an Aircraft to defy law of gravity and fly?

jesmond3945:
so western dressing is your idea of modern ideas? What happens if we fine tune our culture to be dynamic and rival western styles? Many white people who got exposed to african styles, have dumped western style and never looked back.

Rival? Dreamer.

jesmond3945:
But whiteman goes around naked, some even wear skirt over how many centuries and we see nothing wrong

But in miami with all their civilization, people go around naked and with sagged jeans.

I have seen many white men walking under the rain without umbrella does it make them primitive?

The african culture white pay millions to watch and adore, is what we despise as africans. We want to be more white than the white man. I see it regularly here and it boils down to inferiority. I had to attack the african man who sells at the shop and if you see the way he mocked our culture, very sad.

As if it is only the white people going about naked in western culture, blacks too do it.

Most people go around semi naked around the beaches, if you are naked faraway from the beach, you can be jailed for public indecency.

One question for you, why are you not going about naked?

Why are you going about in white people clothes, shoes, computers, why do you drive white people cars, live in white people houses? Why are you going to the white man schools

Most of you are just hypocrites.

Stop using the white men things and see yourself back to the stone age.

motymop:
As if it is only the white people going about naked in western culture, blacks too do it.

Most people go around semi naked around the beaches, if you are naked faraway from the beach, you can be jailed for public indecency.

One question for you, why are you not going about naked?

Why are you going about in white people clothes, shoes, computers, why do you drive white people cars, live in white people houses? Why are you going to the white man schools

Most of you are just hypocrites.

Stop using the white men things and see yourself back to the stone age.

No one is saying Africans shouldn't use Western things. We are saying there should be room and respect for African things in Africa, without them being viewed as inferior and people insulted.

TMKsouth:
No one is saying Africans shouldn't use Western things. We are saying there should be room and respect for African things in Africa, without them being viewed as inferior and people insulted.

So African things is going about naked, when there is access to clothes, living in a hut when you can build a house, using spear and arrow to fight modern walfares, when you can make guns.

Are you saying, we as Africans should be proud of the lack of progress and development in our culture, that when other cultures are evolving we shouldn't evolve, we should be stagnant all because of culture.

So anything African does not progress, it is stagnant for ever, so Africans should be proud of stagnation.

TMKsouth:
Yeah, we don't like our girls hanging out with Nigerians coz the relationships are often transactional. The general assumption is Nigerians are into dirty business and buy women, not to mention using them as drug mules and trophies. So our girls associating with you guys are considered gold-diggers and amoral.

Hope you one of the good ones, but your relationship with Katlego is gonna be frowned upon.

Wish I could could say something positive about this, but public opinion is just too negative, from both men and women. Personally I judge all people on a case-by-case basis, and have friendly chats with some Nigerians over here, I lived in Hillbrow for 5 years during the noughties.

These days i live in the south of the Gauteng province but I'm still a regular in Joburg.

oh, I see the whole point now. I wouldn’t approve of such on our women too. I get it now!
But sometimes it’s not always about transaction when a man takes care of a woman he just met. Sure I gave her money to sort out some things she mentioned amidst our discuss and bought her a new phone but it wasn’t born out of sexual transaction but because I liked her a lot and have come to get so fond of her. Though everyone would definitely conclude it’s transactional like you pointed out. That’s why I seldom goes out with her throughout my stay there except on two occasions. I followed her to church on the first occasion and the mall the second time. I spent most of my time enjoying the cool breeze and drinking. I love nature and chilly atmosphere, and SA has got lots and lots of it.
I pray the xenophobic attacks don’t reoccur again atleast this year so I can visit again.

illicit:
I feel u but there's nothing cultural about this man....

He ought to behave like a civilised person if he wants the protection that civilisation offers

Is the culture in his sole custody

Other people who originally shared the same culture and origin with him has moved on, he is just stagnant....


If I should decide to go around nude today because our ancestors were actually like that, will you permit that? if I was ur son


female genitals mutilation is our culture, do u support it

Our ancestors were never nude, don't bring up stupid claims and lies to justify your rubbish point they had leaves covering their privates when there was no fabric neither was the man's penis dangling. If I was in that place I will instigate the burning down of that mall. FGM has no relationship to this issue.

motymop:
So African things is going about naked, when there is access to clothes, living in a hut when you can build a house, using spear and arrow to fight modern walfares, when you can make guns.

Are you saying, we as Africans should be proud of the lack of progress and development in our culture, that when other cultures are evolving we shouldn't evolve, we should be stagnant all because of culture.

So anything African does not progress, it is stagnant for ever, so Africans should be proud of stagnation.

Our cultures are constantly changing to suit modern life and it is most evident in how we have modified our traditional attire, like in the photos below.

But let's respect those who enjoy a simpler form of life. Why should we always seek to imposed our own way of thinking on others. The whites impose their ideas through the barrel of the gun and today you are doing it through humiliation.

TMKsouth:
Our cultures are constantly changing to suit modern life and it is most evident in how we have modified our traditional attire, like in the photos below.

But let's respect those who enjoy a simpler form of life. Why should we always seek to imposed our own way of thinking on others. The whites impose their ideas through the barrel of the gun and today you are doing it through humiliation.

Those that want simpler form of life should also be able to respect others too

You cant use western phones or have an Instagram, twitter account, visit the mall and then claim you want a simpler form of life.

I have never head about a villager that know about the mall, use a good camara phone, have Instagram account or want to live luxurious way of life.

The main actor of the gods must be crazy should be a reference point to those that want a simpler way of life