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shadeyinka:
By their fruit, they are known!
All over the world na them dey commit suicide bombings!

I concur Islam is a religion of PEACE after they have killed!

mhmsadyq:
Making yourselves happy?

It is a good thing. Well done.

yungmill:
Am very inquisitive, i never take anyones word for it if i dont verify for myself! What really prompted me to study islam was a muslim who tried to give me dawah! I had to verify his claims and from then on when i see them deceive people i just can't stand it so i learned more and since then i have been refuting them wherever we meet! Somehow i just don't fear them, even though they murdered my paternal grand parents because of their worthless allah in niger state!

adm212144:
oloshi omo ira Kiran.you better wake up so that you won’t fall mugu for your pastors with all these lies programmed on you guys .were

yungmill:
True! So many christains can't even explain their faith and the hope of their salvation talkless of debunking islam! I once saw a muslim utterly destroying a christsin evangelist on the street and other useful idiot christains were believing the abdul! I stepped in and within minutes exposed his deception and lies, had him running! Most christains now think only about prosperity and nothing else

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGmAKVHjRcQ

shadeyinka:
In my 200 L, the books of Ahmed Deedat tore my faith into sheds. I was almost reciting the shahada when I got myself a copy of the glorious Quran. The more I read, the more I saw several contradictions between the Quran and the bible. I was willing to go with Quran contradicting the New Testament but not both the NT and the OT. Muslim wouldnt understand why Miriam the Sister of Aaron cannot be Mary the Mother of Jesus. Suratu Yusuf in the quran didnt help matters at all in its unbelievable story of Joseph . I had to pause to reevaluate what I had believed as Christian faith. Islam is just for one purpose, that is to blind people to the free gift of God in Salvation through Christ.

shadeyinka:
If the Lord does not send help, there would be nothing like "the Faith" in the next few years.
Of a truth Jesus said:
When the Son of man comes, will He find faith on earth!?

shadeyinka:
Have your heard the story of your prophet Suleimans story when two women claimed ownership of a baby?
You Muslims are like the one who slept on her baby!

Religion of Hooligans!

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGmAKVHjRcQ

yungmill:
Saw many ahmed deedat videos and did my due diligence and saw his manipulations and lies

Easily refuted muslims who tried to use them against me! The best way to refute islam is to study it and let them be the first to speak, from their words 9 out of 10 contradicts allah with their own argument!

Empiree:
this is video evidence #3 I posted. I won't engage you on endless discussion. I only focus on evidences. So far two pastors confirmed you Christians are violent, hooligans, alatakiti confirmed in those videos. And this last video proof. So you can bark all you want.

CAN and christians are not only hooligans and alatakiti but are also illiterates as confirmed by this MUSLIM man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGmAKVHjRcQ

shadeyinka:
Zakir Naik has followed into Ahmed Deedat's footstep of lies and manipulations. Naik would even lie on plainly revealed arabic texts to Moslems. Muslims generally don't question their faith and that is their achilles heel all you need to do is to slow them down to be able to look at the logical fallacy of their claim, Only God can convict them however for the truth only hurts them, but it takes much more to convince them.

yungmill:
Yeah zakar liar is even worse! He ran from india and is in malaysia now! He is a wanted man, he lies like no tomorrow, good thing is now we have people who are arabs and christains who debunk their lies like CP! Muslims always lie and use arabic as cover up but CP and ROB christain roasts them every time.

shadeyinka:
In my 200 L, the books of Ahmed Deedat tore my faith into sheds. I was almost reciting the shahada when I got myself a copy of the glorious Quran. The more I read, the more I saw several contradictions between the Quran and the bible. I was willing to go with Quran contradicting the New Testament but not both the NT and the OT. Muslim wouldnt understand why Miriam the Sister of Aaron cannot be Mary the Mother of Jesus. Suratu Yusuf in the quran didnt help matters at all in its unbelievable story of Joseph . I had to pause to reevaluate what I had believed as Christian faith. Islam is just for one purpose, that is to blind people to the free gift of God in Salvation through Christ.

shadeyinka:
The first Taqqiyya is that the Arabic Quran cannot be Translated faithfully into another Language.
The second is that any arabic word can be made to mean something else other than the obvious!

Empiree:
this is video evidence #3 I posted. I won't engage you on endless discussion. I only focus on evidences. So far two pastors confirmed you Christians are violent, hooligans, alatakiti confirmed in those videos. And this last video proof. So you can bark all you want.

CAN and christians are not only hooligans and alatakiti but are also illiterates as confirmed by this MUSLIM man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGmAKVHjRcQ

mhmsadyq:
Ok.

I thought the bible has something different from the saying of Allah on that.


[30:58] Ar-Rūm-الرُّوْم
"وَ لَقَدۡ ضَرَبۡنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِیۡ ہٰذَا الۡقُرۡاٰنِ مِنۡ کُلِّ مَثَلٍ ؕ وَ لَئِنۡ جِئۡتَہُمۡ بِاٰیَۃٍ لَّیَقُوۡلَنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡۤا اِنۡ اَنۡتُمۡ اِلَّا مُبۡطِلُوۡنَ ﴿۵۸﴾

And in truth We have elucidated every type of example in this Qur’an for the people (to make them understand). And if you bring them some (visible) sign, even then these disbelieving people will certainly say: ‘You are only doing falsehood and fraud.’

yungmill:
Says the chief mugu of pedo muhammed and demon allah!

Omo ase! Benchod, madrachod!

adm212144:
lol he pain you .truth is bitter you Better wake up before your pastor milk you dry otherwise he will program

mhmsadyq:
Kefiriii,

May frustration not kiii you there.

I guess your bible has it own description of embryology, stick to your book and leave me with mine in peace.

Are an embryologist?

This is what you seek:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068791/#__sec7title

Islie:
Bauchi Community Torture, Burn Man To Death For Allegedly Insulting Prophet Muhammad



https://saharareporters.com/2021/03/30/bauchi-community-torture-burn-man-death-allegedly-insulting-prophet-muhammad

shadeyinka:
The first Taqqiyya is that the Arabic Quran cannot be Translated faithfully into another Language.
The second is that any arabic word can be made to mean something else other than the obvious!

yungmill:
I tell people who wants to convert give just one month to study the koran, hadiths, sunah and serah! Then scrutinize christainity objectively then apply same level of scrutiny to islam and see which one crumbles under the burden of truth, and its always islam everytime!

In my area they use peoples problems and affinities to entice ans give dawah so many just willingly follow without questioning but when i challenge them that with their own sources i will refute the lies they were fed and actually do it then they begin to study and apostatize

shadeyinka:
I agree, use the same standard Muslims use to judge the bible and the Quran fails miserably. There is no point of comparison. First, you are confronted with a book where it looks like someone tore a book into chapters and subchapters then rearranged it in some random order. How can such a book be understood. Before you say anything, they'll say the Al Kithab-the mother of all books had been in existence in heaven before Muhammad came. Even then, they refuse to see that this contradicts common sense.

Muslims want us to believe that we serve the same God (another Taqqiyya) but in reality, they want to replace Yahwey with the god Allah (of whom they don't even know its real name other than "the god". If the Jews and Moslems serve the same monotheistic God, how come Allah hate the Jews with a passion? Too much lies believed because of senseless repetition!

mhmsadyq:
It has always been herculean to directly translate one language to another. Not just the Qur'an but any book and any language, because no two languages are exactly the same.
In cases where you may not find an exact meaning to a word or phrase, you make do with close substitutes, which in some cases may change the meaning in the understanding of the second language speaker. You may need a phrase in one language to give meaning to a word in another language.

Try comparing English and your first language, which i guess is Yoruba. You will discover that some words in either language cannot be translated to the other without bringing more words in some cases for a better understanding.

The Muslims are lucky to still have the Qur'an in its original language very much around and in use. But it still doesn't follow that because one can read and speak Arabic, he can competently translate the Qur'an to another language.

In doing this, some islamic scholars fault certain translations of the Qur'an.
Therefore, it is not all translations of the Qur'an that are acceptable. There are criteria for an acceptable translation, which translators must meet or else have their translation rejected.
This is the problem with translations.

mhmsadyq:
It has always been herculean to directly translate one language to another. Not just the Qur'an but any book and any language, because no two languages are exactly the same.
In cases where you may not find an exact meaning to a word or phrase, you make do with close substitutes, which in some cases may change the meaning in the understanding of the second language speaker. You may need a phrase in one language to give meaning to a word in another language.

Try comparing English and your first language, which i guess is Yoruba. You will discover that some words in either language cannot be translated to the other without bringing more words in some cases for a better understanding.

The Muslims are lucky to still have the Qur'an in its original language very much around and in use. But it still doesn't follow that because one can read and speak Arabic, he can competently translate the Qur'an to another language.

In doing this, some islamic scholars fault certain translations of the Qur'an.
Therefore, it is not all translations of the Qur'an that are acceptable. There are criteria for an acceptable translation, which translators must meet or else have their translation rejected.
This is the problem with translations.

yungmill:
True! Was waiting for the abduls to bring up the holey perfectly preserved koran! So i can blast them and use their arguments against them! The funniest thing is allah is the name of the nabataean god the prehistoric ancestors of the quraish tribe of madhamad! So allah who says he shares not his attributes of which allah is his name and attributes, shares it with a pagan Oh dear abduls are blind!

shadeyinka:
Muslims always forget that Allah has no son but he has three daughters: Al-Lat , Al-'Uzza and Manat.

Beautiful daughters they are!

Empiree:
this is video evidence #3 I posted. I won't engage you on endless discussion. I only focus on evidences. So far two pastors confirmed you Christians are violent, hooligans, alatakiti confirmed in those videos. And this last video proof. So you can bark all you want.

CAN and christians are not only hooligans and alatakiti but are also illiterates as confirmed by this MUSLIM man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGmAKVHjRcQ

shadeyinka:
Mallam Mhmsadyq even though you have avoided answering my question which proves the quran to be wrong, I will answer this post of yours.
https://www.nairaland.com/6484504/man-burnt-death-insulting-prophet/22#100445267

Every language can be translated into another language. There could be some difficulty where cultural differences occur or where figures of speech mean something else in the other language or when an object or subject is entirely absent in the other culture. The problem of language translation is the difference in CULTURAL BACKGROUND and not the language itself. Humans have been dealing with this since the inception of differences in language. There are some real problem of language within itself because meanings of a word may change with time. Example EWA (beans) and EREE (beans). While I was younger, we use EWA for cooked beans while EREE was used for uncooked beans. Modern day Yoruba hardly mention the word EREE again, every kind of beans is EWA.

This bring some real practical problem against ISLAM
1. What is the Language of Allah and the Jinns?
2. What language had God been using to speak to the early prophets?
3. Is learning a language synonymous with mastering the culture behind the language?

Would you agree with me that language translator have much deeper experience with the Language, Culture, History and Linguistics of the two languages sometimes better than the natural speaker of a single language? Example most teenagers in Nigeria has never spent kobo coin (they hear about it but cant comprehend that a sweet used to be one kobo). Interestingly, a non-Nigerian who was an adult in the 1970's can speak more about this currency than us modern day Nigerians. So also is the language. A Saudi Arabian even though grew up speaking and Reading Arabic may not comprehend the Quran as much as an English man who read only the English Translation of the Quran all his life). How does the Dinar or Dirham used in the time of your prophet differ from that used in Libya, UAE and Saudi-Arabia? Even though the words used as money is the same in Arabic, do they mean exactly the same thing?

4. Is it then true that the "language of Allah" must be learnt to be able to understand what Allah is saying?