Dtruthspeaker:


Of course you are demanding that he do the Impossible!

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts The parts The Creator has Revealed to the creation"

Just as your phone only knows the warmth of your hands and your voice, but it does not and cannot know where you work or live many other things!

I know that you hate hearing this Answer, but if you ask it, I am going to tell it, until you can supply a Valid Counter as you usually do to the little ones you are able defeat!

Funny how you always use the laughing emoji multiple times in all your posts to hide your frustration. I can see how disturbed and restless you are. You've been itching to quote me ever since you saw this thread.
Funny how you didn't use Tesla or Toyota to make your point today.
And this comparison of phones/computers to humans is really childish. Are you a phone or computer?
If your god cannot reveal itself to those who do not believe in it, and end the long term debate of its existence, then it'll forever remain the figment of your imagination.
And no, I don't hate hearing your answer. It's just that it still won't make sense no matter how many times you repeat it. You get?
So run along like you did the last time.

truespeak:




I was just about to ask if this Movie has ended for the only thing I am interested in, is the Credit Roll!

But I see you have done the Honours Already!

Yo, when you're rollin with the FOJ, anything can happen
What, what, say what, say what, anything can happen!

Dtruthspeaker:



Yo, when you're rollin with the FOJ, anything can happen
What, what, say what, say what, anything can happen!

Dtruthspeaker:


Do you not see that the Op is One Of your Guys, pretending to be a Believer in God? Oh I get it, you do not care!

Yeah, that's your way.
When one of your own seems to be losing an argument, you disassociate yourself from them, because you don't want to have the feeling that your belief is being trashed in the mud.

truespeak:




I was just about to ask if this Movie has ended for the only thing I am interested in, is the Credit Roll!

But I see you have done the Honours Already!

This man, you have started quoting yourself again

FatherOfJesus:
This man, you have started quoting yourself again

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After being Caught for Duplicating yourself which we had earlier told you you Must and Shall be Caught, you now wish to return to your former accusation which has failed Severally and shall Continuously fail!

For Truth Withstandeth All Accusations and Feareth Not!

Oh boy eee!

truespeak:


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After being Caught for Duplicating yourself which we had earlier told you you Must and Shall be Caught, you now wish to return to your former accusation which has failed Severally and shall Continuously fail!

For Truth Withstandeth All Accusations and Feareth Not!

Oh boy eee!

You think you are fooling anybody. Do you know what it takes to be an atheist?

You have to be smart enough to identify little pranks by theists

FatherOfJesus:
This man, you have started quoting yourself again

Lol, na their way. All in a bid to score cheap internet points. See him using his alternate account to disown the op because he knows that his fellow Christian brother's argument doesn't have any head.

FatherOfJesus:
You think you are fooling anybody. Do you know what it takes to be an atheist?

You have to be smart enough to identify little pranks by theists

Now you seek to Remove yourself from the Spotlight cast by your Discovery!

Bros, kolework uuu!

kingxsamz:

Funny how you always use the laughing emoji multiple times in all your posts to hide your frustration.

Oh good observation man, I love being happy and Religion Section is One of the Places to be!

kingxsamz:

I can see how disturbed and restless you are. You've been itching to quote me ever since you saw this thread.

I hate to see the great foolishness that is prevalent in the land and the fact that the people do not see that they are being foolish!

So I must come to pour water upon the fires of foolishness!

kingxsamz:

Funny how you didn't use Tesla or Toyota to make your point today.

Variety is Life, son! Vari-ety

kingxsamz:

And this comparison of phones/computers to humans is really childish. Are you a phone or computer?

Man is not different from a chair or bed or bag curtain, they are both together creations who never created themselves!

kingxsamz:

If your god cannot reveal itself to those who do not believe in it, and end the long term debate of its existence, then it'll forever remain the figment of your imagination.

So every year, In every century, He would leave his business to come and do "State Visit" to his Toys eh, because some of them do not want to believe that He has Visited before, since they were not around when He Visited eh?

Even you have not gone back in a looking Time to visit your toys, because you have more important things to do than to "Mark Present sir", "Tufiakwa" to your toys which you will never do to your toys

kingxsamz:

And no, I don't hate hearing your answer. It's just that it still won't make sense no matter how many times you repeat it. You get?
So run along like you did the last time.

ah so I am free to keep singing it, so here I go

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts, The parts, The Creator has Revealed to the creation"

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts, The parts, The Creator has Revealed to the creation"

Sing with me!

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts...

kingxsamz:


Lol, na their way. All in a bid to score cheap internet points. See him using his alternate account to disown the op because he knows that his fellow Christian brother's argument doesn't have any head.

Mr Waka Pass coming to the rescue of your drowned brother and returning to your previous Woefully Failed Chant!

We have argued this Severally and You Woefully Lost Severally for as your brother has just been discovered so would we have been discovered if we were the same.

As I told your dead brother, Truth fears no Discovery or Accusations, it Withstands Them All!

So you can once again return to your Failed Chant for that is Always Always what you do when you Grievously Fail!

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kingxsamz:

Yeah, that's your way.
When one of your own seems to be losing an argument, you disassociate yourself from them, because you don't want to have the feeling that your belief is being trashed in the mud.

Naah! He is one of your boys and my people knew that this was a Movie did you not think it curious that none of my pips came during its performance?

We knew, obviously you did not, which is understandable since he is one of your boizes

truespeak:


I do not think he was aware that he just starred as a "waka pass" in this Movie!

yeah, they cut him off and threw him out but they did not tell him, Back Stabbers!

Dtruthspeaker:


yeah, they cut him off and threw him out but they did not tell him, Back Stabbers!

Dtruthspeaker:


Naah! He is one of your boys and my people knew that this was a Movie did you not think it curious that none of my pips came during its performance?

We knew, obviously you did not, which is understandable since he is one of your boizes

You mean you and your alternate account?

truespeak:


Mr Waka Pass coming to the rescue of your drowned brother and returning to your previous Woefully Failed Chant!

We have argued this Severally and You Woefully Lost Severally for as your brother has just been discovered so would we have been discovered if we were the same.

As I told your dead brother, Truth fears no Discovery or Accusations, it Withstands Them All!

So you can once again return to your Failed Chant for that is Always Always what you do when you Grievously Fail!

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No dey quote me with two different accounts abeg. It's irritating.

kingxsamz:


No dey quote me with two different accounts abeg. It's irritating.

Did I not say it?

The Chant of LOSERSAMZ whenever he LOSES!

Keep on Chanting, it is Music to my ears!

Dtruthspeaker:


Oh good observation man, I love being happy and Religion Section is One of the Places to be!



I hate to see the great foolishness that is prevalent in the land and the fact that the people do not see that they are being foolish!

So I must come to pour water upon the fires of foolishness!



Variety is Life, son! Vari-ety



Man is not different from a chair or bed or bag curtain, they are both together creations who never created themselves!



So every year, In every century, He would leave his business to come and do "State Visit" to his Toys eh, because some of them do not want to believe that He has Visited before, since they were not around when He Visited eh?

Even you have not gone back in a looking Time to visit your toys, because you have more important things to do than to "Mark Present sir", "Tufiakwa" to your toys which you will never do to your toys



ah so I am free to keep singing it, so here I go

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts, The parts, The Creator has Revealed to the creation"

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts, The parts, The Creator has Revealed to the creation"

Sing with me!

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts...

Yeah, exactly, you can keep ranting the same thing when you see my posts. It still won't make sense either way.
When your god is ready to reveal itself then let us know. For now it will always be the sky fairy Santa Claus in the figment of your imagination. If your god no like am, make the guy come down here show face, rather than hiding like a church rat.
Good day.

truespeak:


Did I not say it?

The Chant of LOSERSAMZ whenever he LOSES!

Keep on Chanting, it is Music to my ears!

Keep hiding your tears behind emojis.
And keep replying and quoting yourself to make you feel better. You go dey alright at the end.

kingxsamz:


Yeah, exactly, you can keep ranting the same thing when you see my posts. It still won't make sense either way.
When your god is ready to reveal itself then let us know. For now it will always be the sky fairy Santa Claus in the figment of your imagination. If your god no like am, make the guy come down here show face, rather than hiding like a church rat.
Good day.

That is the Great Thing about being A Creator, When He Comes to His creations, they Must Know!

kingxsamz:


Keep hiding your tears behind emojis.
And keep replying and quoting yourself to make you feel better. You go dey alright at the end.

Chant me a river (go on and just)
Chant me a river (go on and just)
Chant me a river (Samz, go on and just)
Chant me a river

Oh!
The damage is done, so I guess I be leaving

Oh!
The damage is done, so I guess I be leaving

Oh!
The damage is done, so I guess I be leaving

Oh!
.....

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truespeak:


Now you seek to Remove yourself from the Spotlight cast by your Discovery!

Bros, kolework uuu!

Just enjoy yourself, you are not fooling anyone

FatherOfJesus:
Just enjoy yourself, you are not fooling anyone

Still trying to Save your Damaged face!

E Dead!

Meanwhile I am enjoying myself, thank you!

truespeak:




Still trying to Save your Damaged face!

E Dead!

Meanwhile I am enjoying myself, thank you!

Lol, can we focus on the topic now? ;S

Dtruthspeaker:


That is the Great Thing about being A Creator, When He Comes to His creations, they Must Know!

Eyah, but the creator dey hide like church rat.
Even rat get mind sef. Tell your Creator to show face na.

truespeak:



Chant me a river (go on and just)
Chant me a river (go on and just)
Chant me a river (Samz, go on and just)
Chant me a river

Oh!
The damage is done, so I guess I be leaving

Oh!
The damage is done, so I guess I be leaving

Oh!
The damage is done, so I guess I be leaving

Oh!
.....

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I love how you think you're savage or being funny.
Keep living in fool's paradise.
You must really have some sort of desire to seek relevance or to be noticed by quoting and liking your own posts. Such level of insecurity... You should seek help.

kingxsamz:


I love how you think you're savage or being funny.
Keep living in fool's paradise.
You must really have some sort of desire to seek relevance or to be noticed by quoting and liking your own posts. Such level of insecurity... You should seek help.

Hermes119:
.Jus admit it you can't answer the question.
This is the problem I have with you people,you claim atheists are proud while you are the ones that are proud and dishonest. If you don't know something simply say you don't know it,you don't owe anybody any explanations,its not our job to explain how the universe came into existence,something that people who are naturally smarter than you and have more information than you have dedicated their lives to and still can't provide a satisfactory answer to,nobody would hold you responsible to answer such question.

Your argument is dishonest

How can you claim the universe must have a beginning, do you know exactly how the universe functions,do you know enough about the universe to make such bold statements ?

Now you say the universe was created by God and that God is self existent and then I ask again,do you know enough about this God that created the universe to claim that it must be self existent ?


You are just sitting in the comfort of your house and using philosophy to explain things that the smartest scientists with cutting edge technology and all the latest information are trying to explain and you want us to take us serious
. The universe is not something you just imagine,you have to STUDY it,learn how it functions before you can make any bold statements,we don't even know enough so I don't know how you came to the conclusion hat the universe must have a beginning


See guy if u want to be a Christian be a Christian, religion is faith,don't be using all these outdated and bastardized arguments to score cheap points



Like I said even if we are to accept ur argument then WHAT ?

This is just emotional rambling. There is nothing worth tackling here.

hiddendude:
1. The universe couldn't have always existed as this is inconsistent to how we experience it. Cause and effect work with a forward computation of time from a possible point (a possible infinity).
There are two kinds of infinity (possible infinity and actual infinity). A possible infinity begins with a point in the past and continues infinitely into the future. An actual infinity exists infinitely in the past and continues infinitely into the future (e.g integers on a number line).

2. If the universe were an actual infinity, then the present epoch would be logically impossible. How? Like I posited in the first argument, cause and effect work with a forward computation of time from a possible point. We understand this because we get to present times by successive additions. To understand this, think of the number line. The number 0 stands for the present epoch/point in time, negative numbers represent past epochs and positive numbers represent future epochs. Think of a hypothetical situation in which you have to traverse the number line from negative numbers to 0 (you do this by making successive additions e.g -3, -2 (-3+1), -1(-2+1), 0 (-1+1)). Such an addition is only possible if you have a starting point from which such additions can be made. If you traverse infinitely into the negative part of the number line (i.e numbers before 0 on the number line), you'll never make successive additions because it would be impossible to pick a starting point, hence you'll never get to 0.

3. If the universe existed infinitely in the past, there can be no cause and effect because a forward computation of time would be impossible within the universe.

4. The universe must have a beginning for cause and effect to be possible.

5. If the universe had a beginning, then itself is an effect of a greater cause. Whatever caused the universe must itself not be caused as this would lead to an infinite regress which we must reject because we know it is possible to make forward computations of time which would not be possible with an infinite regress as demonstrated using the number line. This thus leads us to infer that this cause is itself actually infinite.

6. This actually infinite cause transcends the universe because it precedes it.

7. Thus God is the best possible explanation for this as the concept of God assumes actual infinity is a feature of God.

I'm open to counterarguments with logic.

Your understanding of infinity is flawed, Infinity minus infinity is not zero, it is still infinity. If the universe were infinite there's no way you'd even be able to comprehend it. As it stands the scientific understand of the universe comes to a halt at the event of the big bang beyond which human understanding has not penetrated. If you are discussing on the nature of the begins or origins of the universe, you must necessarily be doing it based on speculation, educated or otherwise. To now come to a conclusion that it must then be a god that did it is a suspect conclusion.

I will attempt a more comprehensive answer later.

LordReed:


Your understanding of infinity is flawed, Infinity minus infinity is not zero, it is still infinity. If the universe were infinite there's no way you'd even be able to comprehend it. As it stands the scientific understand of the universe comes to a halt at the event of the big bang beyond which human understanding has not penetrated. If you are discussing on the nature of the begins or origins of the universe, you must necessarily be doing it based on speculation, educated or otherwise. To now come to a conclusion that it must then be a god that did it is a suspect conclusion.

I will attempt a more comprehensive answer later.

Too many flaws will emerge from his argument then Ultimate Boeing’s 747 gambit will eventually make the whole discussion become a vicious circle.

kingxsamz:


Eyah, but the creator dey hide like church rat.
Even rat get mind sef. Tell your Creator to show face na.

if toothpick like make e hala and curse toothbrush tilll e voice hoarse na wen e Owner wan put am for mouth, e must to enter mouth

I understand you just want to have the last word, oya carry am go.

Arsenella007:
My only question is how come out of all the planets that were formed out of the big bang, only earth supports life?

The earth is the only planet we know that supports life. It's in the right position to support life due to the distance from it's nearest star. It's neither too close nor too far.. Moreover, there's liquid water and that also contributes immensely to life as we know.