The Islamic stance on alcohol is clear. It is forbidden! At the start of Islam Alcohol was permitted and was later forbidden.
And Alcohol and Gambling were forbidden in the same verse.

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?
Surat 5:90-91

Christian views on alcohol are varied. Three views exists in Christianity viz: moderationism, abstentionism and prohibitionism.
Moderationism simply means being moderate in drinking.
Absentionism refers to the notion that not imbibing was wisest at the moment.
Prohibitionism means drinking alcohol is a sin.

For the first 1,800 years of Christianity, taking alcoholic beverages was normal. It was during the mid 19th century that the Protestants moved from moderationism to Absentionism and Prohibitionism.

However, It is proven that the first miracle of Jesus was to turn water in to wine. And the context shows it was an alcoholic wine that is capable of making people drunk.

John 2:1-10
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2and Jesus and His disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine ran out, Jesus’ mother said to Him, “They have no more wine.”......Now six stone water jars had been set there for the Jewish rites of purification. Each could hold from twenty to thirty gallons. Jesus told the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” So they filled them to the brim.
Now draw some out,” He said, “and take it to the master of the banquet.” They did so. and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not know where it was from, but the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone serves the fine wine first, and then the cheap wine after the guests are drunk. But you have saved the fine wine until now!”

The word translated as "drunk" above is Methysthōsin in Greek which means to be intoxicated with wine, be drunk. From another form of methe; to drink to intoxication, i.e. Get drunk.

Other verses on Alcohol from Paul:
1. “Stop drinking only water and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent ailments”—1 Timothy 5:23
2. “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.”—Ephesians 5:18
3. “It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything to cause your brother to stumble.”—Romans 14:21

However there's no concrete prohibition of Gambling in the Bible.

NB Only a foolish person should derail this thread!

Op,which one u take?

donbachi:
Op,which one u take?

OP you can chose to look anyhow you want, pls tell your boko brothers to stop the killings.

bigiyaro:
OP you can chose to look anyhow you want, pls tell your boko brothers to stop the killings.

Only a numbskul talk like this. My brothers are among the Nigerian/Chadian/Nigerien Muslims soldiers killing Boko Haram.

Alright get well soon!

AntiChristian:


Only a numbskul talk like this. My brothers are among the Nigerian/Chadian/Nigerien Muslims soldiers killing Boko Haram.

Alright get well soon!

only a bigot and a fanatic does what you are doing, you only just lack the guts to start killing.

bigiyaro:
only a bigot and a fanatic does what you are doing, you only just lack the guts to start killing.

Who are the Nigerian/Chadian/Nigerien Muslims soldiers killing?

Boko Haram!

And you still claim Muslims are terrorist? Stop being foolish! If you can't say anything on the topic, why not keep mute?

The book says but when there is no holy spirit, adherent may never grasp the concept so you'll need to continue forcing them which will later lead to brutality as all Islamic countries are in chaos today!

Statistics shows that during the month of Ramadan breweries, prostitutes and Baba Ijebu often make lesser gain!

Definitely your Qur'an is like a toothless dog that it's owner is the one biting defaulters instead of the dog!

AntiChristian:
The Islamic stance on alcohol is clear. It is forbidden! At the start of Islam Alcohol was permitted and was later forbidden.
And Alcohol and Gambling were forbidden in the same verse.

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?
Surat 5:90-91

Christian views on alcohol are varied. Three views exists in Christianity viz: moderationism, abstentionism and prohibitionism.
Moderationism simply means being moderate in drinking.
Absentionism refers to the notion that not imbibing was wisest at the moment.
Prohibitionism means drinking alcohol is a sin.

For the first 1,800 years of Christianity, taking alcoholic beverages was normal. It was during the mid 19th century that the Protestants moved from moderationism to Absentionism and Prohibitionism.

However, It is proven that the first miracle of Jesus was to turn water in to wine. And the context shows it was an alcoholic wine that is capable of making people drunk.

John 2:1-10
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2and Jesus and His disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine ran out, Jesus’ mother said to Him, “They have no more wine.”......Now six stone water jars had been set there for the Jewish rites of purification. Each could hold from twenty to thirty gallons. Jesus told the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” So they filled them to the brim.
Now draw some out,” He said, “and take it to the master of the banquet.” They did so. and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not know where it was from, but the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone serves the fine wine first, and then the cheap wine after the guests are drunk. But you have saved the fine wine until now!”

The word translated as "drunk" above is Methysthōsin in Greek which means to be intoxicated with wine, be drunk. From another form of methe; to drink to intoxication, i.e. Get drunk.

Other verses on Alcohol from Paul:
1. “Stop drinking only water and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent ailments”—1 Timothy 5:23
2. “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.”—Ephesians 5:18
3. “It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything to cause your brother to stumble.”—Romans 14:21

However there's no concrete prohibition of Gambling in the Bible.

Allah said the alcohol he banned on earth will be made available for you in heaven because there's a river of wine in his filthy paradise and Muhammad further explain that sex and sex is what will be taking place in Islamic paradise.


Allah went ahead by saying he will make young boys available for Muslim gays

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

يَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ وِلْدٰنٌ مُّخَلَّدُونَ
"There will circulate among them young boys made eternal"
(QS. Al-Waaqia 56: Verse 17)

Maximus69:

Na wa o!

AntiChristian just beg this guy say you're sorry this won't repeat itself again nah!

He has finished your Islam kwatakwata!

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

مَّثَلُ الْجَنَّةِ الَّتِى وُعِدَ الْمُتَّقُونَ  ۖ فِيهَآ أَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ مَّآءٍ غَيْرِ ءَاسِنٍ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ لَّبَنٍ لَّمْ يَتَغَيَّرْ طَعْمُهُۥ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ خَمْرٍ لَّذَّةٍ لِّلشّٰرِبِينَ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ عَسَلٍ مُّصَفًّى  ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ الثَّمَرٰتِ وَمَغْفِرَةٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ  ۖ كَمَنْ هُوَ خٰلِدٌ فِى النَّارِ وَسُقُوا مَآءً حَمِيمًا فَقَطَّعَ أَمْعَآءَهُمْ
"Is the description of Paradise, which the righteous are promised, wherein are rivers of water unaltered, rivers of milk the taste of which never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of purified honey, in which they will have from all [kinds of] fruits and forgiveness from their Lord, like [that of] those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines?"
(QS. Muhammad 47: Verse 15)


Antichristian, come and see how your foolish god said what he pronounced as Haram on earth will be made halal for you in heaven.


Allah was even confused, he initially said you could drink alcohol or earth only that you shouldn't approach prayers when you're drunk, why did he change his mind? Was he drunk when making the first pronouncement?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَقْرَبُوا الصَّلٰوةَ وَأَنْتُمْ سُكٰرٰى حَتّٰى تَعْلَمُوا مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِى سَبِيلٍ حَتّٰى تَغْتَسِلُوا  ۚ وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ مَّرْضٰىٓ أَوْ عَلٰى سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنْكُمْ مِّنَ الْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لٰمَسْتُمُ النِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَآءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ  ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا
"O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands [with it]. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 43)

advocatejare:


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

مَّثَلُ الْجَنَّةِ الَّتِى وُعِدَ الْمُتَّقُونَ  ۖ فِيهَآ أَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ مَّآءٍ غَيْرِ ءَاسِنٍ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ لَّبَنٍ لَّمْ يَتَغَيَّرْ طَعْمُهُۥ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ خَمْرٍ لَّذَّةٍ لِّلشّٰرِبِينَ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ عَسَلٍ مُّصَفًّى  ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ الثَّمَرٰتِ وَمَغْفِرَةٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ  ۖ كَمَنْ هُوَ خٰلِدٌ فِى النَّارِ وَسُقُوا مَآءً حَمِيمًا فَقَطَّعَ أَمْعَآءَهُمْ
"Is the description of Paradise, which the righteous are promised, wherein are rivers of water unaltered, rivers of milk the taste of which never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of purified honey, in which they will have from all [kinds of] fruits and forgiveness from their Lord, like [that of] those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines?"
(QS. Muhammad 47: Verse 15)


Antichristian, come and see how your foolish god said what he pronounced as Haram on earth will be made halal for you in heaven.


Allah was even confused, he initially said you could drink alcohol or earth only that you shouldn't approach prayers when you're drunk, why did he change his mind? Was he drunk when making the first pronouncement?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَقْرَبُوا الصَّلٰوةَ وَأَنْتُمْ سُكٰرٰى حَتّٰى تَعْلَمُوا مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِى سَبِيلٍ حَتّٰى تَغْتَسِلُوا  ۚ وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ مَّرْضٰىٓ أَوْ عَلٰى سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنْكُمْ مِّنَ الْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لٰمَسْتُمُ النِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَآءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ  ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا
"O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands [with it]. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 43)

Where is AntiChristian the original (Omo osàn)?

AntiChristian:


Who are the Nigerian/Chadian/Nigerien Muslims soldiers killing?

Boko Haram!

And you still claim Muslims are terrorist? Stop being foolish! If you can't say anything on the topic, why not keep mute?

someone will just wake up, chose "Antichristian" as a monica/username, starts to compare Christianity and Islam, he puts all his efforts in painting Christianity in a bad light, tries his best to show that Christianity is evil..... tell me the difference between you and terrorists, why don't you leave Christianity alone and focus on preaching islam ?? your body language shows you are a potential terrorist since your mission is to put down Christianity, and just like your ancestors, you will fail woefully.

AntiChristian:

The word translated as "drunk" above is Methysthōsin in Greek which means to be intoxicated with wine, be drunk. From another form of methe; to drink to intoxication, i.e. Get drunk.

Other verses on Alcohol from Paul:
1. “Stop drinking only water and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent ailments”—1 Timothy 5:23
2. “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.”—Ephesians 5:18
3. “It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything to cause your brother to stumble.”—Romans 14:21

However there's no concrete prohibition of Gambling in the Bible.

God is not against gambling. Nor is He against drinking ... they are not listed as sins so anyone is free to indulge.

Kobojunkie:

God is not against gambling. Nor is He against drinking ... they are not listed as sins so anyone is free to indulge.

Ah!

bigiyaro:
someone will just wake up, chose "Antichristian" as a monica/username, starts to compare Christianity and Islam, he puts all his efforts in painting Christianity in a bad light, tries his best to show that Christianity is evil..... tell me the difference between you and terrorists, why don't you leave Christianity alone and focus on preaching islam ?? your body language shows you are a potential terrorist since your mission is to put down Christianity, and just like your ancestors, you will fail woefully.

Please shut up. If you have anything upstairs + holy spirit you ought to attack the message not the messenger!

Stop acting like an empty barrel!

Maximus69:


Where is AntiChristian the original (Omo osàn)?

You are an elder and i don't want to disrespect you. When kids behave like one, the aged should regard themselves too.

AntiChristian:


You are an elder and i don't want to disrespect you. When kids behave like one, the aged should regard themselves too.

There's nothing like respect in intellectual talks, you only need to speak on what you understand not what they infused in your head!

Maximus69:

There's nothing like respect in intellectual talks, you only need to speak on what you understand not what they infused in your head!

So in essence anything goes whether truthful/falsehood/ debasing?

Great!

AntiChristian:


So in essence anything goes whether truthful/falsehood/ debasing?

Great!

The bolded is why you're here, so make it a point of duty to defend the TRUTH not just what you're taught to believe as truth!

Maximus69:


The bolded is why you're here, so make it a point of duty to defend the TRUTH not just what you're taught to believe as truth!

Agbalagba to nse langba….

The topic is about Alcohol. Jehovah witness sabi drink na! I saw it on your website jw.org that drinking alcohol is normal and excess is what is frowned at which is moderationism!

So where is the Truth? You claiming Moderationism or other Christians claiming Abstentionism and Prohibitionism?

Which lie is in the OP cos i don't understand you!

AntiChristian:


Agbalagba to nse langba….

The topic is about Alcohol. Jehovah witness sabi drink na! I saw it on your website jw.org that drinking alcohol is normal and excess is what is frowned at which is moderationism!

So where is the Truth? You claiming Moderationism or other Christians claiming Abstentionism and Prohibitionism?

Which lie is in the OP cos i don't understand you!

TRUTH is when you consider the benefits of both as adherents continue living by the standard!

What is the evil in alcoholic beverages that those abstaining from it are safe from it?

and

What is the gain those saying moderacy is the best policy?

That's how to figure out where the truth is, there are religionists who claims that they are obeying the rule "you must not kill" so because of this, they will not even kill mosquito, whereas the mosquito bites them, infected them with malaria and kill them!

So think about the benefits not just what they're saying!

AntiChristian:


Please shut up. If you have anything upstairs + holy spirit you ought to attack the message not the messenger!

Stop acting like an empty barrel!

lol, your lazy Allah that needs someone to kill for him when is so called Koran is burnt

AntiChristian:


Please shut up. If you have anything upstairs + holy spirit you ought to attack the message not the messenger!

Stop acting like an empty barrel!

lolzz head slamming terrorist, I learnt your brothers just murdered 80 people in borno , lolzz they even preached to them before killing them in cold blood, just like I said, Osama your mentor tried and failed, you are failing too, stupid terrorist all because of punna. idiot messenger.

bigiyaro:
lolzz head slamming terrorist, I learnt your brothers just murdered 80 people in borno , lolzz they even preached to them before killing them in cold blood, just like I said, Osama your mentor tried and failed, you are failing too, stupid terrorist all because of punna. idiot messenger.

See Ignorance and arrogance! How old are you? How is this related to the OP?

SIONKPO1:

lol, your lazy Allah that needs someone to kill for him when is so called Koran is burnt

I checked your comment and it is devoid of sense! How is this related to the OP?

Maximus69:


TRUTH is when you consider the benefits of both as adherents continue living by the standard!

What is the evil in alcoholic beverages that those abstaining from it are safe from it?

and

What is the gain those saying moderacy is the best policy?

That's how to figure out where the truth is, there are religionists who claims that they are obeying the rule "you must not kill" so because of this, they will not even kill mosquito, whereas the mosquito bites them, infected them with malaria and kill them!

So think about the benefits not just what they're saying!

To get what's the evil in alcoholic beverages you may google that. And you can advice your kids and grand kids to drink as they like. Don't put the 18+ cap cos that one no dey available in your Bible!

All is well.

Was Gambling mentioned in your JW Bible? Or Jesus permits gambling?

AntiChristian:


I checked your comment and it is devoid of sense! How is this related to the OP?

Check what you posted that I responded to zombie
I dare your Allah to attack me,why fight for him

SIONKPO1:

Check what you posted that I responded to zombie
I dare your Allah to attack me,why fight for him

Galatians 3:1

AntiChristian:


To get what's the evil in alcoholic beverages you may google that. And you can advice your kids and grand kids to drink as they like. Don't put the 18+ cap cos that one no dey available in your Bible!

6All is well.

Was Gambling mentioned in your JW Bible? Or Jesus permits gambling?

Ignorant boy,do you know the active contents in drugs and are you aware that it intoxicates