₦airaland Forum

DubaiLandLord:
An armed group ambushed some Nigerian soldiers. Instead of going after the attackers, they are killing armless civilians and burning Nigerian citizens properties.

in a situation where the the king palace is use as a hideout for the criminal? refusing and liaring not know the wereabout of the criminal.the solider that gave peace to the community when they was heavy community clash, is the solider you killed, then they will rain hell on you. but sahara say it was 28 milion the was guiding

kinda daft. idea of being a good journalist is to ask questions from the victims and those accused of the crimes. So both sides need to explain themselves. That's called unbiased reporting.

joscofelix2:
in a situation where the the king palace is use as a hideout for the criminal? refusing and liaring not know the wereabout of the criminal.the solider that gave peace to the community when they was heavy community clash, is the solider you killed, then they will rain hell on you. but sahara say it was 28 milion the was guiding

Kindly copy and paste the part where Sahara reporter said they were guiding money.

After all the havoc? Where are this killers? Have the Nigerian army not attack the king palace, why can't dey produce this killers?

So is it not possible for the king to be arrested and charge to court? Which kin yama yama people dey this country sef.

See, there will be more hate for the Nigerian army for the poeple of that community and I can tell you, lots of Tivs won't be happy with this news too.

Is it the same source that told you the Nigerian air force used tactical nuclear bomb on the terrorists in the North East that also told you the gunmen were hiding in the king palace?

Daft talk.

Even if they are ask, they will tell you they didn't burn any property or kill anybody.

And if e dey pain you, make you come down to Nigeria, com dey ask the people in the community question.

why would that pain me lol. its about accurate reporting. of course you get aroused by any news that tarnishes the Nigerian state. Once biased, no point having discussion with such person. I try to be in the middle without taking sides unless there's an obvious error.
Nigeria have a shiffy* govt. we all know that. But stories also needed to be validated. Soldiers themselves have fallen prey to criminals disguised as one of their own. That's why its important to hear all sides. That's plain common sense.
And if soldiers go on rampage killing civilians, it's also common sense to condemn such action and charge those responsible.
In a country with functioning system and institution, that would be expected, wouldn't really hold my breathe in Nigeria's case

From investigation the community head and some people were hiding the criminal when 72 sf/ strike team from the battalion in beune and some solider from oju came to ask that they know that the crimial was hiding with the area that they should tell were they are, the community head and some vilage liar and hid the crimial .the solider say that if they go to their base and comeback that the community will go down. Then the military started searching the bush when they found the dead body of their men. The met some crimial and engage them in a gunfight,the criminal ran to the community and the community hid them. That was when fire started raining in the community

DubaiLandLord:
Kindly copy and paste the part where Sahara reporter said they were guiding money.

After all the havoc? Where are this killers? Have the Nigerian army not attack the king palace, why can't dey produce this killers?

So is it not possible for the king to be arrested and charge to court? Which kin yama yama people dey this country sef.

See, there will be more hate for the Nigerian army for the poeple of that community and I can tell you, lots of Tivs won't be happy with this news too.

Is it the same source that told you the Nigerian air force used tactical nuclear bomb on the terrorists in the North East that also told you the gunmen were hiding in the king palace?

you na saharah middle man na. Lol rubissh write up

DubaiLandLord:
NTA is the FG TV station, let them go to that town in Benue and prove Sahara reporter wrong.

Even with video evidence, the Nigerian army told us they were not in lekki. Sahara reporter don't need to hear their part.

Mad oo, men those guys keep ruining the chances to make peace and the NCO pay the supreme price.....
Sad

joscofelix2:
you na saharah middle man na. Lol rubissh write up

Is good you have nothing else to say about a so called professional army on paper, while in reality there is just a little difference between their operation and that of Boko Haram and ISWAP. Now you can f**k off

joscofelix2:
From investigation the community head and some people were hiding the criminal when 72 sf/ strike team from the battalion in beune and some solider from oju came to ask that they know that the crimial was hiding with the area that they should tell were they are, the community head and some vilage liar and hid the crimial .the solider say that if they go to their base and comeback that the community will go down. Then the military started searching the bush when they found the dead body of their men. The met some crimial and engage them in a gunfight,the criminal ran to the community and the community hid them. That was when fire started raining in the community

Lol

So shame no catch the military personnel wey dey tell you this trash?

Well, i can get my money nah NCO dey tell you all this... I don't expect much from a NCO in the Nigerian army. Is mostly filled with .......

DubaiLandLord:
Tension In Benue Community As 10 Missing Soldiers Are Found Dead

No fewer than 10 troops of Nigerian Army and one military police officer have been found dead in Konshisha Local Government Area of Benue State.

The development generated tension in the community as the army authorities deployed troops to fish out the perpetrators of the dastardly act.

In a statement made available to journalists, Nigerian Army spokesman, Brig.-Gen. Mohammed Yerima, confirmed the killings of the troops by yet-to-be-identified individuals.

Yerima explained that the bodies of slain troops were immediately evacuated, adding that efforts are ongoing to track down those who perpetrated the crime in order to bring them to justice.

He said, ”Nigerian Army troops operating in Benue State came under attack while on routine operational task.

”The troops comprising one officer and ten soldiers were initially declared missing which prompted the deployment of a joint search and rescue team comprising NA troops and personnel of Operation Whirl Stroke.

”The search and rescue team unfortunately found all the missing troops dead in Konshisha LGA of Benue State.

”While the bodies of the slain troops were evacuated immediately, efforts are ongoing to track down the perpetrators of this heinous crime with a view to bringing them to Justice.”

The Nigerian Army, however, appealed to the public to volunteer useful information that will lead to the arrest of the perpetrators of the dastardly act.

Yerima maintained that Army remains determined to ensure that the unprovoked attack does not disrupt the general peace being enjoyed by the local inhabitants.

According to him, the COAS has directed commanders on the ground to ensure sustained efforts in order to fish out and deal decisively with these bad elements who are threatening the peace in the area.

Daily Trust reports that Benue, which has been a hotbed of clashes, has been enjoying relative peace in recent times.

https://dailytrust.com/tension-in-benue-community-as-10-missing-soldiers-are-found-dead

DLD I guess that will suffice for your moniker if you permit I guess most agree not least me that Nigeria as it is right now is in a mess but it is still a sovereign state and no government any where including western ones will sit by and accept the killing of state agents or destruction of symbols of governmental authority. This is just the reality. We can argue about carrot and stick approach or stick approach whatever and all of the above but it is only expedient for state organs to first respond with force or whatever mechanism of security at its disposal to any known assailants or their sponsors aid and abetting the crime. These atrocities been perpetrated in Nigeria in the name of agitation, communal violence whether against hapless citizens unprotected by the government or security agencies sent to protect them is an affront on any civilization. It will not be tolerated by the west. Britain didn't with the NRA nor Spain with the Catalans nor the United States in its many adventures world over.

This is our home and our Army which is as I always repeat the only last thing at least to me that makes sense of Nigeria and if people anywhere think they can wake up attack a Nigerian Army captain an officer the state spent thousands of dollars to educate and train along with his troops armed by the state is an affront that demands commensurate response else the lawlessness we now witness will pale in comparison to what other groups will attempt to do as we already see in other parts of the country.

Having said that the military is only doing what any other military elsewhere will do under the circumstances but it is the job of the CDS to advise the government of the day of the instruments of power available for peace enforcement and peace making and that includes not only the use of force but other options which includes dialogue. I expect that in some form in the coming weeks as they settle in but first the new chiefs will only assert their authority. This was the case with the Niger Delta militants.

In the end we can help by putting out the fire rather than stoking it. It can start here on Nairaland. We have come a long way. This country when you have the means is one of the sweetest places on earth, I'm sure many agree. We can proffer solutions to our myriad of problems to bring that means to every citizen. Yes we have an inept president, a clueless political class, a society where almost nothing works without corruption because of bad leadership but this Nigeria is better united as a nation not only for the Nigerian people but for all of Africa.

Covert1:
DLD I guess that will suffice for your moniker if you permit I guess most agree not least me that Nigeria as it is right now is in a mess but it is still a sovereign state and no government any where including western one's will sit by and accept the killing of state agents or destruction of symbols of governmental authority. This is just the reality. We can argue about carrot and stick approach or stick approach whatever and all of the above but it is only expedient for state organs to first respond with force or whatever mechanism of security at its disposal to any known assailant or their sponsors aid and abetting the crime. These atrocities been perpetrated in Nigeria in the name of agitation, communal violence whether against hapless citizens unprotected by the government or security agencies sent to protect them is an affront on any civilization. It will not be tolerated by the west. Britain didn't with the NRA nor Spain with the Catalans nor the United States in its many adventures world over.

This is our home and our Army which is as I always repeat the only last thing at least to me that makes sense of Nigeria and if people anywhere think they can wake up attack a Nigerian Army captain an officer the state spent thousands of dollars to educate and train along with his troops armed by the state is an affront that demands commensurate response else the lawlessness we now witness will pale in comparison to what other groups will attempt to do as we already in other parts of the country.

Having said that the military is only doing what any other military elsewhere will do under the circumstances but it is the job of the CDS to advise the government of the day of the instruments of power available for peace making and that includes not only the use of force but other options which includes dialogue. I expect that in some form in the coming weeks but first the new chiefs will only assert their authority. This was the case with Niger Delta militants.

In the end we can help by putting out the fire rather than stoking it. It can start here on Nairaland. We have come a long way. This country when you have the means is one of the sweetest places on earth, I'm sure many agree. We can proffer solutions to our myriad of problems to bring that means to every citizen. Yes we have an inept president, a clueless political class, a society where almost nothing works without corruption because of bad leadership but this Nigeria is better united not only for the Nigerian people but all of Africa.

The military having been doing this since 1999( The Odi massacre). My question now is that, how has it solved the issue of armed groups killing army officers? Is just a matter of time, if the army keeps on taking this route, almost every region and tribe will have a well armed group.

In Ghana, a military officer(captain) that was jogging was killed cause they thought he is a thief, I didn't hear about the community been leveled down. The people that were involved in the killing were rounded up and charged to court.

See, just because it's happening in Nigeria does not mean is happening in other countries. Maybe you can show me stories of it happening in other sane environment sha

You can't win the battle against criminal elements if the people are being terrorized by their own govt and troops. Responses should be measured and making sure whatever operations the troops carry out doesn't affect civilians to the point of them running from their homes in fear of own troops. in a sane country, that's a PR nightmare scenario and the military leadership would have some serious explaining to do.
where are the lawmakers who represent these districts anyways. sad

DubaiLandLord:
The military having been doing this since 1999( The Odi massacre). My question now is that, how has it solved the issue of armed groups killing army officers? Is just a matter of time, if the army keeps on taking this route, almost every region and tribe will have a well armed group.

In Ghana, a military officer(captain) that was jogging was killed cause they thought he is a thief, I didn't hear about the community been leveled down. The people that were involved in the killing were rounded up and charged to court.

See, just because it's happening in Nigeria does not mean is happening in other countries. Maybe you can show me stories of it happening in other sane environment sha

You just said about Ghana "an Army captain they thought was a thief". You see the difference right there. This was not the case here nor was it the case in Odi or Zaki Biam. In all these cases they saw armed uniformed servicemen on duty, ambushed and killed them in cold blood while hiding amongst innocent civilians leading to the reprisals you see which has been the basic counter insurgency tactics of every other military force including the United States to get those communities to give up the assailants. Hate it, yes but in war they say all is fair. Those soldiers are also people's kids and benefactors.

It happens in other countries like Nigeria not unlike Nigeria. I seek not to bore you with that.

But with reference to your "every region and tribe will have a well armed group". The good thing for the Army is that these are disparate groups and I can tell you the Army is more than a match for them. You only just need to keep them divided. In the end innocent people will be killed, the Nigerian Army will still be here and life will go on.
Let's rather sue for peace. No one of these groups has any chance for success on it's own.
And if the Nigerian military is pushed to the wall the Myanmar option becomes inevitable and that none of us want to see. A bad place to be.

You see Nigeria is a dynamic country. It is not Ghana. The pressure lines of tribe and ethnicity is so thick and made worse by resource agitations and nepotism by the powers that be.

There is no perfect society. What some of us are calling for in a country like Nigeria is nigh impossible. We can accept to come to what's workable like restructuring in some way which the old man in Aso Rock promised, got voted in only to get there and tow the line of his predecessors, such a shame. What is wrong with galvanizing political activity and voting in the right person for the job instead of fighting. The people can channel that energy into political action for societal reform, economic and social justice.

Covert1:
You just said about Ghana "an Army captain they thought was a thief". You see the difference right there. This was not the case here nor was it the case in Odi or Zaki Biam. In all these cases they saw armed uniformed servicemen on duty, ambushed and killed them in cold blood while hiding amongst innocent civilians leading to the reprisals you see which has been the basic counter insurgency tactics of every other military force including the United States to get those communities to give up the assailants. Hate it, yes but in war they say all is fair. Those soldiers are also people's kids and benefactors.

It happens in other countries like Nigeria not unlike Nigeria. I seek not to bore you with that.

But with reference to your "every region and tribe will have a well armed group". The good thing for the Army is that these are disparate groups and I can tell you the Army is more than a match for them. You only just need to keep them divided. In the end innocent people will be killed, the Nigerian Army will still be here and life will go on.
Let's rather sue for peace. No one of these groups has any chance for success on it's own.
And if the Nigerian military is pushed to the wall the Myanmar option becomes inevitable and that none of us want to see. A bad place to be.

You see Nigeria is a dynamic country. It is not Ghana. The pressure lines of tribe and ethnicity is so thick and made worse by resource agitations and nepotism by the powers that be.

There is no perfect society. What some of us are calling for in a country like Nigeria is nigh impossible. We can accept to come to what's workable like restructuring in some way which the old man in Aso Rock promised, got voted in only to get there and tow the line of his predecessors, such a shame. What is wrong with galvanizing political activity and voting in the right person for the job instead of fighting. The people can channel that energy into political action for societal reform, economic and social justice.

BEST IN THIS THREAD WITH TOO MUSH SENSE I SALUTE YOU SIR

Covert1:
You just said about Ghana "an Army captain they thought was a thief". You see the difference right there. This was not the case here nor was it the case in Odi or Zaki Biam. In all these cases they saw armed uniformed servicemen on duty, ambushed and killed them in cold blood while hiding amongst innocent civilians leading to the reprisals you see which has been the basic counter insurgency tactics of every other military force including the United States to get those communities to give up the assailants. Hate it, yes but in war they say all is fair. Those soldiers are also people's kids and benefactors.

It happens in other countries like Nigeria not unlike Nigeria. I seek not to bore you with that.

But with reference to your "every region and tribe will have a well armed group". The good thing for the Army is that these are disparate groups and I can tell you the Army is more than a match for them. You only just need to keep them divided. In the end innocent people will be killed, the Nigerian Army will still be here and life will go on.
Let's rather sue for peace. No one of these groups has any chance for success on it's own.
And if the Nigerian military is pushed to the wall the Myanmar option becomes inevitable.

You see Nigeria is a dynamic country. It is not Ghana. The pressure lines of tribe and ethnicity is so thick and made worse by resource agitations and nepotism by the powers that be.

There is no perfect society. What some of us are calling for in a country like Nigeria is nigh impossible. We can accept to come to what's workable like restructuring in some way which the old man in Aso Rock promised, got voted in only to get there and tow the line of his predecessors, such a shame. What is wrong with galvanizing political activity and voting in the right person for the job nstead of fighting. The people can channel that energy into political action for reform, economic and social justice.

When an army chooses to LEVEL an entire community for the crime of having CRIMINALS in their midst or NOT PROVIDING the criminals at the behest of the soldiers, its indeed a sad day.

And there's no JUSTIFICATION under the SUN for killing unarmed combatants because those whom you wish to wage war against are in their midst.......... Its like justifying ISWAP attacking the wives and children of soldiers in a barrack because their soldier husbands live there and they refused to produce their soldier relations at the request of ISWAP.

I SUPPORT THE MILITARY ACTION IN BEUNE STATE. YOU SAY YOUR RUBBISH IF YOU WISH

mekussa:
When an army chooses to LEVEL an entire community for the crime of having CRIMINALS in their midst or NOT PROVIDING the criminals at the behest of the soldiers, its indeed a sad day.

And there's no JUSTIFICATION under the SUN for killing unarmed combatants because those whom you wish to wage war against are in their midst.......... Its like justifying ISWAP attacking the wives and children of soldiers in a barrack because their soldier husbands live there and they refused to produce their soldier relations at the request of ISWAP.

Alright, we hear, please proffer a solution.

This is where we are where people become law unto themselves not to say self-defense but to kill uniformed state agents in cold blood.

And by the way ISWAP is a terrorist organization, a non state actor. Except you have a different definition of ISWAP then it doesn't apply here.

mekussa:
When an army chooses to LEVEL an entire community for the crime of having CRIMINALS in their midst or NOT PROVIDING the criminals at the behest of the soldiers, its indeed a sad day.

And there's no JUSTIFICATION under the SUN for killing unarmed combatants because those whom you wish to wage war against are in their midst.......... Its like justifying ISWAP attacking the wives and children of soldiers in a barrack because their soldier husbands live there and they refused to produce their soldier relations at the request of ISWAP.

You’re making assumptions and arguing on the bases of these assumptions as though you're arguing with facts. For example, you stated: "there's no JUSTIFICATION under the SUN for killing unarmed combatants". Here you’re assuming that those killed are combatants and assuming that they are unarmed and then you proclaimed there’s no "JUSTIFICATION under the SUN for killing unarmed combatants" , when actually military or police may be justified if threatened. Secondly you've assumed the army is waging war and that those they are waging war with are Unarmed.

We need to know as well as we can what actually took place and under what circumstances.. They, Soldiers , may be trained and led to understand that under relevant circumstances they are to take whatever action they feel is required to safeguard their lives. Perhaps because of historic presidencies such as Odi – not sure of the spelling – we assume that military will always gun down villages to instil fear or exact revenge.

Litmus:
You’re making assumptions and arguing on the bases of these assumptions as though you're arguing with facts. For example, you stated: "there's no JUSTIFICATION under the SUN for killing unarmed combatants". Here you’re assuming that those killed are combatants and assuming that they are unarmed and then you proclaimed there’s no "JUSTIFICATION under the SUN for killing unarmed combatants" , when actually military or police may be justified if threatened. Secondly you've assumed the army is waging war and that those they are waging war with are Unarmed.

Shebi you read where someone said the soldiers attacked the community because they didn't meet the ultimatum to produce the people they are looking for or where he said the traditional rulers palace was destroyed because they said those they were looking for were hiding there?
In all you have been reading since, did you read anywhere that the villagers shot at the soldiers and were thus attacked with such overwhelming force?
In all you read did you read of any arms recovered from the destroyed village?

You that have facts beyond these oya state them nah.

JOSCOFELIX:
I SUPPORT THE MILITARY ACTION IN BEUNE STATE. YOU SAY YOUR RUBBISH IF YOU WISH

If say you talk something different, I for surprise.

mekussa:
Shebi you read where someone said the soldiers attacked the community because they didn't meet the ultimatum to produce the people they are looking for or where he said the traditional rulers palace was destroyed because they said those they were looking for were hiding there?
In all you have been reading since, did you read anywhere that the villagers shot at the soldiers and were thus attacked with such overwhelming force?
In all you read did you read of any arms recovered from the destroyed village?

You that have facts beyond these oya state them nah.

Wait untill we hear from all sides and investigations made.

Covert1:
You just said about Ghana "an Army captain they thought was a thief". You see the difference right there. This was not the case here nor was it the case in Odi or Zaki Biam. In all these cases they saw armed uniformed servicemen on duty, ambushed and killed them in cold blood while hiding amongst innocent civilians leading to the reprisals you see which has been the basic counter insurgency tactics of every other military force including the United States to get those communities to give up the assailants. Hate it, yes but in war they say all is fair. Those soldiers are also people's kids and benefactors.

It happens in other countries like Nigeria not unlike Nigeria. I seek not to bore you with that.

But with reference to your "every region and tribe will have a well armed group". The good thing for the Army is that these are disparate groups and I can tell you the Army is more than a match for them. You only just need to keep them divided. In the end innocent people will be killed, the Nigerian Army will still be here and life will go on.
Let's rather sue for peace. No one of these groups has any chance for success on it's own.
And if the Nigerian military is pushed to the wall the Myanmar option becomes inevitable and that none of us want to see. A bad place to be.

You see Nigeria is a dynamic country. It is not Ghana. The pressure lines of tribe and ethnicity is so thick and made worse by resource agitations and nepotism by the powers that be.

There is no perfect society. What some of us are calling for in a country like Nigeria is nigh impossible. We can accept to come to what's workable like restructuring in some way which the old man in Aso Rock promised, got voted in only to get there and tow the line of his predecessors, such a shame. What is wrong with galvanizing political activity and voting in the right person for the job instead of fighting. The people can channel that energy into political action for societal reform, economic and social justice.

I used that as an example. In Nigeria, such a community will be burnt to the ground with soldiers killing unarmed civilians. There is no perfect society, but Nigeria is fucking messed up. What is happening in Benue can't happen in Ghana.

You said it do happen in other countries, you have not shown me where the army of a country burn a community down and kill children and women cause some of their men were ambushed o

JOSCOFELIX:
I SUPPORT THE MILITARY ACTION IN BEUNE STATE. YOU SAY YOUR RUBBISH IF YOU WISH

Just the way I support UGM violence against security officials in the south east. You can keep on saying your rubbish.

If some criminals attack some soldiers, do you expect this same criminals to stay within the environment. Dem go don japa now

What the Nigerian army did in Benue can be classified as a war crime.

I see absolute no reason in killing unarmed people. Whether is a man, woman or child.

Is nothing but crime against humanity.

Well, in Nigeria, there is always a justification for killing people.

Seems there are attempts at brainwashing Nigerians into automatically accepting all opinions and accusations ranged against your Military and Police services. This is a dangerous position that Nigerians need to resist however difficult the clumsy actions of the Services make it.

Litmus:
Wait untill we here all sides and investigations made.

....... No mind me o.
I no dey like put mouth for this kyn talk but comments drag me enter.

I keep shut till then...... Peace

DubaiLandLord:
I used that as an example. In Nigeria, such a community will be burnt to the ground with soldiers killing unarmed civilians. There is no perfect society, but Nigeria is fucking messed up. What is happening in Benue can't happen in Ghana.

You said it do happen in other countries, you have not shown me where the army of a country burn a community down and kill children and women cause some of their men were ambushed o

Are you denying the obvious. Massacres of innocent civilians has been committed by most armies on counterinsurgency operations. You will be doing disservice to yourself to ignore facts. Please Google is readily available.

DubaiLandLord:
If some criminals attack some soldiers, do you expect this same criminals to stay within the environment. Dem go don japa now

What the Nigerian army did in Benue can be classified as a war crime.

I see absolute no reason in killing unarmed people. Whether is a man, woman or child.

Is nothing but crime against humanity.

Well, in Nigeria, there is always a justification for killing people.

You are being subjective on a whole host of issues without hard or empirical evidence.

A war crime? Justification for killing people? Does that include the forces for good or evil?
Crimes against humanity? Really, does that include the belligerents or accomplices of the crime? When aiding and abetting crime what do you call that? Using civilians as human shields?

Are we looking for solutions or do you just seek to give a dog a bad name in other to hang it.

You could answer my pertinent questions

The casual deaths of Nigeria's services personnel worries and saddens me as much as civilian deaths. In some climes, citizens care more for the deaths of military and police officers.

DubaiLandLord:
Lol

So shame no catch the military personnel wey dey tell you this trash?

Well, i can get my money nah NCO dey tell you all this... I don't expect much from a NCO in the Nigerian army. Is mostly filled with .......

Nobody expects much from you either.. You sound so unrefined every single time.. You're just a noisemaker on this thread.

If you re in the soldiers shoes, I bet most of us all would have done close to the same.
In war, all is fair and square... Most people kill the relatives and families of their opponents in retaliation..

It's not in every equation the rule applies..

Once you habour a criminal,you yourself is a criminal and an accomplice and as such should accept whatever befalls of you.

Back in my school days, if the classroom is noisy, and the prefect or authority comes in, and asks for the noise makers, and we failed to provide them, then all of us will be mass punished.. it is what it is.