In a world we live in where churches have become businesses, how can you tell your pastor is not fake?

Please understand that until you explain the differences between miracles and magic, it is not a criterion.



How can you tell?

Please keep the teachings of Jesus in mind before defending.


Thank you.

chatinent:
In a world we live in where churches have become business, how can you tell your pastor is not fake?

Please understand that until you explain the differences between miracles and magic, it is not a criterion.
Thank you.

All Pastors/Priests/church leaders etc. regardless of their claim to fame are fakes

* Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34
* Ezekiel 34

God did not call or "anoint" anyone of them as shepherds/teachers/authorities over His flock.

Kobojunkiee:
All Pastors/Priests/church leaders etc. regardless of their claim to fame are fakes

* Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34
* Ezekiel 34

God did not call or "anoint" anyone of them as shepherds/teachers/authorities over His flock.

So, what're the criteria to check in sb striving to do God's will despite imperfections?

Secondly, how does your Bible reference at Jeremiah support your claims?

They are all fake

You can't ever tell which one of them is fake

chatinent:

So, what're the criteria to check in sb striving to do God's will despite imperfections?

By imperfections, do you mean sin?

As far as your pastors are concerned, God Himselk declared that He is against them..anyone who sets himself up as shepherd/teacher/authority over God's own flock is against God. Why would you want to check any other criteria when God declared that He alone is Shepherd over His flock, Teacher over His disciples and Master over His servants.

The same Warner that you cannot serve two Masters - not in His Kingdom.

Kobojunkiee:
By imperfections, do you mean sin?

As far as your pastors are concerned, God Himselk declared that He is against them..anyone who sets himself up as shepherd/teacher/authority over God's own flock is against God. Why would you want to check any other criteria when God declared that He alone is Shepherd over His flock, Teacher over His disciples and Master over His servants.

The same Warner that you cannot serve two Masters - not in His Kingdom.

Paul taught people in the congregations of Corinth, Ephesus etc., and he wasn't against God.

Jesus also taught.


Jesus wasn't against God.


Please use biblical backup to support your argument.

Read my previous message again.

MickzyDonald:
You can't ever tell which one of them is fake

How do you tell which is real?

chatinent:

Paul taught people in the congregations of Corinth, Ephesus etc., and he wasn't against God.
Jesus also taught.
Jesus wasn't against God.
Please use biblical backup to support your argument.
Read my previous message again.

Jesus Christ called His followers commanding that they trust and obey Him, not His servants. He instructed that we follow His example, not the examples of His other servants.

Now also in His teachings, Jesus Christ declared that He alone is Teacher/Shepherd/Master/Authority where His followers are concerned, and He warned that none of His own attempt to occupy any such roles over the others.

Here's are two big tests to tell which is fake.

Organize some lads to abuse the pastor till he causes them in the name of the Lord.

(2 Kings 2:23-25)
23 Then he (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

The other is to organize six drums of water for him at a wedding and see if s/he can turn them to popular demand wine!

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ called His followers commanding that they trust and obey Him, not His servants. He instructed that we follow His example, not the examples of His other servants.

Now also in His teachings, Jesus Christ declared that He alone is Teacher/Shepherd/Master/Authority where His followers are concerned, and He warned that none of His own attempt to occupy any such roles over the others.

Ok, I get your point.

You mean the congregants emulate Jesus and not worship their leaders?

AntiChristian:
Here's are two big tests to tell which is fake.

Organize some lads to abuse the pastor till he causes them in the name of the Lord.

(2 Kings 2:23-25)
23 Then he (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

The other is to organize six drums of water for him at a wedding and see if s/he can turn them to popular demand wine!

Even if he did, it wouldn't make any difference.

Magicians dey do am too

Righteousness2:
The Primary Ministry of JESUS Christ was to seek and Save the Lost.

Any Pastor who is not Conciously Dedicated to the Message of Salvation and Holiness which is a prequiste for Heaven, irrespective of whatever you are teaching is a red flag.

Every other thing is secondary. The Salvation is the Primary Reason JESUS came .

Cite the Bible where the prerequisites of heaven were quoted.

All pastors are fake. The allow them bobo you

chatinent:
In a world we live in where churches have become businesses, how can you tell your pastor is not fake?

Please understand that until you explain the differences between miracles and magic, it is not a criterion.



How can you tell?

Please keep the teachings of Jesus in mind before defending.


Thank you.

If he preaches and believes in Once Saved Always Saved or Eternal Security of the believer, then he's not fake.

If he's not a multi-millionaire, he's not fake.

Sadly, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyakhilome, Oyedepo and the other big name pastors are the opposite of the above. That's why they are false prophets leading people to hell just to enriched themselves with wealth.

Do you really think God will make his prophet rich when he himself said it will be difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God? Ask yourself, which prophet of God was rich or super rich in the Bible? The fact that today's prophets are super rich shows that they have nothing in common with those in the Bible, hence they aren't serving the same God.

chatinent:
In a world we live in where churches have become businesses, how can you tell your pastor is not fake?

Please understand that until you explain the differences between miracles and magic, it is not a criterion.

How can you tell?

Please keep the teachings of Jesus in mind before defending.

Thank you.

He that Speaketh and Doeth Righteousness and Truths Only!

chatinent:

Ok, I get your point.

You mean the congregants emulate Jesus and not worship their leaders?

"Worship" on God's Kingdom means to obey/serve. We are called to put our trust in and obey only the teachings of the Master - not that of the servants, even Paul.

We are called to emulate Jesus Christ and be hearers and doers of His Truth(teachings) -not the teachings of men, including that of Paul which many have sought to eclipse the teachings of Jesus Christ with.

Kobojunkiee:
"Worship" on God's Kingdom means to obey/serve. We are called to put our trust in and obey only the teachings of the Master - not that of the servants, even Paul.

We are called to emulate Jesus Christ and be hearers and doers of His Truth(teachings) -not the teachings of men, including that of Paul which many have sought to eclipse the teachings of Jesus Christ with.

What if the men teach the same thing Jesus taught?

Dtruthspeaker:

He that Speaketh and Doeth Righteousness and Truths Only!

Please elaborate. This isn't a King James world.

FatherOfJesus:
All pastors are fake. The allow them bobo you

Give your reasons.

They must lead by example {Hebrew 13:7} and if their teachings isn't yielding positive results in the midst of those following them it simply means they're FAKE! Matthew 7:16-18

God is the highest authority so Jesus is subjected to God, therefore every man of God must be subjected to Christ {1Corinthians 11:3} with this protocol others will have to follow the shepherd appointed through God's Holy Spirit {Ephesians 4:11} and the whole congregation will continue to produce the FRUIT Jesus asked all right thinking observers to watch out for! Galatians 5:22-23

chatinent:
In a world we live in where churches have become businesses, how can you tell your pastor is not fake? Please understand that until you explain the differences between miracles and magic, it is not a criterion. How can you tell? Please keep the teachings of Jesus in mind before defending.
Thank you.

chatinent:

What if the men teaches the same thing Jesus taught?

Can a lie become True?

God is against your Pastors/Priests/Prophets , etc. who have set themselves up as Shepherds/Teachers/Masters /Authorities over His flock. So long as they continue in this - they insult His Name.

God is not starved for glory that He should accept even tainted offerings from men who insult Him in their disobedience. Neither is He lacking that He should stop to accepting mere efforts made by men. He demands Holiness and nothing less from His followers, without exception.

MaxInDHouse:
They must lead by example {Hebrew 13:7} and if their teachings isn't yielding positive results in the midst of those following them it simply means they're FAKE! Matthew 7:16-18

God is the highest authority so Jesus is subjected to God, therefore every man of God must be subjected to Christ {1Corinthians 11:3} with this protocol others will have to follow the shepherd appointed through God's Holy Spirit {Ephesians 4:11} and the whole congregation will continue to produce the FRUIT Jesus asked all right thinking observers to watch out for! Galatians 5:22-23

This is a beautiful piece.

Kobojunkiee:
Can a lie become True?

God is against your Pastors/Priests/Prophets , etc. who have set themselves up as Shepherds/Teachers/Masters /Authorities over His flock. So long as they continue in this - they insult His Name.

God is not starved for glory that He should accept even tainted offerings from men who insult Him in their disobedience. Neither is He lacking that He should stop to accepting mere efforts made by men. He demands Holiness and nothing less from His followers, without exception.

Scriptural backup, please

Seun, lalasticlala Dominque mynd44 pocohantas

chatinent:

Please elaborate. This isn't a King James world.

It is a king James World, God has not yet changed this world since Noah.

Unfortunately, there are no examples I can point out but during the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit as God Promised in Joel 2:28-32, Acts 2:15-21, Revelation 6:2, which we saw during the 99-2010, there Pastors Spoke Righteousness and Truth and told their congregations what they hated to hear and did not wish to hear!

Truth and Correction is Always an Anguish to the Wicked!

chatinent:

Scriptural backup, please

Scriptural backup for the teachings of Jesus Christ that every one who claims to be a follower of His ought to have written right on their hearts by God Himself?

They claim to perform miracles but none of them has ever performed that miracle we can measure and ascertain veracity. Known will perform miracles like growing back a limb or laying hands on someone in the hospital. There miracles are always tricky and full of gimmicks.
All Nigerian pastors have one mindset, grow my personal ministry even if it means collecting other churches members, I just want mine to grow because this directly means more money for them, they now see postorhood as a career hence they become money-centric along the line.
above all, there's no evidence for their God and what they preach. The bible is full of tales that are not consistent with reality hence making all pastors fake

chatinent:


Give your reasons.

Dtruthspeaker:


It is a king James World, God has not yet changed this world since Noah.

Unfortunately, there are no examples I can point out but during the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit as God Promised in Joel 2:28-32, Acts 2:15-21, Revelation 6:2, which we saw during the 99-2010, there Pastors Spoke Righteousness and Truth and told their congregations what they hated to hear and did not wish to hear!

Truth and Correction is Always an Anguish to the Wicked!

King James is a mere translation of the Bible from the original language to English. We don't live in a King James' world.


God hasn't changed his words, yes, but many Bible translators have.

Kobojunkiee:
Scriptural backup for the teachings of Jesus Christ that every one who claims to be a follower of His ought to have written right on their hearts by God Himself?

No, I mean scriptures backups against following shepherds of God.

1. How well his doctrines align with the teachings and mindset of Jesus.

2. Following from the above point, is his lifestyle consistent with what he preaches?


If yes he’s genuine, if no.. he’s a fraud and a hypocrite.