Ekealterego:

Probably not. Yesterday an indigenous Igbo lady from kogi state was expressing her fears as to why their communities have not started making move to promote more relationship with their Igbo brothers because she cannot afford to be part of the North or wherever Kogi might be when there is a split... She and her other fellows came out to prove beyond reasonable doubt the location and even their exact compound in Kogi because many Igbos thought she and her fellow Igbo kogites were joking or something... Many Igbos were not aware that there are Igbos in Kogi.
What it seems is that you do not understand that majority of Nigerians, even the elite, are already getting the signs of disintegration. The fact that it is stronger on the Biafran side does not mean, others have not seen the signs, although, of course, many are living in denial.
Many who had kept a low profile are realigning themselves... An example of those who have been making that noise lately are indigenous Igbos in Benue state.

nonesense....you can aswell take part of lagos along with you too,because igbos are their....

Nwanyiogwashi:


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE IGBO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NDOKI AND BONNY

Of the many accounts detailed by Portuguese and British explorers about the night of BIAFRA,

they were in agreement about the blood relationship between Bonny island and Ndoki located inland along the Imo River,

the relationship between Ndoki and Bonny is one that even the early Ijaw nationalists couldn't deny.E.J Alagoa writing in the 60s about the origin of the Ijaw clans had written extensively about the Bonny,

but his writings where punctured by many historians who saw holes in it, how could Bonny which Are siblings to Ndoki be Ijaw when Ndoki are Igbo

Alagoa went back to his drawing board and revised his history, Alagoa in his book in 1972 alleged that Ndoki were originally an Ijaw clan which migrated from the creeks around Sagbama and the Beni clan of Ijaw through which they traveled inland via Isuama country down to the Imo River to their current location,

This were all fabrications, Alagoa did this by merging and exaggerating the migration stories of two different peoples in Bonny,

the pfew families that came with the Kalabari directly from the Ijaw creeks, and the Ndoki tradition that came from inland beginning from Oguta.

Alagoa forgot that in his Ijaw nationalism the Ndoki cannot be Ijaw because Ijaw are not inland travellers, especially not then.

Ndoki traditions of origin is traced to Oguta, it has variations but all accounts are consistent about one point, Oguta, some talk of Benin before reaching Oguta but this can be understood as a result of the relationship between Oguta, Aboh and other Ndoshimili towns with Benin which the Ndoki thought such tales with them as they were leaving Oguta,

The Ndoki were probably one of the many Oru Igbo communities that lived in that territory between Akasa and Oguta, their sojourn inland coincides with the attack by Abohand Osomari on Oguta that sent many Oru communities inland towards the lake.

Their migration seems to have followed the course of the Njaba and Orashi Rivers inland through Umunoha to Izuogu from which they entered the Imo River and sailed down to their current location.

The Obani group is an offshoot of this migration, the name Ibani as claimed by the Ijaws is an appropriation, the name.

originated as a nickname for the Ndoki group and it was given them by none other than the Ogoni around the time the Ndoki settled around the Azumini creeks and Imo River, some of them had left and ventured deep into Ogoni land and settled afar off an Ogoni town along the banks of the Imo River known as Ko, from their they established some sort of diplomacy with the Ogoni who gave them the monicker Ebane or Bani,

it means someone from a strange land or someone from afar or a distant land.

This tradition is plausible because the Ndoki to get from Umuagbai to Bonny has to pass through Ogoni land, the first point they settled on the coast before finally crossing onto the island was just adjacent to Ogoni,

For a long time the Ogoni and neighboring people referred tothe island as Bani after the strangers and the people as Ebane,

this name is attested for by W.Baike in 1854 in"Narrative of an Exploring Voyage" p.380 writes, "

The Bonny people claim an Igbo descent, their territory which is not very extensive is by them pronounced Ebane, by the Igbos it is pronounced Obane, and by the Kalabari : Ibani"John Barbot in description of the coasts attests to the same thing.

Therefore with time the term became igbonized by the people to Ubani or Obani, this is the form which they carried it into the Igbo heartland.

The Kalabari when they settled on the island appropriated that name which they corrupted to Ibani, even the near extinct language they speak which they claim to be distinct is the same with Kalabari compared to the distinction with Okrika,

they claim the name came from Beni Ijaw clan in the central Delta, the same Beni which the Ijaw are claiming Benin city was named after?? There's not even any colonial records to back up any of their claims.

With the relationship between Ndoki and Ubani explained, anybody who still contends that the Ndoki were Ijaw of which there is no evidence,

should note that the early founders of the Ndoki towns after they settled at Azumini were all Igbos, the supreme ancestor was called Eze, his children were Ihu(umuihueze group) iloko (Obohia group) and Kwokwo (kwokwoeze group) others such as Ikwueke, umuokobo, Azuogu, Agbai, Ayama are all Igbo names.

The aborigines which the Ubani met when they touched Bonny were an Ibibioid people known as Inyong Okpon, who are also the aborigines of Tombia.

They had a chief priest called Awanta, for centuries the Ubani lived side by side with these aborigines until in the 18th century a late Eastward expansion of Ijaw groups (Awome who are the precursors ofthe Kalabari) brought Awome settlements directly into the region,

they assimilated much of the Inyong peoples just as they did at Elem and established canoe war houses, that was how Ijaw culture gradually diffused into the daily life of Bonny, Ndoki language however still remained the lingua franca and dominant culture in Bonny as attested by many British colonists in the region, the first Igbo bible written by the missionaries was done using the Ndoki dialect of Bonny.

Many Ijaw dissenters love to attribute the igbo presence in Bonny to slaves should note that majority of the slaves in Bonny were Isuama in origin but isuama is not spoken in Bonny neither is Isuama culture or deities to be found in Bonny,

Amongst the pantheon worshipped in Bonny, of the four major ones, three are from Ndoki,Ikuba deity whose totem is a monitor lizard is the national deity of Bonny is also the national deity at Ndoki,Otuburu(totem crocodile) and Tolofari(totem Stone) were brought from Azuogu Ndoki.

Inyana-Simingi was the major deity of the Inyong aborigines.

Ogu is the main deity of the Umuihueze group and the Ogu cult was introduced to Bonny via mediation of Aro priests to replace a native Pogo cult which was misbehaving.

And lastly is the Nwotam masquerade, which is danced by the Ndoki, Ubani and Opobo alike, originated from mkpaejekiri in Ohambele Ndoki, people who watch Nwotam in Opobo and Bonny would note that it has maintained it's igbo language, the dance steps and the different guilds(uke) are igbo and the oja music and dance style and rythm is distinctively Igbo.


The man who led the Ubani from Ndoki now known as Agbaria and his friend Okpara Ndoli,The first settlement of the Ndoki on the Azumini creeks was on a place called Okoloma, which name came from the aborigines.

Naturally they gave their new settlement on the island the same name Okoloma after their old settlement.

The entire story about curlews are fabrications.

There fore any scholar who is honest would learn that Bonny has been a product of mix of peoples, Aborigines, Ijaw and Ndoki with the Ndoki elements being majority,

The feudal culture of the Ijaw (the amayanabo land owning system) meant that they grabbed a lot of land and became feudal lords, but the culture remained unchanged and the Ndoki(Ubani) controled much of the commerce still.

©Kaycee Alozie

https://www.nairaland.com/5150843/ndoki-clan-reunion-ijaw-root

There is nothing like an " Oru Igbo". You can't be an Oru and an Igbo at the same time. The Igbo claim to be Jews from the Middle east which has no connection to the Oru, one of Africa's oldest groups.

The Orus fall under 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria and Igbo is NOT one of them.

Your ethnic group ( Igbo, Ibo) was named by the Oru people. To attach Igbo and Oru in the same sentence is an insult to the Orus.

Alagoa did not reverse any history. The fact that he connected Ndoki to Benin can tell you he knows the exact families they belong to.

If all the ethnic groups whose lands are occupied by the Igbos through the activities of people like Azikiwe and Aguiyi-Ironsi reclaim their lands, the Igbo would be forced out of Nigeria.

To start with, Ubani is the abbreviation of a compound word. There is no ethnic group called Ubani.

George Washington, America's first president has a city named after him. His family had slaves who answered Washington as their surname. The name Washington did become the name of an ethnic group or tribe. Neither do you define the Washington family by their slaves.

Ijaw people can't be defined by Igbos, your understanding of how governance operates is very limited. That is why you cannot comprehend the Ijaw system with the Amayanabo as monarch.

You Igbos couldn't even organize yourselves at the very basic level. It was the Europeans who had to create the "warrant chief" system for you Igbos. I can understand why you made reference to the Ijaw system as feudal. To start with, the use of the word feudal within this context makes no sense.

PHijo:


https://www.nairaland.com/5150843/ndoki-clan-reunion-ijaw-root

There is nothing like an " Oru Igbo". You can't be an Oru and an Igbo at the same time. The Igbo claim to be Jews from the Middle east which has no connection to the Oru, one of Africa's oldest groups.

The Orus fall under 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria and Igbo is NOT one of them.

Your ethnic group ( Igbo, Ibo) was named by the Oru people. To attach Igbo and Oru in the same sentence is an insult to the Orus.

Alagoa did not reverse any history. The fact that he connected Ndoki to Benin can tell you he knows the exact families they belong to.

If all the ethnic groups whose lands are occupied by the Igbos through the activities of people like Azikiwe and Aguiyi-Ironsi reclaim their lands, the Igbo would be forced out of Nigeria.

To start with, Ubani is the abbreviation of a compound word. There is no ethnic group called Ubani.

George Washington, America's first president has a city named after him. His family had slaves who answered Washington as their surname. The name Washington did become the name of an ethnic group or tribe. Neither do you define the Washington family by their slaves.

Ijaw people can't be defined by Igbos, your understanding of how governance operates is very limited. That is why you cannot comprehend the Ijaw system with the Amayanabo as monarch.

You Igbos couldn't even organize yourselves at the very basic level. It was the Europeans who had to create the "warrant chief" system for you Igbos. I can understand why you made reference to the Ijaw system as feudal. To start with, the use of the word feudal within this context makes no sense.

Lolz...
This clown says there's nothing like oru Igbo

Lolz
Where do you think am from?
Ijaw trying to attach us

PHijo:


When did Ogbia people become Ibibio?

Ibibio people are not even found in Cross River state then they will be found in Bayelsa? How is that possible?

The only state Ibibios and Annang are indigenous to apart from Akwa Ibom is Abia state.

If only you use logic more often, you would know that Akwa-Ibom was created from Cross-Rivers, and states are arbitrary...
If we go by your logic, Ijaws cannot be found in Ondo state too...

Ogbia people, annang, Obolo, Ibeno, Ibibio are all classified under Cross-Rivers languages based on ethnologues.
Although they all do not have a common political purpose as one people, trust me, when they regain their consciousness, half of Bayelsa will be claimed based off of language alone by people from Akwa/Cross.

Ever since the Igbos started agitating and campagning for homogenous Igbo republic all the comments like; " we south south, attache by force, igbos want our oyel" have just diminished. Butterflies thinking to be birds. Why can't that fake, concocted geographical expression agitate for their own freedom as it is happening in east and west? Niger Delta only comes up when Biafra is mentioned. Useful idiots everywhere !! Igbo only country is good to go. God bless Igboland.

awgumayor:
Ever since the Igbos started agitating and campagning for homogenous Igbo republic all the comments like; " we south south, attache by force, igbos want our oyel" have just diminished. Butterflies thinking to be birds. Why can't that fake, concocted geographical expression agitate for their own freedom as it is happening in east and west? Niger Delta only comes up when Biafra is mentioned. Useful idiots everywhere !! Igbo only country is good to go. God bless Igboland.

This is what we tell IPOB. Stop making irrelevant groups relevant.
Ignore them like they don't exist. Focus on Igboland.

PHijo:


https://www.nairaland.com/5150843/ndoki-clan-reunion-ijaw-root

There is nothing like an " Oru Igbo". You can't be an Oru and an Igbo at the same time. The Igbo claim to be Jews from the Middle east which has no connection to the Oru, one of Africa's oldest groups.

The Orus fall under 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria and Igbo is NOT one of them.

Your ethnic group ( Igbo, Ibo) was named by the Oru people. To attach Igbo and Oru in the same sentence is an insult to the Orus.

Alagoa did not reverse any history. The fact that he connected Ndoki to Benin can tell you he knows the exact families they belong to.

If all the ethnic groups whose lands are occupied by the Igbos through the activities of people like Azikiwe and Aguiyi-Ironsi reclaim their lands, the Igbo would be forced out of Nigeria.

To start with, Ubani is the abbreviation of a compound word. There is no ethnic group called Ubani.

George Washington, America's first president has a city named after him. His family had slaves who answered Washington as their surname. The name Washington did become the name of an ethnic group or tribe. Neither do you define the Washington family by their slaves.

Ijaw people can't be defined by Igbos, your understanding of how governance operates is very limited. That is why you cannot comprehend the Ijaw system with the Amayanabo as monarch.

You Igbos couldn't even organize yourselves at the very basic level. It was the Europeans who had to create the "warrant chief" system for you Igbos. I can understand why you made reference to the Ijaw system as feudal. To start with, the use of the word feudal within this context makes no sense.

You say what?
Oru/Olu is the riverine part of Igboland.
The Ogbaru, Ndoni, Ogba,Oguta Parts of Anambra west LGA, even Ndokwa are all called Oru/Olu in Igbo meaning riverine brothers.

In Igbo we have a saying: "Olu na Igbo", which literally translates to the "water and the land ", which eventually means"the whole world".

Ndoki a clan whose head is called Eze NWANKWO can not have originated from anywhere else.

ken6488:
An igbo claiming akwa ibom

Ok keep deceiving your self if it makes you feel better

ken6488:
An igbo claiming akwa ibom

check all my posts here. ask Huncho Gee the known Akwa ibom guy or Kinematics the known Akwa ibom hater.. he knows me Na.

kmcutez:


You sounded too much like an IPOB. Try to disguise small next time to be believable.

Unfortunately for you..I'm not one though I'm sympathetic to the Igbos and I love them but I will rather share a country with the Igbos than one filled with different tribes in the Niger delta. that is another Nigeria

kmcutez:


You sounded too much like an IPOB. Try to disguise small next time to be believable.

Unfortunately for you..I'm not one though I'm sympathetic to the Igbos and I love them but I will rather share a country with the Igbos than one filled with different tribes in the Niger delta. that is another Nigeria and we don't want that.
and besides Akwa ibom is divided by igbo states far than the other Niger delta states . how den would we form a country with some place like that. is like being here in Nigeria and calling your self USA where clearly many countries of the world borders you to the US.. impossible

awgumayor:
Ever since the Igbos started agitating and campagning for homogenous Igbo republic all the comments like; " we south south, attache by force, igbos want our oyel" have just diminished. Butterflies thinking to be birds. Why can't that fake, concocted geographical expression agitate for their own freedom as it is happening in east and west? Niger Delta only comes up when Biafra is mentioned. Useful idiots everywhere !! Igbo only country is good to go. God bless Igboland.

Left for many Igbo, what they want is 90% Igbo nation and maybe add Akwa Ibom due to e are related


The rest non Igbo like inaw, etc can go to blazes....even Ikwerre
..we don't want drawbacks

NikAustine:
check all my posts here. ask Huncho Gee the known Akwa ibom guy or Kinematics the known Akwa ibom hater.. he knows me Na.

I don't know you

jerseyboy:


Anioma people will shock igbos with their choice. And by a wide margin.

So you mean Anioma will choose Niger Delta so the Igbo hatred will then be transferred to them?

justtoodark:

shattap....
biafra pipedreams....
try it na and get yourself killed....

Why are you jumping on people's mentions like a maddd man with no direction?

Ahamefuna0001:


Why are you jumping on people's mentions like a maddd man with no direction?

shattapu....!!
soo,we should keep quiet and allow only people like you to talk....??

what do you fools think you are....??

you are all nothing....

nathing....!!!!

Igboid:


You say what?
Oru/Olu is the riverine part of Igboland.
The Ogbaru, Ndoni, Ogba,Oguta Parts of Anambra west LGA, even Ndokwa are all called Oru/Olu in Igbo meaning riverine brothers.

In Igbo we have a saying: "Olu na Igbo", which literally translates to the "water and the land ", which eventually means"the whole world".

Ndoki a clan whose head is called Eze NWANKWO can not have originated from anywhere else.

Even in defunct eastern region. The Igbo tried to change our names, language and identity. Is it in states you Igbo are overwhelming majority you will allow Ijaw, Igala and Ibibio minorities to bare their real names?

Since when did Igbo mean land in the Igbo language? Since when did miri stop being water in the Igbo language that Oru is now the word for water?

Biko, learn your language well before you talk in public.

There are only 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria that are Oru, none of them are closely related to the Igbo.

I have been saying it, if we claim our ancestral land and the Annnang/ Ibibio and Igala do the same, the Igbo would be in IDP camps.

You claim Opobo people are Igbo because of Jaja, Jaja's name is Ijaw, he lived in another Ijaw community before moving to another Ijaw community. Yet you insist Ndoki couldn't have come from elsewhere because the person who heads their clan is called Eze Nwankwo but Opobo's monarch goes by traditional title, amayanabo and yet you Igbos spurious claims.

PHijo:


Even in defunct eastern region. The Igbo tried to change our names, language and identity. Is it in states you Igbo are overwhelming majority you will allow Ijaw, Igala and Ibibio minorities to bare their real names?

Since when did Igbo mean land in the Igbo language? Since when did miri stop being water in the Igbo language that Oru is now the word for water?

Biko, learn your language well before you talk in public.

There are only 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria that are Oru, none of them are closely related to the Igbo.

I have been saying it, if we claim our ancestral land and the Annnang/ Ibibio and Igala do the same, the Igbo would be in IDP camps.

You claim Opobo people are Igbo because of Jaja, Jaja's name is Ijaw, he lived in another Ijaw community before moving to another Ijaw community. Yet you insist Ndoki couldn't have come from elsewhere because the person who heads their clan is called Eze Nwankwo but Opobo's monarch goes by traditional title, amayanabo and yet you Igbos spurious claims.

Olu/Oru means riverine dwellers in Igbo. Deal with it.
We called riverine dwelling brothers Olu/Oru and they called us Igbo, meaning land/forest dwellers.

Opobo was not an Ijaw community. It was an Ibibiod territory which Jaja took from them and resettled his subjects which included Igbos and Ijaws in.
There was no Ijaw man on the Island before Jaja arrival.

King in Ijaw realms are called Pere. King in Opobo town are called Eze! Amanyanabo is but a title which could always be borrowed.

PHijo:


Even in defunct eastern region. The Igbo tried to change our names, language and identity. Is it in states you Igbo are overwhelming majority you will allow Ijaw, Igala and Ibibio minorities to bare their real names?

Since when did Igbo mean land in the Igbo language? Since when did miri stop being water in the Igbo language that Oru is now the word for water?

Biko, learn your language well before you talk in public.

There are only 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria that are Oru, none of them are closely related to the Igbo.

I have been saying it, if we claim our ancestral land and the Annnang/ Ibibio and Igala do the same, the Igbo would be in IDP camps.

You claim Opobo people are Igbo because of Jaja, Jaja's name is Ijaw, he lived in another Ijaw community before moving to another Ijaw community. Yet you insist Ndoki couldn't have come from elsewhere because the person who heads their clan is called Eze Nwankwo but Opobo's monarch goes by traditional title, amayanabo and yet you Igbos spurious claims.

An
You made no sense
Do you even know where am from?

You ijaws are loser
You tried claiming Lagos failed
Edo failed,
Ondo failed,
Odinary Rivers too failed
Now you are trying to claim oru
Of all places
Yes
Mirri means water
But hope you are aware that water, is different from sea, River, stream oceans or lake?

Nigercity:


An
You made no sense
Do you even know where am from?

You ijaws are loser
You tried claiming Lagos failed
Edo failed,
Ondo failed,
Odinary Rivers too failed
Now you are trying to claim oru
Of all places
Yes
Mirri means water
But hope you are aware that water, is different from sea, River, stream oceans or lake?

Taaa ma cho onu!

Do you think I am Yoruba you can lie to?

When did Igbo know there is River, sea and ocean?

Your language doesn't even have male or female gender and you want to have different words for water.

Until you started stealing Ijaw words you only had one word for land in Igbo language.

PHijo:


Taaa ma cho onu!

Do you think I am Yoruba you can lie to?

When did Igbo know there is River, sea and ocean?

Your language doesn't even have male or female gender and you want to have different words for water.

Until you started stealing Ijaw words you only had one word for land in Igbo language.

Linguistic studies have shown that you Ijaws are actually migrants from ghana area since your language is not related to those of other groups in Nigeria or Niger delta region. I remember when Igboid explained it but you never challenged it. Your ancestors were basically fulanis in canoes settling on the edges of other peoples lands.

PHijo:


Taaa ma cho onu!

Do you think I am Yoruba you can lie to?

When did Igbo know there is River, sea and ocean?

Your language doesn't even have male or female gender and you want to have different words for water.

Until you started stealing Ijaw words you only had one word for land in Igbo language.

Igbo language is a richer language than Ijaw. It dominates wherever it goes which is why it remains the language of grand Bonny and Opobo to your anger. Your language couldn't compete.

Now here are Igbo words for water bodies:

Mmili/Mmiri/Miri/mili/Mini/Mmunyi= Water
Iyi= Stream/river
Odoko Mmili/ Eju= lakes/ponds/puddles
Iyi-enu= Fountain
Oshimili/Orimili/Osimili= Big River
Oke Oshimili= Seas/Oceans
Oru/Olu= Those who live by water bodies

Kinematics:




I don't know you

Lol..your post says you do. besides we all know how much you hate us na...no be today

PHijo:


Taaa ma cho onu!

Do you think I am Yoruba you can lie to?

When did Igbo know there is River, sea and ocean?

Your language doesn't even have male or female gender and you want to have different words for water.

Until you started stealing Ijaw words you only had one word for land in Igbo language.

Lolz
Your first line thoo
Even goggle translate couldn't help you

Lolz...
I would have loved to school your ignorance
But come to think of it
Don't you watch Nollywood movies with subtitles?
We don't have word male or female gender...lolz
Who told you that
Guess ogogooro inspiration
(How I wish, Nairaland get voice note)

NikAustine:
[s]Lol..your post says you do. besides we all know how much you hate us na...no be today[/s]

I know you not. Also I'm not a hater of AKS, I only write the truth.

AdakaBoro8:
yeebos that are not even up to 6million want to fight everybody.. i just pity yeebos.. it like some tribes want to go into extinction.

when you are through please take your head out of the toilet,you have inhaled enuff toxic fumes.....mumu man !

PHijo:


If you know the history of Abia and Imo you wouldn't even post it!

Much of Abia and Imo was owned by Ijaws and Ibibio people.

The Ndoki have Ijaw ancestry. This is something we ( Ijaws) in Rivers state know.

this is another dude whose favorite pastime is toilet bowl-induced hallucinations, we will not treat your f**k up since we are brothers, we go tolerate you sha!

awgumayor:
Ever since the Igbos started agitating and campagning for homogenous Igbo republic all the comments like; " we south south, attache by force, igbos want our oyel" have just diminished. Butterflies thinking to be birds. Why can't that fake, concocted geographical expression agitate for their own freedom as it is happening in east and west? Niger Delta only comes up when Biafra is mentioned. Useful idiots everywhere !! Igbo only country is good to go. God bless Igboland.

The Most High Yah will reward our efforts ! we shall live to witness the birth of Biafra

Kinematics:



I know you not. Also I'm not a hater of AKS, I only write the truth.

You don't write any truth..u hate us. everyone here that have seen your comments about my state knows you'd

ThumbzTNA:
If Nigeria splits, some LGAs in Delta and Rivers are going with Igbos. The so called Delta Igbos (I so hate that Delta Igbo tag)

Aniocha, Ndokwa and Oshimili LGAs in Delta State are going with Igbos

Obigbo, Etche LGA in Rivers State are going with Igbos

- We dash Benin people Ika and Ikwerre people. We igbos don't want them

- Akwa Ibom and Cross River will go with Igbos too, but they'll be more Cross River people opposing joining Igbos than they'll be Akwa Ibom peope

Akwa ibom and cross river will never go with igbos.we rather die in nigeria that join biafra

gregyboy:



Your mad, edo would remain autonomous we would fight for our autonomy if its our last option


Edo would stand as a country it stood in the past as one it would stand again,

Edo...who is Edo

The Esan don't like Benins

Auchi will go with North
Akoko Edo, Utsen will go with Yoruba
Igbanke will go with Igbo


So...who are the Edo.......is it

NikAustine:
You don't write any truth..u hate us. everyone here that have seen your comments about my state knows you'd

Thats what you think. Not a fact.