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RussellRutherfo:
Hadith
أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ آدَمَ، عَنْ عَبْدَةَ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ تَزَوَّجَنِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَنَا بِنْتُ سِتٍّ وَدَخَلَ عَلَىَّ وَأَنَا بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ وَكُنْتُ أَلْعَبُ بِالْبَنَاتِ ‏.‏
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

Sahih (Darussalam)

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378
In-book : Book 26, Hadith 183
English translation : Vol. 4, Book 26, Hadith 3380
Sunan an-Nasai

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ كُنْتُ أَلْعَبُ بِالْبَنَاتِ عِنْدَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَكَانَ لِي صَوَاحِبُ يَلْعَبْنَ مَعِي، فَكَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِذَا دَخَلَ يَتَقَمَّعْنَ مِنْهُ، فَيُسَرِّبُهُنَّ إِلَىَّ فَيَلْعَبْنَ مَعِي‏.‏
Narrated `Aisha:

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Sahih al-Bukhari 6130
In-book : Book 78, Hadith 157
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 151  

Hadith
وَحَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سَبْعِ سِنِينَ وَزُفَّتْ إِلَيْهِ وَهِيَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ وَلُعَبُهَا مَعَهَا وَمَاتَ عَنْهَا وَهِيَ بِنْتُ ثَمَانَ عَشْرَةَ ‏.‏
A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

Sahih Muslim 1422 c
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 83
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3311

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ يَحْيَى، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الْعَزِيزِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ تَلْعَبُ بِالْبَنَاتِ عِنْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَتْ وَكَانَتْ تَأْتِينِي صَوَاحِبِي فَكُنَّ يَنْقَمِعْنَ مِنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَتْ فَكَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يُسَرِّبُهُنَّ إِلَىَّ ‏.‏
A'isha reported that she used to play with dolls in the presence of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), whereas Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent them to her.

Sahih Muslim 2440 a
In-book : Book 44, Hadith 117
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 31, Hadith 5981


So you see not only are the Trinitarians better than you Headslammers but they are not liars like you and they don't believe in a 51years old man who slept with a 9year old girl child that has not yet reached puberty and still played with dolls. Trinitarians are not Terrorists who will behead anyone or chop hands of anyone because you mock their Jesus but I know you can do that if someone close to you even merely shows you these authentic Hadiths of your Prophet Muhammad.

This is what you will do next in your next response. You will deny these authentic Hadiths and do on to lie without providing any tangible proof. Oya! Act like a Muslim now by lying in your next response.

RussellRutherfo:
Don't mind him, MaxInDHouse.
I know they pretty well. They don't do any research except lift from JW online library and paste everywhere. Same analogy. Same misinterpreted bible verses that have no correlation to what's been said. I know their game very well. I have studied with them before so I know their red herrings and strawman arguments.
I want to bring him to discuss his organization's history. Till tomorrow, he will be all over throwing up misinterpreted Bible verses in your face in other to blind you to the lies of their organization. I know their game pretty well.
He quoted Luke to mean very few but Jesus didn't state a figure like they usually lie about and the rest of Jehovah Witnesses having just earthly hope. I usually ask them. How few is few that Jesus Christ was talking about here in this Luke that he quoted but they don't seem to know. They do acrobatics to another verse to misinterpret it and blind you from the very evidence in front of them. The same Luke he quoted sees Jesus Christ saying this below:
Luke 13:28-30 KJV — There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
The main take away here is that Many Shall come from the East, West, North, South of this world and sit at the Kingdom of God which we all know where it is at while those who prided themselves as the Jews and these Jehovah Witnesses who used to teach that no one will escape Armageddon that is not in their "Noah Ark" or "The Truth" or "Their Organization" will be burnt at Armageddon. ;DVery Sadistic people who are mainly waiting for the Christians to be burnt at Armageddon

They won't address this but be doing long jump all over the place. For now I want him to address the many lies of his organization. I don't want to play that Bible Games with him. You can't fool us.

mhmsadyq:
[s]Ok.
I thought it was from the Bible.

You didn't brought anything new, before you start celebrating an accomplishment.

Hundreds of Trinitarians have been quoting this hadith and more, since the creation of nairaland.

It is Stale!

The hadith is a source book of Islam. Hadith were largely recorded by Muslims who were around the Prophet. Some were later fabricated by people like you, though. we have a way of fishing those out.

If you a Trinitarian have a problem with it, we are comfortable with it.

Your approval or dismissal of it is, your headache to deal with.

From what Trinitarians do on Nairaland, they can better or equal boko haram. They are Terrorists!

[3:118] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا لَا تَتَّخِذُوۡا بِطَانَۃً مِّنۡ دُوۡنِکُمۡ لَا یَاۡلُوۡنَکُمۡ خَبَالًا ؕ وَدُّوۡا مَا عَنِتُّمۡ ۚ قَدۡ بَدَتِ الۡبَغۡضَآءُ مِنۡ اَفۡوَاہِہِمۡ ۚۖ وَ مَا تُخۡفِیۡ صُدُوۡرُہُمۡ اَکۡبَرُ ؕ قَدۡ بَیَّنَّا لَکُمُ الۡاٰیٰتِ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ تَعۡقِلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۸﴾

O believers! Do not confide in those who are not from amongst you. They will never miss (any) chance to cause you mischief. They wish you severe torture. As for their malice, that has become evident from their utterances, and (the hostility) that they have concealed in their hearts is (even) greater. We have made the signs manifest to you if you would use your intellect[/s].

RussellRutherfo:


Some were later fabricated by people like you, though. we have a way of fishing those out.



I swear lots of mental people on this forum.
You mean Trinitarians were the companions of Muhammad and fabricated all that Sahih authentic Hadiths I quoted.

Please explain more and mention the names of these "Trinitarian-Muslims" who forged this hadiths in your books.


Let me help you a bit with some expo. One of those "Trinitarian-Muslims" that fabricated the hadiths on Muhammad 1100 years ago is David Wood and Christian Prince. Muhammad took them from 2021 on a flying carpet to Jannah where they both sat down and fabricated all the Hadiths that Muslims read today. They fabricated even your five times a day prayer that can not be found in the qur'an. They were in the room about 1400year ago and recorded as Muhammad was boom-booming a 9year old girl child. Do you still want me to show more Sahih authentic Hadiths that these "Trinitarian-Muslims companions of Muhammad" fabricated from your books?




Let me also help you with Qur'an 3(The Family of Amran).

1)who is Amran?

2) why is qur'an sent down to confirm Moses Law and Jesus Injeel(Gospel)(3:3) meaning that they were God's word

3) why is the qur'an so confusing that only Allah can know it(3:7-14). Why send the qur'an down in the first place if some of its verses will decisive and some of the verses ambiguous? See also 7:53 and don't these verses contradict qur'an 25:33? It must be the "Trinitarian-Muslims" who also fabricated these verses in the qur'an. The same way Shaytaan put words in the mouth of Muhammad and he recited the qur'an.

4)what type of god is this Allah that makes a sex type of paradise where rivers will flow and his servants will several wives in there to do what? What do husband and a wife do behind close door? And what type of god wants men with several wives in the garden that they are supposed to be praising him to be gbenshing all day?(qur'an 3:15)

5) Qur'an 3:19. If the only religion with Allah is Islam and Muhammad's only work is to deliver Allah's message then why does this qur'an 3 contradict qur'an 4:89; 9:73; and 47:4 where Muhammad is commanded and commands Muslims to slay and kill as terrorist that they are to kill all unbelievers whereever they find them. Allah in the Qur'an uses such "Peaceful words" such as smite at their necks, subdued them,, bind a bond firmly on them. Take them not as friends, seize them and slay them.
very "peaceful words" from Muhammad. I think it must be the "Trinitarian-Muslims" who also fabricated these verses in the qur'an.


Let me pause here first and see your response before I come through with more analysis of the qur'an and Hadiths and how the "Trinitarian-Muslim companions of Muhammad" fabricated all the qur'an and hadiths.

MaxInDHouse:
You know i was wondering what could make someone come up with such username? now i remember you.

MaxInDHouse:
What you don't understand is the word "LOVE" Jesus' job as the Prince of Peace is to unite people of all nations through the preaching and teaching program he commissioned {Isaiah 2:2-4, 9-6}

MaxInDHouse:
but most people take love for weakness, Paul explained that true LOVE does not rejoice over unrighteousness but with the good {1Corinthians 13:6} we are talking about global PEACE and how to achieve it, Jesus taught us that we have to first create boundaries between those who are ready to work towards it and those who are ignorant of this movement {Matthew 10:6, 15:24; Mark 7:27} then we must forgo nepotism {Matthew 12:46-49} with this two steps all those prepared for the peace movement will suffice! John 13:34-35
You misunderstood Jesus completely Sir, if there is no disciplinary actions then nothing could be achieved no matter how much time and effort dedicated. That's what Apostle Paul and John meant when they ordered us not stop associating with those who gave up on the peace movement! Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11 compare to Luke 9:62

That is why JWs are the one and only group that has succeeded in eradicating racism and politics in the midst of fellow believers, if you allow family ties to come between you and the movement (nepotism) then you're surely prepared to fail! Matthew 10:37




Here you misconstrue truth for pride! When this organization began in the 1870s they never thought a time will come when there will be a distinction between members of this group and the rest of the world. Their target was to correct the churches of Christendom on matters that needs urgent attention. But as times goes on they began to realise that Jesus (the Prince of Peace) is now working with them so whoever wants to gain everlasting life must join the peace movement {John 3:16} today Jehovah's Witnesses have been through all races and gathered millions of people to make one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers. Micah 4:1-3
Nepotism, Racism and Politics that's causing hatred among all other people has been squashed among Jehovah's Witnesses. So there is nothing confusing about the fact that all those outside this movement aren't ready to work with the Prince of Peace hence it's certain that they're all on the road to destruction {Revelations 19:18 compare to Matthew 7:13-14} so if you can find a better performing group of worshipers working towards global peace let me know but as for the fact that God will destroy billions of people who failed to join His people {Zechariah 8:23} nothing changes it. I was a Muslim before i joined the movement!


There has never been a prophet or servant of God who never erred while delivering his assigned duty. But God doesn't look at their imperfection rather He focuses on their faithfulness and loyalty. The evidences pointing to Jehovah's Witnesses Organization as the one and only group practicing pure worship is clear. The mark Jesus gave for all sincere and honest hearted persons is LOVE permeating the midst of his followers and as an ex soldier who have been to many places on this planet i am telling you authoritatively that you can never ever find any other group of people among whom LOVE reign as King apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!
During wars all other religions fail to keep their members together as believers belonging to the same God but nothing can make JWs abandon their faithful fellow believer! John 13:34-35
So stop deceiving yourself my friend, don't think they will never err since they are imperfect humans, the single sign Jesus asked you to watch out for is LOVE uniting people of all races and wherever you can find such that is the one and only group of Christians, there is no law whether man-made or divine that's against their movement! Galatians 5:23
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

mhmsadyq:
All Stale!

Bring something new that no one has ever said against Allah and the Prophet.

PervertProphet:
My brother, Max. Forget these rancid recapitulated JW online library agitprop that don't add up Biblically where the Governing Body performs it's special type of Bible exegesis and acrobatics to arrive at answers that explain away all the lies that they have heard and affirmed to be true in the past but have now retracted making Jehovah look like a "clown" to the unbelievers. Your position is not different from the Muslim position where he denies his own sources but also races to the Bible to make use of verses and analogies that don't add up in the Bible to try and justify his lies instead of just admitting to the clear errors and lies in your publications.

Where do we start with your group even though I have asked you to explain some quotes from your publications which you have clearly avoided and instead have hurried to dump some of these JW acrobatics to explain away what is embarrassing about their history that goes back to the times of Judge Rutherford and Minister Russell.

A false prophet or false prophet organisation refers to a person or organisation that sets themselves up as a source of spiritual authority or teacher who claims to speak for God making such claims of an evil ends that never comes to pass. You will certainly know false prophets by their fruits no matter how very clever they try to mask as the light. In the last dispensation even among some of these crazy pastors just like the JW organisation. One very important mark you can never miss in identifying false prophets is contained as informed by Jesus Christ is contained in Mark 13:5-8 NKJV — And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many. “But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.

False Prophets and False Prophet organisations are always alarmist in nature. This fruit of theirs never fails. I could show several Qur'an and hadiths of Muhammad doing same. The JW organisation leadership starting from Minister Russell who lifted and copied the Nelson H. Barbour and Millerites false alarmist end of the ages predictions. This is also continued also in the times of Rutherford where wars, sufferings, etc are interpreted to mean that Armageddon is imminent upon us contrary to what Jesus Christ himself said that we do not panic or get deceived when we see Wars, nations rising against nations, etc as these are just the beginning of the trial and not yet the end. What false organisations like yours do in a Jim Jones styled hysteria is to raise the panic levels of the people and after then introduce them to flip flopping doctrines that they always have to constantly revise as "updated light". When all these failed all those years of false predictions by the JW organisation. They are now a little modest on their alarmist approach but you can still see it with their publications where they try so hard to manipulate the people with the present sufferings they are going through to try and imply that they need to study the Bible with JW in other to escape Armageddon. This alarmist approach is evident in how I have Jehovah Witnesses around me and even Watchtower portray world events as so bad that human life is at immediate risk of annhilation, and some Watchtower article, or recent world event, has Jehovah's Witnesses in a panic, or flurry of excitement, that Armageddon is upon us.

You already know what Deuteronomy 18:20-22(NWT):
“‘If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die.+ 21 However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’


Even aside Jehovah condemning false prophecies of dates. The Watchtower Society also condemns itself as JW organisation clearly states here in her publication that predicting a date that sees the end of the world amounts to false prophesy. Even Jesus Christ never gave a certain date that will see the end of the World. He was wise to get the disciples mind of that who before they encountered the Holy Spirit of God had the same alarmist approach that Jehovah Witnesses have today that leads the organisation to a manner of false prophecy and flip in doctrines which is a testament to the fact that the Holy Spirit of God is absent with the Watchtower Society hence the several inconsistencies and failed prophecies.


"True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end to the world," even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?

Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them." Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.23

They even misinterpreted politicians who obviously are not using Bible verses in their political analysis as a form of false prophet while you MaxInDHouse is trying to do the same stale JW acrobatics to exonerate yourself from the failed predictions and prophecies when you all actively teach the Bible. What hypocrisy!!

"Political leaders often end up being “false prophets” unable to fulfill their promises. Of course, not every ruler turns out to be a “Hitler,” whose promised “thousand-year reich” proved to be a disastrous 12 years of misrule. ... A very prominent political “prophet” of our present century was the League of Nations, formed in 1919. It foretold a world of lasting peace. But World War II unceremoniously dumped it into a pit of inactivity." Awake! 1981 Dec 8 p.14


The irony is Watchtower Society calling other religious or political organizations false prophets but does all types of back flips to escape their false prophecies tag for 1914 as the year for the end of the world, 1925 was the year earthly resurrection will start, etc. You now even deny much of the foundation of your history by downplaying your founder, Pastor Russell and Judge Rutherford when back in his days. He, false prophet Russell was referred to as your Prophet.

"This was the test - the coming down of fire; and the fulfillment exactly on time has proved that Pastor Russell was one of God's great reformers and prophets." Watchtower 1919 Oct 1 p.297
"For an answer, people should listen to the plain preaching by the remnant prefigured by Jeremiah, for these preach to men the present-day fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecies. Who made them a prophet to speak with the authority that they claim? Well, who made Jeremiah a prophet?" Watchtower 1959 Jan 15 pp.39-41
"Those who do not read can hear, for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization, just as he did in the days of the early Christian congregation." Watchtower 1964 Oct 1 p.601
Watchtower describes itself as the "modern-day" prophet.

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?
... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.
... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom." Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'


I am not yet done with addressing all your points but this post is becoming a little longer. Let me continue with a new post.

RussellRutherfo:
Okay! Sir
Wondering Max.
You put Russel+Rutherford(The Beth-Sarin&Rolls-Royce "anointed one" you would think that it is only some of these Pentecostal Pastors that love luxury not knowing that the "remnant" like Rutherford and Drunk Anthony Morris also love the things of this world and want a piece for themselves. These two major characters(Russel and Rutherford Donation&Trust Will receiving Real Estate Rich Corporation) that are the very foundation of your organization. What's so difficult in coming up this moniker especially since I want put the spotlight on them so anyone can go research on them and the organization next. What you don't understand is that Isaiah 2:2-4 that you quoted and misinterpreted. The usual Governing Body abracadabra. This Isaiah 2:2-4 is the parallel of Micah 4:1-3 where both Prophets discuss future events that is to happen thousand of years before Jesus Christ came through. Christianity as introduced by Jesus Christ was prophesied to be mountain of the LORD or Jehovah's House. Christianity will be openly preached and professed. It will be firmly rooted and fixed, established on top of the everlasting mountains, built upon a rock, so that the gates of Hell (Arian Heretics like Jehovah Witnesses, Islam, etc) will not prevail against it. No matter how hard they try. You can see despite all the publicational efforts of the Jehovah Witnesses, their website, thousand of articles, door to door preaching and marking those cards, hatred of the Christians called "Christendom" by Jehovah Witnesses, etc for hundreds of years. Jehovah Witnesses have remained at a paltry figure of 8.5 million publishers. The Christians are not even putting any effort compared to the Jehovah Witnesses and it is like the Holy Spirit witnesses for them. Now, Imagine if the Christians would put in just 10% of these vain efforts that Jehovah Witnesses and Muslims put to cast doubt of those who trust in Jesus Christ. Do you know what surplus harvest they would reap more!!!
The Wisdom of God in a mystery outshines all the wisdom of this World, all it's Philosophy, all islamic and Governing Body politics to cast doubt in the hearts of the true elects of God. All nations will have liberty of access, multitudes will embrace Christianity even in lands where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is restricted. We see that when the Christians have done the foundational work of laying their lives like Mary Slessor who was a Christian Missionary to Africa. The Babble and Crack Society will come in to steal the history and claim persecution and try to cast doubts in the hearts of the people won for Christ.
The LORD's house will not be composed of a single nation like the nation of Israel in the Old Testament and all these new cults that basically copy the Nationalistic ideas of Judaism like Jehovah Witnesses, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Kemets, etc who claim that only those in their "Ark" or who belong to their organization "The Truth" will only flow into the LORD's House. This is a lie rather many shall flow into the House of the LORD. Isaiah 2:3 KJV — And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. Jehovah never lies like the Governing Body. His word is confirmed in Micah 4:1-5 again. Micah 4:2 KJV — And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. Q1) Who is this God that teaches by Himself and goes forth from Jerusalem? Who is this God that Judges among the Nations? Answer: Jesus Christ and can we prove this. See Zechariah 8:3(Jehovah himself dwells in the midst of Jerusalem); Zechariah 8:23(Every Language of nations will grab hold of the garment of Jehovah (Ask yourself can anyone grab hold of the garment of Jehovah if He was not Jesus Christ in the New Testament). Future Generations will grab a hold of the garment of this Jehovah who became a Jew in the person of Jesus Christ and say that they would go with this Jew who is Jehovah because God is with you. Also, see Psalm 25:8(The LORD or Jehovah teaches Sinners in the right way). Also, Isaiah 54:13. John 6:45(Jesus teaches and all that heard Him learnt from God). Matthew 28:19&20 teaching them all I, Jesus Christ have taught or Commanded you. It is not this False Prophet WatchTower (An Observatory kind of Name that seeks to what particular year that Jehovah who is Jesus will bring the Kingdom) Jehovah Witnesses organization that observes Dates and Years like 1914, 1975, 1925, etcetera just like the Pharisees Jews who Jesus Christ told Luke 17:20 KJV — And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: The Word of Jehovah who taught by Himself went from Jerusalem to all the nations of the Earth and not this revisionist "gospel of jehovah witnesses" that went forth from Russel who plagiarized from the Seventh Day Advents and Rutherford and the rest of the Corporation at Brooklyn, USA continued this similar "Light update" with teachings constantly flipping and updated like some common Google app. I still have more to say but I think this post is now long. Let me create a new one as if possible I want to address your post one by one.
Galatians 1:6-9 NKJV — I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

RussellRutherfo:


It's all Stale! It's all Stale!! It's all Stale!!!

Till you end up in Hell and join Muhammad in torments and sleeping with your share of the 72 wives imported from Hell by Allah for you.



Bring something new that no one has ever said against Allah and the Prophet


So you even know that Muhammad is an Entertainment Cruise. Each time I want to laugh and see some embarrassing or senseless sayings of Muhammad. I pick up my Qur'an and Hadith books to read. At least I love to see the qur'an and hadiths writings that the "Trinitarian-Muslim companions of Qāsim a.k.a Muhammad" forged into the Muslim and Allah that is supposed to be Almighty couldn't prevent these "Trinitarian-Muslims" from fabricating all these inside the Qur'an and hadiths. Does it mean that Allah is not all Powerful?
You see if these "Trinitarian-Muslims" wrote these fabricated verses in maybe another book bearing titles like the "The Surah of Muhammad". It would have been so easy to catch these "Trinitarian-Muslims" but alas! Allah kept quiet and watched these "Trinitarian-Muslim companions of Qāsim a.k.a Muhammad like Christian Prince, Usama Daddok, David Wood, Al-Fadi and Sam Shamoun, etc to write inside the very books of Qur'an and hadiths.

This is very bad of Allah to allow that. I forgot Allah is the greatest deceiver. He takes pleasure in deceiving everyone from Muslims to Christians to Jews. He loves to confuse everyone.

If not for the fact that you Muslims always love to follow the qur'an and hadiths and behead anyone who criticises Muhammad. I am very sure by now someone would have created employment for thousand of people by using these qur'an and hadiths to make a film on Muhammad's life. I am very sure that it would be very interesting to watch. Theo Van Gogh tried it and boom. One of your "Peaceful Muslim" killed him in broad daylight in a civilized place like Europe but the Trinitarians who Allah made to be writers and "fabricators" of your qur'an and hadiths. You will abuse their Jesus Christ all day even make films of Jesus Christ and no of them will even care but make a film on the "interesting" life of Muhammad and immediately. Someone like you that is very "Peaceful and Moderate" will behead the person.

I have never seen such a "Peaceful Religion like Islam" that gives us people who kill because a dead Muhammad over 1400 years ago was criticized.

RussellRutherfo:


It's all Stale! It's all Stale!! It's all Stale!!!

Till you end up in Hell and join Muhammad in torments and sleeping with your share of the 72 wives imported from Hell by Allah for you.



Bring something new that no one has ever said against Allah and the Prophet


So you even know that Muhammad is an Entertainment Cruise. Each time I want to laugh and see some embarrassing or senseless sayings of Muhammad. I pick up my Qur'an and Hadith books to read. At least I love to see the qur'an and hadiths writings that the "Trinitarian-Muslim companions of Qāsim a.k.a Muhammad" forged into the Muslim and Allah that is supposed to be Almighty couldn't prevent these "Trinitarian-Muslims" from fabricating all these inside the Qur'an and hadiths. Does it mean that Allah is not all Powerful?
You see if these "Trinitarian-Muslims" wrote these fabricated verses in maybe another book bearing titles like the "The Surah of Muhammad". It would have been so easy to catch these "Trinitarian-Muslims" but alas! Allah kept quiet and watched these "Trinitarian-Muslim companions of Qāsim a.k.a Muhammad like Christian Prince, Usama Daddok, David Wood, Al-Fadi and Sam Shamoun, etc to write inside the very books of Qur'an and hadiths.

This is very bad of Allah to allow that. I forgot Allah is the greatest deceiver. He takes pleasure in deceiving everyone from Muslims to Christians to Jews. He loves to confuse everyone.

If not for the fact that you Muslims always love to follow the qur'an and hadiths and behead anyone who criticises Muhammad. I am very sure by now someone would have created employment for thousand of people by using these qur'an and hadiths to make a film on Muhammad's life. I am very sure that it would be very interesting to watch. Theo Van Gogh tried it and boom. One of your "Peaceful Muslim" killed him in broad daylight in a civilized place like Europe but the Trinitarians who Allah made to be writers and "fabricators" of your qur'an and hadiths. You will abuse their Jesus Christ all day even make films of Jesus Christ and no of them will even care but make a film on the "interesting" life of Muhammad and immediately. Someone like you that is very "Peaceful and Moderate" will behead the person.

I have never seen such a "Peaceful Religion like Islam" that gives us people who kill because a dead Muhammad over 1400 years ago was criticized.

MaxInDHouse:
So you call people who are mimicking what is written in the Bible false prophet simply because they believe what is written, shey?

My friend, you don't know what false prophet means. I thought you're about to show me where the JWs prophesied something different from what is found written in God's word!

In the Bible John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and all the Christians keep saying "God's Kingdom is AT HAND"
Jesus even said to Apostle John (after showing him the Revelations of the end time) "surely i come quickly " and John enthusiastically responded "AMEN! Come Lord Jesus" Revelations 22:20

My friend, JWs only mimicked what Jesus said with FAITH so if you call JWs false prophets for that please what will you call Jesus who said what is written in the Bible book of John 11:25-26

Just say you don't believe in Jesus that's all, as for JWs our FAITH stands unshakable that Jesus is coming anytime from now! 2Peter 3:3-4

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
@ RussellRutherfo

This is the story of a man who vowed to see the end of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in Germany but on the contrary Germany is the number one country having the highest number of JWs on this planet today!

Where is Adolf Hitler? Come to Germany and see JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
So learn to walk away without fighting God's chosen people otherwise you'll end up like Adolf Hitler!


Adolf Hitler was a German politician. He was born in Austria. In his political life, Adolf Hitler commenced his political career in the 12 months of 1933 when he grew to become the leader of the Nazi Party. At this time he grew to be the Chancellor of Germany till the year 1945.


Adolf Hitler used to be on the other hand a highly feared dictator. Concerning his death, it is said that Hitler killed himself using a gun. He committed suicide on April 30th in the year 1945 in Berlin. On the same day, his spouse who he had married for solely one day died together with him the place she also committed suicide by way of taking cyanide.

Before his death, Hitler had written down his will pointing out that our bodies must be burnt. So as per their instructions, the bodies of the two have been carried and doused in petroleum and then set on fire. This occurred at Reich Chancellery garden.


However, there have been claims regarding Hitler' s death. Some documents indicate that he died of self- poisoning. But to refute these claims, Soviet archives have information that three humans witnessed and demonstrated that they saw Hitler' s body just after he died and had blood oozing from a self- inflicted gunshot wound. One witness says that Hitler shot himself into the mouth for this reason killing himself.


After Hitler and his wife were burnt, the remains of their bodies have been recovered and buried. Later in 1970, the bodies had been recovered and cremated and the ashes scattered.

The reports of Hitler' s death were unmasked to Germany on May 1st, 1945. This used to be a day after he was once dead and our bodies burnt. However, the Soviet Union maintained that Hitler was once no longer dead for political reasons. There was later quite several conspiracies regarding his loss of life where some of the claims indicated that he had run away till the complete story used to be unmasked later on after attainment of political stability.

JimaeChinko:
Before, I plunge into your misquoted use of Revelation 22:20 to mean that Jehovah Witnesses that prophecied actual dates is the same as Jesus saying "I will come quickly" when it is still you JW that says 1000years is a day in the sight of Jehovah. I could go lift off this explanation for you from the JW online library. Look at your blasphemy of the Holy Spirit of God sent by Jesus Christ all in a bid to justify your organizational lies.

I want the World to see how your organization tell lies. Countless of them and never seem to agree on one particular one. They change them always because they have no Holy Spirit but are deceivers sent out to the world to deceive many.

Years of Confusion by the False Antichrist Jehovah Witness Organization
Who is the Speaker here in Revelation 22:12?

Revelation 22:12
Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. (NASB)

The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to Jehovah and not to the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: The Alpha and the Omega of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God. The expression, Look! I am coming quickly, in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as coming to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) (Alpha and Omega, Volume 1)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000208

The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: In the last book of the Bible, the glorified Christ Jesus stresses the suddenness of his coming, saying: I am coming quickly. (Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20) (Prove Yourself Ready for Jehovah's Day, December 15, 2003)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003924

The scriptures sited are Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20 which is a combination of both Jesus and Jehovah saying they are coming quickly. Watchtower is not just talking about Rev 22:12. JWs don't believe Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. Our publications are not flawless or inspired by God, so it is appears Rev 22:12 got tossed in for good measure. Yet this doesn't change our views, the information in the Insight book is correct view of Jehovah's Witnesses. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000208


Insight on the Scriptures, 1988, Vol.I, pp.80,81, states that Rev.22:13 is "the final occurrence of the title 'Alpha & Omega,' and that 'it is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter. Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John, verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus, the first part of verse 17 is credited to "the spirit and the bride," and the one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 'The Alpha & Omega' of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.


Double tongue.

JimaeChinko:
For all your noise of Jehovah Witnesses in Germany today. They are not even up to 200,000 while the Christendom without any preaching are at 50million+

mhmsadyq:
"Trinitarian-Muslims"
They are Christians disguising as Muslim scholars on Nairaland and elsewhere.

Well, you are only doing what is expected of an unbeliever.

I am presently in a mosque listening to meanings of the Glorious Qur'an from a Competent and qualified Muslim Scholar.
So spiritually enriching! Alhamdullilah!

You can continue with your Trinitarian - Muslim interpretation for the Misguided.

shadeyinka:
Sometimes, it's good to be the devil's advocate. I only answered the questions according to the kind of answers I normally get from Muslims. It's unfortunate that PervertProphet didn't check to see my pun. I don't joke with my Spiritual Identity.

Now, back to the issue. You will discover that I didn't engage you Muslims on the interpretation of the Hadith stated by the OP.

But since you have stated your position, I want to state that you didn't say anything different from what the Hadith said. There is the figure 700,000 which seems to be the ceiling even from your explanation.[b]I think [/b]Mohammed said that because he never knew that Islam will produce billions of adherents all over the world. And of a truth, 700,000 is a large crowd only small when you compare to the population of Muslims in the world

AntiChristian:
See the bolded. Keep what you think to yourself whether the holy spirit inspired the thought or the devil. We don't think to interprete our text. We look for other texts that explains them.

shadeyinka:
You sound pained!

The truth sometimes hurt!

If you like, use the encyclopedia to explain your Qur'an and Hadiths: how is that my business?

JimaeChinko:
You watch too much Bethel films produced by Stephen Lett and Anthony Morris.
What do you expect when all what you watch are those boring watchtower film clips that tell lies upon lies..


You suddenly want to take the suffering that the Jews, Blacks, some evangelical Christians called the Confessing Church who during these period were persecuted by Hitler Nazi party and claim that only the Jehovah Witnesses where persecuted. You lie too much. Get a Handkerchief and clean your mouth first before we continue.

All religious groups inclusive of the Catholic Church that Hitler was raised in suffered one form of Persecution or the other except some of them that finally submitted to supporting the Nazi Party or be wiped out. Even 400 of the Catholic Priests that was Hitler was raised in were sent to the Concentration camp as Hitler wanted to totally clean Germany of any form of Christianity. He had a new liking for Islam and felt Christianity was too liberal, weak and too peaceful in mobilizing the people as against Islam that he felt was more decisive in that respect. Many Islamic Muftis who also hated the Jews like Hitler also visited Hitler during his time alive. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, on November 28, 1941, at the Reich Chancellory in Berlin. The Arab countries were firmly convinced that Germany would win the war and that the Arab cause would then prosper. The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews and the Communists. Therefore they were prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in the war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion. Not all Muslims though were bad. There were some who didn't obey the qu'ran and hid some Jews from the Nazi Army like Imam Si Kaddour Benghabrit who hid some Jews in his Paris Mosque. A movie was even made about him.

What you forgot to tell us( It might have escaped your mind as you didn't see it on Jehovah Witness website for you to copy and paste as usual ) is that early in 1933, the Watchtower office in Berlin was closed and Jehovah's Witnesses were banned in many German states. This was due to the refusal of Jehovah's Witnesses to swear loyalty to the government or to serve in its armed forces.

In an attempt to appease Hitler into lifting the ban, Rutherford instigated a Declaration of Facts and sent a Letter to Hitler discussing Watchtower's support of the Nazi regime.

Current Watchtower references provide a deceptive portrayal of these documents, through selective quoting. The Proclaimer's book mentions that Rutherford wrote a letter to Hitler under the context of "facing Nazi oppression", in which the Watchtower Society is made to sound as if they were firmly against the Nazi regime.

"Therefore, on June 25, 1933, a declaration regarding their ministry and its objectives was adopted by Jehovah's Witnesses at an assembly in Berlin. Copies were sent to all the high government officials, and millions more were distributed to the public. Nevertheless, in July 1933 the courts refused to grant a hearing for relief. Early the following year, a personal letter regarding the situation was written by J. F. Rutherford to Adolf Hitler and delivered to him by special messenger. Then the entire worldwide brotherhood went into action.

On Sunday morning, October 7, 1934, at nine o'clock, every group of Witnesses in Germany assembled. They prayed for Jehovah's guidance and blessing. Then each group sent a letter to German government officials declaring their firm determination to keep on serving Jehovah." - Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimer's Of God's Kingdom p.693
It is surprising to find the opposite is true, which can be identified when reading the content of Rutherford's 1933 letter to Hitler and the Declaration of Facts.

Russell, founder of the Watchtower, was a Zionist and sympathetic to Jews as part of modern day fulfilment of Bible prophecy. Rutherford initially continued such support, but changed by the 1930's to an anti-Semitic stance.

"Be it known once and for all that those profiteering, conscienceless, selfish men who call themselves Jews, and who control the greater portion of the finances of the world and the business of the world, will never be the rulers in this new earth. God would not risk such selfish men with such an important position" The Golden Age 1927 Feb 23 p.343
"The Jews were evicted from Palestine and ‘their house left unto them desolate’ because they rejected Christ Jesus, the beloved and anointed King of Jehovah. To this day the Jews have not repented of this wrongful act committed by their forefathers. … In 1917 the Balfour Declaration, sponsored by the heathen governments of Satan's organization, came forth, recognized the Jews, and bestowed upon them great favors. ... The Jews have received more attention at their hands than they really deserved." Vindication - Book II (1932) pp.257-258
During the time of Rutherford, Watchtower published a tirade of insults against other Churches and governments. The Catholic Church come under the greatest condemnation and bought this to the attention of the Nazi government, petitioning against the Watchtower Society. In 1933, the Nazi government banned the Watchtower's German operations.

“In June of the so-called “Holy Year” of 1933 Adolf Hitler’s regime seized the Watch Tower Society’s property in Magdeburg and banned the activities of Jehovah’s people in Germany as regards meetings and literature distribution, though the property was returned that October.” Yearbook 1975 p.174

In an effort to overturn the ban, Rutherford sent a Letter and a Declaration to Hitler, in which he praises Hitler for his anti-Anglo/American campaign and his stance against the Jews.

Following is part of an English translation of the Letter to Hitler.

"Dear Reichskanzler,
…
The Brooklyn headquarter of the Watchtower Society is pro German in an exemplary way and has been so for many years. For that reason, in 1918, the president of the Society and seven members of the board of directors were sentenced to 80 years in prison, because the president refused to use two of the magazines published in America under his direction for war propaganda against Germany. These two magazines, "The Watchtower" and "Bible Student" were the only magazines in America which refused to engage in anti-German propaganda and for that reason were prohibited and suppressed in America during the war.

In the very same manner, in course of the recent months the board of directors of our Society not only refused to engage in propaganda against Germany, but has even taken a position against it. The enclosed declaration underlines this fact and emphasizes that the people leading in such propaganda (Jewish businessmen and Catholics) also are the most rigorous persecutors of the work of our Society and its board of directors. This and other statements of the declaration are meant to repudiate the slanderous accusation, that Bible Researchers are supported by the Jews.

The conference of five thousand delegates also noted - as is expressed in the declaration - that the Bible Researchers of Germany are fighting for the very same high ethical goals and ideals which also the national government of the German Reich proclaimed respecting the relationship of humans to God, namely: honesty of the created being towards its creator.

The conference came to the conclusion that there are no contradictions when it comes to the relationship between the Bible Researchers of Germany to the national government of the German Reich. To the contrary, referring to the purely religious and unpolitical goals and efforts of the Bible Researchers, it can be said that these are in full agreement with the identical goals of the national government of the German Reich.

...

We are looking forward to your kind approval, which we hope to receive soon, and want to assure our highest respect to you, honorable Mr. Reichskanzler.

Yours faithfully,
Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Magdeburg"

For all your noise of Jehovah Witnesses in Germany today. They are not even up to 200,000 while the Christendom without any preaching are at 50million+.

AntiChristian:
The Holy Spirit can not explain our texts just as you claim "carnal minds" can't explain your text.
Yes, pained you are using your limited and dysfunctional thoughts to explain our texts.

enilove:
What an exhibit

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus commissioned a global preaching and teaching program which will make his followers always go visiting their neighbours in their homes and everywhere they could find them (uninvited) Matthew 10:3-15; Luke 10:1-5
Please Sir how many persons in Germany are going from house to house and door to door with this preaching and teaching program as Jesus instructed?
I conclude that it's only those doing what Jesus instructed that are his true followers if we are to agree with the founder of Christianity himself! John 8:32, 14:15 compare to Matthew 28:19-20
So it's not those calling Jesus Lord Lord that are his true followers rather it's those exercising faith in his instructions! Matthew 7:21-23

So regarding the population in Germany, what i am saying (perhaps you missed the point) is that when we work on the ratio in proportion to the total inhabitants of Germany, the nation is leading all others with the number of JWs in that country. For instance Russia is 146,000,000 in 2020 with 175,000 JWs while Germany is 84,000,000 with about 170,000 active preachers and teachers of God's word!

That's what i'm saying Sir!

enilove:
I am not against JW since they also call on God and make use of the same bible as their guide.

I don't also understand much about them.
But I have some reservations about them in the area of calling Jesus Angel Michael and their failed predictions of end time . Other than these, I love them because they are peaceful and easy going.

MaxInDHouse:
The young Jewish ruler who came to Jesus was not against Jesus and his disciples because they make use of the same scriptures as their guide! Luke 18:18-21



That young Jewish ruler also don't understand much about Jesus and his disciples but he have some reservations about them in claiming there is no other way except Jesus {John 14:6} which means people following all other groups are DEAD SPIRITUALLY unless they abandon their former religious beliefs and join Jesus' group! Luke 9:57-62

So make sure you get to the root of whatever hinders you {1Thessalonians 5:21} from joining the world's most peaceloving group {Isaiah 2:2-4} because all those who failed to follow them WILL PERISH! Zechariah 8:23

Remember the young Jewish ruler?
Jesus said he must join his group otherwise the man will perish despite all his keeping of the laws right from his youth up! Luke 18-22-23

shadeyinka:
God has given us sound mind to tackle you Muslims with your lies and deceptions.

Tackling Islam is a low level job: common sense is enough to crash your pack of excuses

enilove:
I know there is God in my church who answers prayers. Why should I abandon that God and seek another or the same God in another church?
Why should I abandon certainty for uncertainty?

Also , the believe that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael shows your Christian group might not be doing the right things .
The same goes with the predictions of the end time which the Bible makes us to understand that no one knows , not even the Angels.

We evangelize in my church also. We have branches worldwide . I also evangelize .
Why do you think members of other churches will not go to heaven?

The Bible says , '' thou shall know the truth and truth shall set you free '' .
I know or have information about someone who was not Jehovah witness who made heaven.
His name was Gbenga Adeboye , a Yoruba comedian.

I have also read a message of someone who died and went to hell and said he or she found the founder of Jehovah witness in hell!

You can go to '' spiritlessons .com The message should be there.
See
I don't judge what I don't know neither do I gamble.

AntiChristian:
How do we use common sense to explain these? vs using the holy Spirit?
Deuteronomy 17:2-7
“If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death. On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Exodus 22:20
“He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the Lord alone, shall be utterly destroyed.

AntiChristian:
See the bolded. Keep what you think to yourself whether the holy spirit inspired the thought or the devil. We don't think to interprete our text. We look for other texts that explains them.

bobestman:
Pot calling kettle black. The one they gave to you as Jesus in the Bible, do you know who He is? The true Messiah was an African, if you doubt it and say it's Isreal, Isreal is NE Africa and non whether in Isreal or Africa bear such name. What is the meaning of JE and SUS? You can get the meaning of any Africa name but can you do same with jesus?

It's the name of the son of a pope enforced on you all, added in the Bible to hide the identity of the true Messiah. You all had been calling it since 2000yrs ago ignorant of what was done in secret by Masonic pastors and popes and wicked bible deformers. All your religions are in error not only Muslims.