Allah says:



Surah 19:71-72



Pickthall

There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.

Yusuf Ali

Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished. But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.

Hilali-Khan

There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished. Then We shall save those who use to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) therein (humbled) to their knees (in Hell).

Shakir

And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord. And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.

Sher Ali

And there is not one of you but will come to it. This is an absolute decree of thy Lord. And WE shall save the righteous, and shall leave the wrongdoers therein, on their knees.

Arberry

Not one of you there is, but he shall go down to it; that for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined. Then We shall deliver those that were godfearing; and the evildoers We shall leave there, hobbling on their knees.

Palmer

There is not one of you who will not go down to it,- that is settled and decided by thy Lord. Then we will save those who fear us; but we will leave the evildoers therein on their knees.

Rodwell

No one is there of you who shall not go down unto it - This is a settled decree with thy Lord - Then will we deliver those who had the fear of God, and the wicked will we leave in it on their knees.

Sale

There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same [hell]: [This] is an established decree upon thy Lord. Afterwards we will deliver those who shall have been pious, but we will leave the ungodly therein on their knees.


You can see how quranic translations look like. They are interpreting the same verse differently. Yet Muslims accuse the Bible of different versions. Bible versions say the same thing in different construction but the quranic translations are giving different meaning to the same verse.


Anyway, from their own Book, Muslims are told what will happen to them at death. It's a pity.

truthmans2012:
Allah says:



Surah 19:71-72



Pickthall

There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.

Yusuf Ali

Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished. But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.

Hilali-Khan

There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished. Then We shall save those who use to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) therein (humbled) to their knees (in Hell).

Shakir

And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord. And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.

Sher Ali

And there is not one of you but will come to it. This is an absolute decree of thy Lord. And WE shall save the righteous, and shall leave the wrongdoers therein, on their knees.

Arberry

Not one of you there is, but he shall go down to it; that for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined. Then We shall deliver those that were godfearing; and the evildoers We shall leave there, hobbling on their knees.

Palmer

There is not one of you who will not go down to it,- that is settled and decided by thy Lord. Then we will save those who fear us; but we will leave the evildoers therein on their knees.

Rodwell

No one is there of you who shall not go down unto it - This is a settled decree with thy Lord - Then will we deliver those who had the fear of God, and the wicked will we leave in it on their knees.

Sale

There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same [hell]: [This] is an established decree upon thy Lord. Afterwards we will deliver those who shall have been pious, but we will leave the ungodly therein on their knees.


You can see how quranic translations look like. They are interpreting the same verse differently. Yet Muslims accuse the Bible of different versions. Bible versions say the same thing in different construction but the quranic translations are giving different meaning to the same verse.


Anyway, from their own Book, Muslims are told what will happen to them at death. It's a pity.

What I see here is contradiction

adeoyekay:
What I see here is contradiction

The whole of the quran is Contradictions. Allah was just changing his word at will. He was even making Muhammad to forget some revelations.

Don't pity them, even muhammad before he was poisoned to dead told them that he's not something original that he don't know what will be done to them (muslims) after death

I pity all of una wey believe Jesus died for you!

Alhamdulillah for the insight!

AntiChristian:
I pity all of una wey believe Jesus died for you!

Alhamdulillah for the insight!

It is because you have no Saviour that is why your Allah said you Muslim will go to Hellfire as soon as you die.

Jesus said he was going to prepare a place for us, so that where He is there we will also be (John 14).

You will regret coming to this world when you find yourself in Hellfire.

truthmans2012:
The whole of the quran is Contradictions. Allah was just changing his word at will. He was even making Muhammad to forget some revelations.

Out of curiosity, why do you invest so much of your time and energy trying to understand and argue against a belief which you do not hold to or live by?

Na career e be for una? Do you get paid for doing this or something? Because this seems to be worth a lot to you folks who engage in these things, I wonder how much value you really gain for yourselves from these endeavors.

Righteousness2:
There is no separate place for muslim, Christian, Hindu, pagan, atheist or whatever.

What matters on that side is if you had a Genuie relationship with JESUS Christ.
What matters on that side is if you Believed and Surrender to JESUS Christ as your LORD and SAVIOR.
If you did, you enter Heaven!
If you didn't, you enter Hell Fire

The Bible never said anything about RELATIONSHIP with Christ, Jesus only had close relationship with people when he was in the flesh but as a spirit person Jesus only come when two or three persons are GATHERED in his name! Matthew 18:20

The only spirit we can have relationship with is the God who sent Jesus that's why Jesus instructed his disciples to pray directly to God in secret {Matthew 6:6} but as for Jesus it's only when you're with his disciples that Jesus deals with you not individually.

So always think of the assignment Jesus gave his disciples because that's the only business Jesus had with you!

truthmans2012:


It is because you have no Saviour that is why your Allah said you Muslim will go to Hellfire as soon as you die.

Jesus said he was going to prepare a place for us, so that where He is there we will also be (John 14).

You will regret coming to this world when you find yourself in Hellfire.

This is ignorance! The Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam has explained the verse already to us. So we believe in it. The sinners among the Muslims will be punished and the best in deeds will be saved.

The disbelievers will already be in hell.

Jesus already said it is not all who call him Lord Lord that will see the kingdom of God!

So you have a hell share as well.

Everyone one of us have a hell and heaven destination!

We don't need God to turn to human and come perform one blood ritual to save us! This is idolatry!

Kobojunkie:
Out of curiosity, why do you invest so much of your time and energy trying to understand and argue against a belief which you do not hold to or live by?

Na career e be for una? Do you get paid for doing this or something? Because this seems to be worth a lot to you folks who engage in these things, I wonder how much value you really gain for yourselves from these endeavors.

I am so much interested in the Devil who pretended to be God to deceive humanity, raising the Quran to oppose the Bible.

Do you know a man called Yusuf, the founder of ACADIP? He has no other job than to criticise the Bible. You guys didn't accuse him.

AntiChristian:


This is ignorance! The Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam has explained the verse already to us. So we believe in it. The sinners among the Muslims will be punished and the best in deeds will be saved.

The disbelievers will already be in hell.

Jesus already said it is not all who call him Lord Lord that will see the kingdom of God!

So you have a hell share as well.

Everyone one of us have a hell and heaven destination!

We don't need God to turn to human and come perform one blood ritual to save us! This is idolatry!

Explain what?

Go and learn more from here:

https://www.nairaland.com/3040753/what-islamic-scholars-said-hell

truthmans2012:
I am so much interested in the Devil who pretended to be God to deceive humanity, raising the Quran to oppose the Bible.

Do you know a man called Yusuf, the founder of ACADIP? He has no other job than to criticise the Bible. You guys didn't accuse him.

So, your desire is to become like this Yusuf? So do you profit from spending your time consumed by work which is meaningless to Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God ---- work He never asked anyone to do for His sake?

Why claim to belong to Jesus Christ but spend most all of their time focused on matters which mean absolutely nothing to Jesus Christ, ignoring the actual work expected of all those who claim to belong to Jesus Christ, work that is meant to determine your end?

truthmans2012:


Explain what?

Go and learn more from here:

https://www.nairaland.com/3040753/what-islamic-scholars-said-hell

Okay but the verse didn't say Muslims would experience that stage after death!

It's after resurrection when all disbelievers are already in hell!

You lied!

Kobojunkie:
So, your desire is to become like this Yusuf? So do you profit from spending your time consumed by work which is meaningless to Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God ---- work He never asked anyone to do for His sake?

Why claim to belong to Jesus Christ but spend most all of their time focused on matters which mean absolutely nothing to Jesus Christ, ignoring the actual work expected of all those who claim to belong to Jesus Christ, work that is meant to determine your end?

Meaningless to Jesus or what did you say?

Jesus said" you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. How do you know the truth if nobody says anything?

The spirit of Islam lives inside you, that is why you are pained.

What is your concern about my time?

I enjoy what am doing my friend.

AntiChristian:


Okay but the verse didn't say Muslims would experience that stage after death!

It's after resurrection when all disbelievers are already in hell!

You lied!

Keep deceiving yourself.

You cannot successfully twist what is clearly written. Your top Islamic scholars had explained it in details in the link I gave you above.

truthmans2012:
1. Meaningless to Jesus or what did you say?

Jesus said" you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. How do you know the truth if nobody says anything?

2. The spirit of Islam lives inside you, that is why you are pained. What is your concern about my time? I enjoy what am doing my friend.

1. According to Jesus Christ, the way to know the truth --- His teachings and commandments -‐- is through carefully living your life in continuous trust and obedience of the Truth, very verse which comes right before the one you quoted there from the passage of John 8 vs 31 - 36. Nothing in that entire context hints at what you claim, so are you certain that what you know is the Truth and not simply what someone else fed to you?

2. Spirit of Islam.? You religious folks are never short of Wauwu.... are you? So, you don't even see how you are no different from the Islamics you argue against as you both cling to religion of men?

truthmans2012:


Keep deceiving yourself.

You cannot successfully twist what is clearly written. Your top Islamic scholars had explained it in details in the link I gave you above.

Where did they say specifically "after death"?

AntiChristian:


Okay but the verse didn't say Muslims would experience that stage after death!

It's after resurrection when all disbelievers are already in hell!

You lied!

See again the correct interpretations by your early Islamic Scholar:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:

“They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire [/b]by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. [b]They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt…”

truthmans2012:


See again the correct interpretations by your early Islamic Scholar:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:

“They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire [/b]by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. [b]They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt…”

Where does this say "after death"?

AntiChristian:


Where does this say "after death"?

What a question. Are you going to hell alive?

I wonder how Muslims reason. Anyway, you must reason that way to be able to follow Allah.

Going to hell and coming out of it is deception. Once you get inside Hellfire there is no coming out. What qualifies you to go inside hell, will make you to remain there forever, as there is no repentance after death.

truthmans2012:


What a question. Are you going to hell alive?

I wonder how Muslims reason. Anyway, you must reason that way to be able to follow Allah.

I am telling you categorically that you lied! The title of your thread is What Muslim will experience at death

But what you stated is not what happens at death.

At death, the soul will remain after it departs the body, and it will ascend and descend, and it will be returned to the body, and the deceased will be questioned, then he will be subjected to bliss or punishment.

Seems you don't even know when it happens from your copy and paste!

Christian Liar!

AntiChristian:


I am telling you categorically that you lied! The title of your thread is What Muslim will experience at death

But what you stated is not what happens at death.

At death, the soul will remain after it departs the body, and it will ascend and descend, and it will be returned to the body, and the deceased will be questioned, then he will be subjected to bliss or punishment.

Seems you don't even know when it happens from your copy and paste!

Christian Liar!

What Muslims will experience at death means what will happen to them when they die BOTH quran and hadiths testify that they will go to hell and only on the Day of Resurrection some will be removed but they would have been burnt. Allah has commanded the fire not to burn their mark of prostration, by which Allah’s angel will identify them and remove them from the Fire. This means all Muslims will land in hell as soon as they die.

You need to pray so that the statements will be clear to you because they are so simple.

truthmans2012:


What Muslims will experience at death means what will happen to them when they die BOTH quran and hadiths testify that they will go to hell and only on the Day of Resurrection some will be removed but they would have been burnt. Allah has commanded the fire not to burn their mark of prostration, by which Allah’s angel will identify them and remove them from the Fire. This means all Muslims will land in hell as soon as they die.

You need to pray so that the statements will be clear to you because they are so simple.

You'll use more lies to cover your initial lie till I Post the long Hadith on what happens at death!

You simply lied!

This is not what Muslims experience at death!

AntiChristian:


You'll use more lies to cover your initial lie till I Post the long Hadith on what happens at death!

You simply lied!

This is not what Muslims experience at death!

Post the Hadith and let people see it.

If you doctor it, I will post it by myself.

truthmans2012:


Post the Hadith and let people see it.

If you doctor it, I will post it by myself.

I am not a doctor like you!
As against the lies you put up in your thread, here's what Muslims and non-muslims experience at death! It's a long Hadith.

Imam Ahmad (17803) narrated that al-Bara ibn ‘Azib (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

“Verily, when the believing slave is about to depart this world and enter the Hereafter, there come down to him angels from heaven with white faces, as if their faces are the sun. They bring with them one of the shrouds of Paradise and some of the perfume of Paradise. They sit with him as far as the eye can see. Then the Angel of Death (peace be upon him) comes to him and sits by his head and says, ‘O pure soul, come out to the forgiveness and pleasure of Allah.’ Then his soul comes flowing out like a drop of water flowing from a cup. Then he takes the soul, and no sooner does he seize it but they take it and place it in that shroud and perfume. Then out of it comes the most excellent fragrance of musk to be found on the face of the earth. Then they ascend with it and they do not pass by any group of angels but the angels ask, ‘Who is this pure soul?’ and they reply, ‘It is So and So the son of So and So’ – using the best names by which he was known on earth. Then they bring it to the lowest heaven, and ask for it to be opened, and it is opened for him. Those who are of high rank in each heaven accompany it until they approach the next heaven, and so it goes until it reaches the seventh heaven. Then Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘Record the book of My slave in ‘Illiyyun (the highest heaven) and take him back to the earth, for I created them from it, and I shall return them to it, then I shall take them out from it again.’ Then his soul is returned to his body and two angels come and make him sit up”

Then the hadith mentions the questioning in the grave , then it mentions how the soul of the disbeliever is taken, then it says:

“Then they ascend with it and they do not pass by any group of angels but the angels ask, ‘Who is this evil soul?’ and they reply, ‘It is So and So the son of So and So’ – using the worst names by which he was known on earth. Then they bring it to the lowest heaven, and ask for it to be opened, and it is not opened for him.” Then the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) recited (interpretation of the meaning): “… For them the gates of heaven will not be opened, and they will not enter Paradise until the camel goes through the eye of the needle” [al-A’raf 7:40]. Then he said, “Then Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘Record the book of My slave in Sijjin (the lowest Hell) in the lowest earth. Then his soul is cast down.” Then he recited (interpretation of the meaning): “… and whoever assigns partners to Allah, it is as if he had fallen from the sky, and the birds had snatched him, or the wind had thrown him to a far off place.” [al-Hajj 22:31]. He said, “Then his soul is returned to his body and two angels come and make him sit up” Then it mentions the questioning in the grave .” (Classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Jami‘, 1676)

In Islam, Allah was never consistent so that his slaves do not know where they belong. It is the character of the Devil.


Sahih Muslim Book 1, Hadith Number 349.

SAHIH MUSLIM BOOK 1. FAITH

Chapter : The way in which the believers would see the Lord.

Abu Haraira reported: The people said to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him): Messenger of Allah, shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do you feel any trouble in seeing the moon on the night when it is full? They said: Messenger of Allah, no. He (the Messenger) further said: Do you feel any trouble in seeing the sun, when there is no cloud over it? They said: Messenger of Allah. no. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Verily you would see Him like this (as you see the sun and the moon). God will gather people on the Day of Resurrection and say: Let every people follow what they worshipped. Those who worshipped the sun would follow the sun, and those who worshipped the moon would follow the moon, and those who worshipped the devils would follow the devils. This Ummah (of Islam) alone would be left behind and there would be hypocrites too amongst it. Allah would then come to them in a form other than His own Form, recognisable to them, and would say: I am your Lord. They would say: We take refuge with Allah from thee. We will stay here till our Lord comes to us. and when our Lord would come we would recognise Him. Subsequently Allah would come to them in His own Form, recognisable to them, and say: I am your Lord. They would say: Thou art our Lord. And they would follow Him, and a bridge would be set over the Hell; and I (the Holy Prophet) and my Ummah would be the first to pass over it; and none but the messengers would speak on that day, and the prayer of the messengers on that day would be: O Allah ! grant safety, grant safety. In Hell, there would be long spits like the thorns of Sa’dan He (the Holy Prophet) said: Have you seen Sa’dan? They replied: Yea, Messenger of Allah. He said: Verily those (hooks) would be like the thorns of Sa’dan, but no one knows their size except Allah. These would seize people for their misdeeds. Some of them would escape for their (good) deeds, and some would be rewarded for their deeds till they get salvation. [b]When Allah would finish judging His bondsmen and because of His mercy decide to take out of Hell such people as He pleases. He would command the angels to bring out those who had not associated anything with Allah; to whom Allah decided to show mercy. those who would say: There is no god but Allah. They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt.. [/b]and the water of life would be poured over them, and they will sprout as seed does In the silt carried by flood. Then Allah would finish judging amongst His bondsmen; but a man who will be the last to enter Paradise will remain facing Hell and will say: O my Lord I turn my face away from Hell, for its air has poisoned me and its blaze has burnt me. He will then call to Allah as long as Allah would wish that he should call to Him. Then Allah, Blessed and Exalted, would say: If I did that, perhaps you would ask for more than that. He would say: I would not ask You more than this, and he would give his Lord covenants and agreements as Allah wished, and so He would turn his face away from the Fire When he turns towards the Paradise and sees it, he will remain silent as long as Allah wishes him to remain so. He will then say: O my Lord I bring me forward to the gate of the Paradise. Allah would say to him: Did you not give covenants and agreements that you would not ask for anything besides what I had given you. Woe to thee ! O son of Adam, how treacherous you are ! He would say: O my Lord ! and would continue calling to Allah till He. would say to him: If I grant you that, perhaps you will ask for more. He will reply: No, by Thy greatness, and he will give His Lord promises and covenants as Allah had wished He would then bring him to the gate of the Paradise, and when he would stand at the gate of the Paradise, it would lay open before him and he would see the bounty and the joy that there is in it. He would remain quiet as long as Allah would desire him to remain silent. He would then say: O my Lord, admit me to Paradise. Allah. Blessed and Exalted, would say: Did you not give covenants and agreements that you would not ask for anything more than what I had granted you? Woe to you ! son of Adam, how treacherous you are! And he would say: O my Lord, I do not wish to be the most miserable of Thy creatures. He would continue calling upon Allah till Allah. Blessed and Exalted would laugh. When Allah would laugh at him. He would say: Enter the Paradise. When he would enter, Allah would say: State your wish. He would express his wishes till Allah would remind him (the desire of) such and such (things). When his desires would be exhausted Allah would say: That is for thee and, besides it, the like of it also. ‘Ata’ b. Yazid said: Abu Sa’id al-Khudri was with Abu Huraira and be did not reject anything from the hadith narrated by him, but when Abu Huraira narrated: “Allah said to that man; and its like along with it,” Abu Sa’id said: “Ten like it along with it,” O Abu Huraira. Abu Huraira said: I do not remember except the words: “That is for you and a similar one along with it.” Abu Sa’id said: I bear witness to the fact that I remembered from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) his words: “That is for thee and ten like it.” Abu Huraira said: That man was the last of those deserving of Paradise to enter Paradise.

Extract from the above Hadith:

When Allah would finish judging His bondsmen and because of His mercy decide to take out of Hell such people as He pleases. He would command the angels to bring out those who had not associated anything with Allah; to whom Allah decided to show mercy. those who would say: There is no god but Allah. They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt..

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I think I'm at fault for responding to a dunce and a recalcitrant Liar!

The title of your thread states what Muslims will experience at death.

Then you started covering your lies with more lies thinking you're deceiving me!

May you perish with your lie!

AntiChristian:
I think I'm at fault for responding to a dunce and a recalcitrant Liar!

The title of your thread states what Muslims will experience at death.

Then you started covering your lies with more lies thinking you're deceiving me!

May you perish with your lie!

If what I said is a lie, it means the Qur'an and Hadith that I quoted is a lie.