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DappaD:
Children are a special present from God(Psalm 127:3) so when a child is born, the parents rejoice just as they would when receiving gifts.

But like has been said, there is no Scriptural backup you can give in support of your birthday celebrations instead it’s using unrelated points so that it could be that you gave a word out.



The highlighted is where because the line is drawn because it is tied with false worship(Genesis 40:20-22) and there is absolutely nothing natural about continuously celebrating the day one is born after his birth. In fact, regarding the anguish and suffering humans go through(Romans 5:12), it is rightly expected that one curses the day he was born and not rejoice over it(Job 3:1) so again, there is nothing natural about celebrating one’s birth.

No one celebrates the day he was born, rather people thank God that day for making it possible for them to see one year added to their life.
Of course a year in a mans life automatically starts from the day he was born.

It's OK now!
I can see that you know and understand the Bible you just feel like asking questions on Birthday!

blueAgent:
See propaganda. You are getting worst every day. You need to check you ego. Simply accept what you do not know, even when you see the truth you and your Church would not. No where did God say he will write principles in our hearts.
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my LAWS into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; You do not know or understand language better than God. God said law stop twisting God's word. The consequence is grievous.

You are not confused yet you're coming on social media to ask if you can celebrate your birthday shey?
Quantinu!

blueAgent:
You are more confused than I thought.
So Jesus came to give a different law from that God gave the Israelites.
The same Jesus that said he has not come to destroy the law and prophets.
Was the New covenant without a law or not?

MaxInDHouse:
You are not confused yet you're coming on social media to ask if you can celebrate your birthday shey?
Quantinu!

I never asked,I was 100% sure just named the thread that

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK now!
I can see that you know and understand the Bible you just feel like asking questions on Birthday!

Answer the question,

OK you just want other people's support for your birthday addiction shey?

blueAgent:
I never asked,I was 100% sure just named the thread that

What's your question jare!

blueAgent:
Answer the question,

blueAgent:
No one celebrates the day he was born, rather people thank God that day for making it possible for them to see one year added to their life.
Of course a year in a mans life automatically starts from the day he was born.

However you want to put it, it is not supported by Scripture and was practiced by die-hard pagans. Genesis 40:20-22, Mark 6:21-29

I believe Barristter07 and Janosky have done justice to this subject already—explaining from the Scriptures and accurate historical records that the celebration does not originate with pure worship and hence does not please God so I need not bother myself explaining more.
The way you replied to me, is sort of sending the message that you need a “go-ahead” or an approval from the Witnesses? Okay so if they don’t agree with you, kasala don burst be that? Mark 7:5

Pharisees who often invite Jesus aren't interested in knowing the truth, it's either to get his approval on their man-made tradition or make him say something that will turn the people against him!
So blueAgent is boiling inside with all scriptural points presented by JWs proving that Birthday celebration is unbiblical!

DappaD:
However you want to put it, it is not supported by Scripture and was practiced by die-hard pagans. Genesis 40:20-22, Mark 6:21-29
I believe Barristter07 and Janosky have done justice to this subject already—explaining from the Scriptures and accurate historical records that the celebration does not originate with pure worship and hence does not please God so I need not bother myself explaining more.
The way you replied to me, is sort of sending the message that you need a “go-ahead” or an approval from the Witnesses? Okay so if they don’t agree with you, kasala don burst be that? Mark 7:5

DappaD:
Please go over my post as carefully as you can and show me where I ever said such a thing.

It's ok by me if you don't understand that that is what you mean by the statement below:
[/b]"...Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13..…[b]

DappaD:
Children are a special present from God(Psalm 127:3) so when a child is born, the parents rejoice just as they would when receiving gifts.
But like has been said, there is no Scriptural backup you can give in support of your birthday celebrations instead it’s using unrelated points so that it could be that you gave a word out.
The highlighted is where because the line is drawn because it is tied with false worship(Genesis 40:20-22) and there is absolutely nothing natural about continuously celebrating the day one is born after his birth. In fact, regarding the anguish and suffering humans go through(Romans 5:12), it is rightly expected that one curses the day he was born and not rejoice over it(Job 3:1) so again, there is nothing natural about celebrating one’s birth.

[/b]"...there is absolutely nothing natural [b] about continuously celebrating the day one is born after his birth. In fact, regarding the anguish and..."

A. You showed up here and posted that people are supporting practices that has no scriptural backup;

I then posted that if it is because "it does not have scriptural backup" ( i.e according to your organization ), then your organization is full of practices that have no scriptural backup:

1. Dancing during weddings
2. Painting and perming.

B. You posted that Christmas celebration is associated with false worship.

I posted that if that is the case, your organization should not have been building halls. Because it was started by pagans or associated with false worship ( in your words).1 Chronicles 10: 10; 2 Samuel 7:1-6.

You now posted that "it is natural" to dance during weddings but unnatural to dance during birthday. You have left the idea of scriptural to natural.

Confess your sins to Jesus now and come out of the organization....
Haughtiness is very bad. Humbly apologize for false accusations.

blueAgent:
No one celebrates the day he was born, rather people thank God that day for making it possible for them to see one year added to their life.
Of course a year in a mans life automatically starts from the day he was born.

To me be happy, rejoicing with friends for additional, unmerited year added to one's years remains the greatest celebration after our redemption.

DappaD:
However you want to put it, it is not supported by Scripture and was practiced by die-hard pagans. Genesis 40:20-22, Mark 6:21-29

I believe Barristter07 and Janosky have done justice to this subject already—explaining from the Scriptures and accurate historical records that the celebration does not originate with pure worship and hence does not please God so I need not bother myself explaining more.
The way you replied to me, is sort of sending the message that you need a “go-ahead” or an approval from the Witnesses? Okay so if they don’t agree with you, kasala don burst be that? Mark 7:5

[/b]
"...hence does not please God...."[b]

Please can you show where He said that He is not pleased with birthday celebration?

achorladey:
You mean every BIRTHDAYS there is, was created by pharaohs and for pharaohs?

Exactly.

achorladey:
You can see how he used Job 3:1 to show how Job cursed his day of his birth naturally

In otherwords his day used there means day of birth.

He even said it in a way that shows it is a principle to follow by others. Lol

KNOWMORE56:

It's ok by me if you don't understand that that is what you mean by the statement below:
[/b]"...Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13..…[b]

KNOWMORE56:

[/b]"...there is absolutely nothing natural [b] about continuously celebrating the day one is born after his birth. In fact, regarding the anguish and..."
A. You showed up here and posted that people are supporting practices that has no scriptural backup;
I then posted that if it is because "it does not have scriptural backup" ( i.e according to your organization ), then your organization is full of practices that have no scriptural backup:
1. Dancing during weddings
2. Painting and perming.
B. You posted that Christmas celebration is associated with false worship.
I posted that if that is the case, your organization should not have been building halls. Because it was started by pagans or associated with false worship ( in your words).1 Chronicles 10: 10; 2 Samuel 7:1-6.
You now posted that "it is natural" to dance during weddings but unnatural to dance during birthday. You have left the idea of scriptural to natural.
Confess your sins to Jesus now and come out of the organization....
Haughtiness is very bad. Humbly apologize for false accusations.

So you cannot prove that birthdays are NOT associated with false worship? For the fact alone that you’re making unnecessary comparisons here and there means you already know it has no Scriptural support so by force by fire you must find a connection between the things that happen naturally to ALL humans and already established pagan celebrations? Again, please quote me ONLY when you have SOLID points else I’ll ignore. I’m not dealing with slow people today.

MaxInDHouse:
All you need to do is thorough meditation whenever you see, hear or read any article. This will help you to distinguish between the righteousness of God and that of humans. Romans 10:2-3
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization started long ago when God called Moses to go and free the Israelites from Egypt. After their release from slavery then God gave them His commandments, it's this commandments that stood ever since then as a barrier between God's ORGANIZED people and all other races! Exodus 19:5
The covenant God made with that nation becomes the yardstick of measurement for God's righteousness, whoever wants to become God's friend only need to learn the righteousness of God from His ORGANIZED people.
That's why Pagans like Rahab, Ruth, Uriah and so many others left their own people to become God's friends as they humbly join God's people and live their lives in harmony with the requirements their own people never knew. Deuteronomy 31:12
The chord of continuity was broken when Satan killed all the Apostles of Jesus who were like the foundation stones {Revelations 21:14} of the new covenant God promised to establish with His people {Jeremiah 31:31-34} after their dead or let's say "while they were sleeping" {Matthew 13:25} Satan initiated his own agents and empowered them politically to overshadow God's organization, that's how so many pagan customs like Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, New Year and so many others became the practices that was difficult for many to blot out during the dark ages.
But when Jesus returned in 1914 he acted like Cyrus of Persia to release God's people from spiritual bondage and just like Ezra and Nehemiah Jesus began teaching them the HERITAGE of their ancestors that they never knew. That's why Bible Students like Russell, Rutherford and others were practicing those pagan customs until they began to realise that these practices are not in line with the HERITAGE they want to imbibe.
So the ORGANIZATION had to let go of all there pagan customs. But who could have help them know all these sacred secrets if not Jesus who returned as a mighty spirit being to start correcting the errors of his imperfect but faithful, loyal and obedient followers?
That's why God's word referred to all those that will survive the great tribulation as an ORGANIZED PEOPLE who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb! {Revelations 7:14} did you know why Apostle John said "i don't know them"
Well it's because these ones never knew the HERITAGE of God's people but after they began taking in orders from the mighty spirit being (Jesus) they were also able to meet up with God's requirements!
That is why God sanctified them and bought them in with the value of the blood of Jesus so that their robes has become white as wool in the sight of God {Isaiah 1:18} please listen to JEHOVAH'S utterance regarding them:
This is the HERITAGE of the servants of JEHOVAH and their righteousness is from me says JEHOVAH!
So even if people like you stubbornly blinded your hearts to the light that's guiding them in the path of righteousness {Psalms 23:3} people like me will come from the East, from the West, from the North and from the South saying to this Organized people: "we will go with you people because we have heard that God is with you people" Zechariah 8:2
May you have PEACE!

In this your long epistle, no scripture is presented to show us that wedding day dancing is not associated with false worship while birthday celebration does;

Building halls did not with false worship but Christmas celebration did.

KNOWMORE56:
[/b]
"...hence does not please God...."[b]
Please can you show where He said that He is not pleased with birthday celebration?

The earlier Christians already had guidelines to follow based on principles found at 1Corinthians 10:20-22 and several others.

“During the Christian era, the early followers of Christ didn’t believe in celebrating
birthdays, preferring—as was the case in earlier eras—of honoring one’s death. Their belief
was that only in death was there true deliverance worthy of honoring one’s ‘death day’ [a reference to Ecclesiastes 7:1, where Solomon asserts that the day of one’s death is better
than the day of one’s birth]. They also believed that Egyptian and Greek birthday
celebrations were pagan festivals and should not be duplicated”— (“The Strange Origins of Our Modern Birthday Customs,” August 13, 2008).


Even a well respected historical writer who was a Jew in the first century attested to birthdays being a pagan custom:

“Nay, indeed, the law does not permit us to make festivals at the birth of our children, and
thereby afford occasion of drinking to excess.”—(Josephus. Against Apion, Book II, Chapter 26)

KNOWMORE56:
Confess your sins to Jesus now.

Okay go and tell the followers of Jesus who saw him live and direct to confess their sins to their master for believing the above?

DappaD:
So you cannot prove that birthdays are NOT associated with false worship? For the fact alone that you’re making unnecessary comparisons here and there means you already know it has no Scriptural support so by force by fire you must find a connection between the things that happen naturally to ALL humans and already established pagan celebrations? Again, please quote me ONLY when you have SOLID points else I’ll ignore. I’m not dealing with slow people today.

Ecclesiastes 3 :1-6 is there for you to read.

My point is, positive happenings and negative happenings are mentioned in the chapter. If you separate them, birthday/ the day to be born will surely be with dancing, rejoicing.

What I'm saying is birthday in the chapter worth a happening that should command dancing, celebration, rejoicing.

I have also told you that the the wedding day dancing that you are so fascinated with does not appear there.

Moreover, you are a Watch tower devotee, watch tower devotees don't believe the scripture but their 8 men.

Christians are very funny. If we are debating on a topic now and I refuse to drop scripture to support my points they will never agree with me. So I ask, drop scriptures to support the birthday issue? You can only get one in Old testament and another in New testament but it was celebrated by pagans and during it they lift people's head (cut off their heads/hang/kill). When things don't go well or unscriptural, your pastors modify it by adding things to make sweet or look good to people .

Thank God this is the internet where articles like this could be read, shared and copied for future reference.
So leave the epistle Sir, it's meant for those having inner ear! Matthew 13:15 compare to Psalms 115:6

KNOWMORE56:
In this your long epistle, no scripture is presented to show us that wedding day dancing is not associated with false worship while birthday celebration does.
Building halls did not with false worship but Christmas celebration did.

KNOWMORE56:
Ecclesiastes 3 :1-6 is there for you to read.
My point is, positive happenings and negative happenings are mentioned in the chapter. If you separate them, birthday/ the day to be born will surely be with dancing, rejoicing.
What I'm saying is birthday in the chapter worth a happening that should command dancing, celebration, rejoicing.
I have also told you that the the wedding day dancing that you are so fascinated with does not appear there.
Moreover, you are a Watch tower devotee, watch tower devotees don't believe the scripture but their 8 men.

That’s why I brought up the below which you ignored? Do you think the below was not a happy occasion—a moment to rejoice for those Israelites?

DappaD:
Perhaps you should take a cue from the Israelites who engaged in calf worship(idolatry) and still termed it “a festival to Jehovah”(Exodus 32:5) and even “sat down to eat and drink”(Exodus 32:6) but was God pleased? Did this celebration glorify his name seeing that the practice originated with false worship?
Exodus 32:10

Why did the Jews and Christians think it was such a horrendous practice?

“During the Christian era, the early followers of Christ didn’t believe in celebrating
birthdays, preferring—as was the case in earlier eras—of honoring one’s death. Their belief
was that only in death was there true deliverance worthy of honoring one’s ‘death day’ [a reference to Ecclesiastes 7:1, where Solomon asserts that the day of one’s death is better
than the day of one’s birth]. They also believed that Egyptian and Greek birthday
celebrations were pagan festivals and should not be duplicated”—(“The Strange Origins of Our Modern Birthday Customs,” August 13, 2008).

DappaD:
The earlier Christians already had guidelines to follow based on principles found at 1Corinthians 10:20-22 and several others.

“During the Christian era, the early followers of Christ didn’t believe in celebrating
birthdays, preferring—as was the case in earlier eras—of honoring one’s death. Their belief
was that only in death was there true deliverance worthy of honoring one’s ‘death day’ [a reference to Ecclesiastes 7:1, where Solomon asserts that the day of one’s death is better
than the day of one’s birth]. They also believed that Egyptian and Greek birthday
celebrations were pagan festivals and should not be duplicated”— (“The Strange Origins of Our Modern Birthday Customs,” August 13, 2008).
Even a well respected historical writer who was a Jew in the first century attested to birthdays being a pagan custom:
“Nay, indeed, the law does not permit us to make festivals at the birth of our children, and
thereby afford occasion of drinking to excess.”—(Josephus. Against Apion, Book II, Chapter 26)
Okay go and tell the followers of Jesus who saw him live and direct to confessed their sins to their master for believing the above?

You are now using respected historian in place of the scriptures: I don't believe them. I only know that pagans have the duplicate of ALL the practices.

KNOWMORE56:
Ecclesiastes 3 :1-6 is there for you to read.
My point is, positive happenings and negative happenings are mentioned in the chapter. If you separate them, birthday/ the day to be born will surely be with dancing, rejoicing.
What I'm saying is birthday in the chapter worth a happening that should command dancing, celebration, rejoicing.
I have also told you that the the wedding day dancing that you are so fascinated with does not appear there.
Moreover, you are a Watch tower devotee, watch tower devotees don't believe the scripture but their 8 men.

Perhaps this commentator below is also a Watchtower devotee!

bobestman :
Christians are very funny. If we are debating on a topic now and I refuse to drop scripture to support my points they will never agree with me. So I ask, drop scriptures to support the birthday issue? You can only get one in Old testament and another in New testament but it was celebrated by pagans and during it they lift people's head (cut off their heads/hang/kill). When things don't go well or unscriptural, your pastors modify it by adding things to make sweet or look good to people.

KNOWMORE56:

You are now using respected historian in place of the scriptures: I don't believe them. I only know that pagans have the duplicate of ALL the practices.

When the Witnesses used Genesis 40:20-22 & Mark 6:21-29, did you listen then?
Many Jewish historians gave credence to the events that occurred during Jesus’ day and during the Acts of the Apostles showing that the Bible is truly inspired by God(2Timothy 3:16) and agreeable with secular history. Romans 15:4
So it is either the first century Christians were wrong for believing birthdays were a pagan practice or it is you who should do some reevaluation.

DappaD:
That’s why I brought up the below which you ignored? Do you think the below was not a happy occasion—a moment to rejoice for those Israelites?



Why did the Jews and Christians think it was such a horrendous practice?

“During the Christian era, the early followers of Christ didn’t believe in celebrating
birthdays, preferring—as was the case in earlier eras—of honoring one’s death. Their belief
was that only in death was there true deliverance worthy of honoring one’s ‘death day’ [a reference to Ecclesiastes 7:1, where Solomon asserts that the day of one’s death is better
than the day of one’s birth]. They also believed that Egyptian and Greek birthday
celebrations were pagan festivals and should not be duplicated”—(“The Strange Origins of Our Modern Birthday Customs,” August 13, 2008).

You cannot provide any scripture where God commanded dancing during weddings just as you cannot see it for birthday celebration.
If the above is not true then prove it wrong.

The scriptures is full of commandment against erecting any thing ( not just calf) and call it god;

and you are asking me to tell you why God was not happy with them?

Again, before they entered the Promised Land, God told them ALL the things that the people of the land were practicing that He hates.

But birthday celebration was not mentioned.

True or false, DappaD?

Since He did not mention birthday celebration, it's either it didn't exist or He did not see anything wrong with it.

Jesus, my Lord and God, did not say anything about it.

Watch tower is digging histories written down by unbelievers as concrete facts that God is not pleased with birthday celebration!

bobestman:
Christians are very funny. If we are debating on a topic now and I refuse to drop scripture to support my points they will never agree with me. So I ask, drop scriptures to support the birthday issue? You can only get one in Old testament and another in New testament but it was celebrated by pagans and during it they lift people's head (cut off their heads/hang/kill). When things don't go well or unscriptural, your pastors modify it by adding things to make sweet or look good to people .

The following some of the things God has not said do or don't do. People choose them as they are pleased. And nobody should accuse another one of idolatry:

1. Piercing of the ears by men/ women
2. Wedding cake, dance,etc
3. Birthday celebration/ Christmas
4. Decorations of graves of loved ones and so on.

KNOWMORE56:

You cannot provide any scripture where God commanded dancing during weddings just as you cannot see it for birthday celebration.
If the above is not true then prove it wrong.

You want to make your own rules and use them as a standard to judge who? Me?
The first thing you should ask is, when did God ever institute a wedding ceremony? If he did not, then why did Jesus attend a wedding ceremony? John 2:1
Are you telling me that Jesus and his disciples were not aware of Herod’s birthday party? Matthew 14:6
So why weren’t they in attendance seeing that they regularly attended get-togethers? Mark 14:3, Luke 5:29

The scriptures is full of commandment against erecting any thing ( not just calf) and call it god;
and you are asking me to tell you why God was not happy with them?
Again, before they entered the Promised Land, God told them ALL the things that the people of the land were practicing that He hates.
But birthday celebration was not mentioned.
True or false, DappaD?

Leviticus 18:3a
“You must not behave as they do in the land of Egypt”
All the practices the Egyptians engaged in, the Israelites were NOT to imitate including birthdays. Genesis 40:20-22

Since He did not mention birthday celebration, it's either it didn't exist or He did not see anything wrong with it.
Jesus, my Lord and God, did not say anything about it.
Watch tower is digging histories written down by unbelievers as concrete facts that God is not pleased with birthday celebration!

No problem. It was those 8 men in New York who put Genesis 40:20-22 and Mark 6:21-29 in your Bible.

KNOWMORE56:
The following some of the things God has not said do or don't do. People choose them as they are pleased. And nobody should accuse another one of idolatry:
1. Piercing of the ears by men/ women
2. Wedding cake, dance,etc
3. Birthday celebration/ Christmas
4. Decorations of graves of loved ones and so on.

HERITAGE stronger than BLIND ARGUMENTS:

bobestman:
You can only get one in Old testament and another in New testament but it was celebrated by pagans and during it they lift people's head (cut off their heads/hang/kill).

KNOWMORE56:
The following some of the things God has not said do or don't do. People choose them as they are pleased. And nobody should accuse another one of idolatry:

1. Piercing of the ears by men/ women
2. Wedding cake, dance,etc
3. Birthday celebration/ Christmas
4. Decorations of graves of loved ones and so on.

No verse to support it and as usual you have came up with stories. But if ppl tell you things not written in the book against your doctrines, you will never agree even if they have facts. People always have things to pick in the Bible to support their points, good or bad. You ppl also believe in the Messiah or whatever you call him, He taught ppl a lot of things and one of them is prayer. He always pray secretly(alone) and when he taught about it, He said it should be done in your homes with doors shut cos the Ancient of days is spirit(secret) and that is the best way to worship him. But today your pastors will gather you all inside one building and tell you guys to shout to Him as if He can't hear you. They will even use microphone and put loudspeaker outside disturbing the peace of ppl and when this ppl report to the appropriate authorities and they lock up your churches, you guys will call them Antichrists and say they are hindering the work of your God. The creator of heaven and earth is not the author of confusion and your ignorances as seen in your Churches.

KNOWMORE56:
He even said it in a way that shows it is a principle to follow by others. Lol

You too see am like that. Na serious laughter

Wetin this guy swallow nah?

Walahi talahi i just dey gbadun him comments!

bobestman:
No verse to support it and as usual you have came up with stories. But if ppl tell you things not written in the book against your doctrines, you will never agree even if they have facts. People always have things to pick in the Bible to support their points, good or bad. You ppl also believe in the Messiah or whatever you call him, He taught ppl a lot of things and one of them is prayer. He always pray secretly(alone) and when he taught about it, He said it should be done in your homes with doors shut cos the Ancient of days is spirit(secret) and that is the best way to worship him. But today your pastors will gather you all inside one building and tell you guys to shout to Him as if He can't hear you. They will even use microphone and put loudspeaker outside disturbing the peace of ppl and when this ppl report to the appropriate authorities and they lock up your churches, you guys will call them Antichrists and say they are hindering the work of your God. The creator of heaven and earth is not the author of confusion and your ignorances as seen in your Churches.