TAO11:
When did I claim to have been the one who called it a forgery? No, I never did. Historians did.

Are you that deluded to call that horse’s mouth when the topic is clearly about Oduduwa’s history??

This is NOT Ogiamien’s history oo, in case you are about confused. This is Oduduwa’s history. Hehe!

Your delusion is certainly an everlastingly strong one.

Yes his words are final for his Edo slaves.

Swear that you are not a slave of the Oba of Benin.

I know.

Anyone can claim that the clouds are made up of cotton wool provided such claim helps them sleep at night.

However, they can’t insist that such is a scientific fact.

Scientists would have to step in at that point and put such claim in its sewage place.

In a similar vein, historians have stepped in to cure your delusion and declared the 1970s Izoduwa forgery as an interesting nonsense.

In other words, you may believe it if you choose to be dumb, but calling it history is what historians have gone against.

But this is not exclusively a history of Edo.

This is a Yoruba history which intersects with the Edo’s.

As such, you can’t say trash on such intersected history and expect the other concerned ethnic group to fold their arms and watch you go looney. No, it’s not done.

No! Yorubas have called you out on the forgery. Your own early history has called you out on the forgery.

More importantly, historians have called you out on the forefeet. Why not choose sanity over delusions?

Stroy tellers are precisely what you are regarding the failure of a 1970s forgery called Izoduwa (Omonoyan, Idoduwa, Imadoduwa, etc.)

Cc: Juliusmalema, Gbajure

Fezz:
[s]Your sarcasm makes it difficult to understand your posts. Try to tone it down a bit, because it makes your posts boring. Sincerely, I hardly go through the full length of your comments because it's just boring everything. Word of advice, always go straight to your points and stop using sarcasm to derail your readers. It's just so boring and you are killing all the fun. Sad! [/s]

TAO11:
Answer:

A “retinue of aides” followed him from Ile-Ife to Benin.

Says who?

Well, says the generally attested early received account of Benin history collected from the royal court historians of Omonoba Akenzua-2.

Cc: joefelin2345

Fezz:
Well.. says the guy that I responded to, claiming that the entire Benin people are yoruba. •••

TAO11:
People are allowed to be wrong (in peace) — a concept evidently alien to Benin people.

IF that specifically is what he said, then he is wrong on that. The Binis generally are NOT Yorubas.

However, the present-day ruling house of Benin is of the Ife-Yoruba uninterrupted paternal genealogical line — as well as a couple of other Bini families here and there.

Cc: joefelin2345

TAO11:
You are an irredeemable dullard. Point out where I had noted that the story of Ekalderhan is a new one.

What I (and of course historians) called a forgery is the Izoduwa fiction/version which surfaced in the 1970s.

And NO where does the earlier story of Ekaladerhan say he is one and the same person as Oranmiyan/Oduduwa?

And NO where does it say he fled to Ife, or he ever went near Ife. Rather, the story contained clear indications that he lived all his life in his kingdom of Ughoton.

In FACT, this particular earlier story (highlighted partially in your screenshot) is one of the reasons why historians reached the conclusion that the latter 1970s version is a latter-day forgery.

Read up ONE book.

Cc: Juliusmalema
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PS: Ling Roth didn’t write any book in 1854. Neither was he the author of the 1880s note I talked about in the shot below.

All these Edo blogs (from where you retrieved your screenshot) just cook up Nollywood script for you all, and you all dumbly swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Edo blogs are the very reasons why I find it very, very easy to disgrace Benin reta.rds everyday on Nairaland.

My comment on this topic from days ago is attached in the screenshots below to show you I’m well aware of an early authentic story of Ekaladerhan which debunks the forged one from the 1970s.

KingOKON:
[s]Bobrisky hw far? So, if the says he is of Oranmiyan which means you believe Oranmiyan is no fiction, don't you?[/s]

Fezz:
[s]You are probably not aware of this but I urge you to go and make your own research. Olotun was one of the people that followed izoduwa from Ughoton to ile-ife and he was told to follow oranmiyan back to Ubini which he did. Till today the Olotun family (royal chief) in Benin link their ancestry home to Ughoton and they are a living witness to the izoduwa movement from ughoton to Ife. Do your research and stop playing around on Nairaland[/s]

TAO11:
You’re a dullard!

Their ancestral homeland has being called Ode-Itsekiri for centuries (or more correctly millleniums) prior to their acceptance of Iginuwa because he is of the some Yoruba root as them.

What does Itsekiri mean in Edo language? Nothing!

On the contrary, it is a Yoruba word with an everyday meaning till today.

Cc: ogbonti

Fezz:
[s]The land was actually named Iwerre by the benins later corrupted to "warri" and the king was known as Ogiamie (king of waters). In recent times the king is called Olu and it is derived from Olua which was derived from his father's name. Ginuwa died at ijilla (in warri) when they were still wondering before finally reaching today's ode itsekiri. son known as Ijijen named the land Itsekiri. As you can see, Benin is written all over itsekiri despite the fact that majority of them speak yorabanoid language mixed with a bit of edoid and Portuguese[/s]

ogbonti:




what do you know about the Warri Kingdom?

The name "OGIAME" that every Olu of Warri is called is not a yoruba name- It is a Bini name - do you know that?

dreu2fine:
how come the name ogiame was given

TAO11:
The links below are where you should be at the moment. Oya, alale!

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666

KingOKON:
[s]Our chitchat is just startin, we were testing the mic all this while now is the time bring all myths, folklores, hearsays, fallacies into the arena of logic to see if common sense will prevailYou have established the fact that he claims Oranmiyan descendent, if the Oba is human and very well real can we say so for Oranmiyan? Who is Oranmiyan, fairytale or no fairytale? ** time for intellectual discourse, Riskybobo **[/s]

Fezz:


This is outrageous and laughable . How many people followed Oranmiyan from ile-ife to Ubini, excluding the Benin Chiefs that convinced him to rule them as their rightful heir. Let's start from there? I'm waiting

Edeyoung:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410734_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

Fezz:


Well.. says the guy that I responded to, claiming that the entire Benin people are yoruba. It's no longer the Benin royal house he wants to claim, it's now the entire Benin populace. Very funny! You and your yoruba brothers should go and hijack another tribe because Benin is out of your league.

Edeyoung:
[s]Are you aware the benin-ife Oduduwa myth never existed in the first placeYoure arguing over a myth used to united edo and yorubas as brothers after amalgamation for political benefit....Take your time and read benin old document if you find oromiyan or ife(uhe) call me bastard. On the otherhand Truthshots2 i made a proposal to u d other day you refuse to reply me[/s]

TAO11:


https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/37#101032103

Cc: Fezz

TAO11:
TAO11 aka TAO12; PhD Dumb Revisionism



https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/37#101032103

Cc: Fezz

Edeyoung:
[s]You really want me to make you cry again by asking you for written historical evidence[/s]
www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410734_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

Edeyoung:
[s]I curse you, your obsession will lead you to mental insanity unless you're telling the truth[/s]

TAO11:
https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666

KingOKON:
[s]Don't be a chicken the lecture is just commencing, let's decipher how a man can be the son of a myth.Or do you take parables literally, come out and speak baby[/s]

TAO11:
Take it up with your Omonoba on why you think his fore-father is a cartoon. LMAO!



https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666

(1) Since you strongly believe that your own oba is descended from a cartoon. Then, take it up with him.

(2) We don’t think our own obas are descended from cartoons. So, we have no similar case against our obas

KingOKON:
[s]Which d spiritual head of all omulabis claims to be his too, so can we conclude that the Ooni who was once a showboy and original Casanova is in one accord to the Oba[/s]

TAO11:
(1) Since you strongly believe that your own oba is descended from a cartoon. Then, take it up with him.

(2) We don’t think our own obas are descended from cartoons. So, we have no argument with our obas.

Case-closed! Why are you facing me. Face Benin palace.



https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666

TAO11:
Oh ye @Edeyoung (aka @gregyboy), how many times must your A.F.C. Ryder screenshot be debunked before you feel ashamed of yourself ??



Please point out one statement of fact/certainty from your A.F.C. Ryder 1965 screenshot. I would wait.

While I’m waiting, refer carefully to the page below for a citation of A.F.C. Ryder 1969, p.31. — 4 years later.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410825_d068e656589b4bbbb298a34dd1d5cdcc_jpeg_jpeg60c0b8c88f425856c2f91ce1774288a0

Cheers!

Cc: Fezz

KingOKON:
Very good we are getting somewhere

[s]so Oranmiyan who to the Oba is a mere cartoon came to Ile Ife and played a joke using parable and you are salivating[/s].

Yours Obas never descended from Cartoon

but they have one of if not the most scattered/controversial of origin one can read about like this Oranmiyan of a thing and you don't want to rack your Bobrisky brain over it so that common sense can get hold if it permanently

Case never close, very fresh and delicious

TAO11:
Cry me five different oceans oh you Edeyoung aka gregyboy; PhD Dumb Revisionism



https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/37#101032103

Cc: Fezz

Edeyoung:
[s]••• Afc ryder admitted that scholars now identify the ogane as ooni of ife now get the English afc ryder didn't himself agrees to this various notion of the scholars he only pointed out that scholars admitted to it for clarity sake, if he had admitted to this acceptance he would make it open there and instantly debunked his old works •••[/s]

[s]Please any further discussion on this would regard first you summit a copy of that very work for proper review •••[/s]

Edeyoung:




Are you aware the benin-ife Oduduwa myth never existed in the first place


Youre arguing over a myth used to united edo and yorubas as brothers after amalgamation for political benefit....


Take your time and read benin old document if you find oromiyan or ife(uhe) call me bastard


On the otherhand Truthshots2 i made a proposal to u d other day you refuse to reply me