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I said "it was a Parable" but if you think it's not then let's see how real it is.
Jesus said Lazarus used to be carried to the rich man's gate but DESIRES eating from whatever falls from the rich man's table so where exactly was Lazarus sitting, at the gate or besides the rich man's table? Luke 16:19-21
Secondly you said "Abraham was still alive during the time Jesus was referring", the Bible is clear that Abraham and Moses weren't contemporaries.
Jesus said Abraham told the rich man that Moses and the prophets are with his brothers {Luke 16:29} do you know any prophet that lived at the same time with Moses?
Let's see how far you comprehend what you're trying to bank on as evidence of life in the land of the dead!

enilove:
Is this a parable to you :
Luke 16:20 KJV
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Did the Bible call it a parable ?
This verse is very clear . It says , there was a certain man with a NAME.
Also about Abraham and Moses.
If it was a parable , Jesus wouldn't have mentioned names of prophets that once existed.
You read Bible but you don't understand the Bible .Abraham was not in heaven but underneath the earth during that period Jesus was referring to.
That is why you need to leave your JW organization and be saved because they are only teaching you people heresies.
You said ''since I don't want to learn'' . What do you mean by that ?
You are not a Christian but a Bible reader .

MaxInDHouse:
I said "it was a Parable" but if you think it's not then let's see how real it is.
Jesus said Lazarus used to be carried to the rich man's gate but DESIRES eating from whatever falls from the rich man's table so where exactly was Lazarus sitting, at the gate or besides the rich man's table? Luke 16:19-21
Secondly you said "Abraham was still alive during the time Jesus was referring", the Bible is clear that Abraham and Moses weren't contemporaries.
Jesus said Abraham told the rich man that Moses and the prophets are with his brothers {Luke 16:29} do you know any prophet that lived at the same time with Moses?
Let's see how far you comprehend what you're trying to bank on as evidence of life in the land of the dead!

Every parable Jesus gave in the Bible were clearly called PARABLES.

The Bible tells you that Lazarus used to be at the gate desiring to be fed from crumbs from the rich Man's table. Isn't that direct enough for you. That should tell you that the crumbs would be packed and be given to him at the gate. Do people bring in beggars into their houses to give them left over food ?

I did not say Abraham and Moses were of the same generation. I said as at the time Jesus was talking , Abraham was UNDERNEATH the earth and not in heaven.

There were so many Prophets that lived at the same time with Moses :

Numbers 11:24-26 KJV
And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
[25] And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. [26] But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.

These Prophets were to assist Moses in his work with God.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i can see how funny you are in trying to turn a Parable into real life story.
So those prophesying with Moses are the Prophets, shey?
OK! where was the rich man's house located? Because Moses served as a prophet from the time he was sent to deliver the Israelites from slavery until his death on a mount Moses never got to the promised Land!
So where exactly did the rich man build his house (with gates) so that Lazarus was so poor amongst the Israelites in the wilderness to the point of going to sit at the rich man's gate?

enilove:
Every parable Jesus gave in the Bible were clearly called PARABLES.

The Bible tells you that Lazarus used to be at the gate desiring to be fed from crumbs from the rich Man's table. Isn't that direct enough for you. That should tell you that the crumbs would be packed and be given to him at the gate. Do people bring in beggars into their houses to give them left over food ?

I did not say Abraham and Moses were of the same generation. I said as at the time Jesus was talking , Abraham was UNDERNEATH the earth and not in heaven.

There were so many Prophets that lived at the same time with Moses :

Numbers 11:24-26 KJV
And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
[25] And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. [26] But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.

These Prophets were to assist Moses in his work with God.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i can see how funny you are in trying to turn a Parable into real life story.
So those prophesying with Moses are the Prophets, shey?
OK! where was the rich man's house located? Because Moses served as a prophet from the time he was sent to deliver the Israelites from slavery until his death on a mount Moses never got to the promised Land!
So where exactly did the rich man build his house (with gates) so that Lazarus was so poor amongst the Israelites in the wilderness to the point of going to sit at the rich man's gate?

I just made you to realise that prophets were with Moses during his time.

By saying , they have the Prophets and Moses does not mean Moses was living with them as at then ? It simply means they have the Laws of Moses and the Prophets to guide them.

enilove:
I just made you to realise that prophets were with Moses during his time.

The Israelites that Jesus was talking to never acknowledged any contemporary prophet of Moses, so you are wrong!

By saying , they have the Prophets and Moses does not mean Moses was living with them as at then ? It simply means they have the Laws of Moses and the Prophets to guide them.

Here you are shifting the goal post!
Nevertheless if Jesus' statement did not imply Moses and the prophets living in a literal sense then how come you want to take the story literally?
Do you now see why it is a Parable and not a real story?

First of all Abraham died and was buried, the Bible never mentioned any place where people live after death you are fabricating ideas to explain what you don't understand so please don't add to God's word. If you don't understand something just say you lack the understanding and we will teach you what God's Holy Spirit revealed to the born again Christians who are teaching us.

Now listen, several features mentioned in that Parable and each has it's own meaning:

©Lazarus
©Rich man
©Crumbs from table
©Rich man's gate
©Sour on Lazarus's body
©Dogs coming to lick the sours
©Their death
©Abraham's bosom
©Torment of the rich man
©Father Abraham
©Drop of water to cool the rich man's thirst
©Chasm between the two major characters
©Rich man's brothers
©Sending someone from the dead
©Moses and the prophets

Note that Jesus was talking to the Pharisees by the time he related this Parable. Luke 16:14-18
So the parable has a lot to do with them and the common Jews these self-righteous religious leaders looked down upon!

So if you want to know the meaning ask and we'll teach you but for a taste i'll tell you the meaning of the first 5 out of the 15 features!

Lazarus~ Common Jews like Jesus' disciples who never went through any Rabbinic School they only desire to memorize whatever those religious title chiefs tells them.

Rich Man~ The Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis. They have all the laws in their brains and can manipulate it to favour themselves. So it's what they knew won't affect them in anyway that they're teaching unlearned Jews who aren't religious scholars.


Crumbs from Rich man's table~ The little things Pharisees and Sadducees tell their people to continue enslaving them as those poor in spirit, so Jesus gladdens the heart of the common Jews when he said "Blessed are the poor in spirit because the kingdom of heaven belongs to them" Matthew 5:3

Rich man's gate~ Jewish synagogues where the religious leaders continue to brainwashed their people who always come to the synagogues for spiritual food with selected verses from the scriptures to enslave them.

Sour on Lazarus's body~ The deplorable state of the Jewish nation at that time. Demons are everywhere terrorising God's people due to their spiritual condition.


If you want to know more feel free to ask, it's not mine it belongs to the Born Again Christians God chose by His Spirit to teach us!

MaxInDHouse:
The Israelites that Jesus was talking to never acknowledged any contemporary prophet of Moses, so you are wrong!


Here you are shifting the goal post!
Nevertheless if Jesus' statement did not imply Moses and the prophets living in a literal sense then how come you want to take the story literally?
Do you now see why it is a Parable and not a real story?

First of all Abraham died and was buried, the Bible never mentioned any place where people live after death you were just struggling to explain away what you don't understand so please don't add to God's word. If you don't understand something just say you lack the understanding and we will teach you what God's Holy Spirit revealed to the born again Christians who are teaching us.

Now listen, several features mentioned in that Parable and each has it's own meaning:

©Lazarus
©Rich man
©Crumbs from table
©Rich man's gate
©Sour on Lazarus's body
©Dogs coming to lick the sours
©Their death
©Abraham's bosom
©Torment of the rich man
©Father Abraham
©Drop of water to cool the rich man's thirst
©Chasm between the two major characters
©Rich man's brothers
© Sending someone from the dead
©Moses and the prophets

Note that Jesus was talking to the Pharisees by the time he related this Parable. Luke 16:14-18
So the parable has a lot to do with them and the common Jews these self-righteous religious leaders looked down upon!

So if you want to know the meaning ask and we'll teach you but for a taste i'll tell you the meaning of the first 5 out of the 15 features!

Lazarus~ Common Jews like Jesus' disciples who never went through any Rabbinic School they only desire to memorize whatever those religious title chiefs tells them.

Rich Man~ The Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis. They have all the laws in their brains and can manipulate it to favour themselves. So it's what they knew won't affect them in anyway that the teach other Jews who aren't religious scholars.


Crumbs from Rich man's table~ The little things Pharisees and Sadducees tell their people to continue enslaving them as those poor in spirit, so Jesus gladdens the heart of the common Jews when he said "Blessed are the poor in spirit because the kingdom of heaven belongs to them" Matthew 5:3

Rich man's gate~ Jewish synagogues where the religious leaders continue to brainwashed their people with select verses from the scriptures to enslave them.

Sour on Lazarus's body~ The deplorable state of the Jewish nation at that time. Demons are everywhere terrorising God's people due to their spiritual condition.

If you want to know more feel free to ask, it's not mine it belongs to the Born Again Christians God chose by His Spirit to teach us!

That is why I told you before that you are reading the Bible without understanding.

From the heresy they taught you , were there Pharisees and Sadducees during the time of Moses .
The ordinary Jews and the Pharisees and co do have access to the synagogue . From your heresy , only the Pharisees and co are inside the synagogue. Since the place of Lazarus is outside the house of the rich man , that is , at the gate. And from the story of Lazarus & rich man in the Bible , did you read that the rich man used to come to the gate and communicate with the beggar ?

You accused me of adding to the Bible because I said Moses and prophets means , '' Laws of Moses and the Prophets ''.
What can we say about you and your organization who said , '' Lazarus means ordinary Jews , rich Man's gate means synagogue , crumbs means teaching of the Pharisees , sour on Lazarus body means falling state of the Jews etc .
How many changes did you add to that story ? More so , you have not ended it there . You still have about 10 more satanic interpretations to add.

Is that not hypocrisy of the highest order ?
You are not even afraid to tell me not to add to the Bible when you knew quite well all your explanations are going to be based on personal opinions ?

You should be reading your Bible and not your publications which will lead you to hell.

Likewise , you condemned the Bible that told you that God gave the spirit of prophecy to some people during the time of Moses and claimed the Israelites Jesus was talking to never acknowledged any contemporary Prophets with Moses.

Where is your proof for this ?
Even if they don't , it is because they were yet unborn and because they did not read what was written in their books.

My students will be your teachers any time any day because , you lack surface knowledge of the Bible , talk less of the deep knowledge.

You're really funny you know?
So because Satan's agents changes their titles to fit in to different generations so you concluded that there were no Pharisees and Sadducees during Moses's time shey?
Well i'll leave you in your ignorance and ego, but know today that God has foretold of Satan's agents (seed) to exist throughout right from the beginning {Genesis 3:15} and they often changes their titles {2Corinthians 11:14-15} from generation to generation it's their FRUIT that will help honest hearted and sincere individuals IDENTIFY them. Matthew 7:16-18
Their ancestors are Adam, Eve, Cain, Nimrod, Korah and their generations continue to stand against pure worship down till the first century when Satan assembled them to formed a religious system awaiting Jesus Christ and his forerunner John the baptist.
John referred to them as "generation of vipers (serpent)" {Matthew 3:7} while Jesus referred to them as "Satan's Children" {John 8:44} Jesus even explained further that "the blood of Abel down to that of Zechariah will be demanded from the generation of Satan's seed" Luke 11:50-51
But since they often changes their titles faithless people like you will never IDENTIFY them after all you expect them to always bear the same title!

enilove:
That is why I told you before that you are reading the Bible without understanding. From the heresy they taught you , were there Pharisees and Sadducees during the time of Moses.The ordinary Jews and the Pharisees and co do have access to the synagogue . From your heresy , only the Pharisees and co are inside the synagogue. Since the place of Lazarus is outside the house of the rich man , that is , at the gate. And from the story of Lazarus & rich man in the Bible , did you read that the rich man used to come to the gate and communicate with the beggar?You accused me of adding to the Bible because I said Moses and prophets means , '' Laws of Moses and the Prophets ''.
What can we say about you and your organization who said , '' Lazarus means ordinary Jews , rich Man's gate means synagogue , crumbs means teaching of the Pharisees , sour on Lazarus body means falling state of the Jews etc . How many changes did you add to that story ? More so , you have not ended it there . You still have about 10 more satanic interpretations to add.Is that not hypocrisy of the highest order ?
You are not even afraid to tell me not to add to the Bible when you knew quite well all your explanations are going to be based on personal opinions?You should be reading your Bible and not your publications which will lead you to hell.
Likewise , you condemned the Bible that told you that God gave the spirit of prophecy to some people during the time of Moses and claimed the Israelites Jesus was talking to never acknowledged any contemporary Prophets with Moses.Where is your proof for this ?
Even if they don't , it is because they were yet unborn and because they did not read what was written in their books.
My students will be your teachers any time any day because , you lack surface knowledge of the Bible , talk less of the deep knowledge.

It comes, then, to this: that to be "viable," livable, or merely practical, life must be lived as a game—and the "must" here expresses a
condition, not a commandment.

It must be lived in the spirit of play
rather than work, and the Conflicts which
it involves must be carried on in the realization that no species, or party to a game, can survive without its natural antagonists, its beloved enemies, its indispensable opponents.

For to "love your enemies" is to love them as enemies; it is not necessarily a clever device for winning them over to your own side.

The Lion lies down with the Lamb in paradise, but not on earth—"paradise" being the tacit, off-stage level where, behind the scenes, all Conflicting parties recognize their Interdependence, and, through this recognition,
are able to keep their conflicts within bounds.

This recognition is the absolutely essential chivalry which must set the limits within all
warfare, with human and non-human enemies alike, for chivalry is the debonair spirit of the knight who "plays with his life" in the knowledge that even mortal combat is a game.

- Alan Watts

MaxInDHouse:
You're really funny you know?
So because Satan's agents changes their titles to fit in to different generations so you concluded that there were no Pharisees and Sadducees during Moses's time shey?
Well i'll leave you in your ignorance and ego, but know today that God has foretold of Satan's agents (seed) to exist throughout right from the beginning {Genesis 3:15} and they often changes their titles {2Corinthians 11:14-15} from generation to generation it's their FRUIT that will help honest hearted and sincere individuals IDENTIFY them. Matthew 7:16-18
Their ancestors are Adam, Eve, Cain, Nimrod, Korah and their generations continue to stand against pure worship down till the first century when Satan assembled them to formed a religious system awaiting Jesus Christ and his forerunner John the baptist.
John referred to them as "generation of vipers (serpent)" {Matthew 3:7} while Jesus referred to them as "Satan's Children" {John 8:44} Jesus even explained further that "the blood of Abel down to that of Zechariah will be demanded from the generation of Satan's seed" Luke 11:50-51
But since they often changes their titles faithless people like you will never IDENTIFY them after all you expect them to always bear the same title!

You are confused by your false teachings.

Pharisees existed b4 Moses ?
There is nothing you people cannot twist to make your false claims .

In your eyes and same with your members , it is only JW that are the only true Christians doing the will of God .
Anything outside JW are false to you all.

God used Apostle Ayo Babalola to bring revival to Nigeria in 1930 when God used him to raised a dead child back to life . God did many miracles through him.

What about other missionaries that brought Christianity to Nigeria . They also gave free education in their time. The Catholic church also did theirs . How many can we linked to JW?

If not for these Christian groups , Nigeria would have still been in darkness.
And you are claiming doing the will of God .

enilove:
You are confused by your false teachings.
Pharisees existed b4 Moses ?
There is nothing you people cannot twist to make your false claims .
In your eyes and same with your members , it is only JW that are the only true Christians doing the will of God .
Anything outside JW are false to you all.
God used Apostle Ayo Babalola to bring revival to Nigeria in 1930 when God used him to raised a dead child back to life . God did many miracles through him.

"BY THEIR FRUIT" says Jesus
I think Ayo Babalola is the founder of CAC nah!
Well the way the church elders are fighting like die now shows Babalola was FAKE {Matthew 7:21-23} just listen to Niyi Adedokun music, he is a member of CAC. He can tell you the type of war going on in the church now because of money and position!

What about other missionaries that brought Christianity to Nigeria . They also gave free education in their time. The Catholic church also did theirs . How many can we linked to JW?

During ethnic clashes Catholics kill fellow Catholics like no man's business, only JWs remain united with the test of time, so instead of banking on worthless signs right thinking persons rely on the fruitage of God's Holy Spirit: LOVE, JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

If not for these Christian groups , Nigeria would have still been in darkness.
And you are claiming doing the will of God .

What is the proof that Nigeria is not in dense darkness?

MaxInDHouse:
"BY THEIR FRUIT" says Jesus
I think Ayo Babalola is the founder of CAC nah!
Well the way the church elders are fighting like die now shows Babalola was FAKE {Matthew 7:21-23} just listen to Niyi Adedokun music, he is a member of CAC. He can tell you the type of war going on in the church now because of money and position!

During ethnic clashes Catholics kill fellow Catholics like no man's business, only JWs remain united with the test of time, so instead of banking on worthless signs right thinking persons rely on the fruitage of God's Holy Spirit: LOVE, JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

What is the proof that Nigeria is not in dense darkness?

Are you reading your Bible at all ?

In th letter of James to all the Twelve tribes abroad , he rebuked the churches for fighting among themselves and quarreling , pride , boasting etc .
Based on your argument against the CAC . You claimed the church is not of God and Prophet Ayo Babalola was a fake proohet because of their fightings . Are these churches not of God and the apostles who established them fake also ? Or was the letter to fake churches of fake Apostles?

What about your organization ? Were there no fightings among your members from the word ''go'' till now ?

THIS PART OF YOUR HISTORY :
The group emerged from the Bible Student movement founded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell, who also co-founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society in 1881 to organize and print the movement's publications.[3] A leadership dispute after Russell's death resulted in several groups breaking away, with Joseph Franklin Rutherford retaining control of the Watch Tower Society and its properties.[10] Rutherford made significant organizational and doctrinal changes, including adoption of the name Jehovah's witnesses[11][note 1] in 1931 to distinguish them from other Bible Student groups and symbolize a break with the legacy of Russell's traditions.

You are not a Christian and can never be truthful and sincere.

Please where exactly did such happen in the first century?
Try to support your argument with scriptures not assumptions!
If the leaders of a group are always fighting over position and money to the extent that members like Niyi Adedokun could come out publicly to sing about it then Babalola is not a Christian, because they're all referring to him as their founder, definitely he was a lover of position and money!

enilove:
Are you reading your Bible at all ?

In th letter of James to all the Twelve tribes abroad , he rebuked the churches for fighting among themselves and quarreling , pride , boasting etc .
Based on your argument against the CAC . You claimed the church is not of God and Prophet Ayo Babalola was a fake proohet because of their fightings . Are these churches not of God and the apostles who established them fake also ? Or was the letter to fake churches of fake Apostles?

What about your organization ? Were there no fightings among your members from the word ''go'' till now ?

THIS PART OF YOUR HISTORY :
The group emerged from the Bible Student movement founded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell, who also co-founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society in 1881 to organize and print the movement's publications.[3] A leadership dispute after Russell's death resulted in several groups breaking away, with Joseph Franklin Rutherford retaining control of the Watch Tower Society and its properties.[10] Rutherford made significant organizational and doctrinal changes, including adoption of the name Jehovah's witnesses[11][note 1] in 1931 to distinguish them from other Bible Student groups and symbolize a break with the legacy of Russell's traditions.

You are not a Christian and can never be truthful and sincere.

MaxInDHouse:
Please where exactly did such happen in the first century?
Try to support your argument with scriptures not assumptions!
If the leaders of a group are always fighting over position and money to the extent that members like Niyi Adedokun could come out publicly to sing about it then Babalola is not a Christian, because they're all referring to him as their founder, definitely he was a lover of position and money!

A simplified chart of historical developments of major groups within Bible Students
At the corporation's annual general meeting on January 6, 1917, Joseph Franklin Rutherford , the Society's legal counsel, was elected as Russell's successor, with new by-laws passed to strengthen the president's authority. [71] Within months, four of the Society's seven directors claimed he was acting without consulting the board and described him as "dogmatic, authoritarian and secretive". [72][73]
[74][75] A directors' meeting in June proposed returning control of the Society to the board, [76] but at a stormy five-hour meeting on July 17, 1917, Rutherford announced he had appointed four new directors to replace the four who had opposed him, claiming they had no legal status on the board because of conflict with Pennsylvania law. [77][78]
At the same meeting Rutherford surprised the headquarters staff and most of the directors [79] by announcing the release of the book The Finished Mystery ,[80] dealing with the prophecies of the books of Revelation and
Ezekiel and based on Russell's writings. [81] The book, written by Bible Students Clayton J. Woodworth and George H. Fisher, [82][83] was described as the "posthumous work of Russell" and the seventh volume of Studies in the Scriptures. It was an immediate best-seller and was translated into six languages. [84] Rutherford and the ousted directors published a number of newsletters through 1917 and 1918 attacking each other and some congregations split into opposing groups of those loyal either to the president or those he had expelled. [85][86]
Rutherford staged a purge within the Brooklyn headquarters to force out those not wholeheartedly on his side and required those who remained to sign an oath of allegiance to him. [87] He was re-elected as president in 1918 with a big majority, but by mid-1919 about one in seven Bible Students had left, [88] forming such groups as The Stand Fast Bible Students Association , Laymen's Home Missionary Movement , Dawn Bible Students Association , Pastoral Bible Institute, Elijah Voice Movement and Eagle Society. [89] Subscriptions to The Watch Tower also fell from 45,000 to fewer than 3000 between 1914 - 1918.

That of book of James I gave is biblical .This publication above is not different from what you said about CAC.

There are so much things wrong with JW org from from prophecies to divisions to. heresies etc .

What can be concluded about JW Org is worse , based on your opinion of CAC

I asked you to back up your assertion with the scriptures regarding this:

enilove:
In th letter of James to all the Twelve tribes abroad , he rebuked the churches for fighting among themselves and quarreling , pride , boasting etc

But instead it's the story of what happened to the Bible students that you're trying to bring up again!

A simplified chart of historical developments of major groups within Bible Students
At the corporation's annual general meeting on January 6, 1917, Joseph Franklin Rutherford , the Society's legal counsel, was elected as Russell's successor, with new by-laws passed to strengthen the president's authority. [71] Within months, four of the Society's seven directors claimed he was acting without consulting the board and described him as "dogmatic, authoritarian and secretive". [72][73]
[74][75] A directors' meeting in June proposed returning control of the Society to the board, [76] but at a stormy five-hour meeting on July 17, 1917, Rutherford announced he had appointed four new directors to replace the four who had opposed him, claiming they had no legal status on the board because of conflict with Pennsylvania law. [77][78]
At the same meeting Rutherford surprised the headquarters staff and most of the directors [79] by announcing the release of the book The Finished Mystery ,[80] dealing with the prophecies of the books of Revelation and
Ezekiel and based on Russell's writings. [81] The book, written by Bible Students Clayton J. Woodworth and George H. Fisher, [82][83] was described as the "posthumous work of Russell" and the seventh volume of Studies in the Scriptures. It was an immediate best-seller and was translated into six languages. [84] Rutherford and the ousted directors published a number of newsletters through 1917 and 1918 attacking each other and some congregations split into opposing groups of those loyal either to the president or those he had expelled. [85][86]
Rutherford staged a purge within the Brooklyn headquarters to force out those not wholeheartedly on his side and required those who remained to sign an oath of allegiance to him. [87] He was re-elected as president in 1918 with a big majority, but by mid-1919 about one in seven Bible Students had left, [88] forming such groups as The Stand Fast Bible Students Association , Laymen's Home Missionary Movement , Dawn Bible Students Association , Pastoral Bible Institute, Elijah Voice Movement and Eagle Society. [89] Subscriptions to The Watch Tower also fell from 45,000 to fewer than 3000 between 1914 - 1918.That of book of James I gave is biblical .This publication above is not different from what you said about CAC. There are so much things wrong with JW org from from prophecies to divisions to. heresies etc .What can be concluded about JW Org is worse , based on your opinion of CAC

Well if you don't know the difference i'll enlighten you.

The Bible students in the early 1900s had that issue when Jesus returned in 1914 to restructure his group, just as he did in first century when he first arrived among the Jews.
Do you still remember what happened?
Well after Jesus' arrival only one group (Christians) out of about 10 rival religious groups in Judae was CHOSEN to continue as God's people and later Jerusalem was destroyed!
It is still the same Jesus o {Hebrews 13:8} after he visited the earth in 1914 he discovered that there were weeds amongst his beloved brothers so he spiritually separated his chosen group from the rest.
So unlike the CAC that beleive they're worshiping the same God but fighting over position and money, JEHOVAH separated JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and gave us that name! Isaiah 65:15

So we are not worshiping the same God with those people today!

MaxInDHouse:
I asked you to back up your assertion with the scriptures regarding this:

Which scriptures did you use to back up your allegation against CAC and Apostle Ayo Babalola ?

Matthew 6:24 
“No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches" Jesus warned his followers not to think of enriching themselves in the ministry because that is what will kill the the LOVE, JOY and PEACE that's expected to reign among God's people!

1Timothy 6
9 But those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and harmful desires that plunge men into destruction and ruin. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains.

Those making riches a priority will end up bringing reproach on the name of their God.

Matthew 23
6 They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues 7 and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men. 8 But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. 9 Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. 11 But the greatest one among you must be your minister. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Jesus also warned his followers against being celebrities because such individuals always love exalting themselves!

These are the things killing the unity and sanity among CAC!

enilove:
Which scriptures did you use to back up your allegation against CAC and Apostle Ayo Babalola ?

enilove:
What an exhibit

The JEHOVAH WITNESSES are not different from the MUSLIMS. They both tell lies and try to deny their embarrassing past history.

JimaeChinko:
The JEHOVAH WITNESSES are not different from the MUSLIMS. They both tell lies and try to deny their embarrassing past history.

You are right.

I first did not believe it when I was told the JWs are Antichrist. Am just getting to know why they are Antichrist .