Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,195,522 members, 7,958,582 topics. Date: Wednesday, 25 September 2024 at 05:58 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Politics / Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 (3915 Views)
Withdraw Offensive Remark Against Northern Elders, Marafa Tells Matawalle / Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims / Funmilayo Kuti Led Yoruba Kings & Nnamdi Azikwe To London In 1947-pics (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by AdakaBoro8(m): 5:35pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego:what we know is that zik threaten northerns from departing... ibous past sins are now hunting them as repercursion... i pity the ibous for this punishment facing them.. God pls forgive them 2 Likes |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by afonjaheadhunts: 5:47pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego: My brother I have been asking myself thesame questions after going through this thread. It is a miracle |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by theTranslator: 6:20pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego:it doesn't only do speeches it does anything about Negros you just showed your naivety I didn't claim anything blackpast did that they have competent historians and writers go fight with them nau |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 6:30pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
orisa37:NOT AT ALL 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by pricklewane: 6:32pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Was that what was contained in the Aburi accord that does not exist in regional government ? ezenwajosh: 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 6:40pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
So let me get this straight. Igbos started this thread agreeing with Zik, saying a united nigeria was fine as long as it was run properly and each had regional control/autonomy. Yet when asked why they disagree with Awolowo when he said the same thing, they then shift to say Igbos hate Awolowo because he orchestrated the food blockade. But when it was stated that Ojukwus forces were stealing the food, they then shift to say they would never steal the food, they merely rejected the food for "fear of their people being poisoned". So then in that case, why again is Awolowo hated then?!? And if you all really agree with Zik on this premise, why exactly are people clamoring for Biafra? If you mention the lack of regional autonomy and oil, then why exactly did you all support Ojukwus war ambitions when regionalism had already existed back then before the war? THIS IS IDIOCY. It reminds of how they argue about building lagos, then when you ask them why they went there in the first place instead of building igboland if Lagos was a dustbin they say it's because it was the FCT, and that all other SW areas are garbage. But when you mention that major Lagos developments happened after the FCT moved to abuja and then ask why they're begining to move to Ogun and Oyo communities in droves as well, they then say proximity to lagos. They can just lie.and lie without making any sense as long as it fulfills a narrative and story they want to portray. They refuse to give credit to Yoruba leadership and economic opportunity they create in their region. I actually love this thread because it proves the underlying nature of the Igbos. They can never stand in truth and honesty, they will perpetrate deception to fulfill their narrative and ambitions even if it goes against logic and truth. And they will lie, cover up, lie and lie and lie and lie over and over and over again. With a dash of "victimization". Many people think the Igbos and Yorubas have more in common than the Fulanis. Don't let religion fool you. There's NOTHING similar btw Yorubas and Igbos. Which is why I wholeheartedly support Oduduwa Nation. Sometimes arguing with both Igbos and Fulanis is an exercise in masochism. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 6:46pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
MrMaestro:You are definitely not very bright... This is a propaganda devised by a paid BMC sponsored Igbo hater... First, Zik was making an analysis in the speech that was highlighted and Zik did not represent anything Igbo... This was the colonial period, and warrant chiefs were still in charge under the British administrators.. What right does Zik, who was born and raised in the North and a Pan-African to decide for the Igbo nation? He doesn't even have any political post, not even in the Igbo region. The idiot of low intellect now injected his own opinion stating that Zik wanted to breakaway when it was Ojukwu that broke away. Mind you, these negroes of low intellect, Nigeria was formed by the British people and Nigeria was still using their laws even at independence and there was nothing or room to discuss secession. Only the British had that power to decide. |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 6:48pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego:I'm focused on the bolded. The rest is besides the point. Why is Zik championed by Igbos then? And why is Awolowo despised? If they both had very similar sentiments? 2 Likes |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 6:55pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
MrMaestro:Despise how? The Igbos might despise Awolowo for his role in the war and his cowardice but of course most admire him for putting the interest of Yorubas first. For his policy of education for the Yoruba nation. Igbos did not have that relationship with Zik... He was more like a Pan-Africanist... Have you ever seen Zik in an Igbo attire?... He will die first than find him in an Igbo attire. He spoke Hausa better than he spoke Igbo. He did not represent Igbo interest and that is why people in the East hate him beyond anything.. they respect Ojukwu way more. The Nigerian state magnified and glorified Zik and named monuments after him and praised him because he was a traitor. The guy fought against the Igbos during the war. . he singlehandedly went to the British government campaigning against Biafran interest during the war. He doesn't represent Igbo interest, not in any way. |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 7:00pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego:This is a consistent and logical line of thinking that I can applaud. However I can tell you the overwhelming majority of Igbos opinions on Zik that I've seen definitely does not match your own. But regardless, thank you for your opinion. 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by orisa37: 7:30pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by T9ksy(m): 7:31pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego: So zik had no political clout in aligbo land? Same way another one of your duplicitous ilk claimed here that Zik was a nonentity by 1953. I wonder if you guys are talking about a different zik who was the president of the Ibo state union in 1948, the first ethnic grouping in the country. This same zik was the regional premier of eastern region after his mischievous attempt to preside over the affairs of the yorubas who duly rejected him, 1951. This was the zik who helped formed the most broad-based political party (NCNC) in Nigeria, in 1944 yet we are meant to believe that he was a nonentity in 1953. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 8:00pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
T9ksy:Of course, he was not respected.. Read well, to see how he caused problems in the eastern region. The British government dissolved the current leadership structure in the Eastern region in order to install him after he had problems in the Western region. Azikiwe's problem is that he was neither here nor there when it comes to ethnicity. Read the problems he had in the NYm where he broke away with the Ijebus (Then Ijebus strong sense of independence from the larger Yoruba nation was very strong) from the Yoruba dominated NYM and they went to join the NCNC... See his history, when he was young, he could not speak Igbo, he only spoke Hausa, his parents had to take him to Onitsha to learn some Igbo but he ended up going back to join his father in Lagos after some years.. Zik could probably speak Hausa and Yoruba more than he did Igbo... He was a confused pan-Africanist and never really had my deep Igbo consciousness except when it benefits him or his pan-Africanist movements... Nnamdi Azikiwe caused problems in 1953 in the Eastern region, when he could not win the premier, he went crying to the British Governor and the structure and leadership was dissolved in order to make him premier in the Eastern region when his quest in the western region (where he grew up partly). So, how can someone who spoke more Hausa and possibly Yoruba more than Igbo represent Igbo interest? That is the difference between a Zik and an Awolowo. While Awolowo stood firmly for his people alone and had a deep Yoruba consciousness, Zik did not have any of such sentiments, instead, while his people were in a war, he was busy dining with Gowon. He was a Biafran traitor. In his biography, he claimed he was Bini and his ancestors came from Bini. |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by gidgiddy: 9:03pm On Apr 28, 2021 |
MrMaestro: You should do more to learn about Nigerian history. Zik did not hold any serious political position in 1953. If Zik's opinion in 1953 was that Nigeria Nigeria should stay one then that is his opinion. If the North wanted secession, then why didnt they? Is it one man called Zik that stopped the entire North from seceding? So what is the point of this thread? Any sentiments about Awolowo in the East is based on the civil war. This story that Biafran Soldiers were stealing food is rubbish, starvation is not to be used as a policy of war. It is now a war crime to prevent people from having access to food, medicine and other essential things needed to sustain life. Ojukwu declared Biafra because Gowon went against what was agreed at Aburi by abolishing the 4 Region's that existed, and creating 12 states that replaced them. |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 5:48am On Sep 12, 2021 |
ezenwajosh: Per the first bolded, what was agreed at Aburi had nothing to do with restructuring (i.e. a genuine return to the federalism which Ironsi abolished with his Unification Decree). Aburi Accord was extreme confederalism which was totally different from the federalism which Nigerians were already used to and was working for them perfectly. Per the second bolded, how could Awolowo have adjudicated between Gowon and Ojukwu over an agreement he (Awolowo) wasn't part of hence didn't really know exactly what was actually agreed upon? Did Awolowo attend Aburi meeting? Was he invited by either Gowon or Ojukwu? If anything, Ojukwu who, by virtue of his level of education courtesy of being a graduate of the prestigious Oxford University, was the one who shamelessly stood up at the meeting and accused the politicians including Awolowo of being responsible for the Nzeogwu coup and the counter coup and all the crises that followed. So how exactly was Aburi agreement an Awolowo's business? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 5:59am On Sep 12, 2021 |
ezenwajosh:Aburi Accord agreement content is totally different from the restructuring we are fighting for today. What we are currently fighting for is exactly the kind of true federalism we started with at independence and which Ironsi and Ojukwu destroyed with their Unification Decree while Aburi Accord was an extreme confederal arrangement where even the army would be regionalized and that was pure rubbish. Where on earth is the army regionalized? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Theagnosticdude: 6:08am On Sep 12, 2021 |
From this speech, Zik took time to detail them on the possible consequences of their intended secession.One Nigeria was meant to favour them anyway but their timidity and inability to compete with the west and the east when there was a level playing field for all made them to want to to pull out. It was also learnt from the speech that at that time, the North did not have a monopoly in food production. Each region was at least self-sufficient in food.I wonder how it later became so bad that the south left food production at the mercy of the Northerners |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:09am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Omoslim26:Your assessment of Zik as using only intelligence and superior intellectual acumen is faulty on the following three premises: 1. The fact that he described Nigeria's union as perpetual and non-negotiable means his mind was actually closed to any opinion different from his about Nigeria hence wouldn't have welcome any superior logical argument why the North should have been allowed to exit Nigeria. 2. The fact that in another argument parliamentary session in which he was pitted against Awolowo over this same secession issue, he gleefully rejoiced when the British used threats of treason to quieten Awolowo who actually had a superior arguement as to why secession clause should be allowed in the future constitution of Nigeria. 3. The fact that posterity today has put Zik on the wrong side of history and made nonsense of his position back then on secession to the point that over 3 million civilians of his own Igbo race would later lose their lives in search of that same secession which Zik 'intelligently' argued against when Northerners wanted it. Any intelligence which ignores stark reality in pursuit of dreams and hazzy apparitions is actually a display of idiocy. And point of correction: Zik was actually an evil genius. The fact that his ideologies and choices back then later led to outcomes which have till today left a sour taste in the mouths of his own Igbo race lends flesh to that conclusion. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:15am On Sep 12, 2021 |
AdakaBoro8:They have forgotten that Ironsi and Ojukwu killed Over 150 soldiers of Isaac Boro in their pursuit of one-Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:23am On Sep 12, 2021 |
2elliot:His one Nigeria ideology inspired Ironsi and Ojukwu to kill over 150 Isaac Adaka Boro's soldiers with federal military might in the '12 day Revolution' 2 Likes |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:25am On Sep 12, 2021 |
2elliot:Awolowo to have pointed to Gowon to abide by an agreement which Awolowo didn't know anything about and wasn't part of? You must be a comedian. 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:28am On Sep 12, 2021 |
2elliot: Likewise we sat around the table to discuss secession clause but Azikiwe was secretly colluding with the British and advising them to overturn any agreement in favour of secession. So whose fault was that? 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:32am On Sep 12, 2021 |
2elliot:I can't believe you are so funny. So to you it was common sense for Zik to, in his quest for freedom of the black race, seek partnership with the same North that had already begun to kill his own Southern brothers in thousands in Jos 1945 and Kano-1953? What is freedom if I may ask? In the quest for freedom from one oppression you were seeking another potentially worse oppressor's assistance and partnership. Please what sort of common sense was that? 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:44am On Sep 12, 2021 |
gidgiddy: You are wrong on all the above three fronts: 1. Zik was fighting the North's secession movement in representative capacity of the Igbo race which elected him as their political leader to that very parliament where he made that speech, else Igbos should have recalled him back home. He enjoyed the backing of the British overlords in fighting against secession clause hence there was nothing the desirous North could do any further about their wish. 2. The fact that Zik later, in an afterthought tone, publicly declared that Nigeria should be allowed to split in peace and not in pieces, and the fact that he ever joined the Biafra project invalidates your argument above. 3. What is currently happening in Nigeria is not new. It had already happened in 1945, 1953 and again in 1962, 1965 yet Zik was chanting one-Nigeria and nationalism all through those years. In fact it was happening right during the Biafra War when Zik defected to the side of one-Nigeria again. Remember that Zik once publicly declared that he was ready to pay the supreme price (i.e. death of his people) to preserve one-Nigeria? 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 6:50am On Sep 12, 2021 |
pricklewane:God bless you abundantly for this. You are a very intelligent person in a Nigeria where the darkness of shallow thinking and sentiments has so much deadened the ability of people to reason deeply and ask very logical questions. 2 Likes |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 7:05am On Sep 12, 2021 |
ezenwajosh: So why have you Igbos not now carried out another coup today to remove Buhari? And you forgot that the same Ortom recently made a U-turn on the very issue once Buhari began to offer money for the governors ready for RUGA? You also forgot that the whole RUGA idea actually originated from PDP during Jonathan era when over N100bn was released to all the 36 state governors for it but Ortom would never tell you that. On your Awolowo angle to the coup, I can tell you that it is a lie that was later fabricated to mitigate the obviously Igbocentric execution pattern of the coup. According to the coupists themselves, their objective was to put in place a strong center and create a government of national unity to eradicate the tribalism which regional system had encouraged. Now, how could a set of coupists desirous of eradicating tribalism through a unitary government have flirted with the idea of making a federalist and an alleged father of tribalism head such a government? Can't you see that the whole story is not adding up? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 7:09am On Sep 12, 2021 |
ezenwajosh:You obviously don't know your history. According to Ifeajuna, the coup became necessary in the face of the wanton corruption by the regional premiers hence the need to centralize the government for proper monitoring. 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 7:11am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Ojiofor:Zik had the support of the British which was in control of the military as of then. 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 7:15am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Why are you being economical with the truth? Didn't Zik himself confess in a 1975 interview that he enjoyed the support of the British in all debates that had to do with secession? Wasn't Zik the Biafran Foreign Affairs Minister at the beginning of the war? And you are here arguing that Zik never supported Biafra. 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Deadlytruth(m): 7:26am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Ekealterego:Democracy is a representative venture and Zik didn't elect himself to that parliament in which he espoused Anti-secession philosophy. He was elected there not by Hausafulanis, not by Binis, not by Yorubas but by his very own Igbo people to represent them and speak for them there. So all he did and fought for were on behalf of the Igbo ethnic group. Had his position on secession and one-Nigeria run contrary to that of the generality of the Igbo nation then they would have set in motion a process to recall him. But as long as records of history is devoid of any attempt to recall him by the Igbos, then you can't ever wash Igbos' hands off his sabotage of secession attempts by the North and all other tribes. 1 Like |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 7:35am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Deadlytruth:Elections pre-independence? Are you kidding me? Can you show me the documents where Igbos voted pre-independence? In fact, Zik was more attempting to lead Yorubas because he also grew up in Lagos, he spoke more Yoruba and Hausa than Igbo and the COLONIAL MASTERS compensated him with a position in the Eastern Region which was a region of the current SE and SS, with the exception of Edo state and some parts of Delta state. Zik also fought against us the Igbos during the Civil war. He didn't stood with Nigeria because he saw himself as a Hausa, Yoruba before Igbo. |
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 7:39am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Deadlytruth:What foreign affairs, Zik sided with the Nigerian govt. Here is the receipt... In fact, he called us, "Rebels" and was part of the team supporting Nigerian govt to ask international community from selling arms to us for self-defence.
|
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (Reply)
Fulani Herdsmen Attack Ezinihitte-mbaise / Did Soludo Attend A Church Or Illuminati / Schools, Markets Shut As Sit At Home Berths In Asaba, Others (Pix, Video)
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 109 |