I know a lot of Christians till today, still think that the day of the Lord will be Apocalyptic events as portrayed by the pictures below.
But the Day of the Lord is far from that, i will explain in simple terms.

Remember, there is time for everything.
There was time for the old covenant and there is time for the new covenant where we are today.

During the old covenant era(the old testament) men used to believe that the day of Lord was going to be apocalyptic event as portrayed by the pictures below but that wasn't the case.
The day of Lord turn out to be the day Jesus was crucified and resurrected, that was for the people of the old covenant period.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The Elijah he sent was John the Baptist, he sent John the Baptist before the the day of Christ crucifixion and resurrection, which was actually the great day of the Lord, that was for people of the old covenant.

But for us who are in the new covenant, who were bought to life after the resurrection of Christ, the day of the Lord is different thing entirely.

To us, the day of the Lord refers to the day we die.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Corinthians5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved IN THE DAY OF THE LORD JESUS.

Destruction of the flesh refers to death of the believer who must have died committing sin and he is destroyed by Satan. But after that, his spirit is saved.

The summary of all what I'm saying is:
The day of the Lord isn't any apocalyptic event like rapture or whatever, infact this earth will last forever, no end.
The day of the Lord is the we die.
The day you die that is the end of your world, after that life goes on forever on this earth, no end.

No you got all wrong,any day, something happened is a day for that particular, event,in Christian beliefs, the day of the Lord, means, the day he will come, how however,he is already here

jom28gy:
No you got all wrong,any day, something happened is a day for that particular, event,in Christian beliefs, the day of the Lord, means, the day he will come, how however,he is already here

Do you have any scripture to support your claim?
We can read the whole chapter of that scripture to have proper understanding

Sabbath is simply the day of the Lord, you might be right to say when we die which is also called sabbath rest.

Lighthouse50:
Sabbath is simply the day of the Lord, you might be right to say when we die which is also called sabbath rest.

really?

Who is calling the day of the Lord Sabbath rest, Judaists or Buddhists

Yes

paxonel:
really?

Who is calling the day of the Lord Sabbath rest, Judaists or Buddhists

didnt you read revelation 1vs 10 when John said He was in spirit on the Lord's day

paxonel:

The summary of all what I'm saying is:
The day of the Lord isn't any apocalyptic event like rapture or whatever,

The day of the Lord is Clearly shown in Malachi 4:1 for while you quoted Malachi 4:5 and 6, you failed to take cognisance of Malachi 4:1 which precedes and leads up to 5 and 6!

Malachi 4:1 Clearly states "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch."

Which people commonly referred to as "Judgement Day"

And as you can see for yourself that day Shall be a Great and Dreadful day as Malachi 4:5 further Confirms!

Thus Malachi 4:1 further supported by Malachi 4:5 answers this question!

paxonel:
infact this earth will last forever, no end.

Sorry, but Revelation 21:1 says you are wrong!

This earth shall pass away and a new one created!

"I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

And Isaiah 65:17 also!

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth ; and the former things shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Which both Corroborate each other and stand as Witness to the Truth of this Fact!

paxonel:

The day of the Lord is the we die.
The day you die that is the end of your world, after that life goes on forever on this earth, no end.

I have already answered this!

truespeak:


The day of the Lord is Clearly shown in Malachi 4:1 for while you quoted Malachi 4:5 and 6, you failed to take cognisance of Malachi 4:1 which precedes and leads up to 5 and 6!

Malachi 4:1 Clearly states "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch."

I saw it!
You are right that verse 4 and 6 is a continuation of verse 1, but you have to understand that verse one was spoken figuratively that's the reason why even the people of the old testament did not understand what it was all about.
Look, so long that verse 4 is already there the way it was written that he was going to send Elijah before that great day and he shall turn the heart of son's against father's and father's against son's we saw later at the time of John the Baptist, John converted a lot of the isrealites to believe in Christ while some of them especially the Pharisees did not believe, that is what it meant.
Among the Pharisees there could be their son's who believed in Christ through the preaching John the Baptist, such son is said that his heart is turned against the religion of his father who was a Pharisees, and you know the implication of that, it's like saying a Muslim child have his heart turned against Islam to join Christianity, the father who is a Muslim may end up disowning that child.

Having said verse 1 was spoken figuratively, in the light of what i explained to you in verse 4, this is what verse one mean.

The day commeth that shall burn like oven does not necessarily mean fire burning the day, rather it meant the Jewish religion(Judaism) burning.
Actually it is not fire burning, it is ending the old covenant.Remember the Jewish religion is rooted on that old covenant God had with Abraham, that is what will burn off(ended).
What will end the old covenant?
The establishment of the new covenant through Christ, and we all know that John the Baptist started preaching Christ among the Jews, hence that's why that verse 4 was written mentioning Elijah will be sent.

Remember, Jesus Christ also said every tree that is not planted by his father shall be uprooted.
The trees there refers to religions.
Every religion including Judaism shall be rooted and burnt because Jesus is the only way.

Do you understand how it goes now?

truespeak:

Sorry, but Revelation 21:1 says you are wrong!

This earth shall pass away and a new one created!

"I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

if that is so look at this scripture.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

What are the King of the earth doing there if the earth were pass away?
Thought the earth would have passed away with his kings, what then are they doing there?

Think, it's figurative language man

I've already explained what figure of speeches are, they are like parables in the bible used to cover an intended meaning

Lighthouse50:
didnt you read revelation 1vs 10 when John said He was in spirit on the Lord's day

OK

paxonel:
if that is so look at this scripture.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

What are the King of the earth doing there if the earth were pass away?
Thought the earth would have passed away with his kings, what then are they doing there?

Think, it's figurative language man

I've already explained what figure of speeches are, they are like parables in the bible used to cover an intended meaning

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The only human "kings" or "princes" or "priests" who will humbly bring their glory (the glory that GOD gives them) into the Kingdom of GOD / the new heavens and the new earth / new Jerusalem are those whom GOD saved on the earth before the end of the age! They / we are sometimes gracefully referred to as royalty because we are adopted sons / daughters / children of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - Who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords; adopted by HIS blood.

"And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." - Revelation 1:6

"And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." -Revelation 5:10

"Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever." - Psalm 45:16-17

paxonel:
if that is so look at this scripture.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

What are the King of the earth doing there if the earth were pass away?
Thought the earth would have passed away with his kings, what then are they doing there?

Think, it's figurative language man

I've already explained what figure of speeches are, they are like parables in the bible used to cover an intended meaning

Now you have gone fraudulent to hide your wrong and have acted as though Revelation 21:24 is not founded on Revelation 21:1!

For Revelation 21:1 tells you of a new heaven and new earth and the other verses of which Revelation 21:24 is just one of them, go on to tell you of what shall be in this new heaven and earth yet you chose to act as though the earth referred to in Revelation 21:24 has not already been explained earlier in Revelation 21:1

This is very fraudulent and distasteful and unbecoming of one who calls himself a child of God!

paxonel:
I saw it!
You are right that verse 4 and 6 is a continuation of verse 1,

Thank you for admitting the Truth here!

paxonel:

but you have to understand that verse one was spoken figuratively that's the reason why even the people of the old testament did not understand what it was all about.
Look, so long that verse 4 is already there the way it was written that he was going to send Elijah before that great day and he shall turn the heart of son's against father's and father's against son's we saw later at the time of John the Baptist, John converted a lot of the isrealites to believe in Christ while some of them especially the Pharisees did not believe, that is what it meant.
Among the Pharisees there could be their son's who believed in Christ through the preaching John the Baptist, such son is said that his heart is turned against the religion of his father who was a Pharisees, and you know the implication of that, it's like saying a Muslim child have his heart turned against Islam to join Christianity, the father who is a Muslim may end up disowning that child.

Having said verse 1 was spoken figuratively, in the light of what i explained to you in verse 4, this is what verse one mean.

The day commeth that shall burn like oven does not necessarily mean fire burning the day, rather it meant the Jewish religion(Judaism) burning.
Actually it is not fire burning, it is ending the old covenant.Remember the Jewish religion is rooted on that old covenant God had with Abraham, that is what will burn off(ended).
What will end the old covenant?
The establishment of the new covenant through Christ, and we all know that John the Baptist started preaching Christ among the Jews, hence that's why that verse 4 was written mentioning Elijah will be sent.

Remember, Jesus Christ also said every tree that is not planted by his father shall be uprooted.
The trees there refers to religions.
Every religion including Judaism shall be rooted and burnt because Jesus is the only way.

Do you understand how it goes now?

Now you hide under figurative to cover yourself as you did in your other post which I have addressed!

It did not cover you there and it does not cover you here!

The Bible has Clearly spoken for itself and Counters you!

Thus since the Bible has spoken, any other testimony is inadmissible and unacceptable including yours!

We Stand by and with the Records as contained in the Bible!

truespeak:


Thank you for admitting the Truth here!



Now you hide under figurative to cover yourself as you did in your other post which I have addressed!

I do not have any reason to hide under figurative language as my aim her is to encourage people to Love God's creation and replenish the earth, rather than to seek for it destruction through rapture or any kind of apocalyptic event

It did not cover you there and it does not cover you here!

The Bible has Clearly spoken for itself and Counters you!

Thus since the Bible has spoken, any other testimony is inadmissible and unacceptable including yours!

We Stand by and with the Records as contained in the Bible!

anyway, I'll see the other post

truespeak:


Now you have gone fraudulent to hide your wrong and have acted as though Revelation 21:24 is not founded on Revelation 21:1!

For Revelation 21:1 tells you of a new heaven and new earth and the other verses of which Revelation 21:24 is just one of them, go on to tell you of what shall be in this new heaven and earth yet you chose to act as though the earth referred to in Revelation 21:24 has not already been explained earlier in Revelation 21:1

This is very fraudulent and distasteful and unbecoming of one who calls himself a child of God!

what is your point here?
Are you trying to say that because Revelation 21:1 mentioned new heaven and new earth then Revelation 21:24 referred to a new earth other than this earth we are living?

Question : who were these kings mentioned in Revelation 21:24?
Where they created along with the new earth?

xproducer:


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The only human "kings" or "princes" or "priests" who will humbly bring their glory (the glory that GOD gives them) into the Kingdom of GOD / the new heavens and the new earth / new Jerusalem are those whom GOD saved on the earth before the end of the age! They / we[b]are sometimes gracefully referred to as royalty because we are adopted sons / daughters / children of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - Who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords; adopted by HIS blood.

"[b]And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." - Revelation 1:6

"And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." -Revelation 5:10

"Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever." - Psalm 45:16-17

wait o!

Please check the emboldened you use.
They/ we

Let's identify who is who here

They refers to the kings of the earth mentioned in Revelation 21:24

We refers to the children of the kingdom, are you saying that both they are we were redeemed by the blood of Lamb?

paxonel:
wait o!

Please check the emboldened you use.
They/ we

Let's identify who is who here

They refers to the kings of the earth mentioned in Revelation 21:24

We refers to the children of the kingdom, are you saying that both they are we were redeemed by the blood of Lamb?

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In stating "they /we" I am referring to ALL the true children / redeemed of GOD by His mercy, grace and faith.

All human beings who are saved throughout time are saved by One Savior only - The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - dating back to Enoch (although “The Lord knows those who are His” - 2 Timothy 2:19). The Lord JESUS gives an illustration with Abraham!

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad. Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” - John 8:56-58

It is possible for the Lord JESUS, the Almighty (Revelations 1:7-8 ) to save all humanity because He has the power to do so, and is the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." - Revelation 13:8 (also see 1 Peter 1:20)

"one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." - Ephesians 4:5-6

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

xproducer:


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In stating "they /we" I am referring to ALL the true children of GOD by faith and grace.

All human beings who are saved throughout time are saved by One Savior only - The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - dating back to Enoch (although “The Lord knows those who are His” - 2 Timothy 2:19). The Lord JESUS gives an illustration with Abraham!

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad. Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” - John 8:56-58

"one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." - Ephesians 4:5-6

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

Please read the statement again

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved(talking about the saved people) shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth(talking about visitors from the earth who are not part of the saved people) do bring their glory and honour into it.

Please look at again and tell me what you think, because what I'm seeing there is that :
1. The saved people are part of this new Jerusalem
2. The kings of the earth there are mere visitors and not part of the new Jerusalem who bring their glory to it

I think this differences is clearly understood in that scripture.

Now, truespeak is yet to tell where do these kings of the earth come from?
Where they created new with the new earth?

paxonel:


Now, truespeak is yet to tell where do these kings of the earth come from?
Where they created new with the new earth?

I have already answered you on the issue between us which was

paxonel:
infact this earth will last forever, no end.

To which I responded:
Sorry, but Revelation 21:1 says you are wrong!

This earth shall pass away and a new one created!

"I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

And Isaiah 65:17 also!

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth ; and the former things shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Which both Corroborate each other and stand as Witness to the Truth of this Fact!

You then sought to fraudulently rely on Revelation 21:24 as though it was not coming from Revelation 21: 1 to which I have answered you thus clearly settling the issue between us that there shall be a new heaven and earth, now you seek to change the issue to these new issues which was not the issue in contention!

My case is done!

truespeak:


I have already answered you on the issue between us which was

paxonel:
infact this earth will last forever, no end.

To which I responded:
Sorry, but Revelation 21:1 says you are wrong!

This earth shall pass away and a new one created!

"I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

And Isaiah 65:17 also!

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth ; and the former things shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Which both Corroborate each other and stand as Witness to the Truth of this Fact!

You then sought to fraudulently rely on Revelation 21:24 as though it was not coming from Revelation 21: 1 to which I have answered you thus clearly settling the issue between us that there shall be a new heaven and earth, now you seek to change the issue to these new issues which was not the issue in contention!

My case is done!

anyway,
I understand your plight i was there before

You see, someone who has not read the bible wholistically but some few parts will say I'm fraudent because he has not read everything like i have done.

The bible is contextual.
Every scripture at some point has a link to another scripture which confirms it.

This is my submission,
The new heaven and the new earth you saw in Revelation 21:1 figuratively refers to God's kingdom.
In the real sense, that kingdom is right inside us on this earth.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

that's why the kings of the earth can bring their glory : meaning, we have the kingdom in us
We interact with other people on this earth including kings who are not part of God's kingdom, who are not believers or saved and they bring their glory to us

Take it or leave it

paxonel:
anyway,
I understand your plight i was there before

You see, someone who has not read the bible wholistically but some few parts will say I'm fraudent because he has not read everything like i have done.

The bible is contextual.
Every scripture at some point has a link to another scripture which confirms it.

This is my submission,
The new heaven and the new earth you saw in Revelation 21:1 figuratively refers to God's kingdom.
In the real sense, that kingdom is right inside us on this earth.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

that's why the kings of the earth can bring their glory : meaning, we have the kingdom in us
We interact with other people on this earth including kings who are not part of God's kingdom, who are not believers or saved and they bring their glory to us

Take it or leave it

As I said before my case is done!

Nothing more to be addressed!

paxonel:

Do you have any scripture to support your claim?
We can read the whole chapter of that scripture to have proper understanding

I will do that

jom28gy:
I will do that

please do

Destruction of the flesh does not mean death,