davidnazee:
[s]The only person that buys your nonsense is you..[/s]

TAO11:
We must be willing to pay close attention to what our fathers mean when they say Oduduwa is our father.

First of all Oduduwa has parents, he also in the context of a time and space with his contemporaries around the 11th century — just 11th century here.

Secondly, what is meant when our elders regard him as our father is NOT that that he gave rise to his own parents, ancestors, wives, contemporaries, and every single Yoruba living today. Our elders obviously didn’t mean that. That’s obvious enough at this point.

What our elders mean then by regarding hims as our father is that he played an extremely pivotal & significant role which completely transforming Ife and (by extension) Yoruba civilization in the most significant era of our history, viz. the late 10th century / early 11th century.

And because Obatala (a contemporary of Oduduwa) also played the same role (but to a lesser degree) around the same period, he also was elevated by the Yoruba people to that lofty status of father.

This use of the word is not in the sense that Obatala and Oduduwa gave rise to all Yorubas alive today. Of course the other people of their time we’re not impotent. They all have their descendants as well.

Cheers!

budaatum:
Many are not aware of the conflict in Yorubaland between Obatalans and Oduduwans. I guess that's because it's no more a big deal because many are not aware of their history, and even miss tge symbolism when it is right before their eyes.

Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned.

budaatum:
••• By the way, does anyone know what we named the people of the bush?

budaatum:
What amuses me is this assumption that all Yorubas originated from Oduduwa, when some hold on to Obatala as their origin.

Pity we do not teach history in our Nigerian schools I suppose, but intelligent individuals can still bother to educate themselves.

By the way, does anyone know what we named the people of the bush?

Olu317:
Perhaps it is seemingly true if one consider both patrilineal and matrilneal lineages but I dont think all Yorubas accept that ideology because some I have come across in real life and online did identified with Obatala as their ancestor.

budaatum:
Many are not aware of the conflict in Yorubaland between Obatalans and Oduduwans. I guess that's because it's no more a big deal because many are not aware of their history, and even miss the symbolism when it is right before their eyes.

Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned.

budaatum:


Let us be honest. Most Yorubas may have heard of Oduduwa and Obatala, but know nothing about their origin, since neither is really the origin of the Yorubas.

Its like we read and some believe that God created Adam and Eve and therefore all human beings. Those who bother to investigate however, will find otherwise, but this remains the template used to determine the origin of most tribes.

Quite a lot of "history" is going to be written the more knowledgeable and wiser we become.

gregyboy:
The origin of Oduduwa like everyone believed to be from ife was actually a big false lie
The europeans had contact with the vast yorubas as early as 1826 and there was no mention of Oduduwa
Though they had contact with some Yorubas like ijebu, itsekiri aworis but they never mentioned or heard Oduduwa narrative from them. The ife people as we know where the most religious people in the ancient yoruba time,
And they were accorded respect by some yorubas, the ife people worshiped ifa, which had is derivative from the name ife, the worship of oduduwa never existed and the artworks found in ife were purchased by the ifa priest from art vendors who used them for religious purposes those artworks was never made in ife


The man who invented Oduduwa was samuel Johnson in 1897 an oyo captured slave who was schooled in lodon, and was later given his freedom back to Africa, He had formed Oduduwa from his imagination to falsely unit the yorubas into one, he had seen the future on European occupation in Africa and there was a need to prepare them a for a country by giving them a sense of unity in the future
The Benin claim to oduduwa was also false this was done when the bins at early times around 1915 sought political support from the yorubas and they were automatically grouped also as Oduduwa children


Oromiyan on the other hand is an idol from oyo believe to be their predecessor

Anyone with a contrary opinion should bring evidence



Tao11
Macof
Fezz
Etrusen

TAO11:
And David-the-Dullard is butthurt and heartbroken again.

davidnazee:
[s]Lol.. see as body dey pepper u. anybody that doesn't believe your stories is a dullard.[/s]

[s]hope u know that from survey, 50% of yorubas doesn't believe u or agree with your revised history.[/s]

TAO11:
Nope!

[s]Virtually all Binis on Nairaland are DULLARDS[/s].
Aww poor and frustrated TAO11. Everyone knows Yorubas believe Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from Mecca. You can't change the narrative..
Ask around if you don't believe me.

davidnazee:
Virtually all Binis on Nairaland are DULLARDS.

[Aww poor and frustrated tao11.

Everyone knows Yorubas believe Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from Mecca. You can't change the narrative... Ask around if you don't believe me.

TAO11:


Anyways, I just asked around and guess what I found from historians of African & Yoruba History:

“All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are NOW generally agreed that ... It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.

davidnazee:
[s]Hahaha TAO12 the embarrassed yoruba liar don come again..
By "NOW" do you mean 2021 or 2020. Your "now" narrative came to late.. we Nigerians know Dumb yoruba dullards think Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from mecca[/s]

TAO11:
The fact that you BiNis think (in a literal sense) that Ogiso-Igodo fell from the sky to Benin and that IDU grew out from Benin soil, should not be projected on your Yoruba slave-masters.

Having said that, see below:

My slave, it does not take a genius to figure out the root cause of your agony on my scholarly submission.

Everyone reading can actually see through the tears behind the “Hahahha” you typed.

Having punched that in, whenever you encounter the symbols “ and “ at the start & end of a statement, then be informed from now on that such words are not the writer’s own words.

So, the word ‘now’ within that statement I quoted is obviously not mine, okay? Good boy. I did not expect you to know that.

Secondly, I’m not sure how history works in Beninland, but here in Yorubaland laymen don’t decide historical conclusions; historians do.

And historians reach such conclusions by collecting & analyzing the aboriginal narrative about the actual people involved from they themselves.

And the aboriginal narrative of the Yorubas regarding Oduduwa’s historical roots depicts him as having his roots on the soil of Yorubaland.

This is the extant narrative on which the up-to-date conclusions of the world’s historical scholarship on African/Yoruba History was based to say that:

“It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.

I asked you to cry me five (5) different oceans. What are you still waiting for?

davidnazee:
[s]Listen little brain, You Yorubas and yoruba historians started your narrative too late, even the Edo Oduduwa story is older than yours..
First it was Oduduwa fell from sky/trekked from mecca (pre 1930s), Ododuwa is Edo prince (post 1930s) and Oduduwa was born on Yoruba soil (yoruba revisionist 2020/2021)..
Sorry your new story doesn't carry wait.. Oduduwa is either a meccan or skycrew (illogical) or an Edo prince (very logical).[/s]

TAO11:
Eeeeehnhn-ehn?? ??

Even Igala folks too (like Binis, Igbos, et al.) also want a share of this our Oduduwa ??

Make una no worry, las las we go leave this our very Oduduwa for una.

Who no like better thing??
———————
PS:
But next time forge a non-contradictory script about Oduduwa, and your anti-rot everlasting stool.

Not this lame script of he is a Bini with an Igala name. What about you make up your f**cking mind? LMAO!

Abi you be another Bini miscreant masquerading as Igala ni ??

babtoundey:
The guy story is very upsetting. He they do me like make I eslap the idiot from here.

TAO11:
Give internet access to an idiot. That’s what you get.

Damovintrain:
What if I tell you that Ife originally is located at Kogi? And odudua was an Igala name that's Odu du WA meaning God's gifts.
hear how it started.

The so called Oduduwa was a bini Prince who had quarrels with his younger brother on who would succeed the late king their father.
The younger began to sort means of harming the elder and was overwhelming the later. So the elder decided to leave the fight and allow his brother ruling instead of shedding blood.

On his way running, he was caught by Ogala Kingdom boundary security guard.
So after asking him who he was and where he came from, he feared not to be returned back to his bini people, so he said he was God sent or from God.
So immediately, the guards rushed him to the king as he repeated the name as God sent.

After some while in Ogala now Igala Kingdom, the king gave him his daughter to marry with an allotted land to farm known as Ife.
There he bore children and feared that soon if he didn't change environment, his people would one-day know about this and come for him.

So he ran with his wife and children to the now known Ile Ife that's Ife house or home of Ife.
So meeting some Yoruba's there who were fighting war with the hope of finding a saviour, Odudua introduced himself as the sent from God.
They asked for signs to proof his claim, he took them to a mountain top and instructed a rope to come out of the sky which he told them was his means of transportation to earth. Though some believed he got these magical powers from his bini Kingdom while others held it that the Ogala people who practiced Ifa (traditional religion of sand, water and air ).

So after he lead them to battle which was won, he was installed as king.

He was ruling when the bini people learnt their king was ruling another land successfully. So they came begging he follows them back but he refused rather asked one of his sons to go on his stead who was later killed.


Till tomorrow in Ile Ife, there's a stool that no Yoruba person can sit on except a bini extract.

And only a bini person can coronate an Ife Oba...

Sorry I can't keep names and dates of this story... So no dates and names like the Ogala king,bini late king then etc

Fezz:


See how you dissected a simple name "oduduwa" to odu ti o da iwa. You guys are clowns. You are plainly fabricators, trying to give yoruba meanings to every name you come across. Very funny post

gregyboy:
The origin of Oduduwa like everyone believed to be from ife was actually a big false lie
The europeans had contact with the vast yorubas as early as 1826 and there was no mention of Oduduwa
Though they had contact with some Yorubas like ijebu, itsekiri aworis but they never mentioned or heard Oduduwa narrative from them. The ife people as we know where the most religious people in the ancient yoruba time,
And they were accorded respect by some yorubas, the ife people worshiped ifa, which had is derivative from the name ife, the worship of oduduwa never existed and the artworks found in ife were purchased by the ifa priest from art vendors who used them for religious purposes those artworks was never made in ife


The man who invented Oduduwa was samuel Johnson in 1897 an oyo captured slave who was schooled in lodon, and was later given his freedom back to Africa, He had formed Oduduwa from his imagination to falsely unit the yorubas into one, he had seen the future on European occupation in Africa and there was a need to prepare them a for a country by giving them a sense of unity in the future
The Benin claim to oduduwa was also false this was done when the bins at early times around 1915 sought political support from the yorubas and they were automatically grouped also as Oduduwa children


Oromiyan on the other hand is an idol from oyo believe to be their predecessor

Anyone with a contrary opinion should bring evidence



Tao11
Macof
Fezz
Etrusen

SirNewtonNG:


Just look at the anger because a yoruba person breaks down the etymology of a yoruba word. So angry and insecure because you know it destroys the foolish fantasies you have been brainwashed with. Oduduwa is clearly a yoruba name you fool. Has no meaning in indigenous bini language same as manbmy of your king names and words which only have meaning in yoruba language. Clown!

TAO11

christistruth01:
Tao11

The King of Accra ( GA ) went to visit Ile Ife their Source

He was said to have migrated to the Accra Area with 7 of his brothers from Ile Ife

and was a descendant of Oduduwa


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMaOX7W6Vwo

christistruth01:
Tao11

The King of Accra ( GA ) went to visit Ile Ife their Source

He was said to have migrated to the Accra Area with 7 of his brothers from Ile Ife

and was a descendant of Oduduwa


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMaOX7W6Vwo

Theplotter:
[s]What if I tell you that Ife originally is located at Kogi? And odudua was an Igala name that's Odu du WA meaning God's gifts.
hear how it started.

The so called Oduduwa was a bini Prince who had quarrels with his younger brother on who would succeed the late king their father.
The younger began to sort means of harming the elder and was overwhelming the later. So the elder decided to leave the fight and allow his brother ruling instead of shedding blood.

On his way running, he was caught by Ogala Kingdom boundary security guard.
So after asking him who he was and where he came from, he feared not to be returned back to his bini people, so he said he was God sent or from God.
So immediately, the guards rushed him to the king as he repeated the name as God sent.

After some while in Ogala now Igala Kingdom, the king gave him his daughter to marry with an allotted land to farm known as Ife.
There he bore children and feared that soon if he didn't change environment, his people would one-day know about this and come for him.

So he ran with his wife and children to the now known Ile Ife that's Ife house or home of Ife.
So meeting some Yoruba's there who were fighting war with the hope of finding a saviour, Odudua introduced himself as the sent from God.
They asked for signs to proof his claim, he took them to a mountain top and instructed a rope to come out of the sky which he told them was his means of transportation to earth. Though some believed he got these magical powers from his bini Kingdom while others held it that the Ogala people who practiced Ifa (traditional religion of sand, water and air ).

So after he lead them to battle which was won, he was installed as king.

He was ruling when the bini people learnt their king was ruling another land successfully. So they came begging he follows them back but he refused rather asked one of his sons to go on his stead who was later killed.

Till tomorrow in Ile Ife, there's a stool that no Yoruba person can sit on except a bini extract.

And only a bini person can coronate an Ife Oba...

Sorry I can't keep names and dates of this story... So no dates and names like the Ogala king,bini late king then etc[/s]