Good morning noble !

You can hire whoever you like. Try a professional baba lati to draw your house if that suits you. But, if you are looking to have someone prepare a set of architectural drawings that are done by someone trained, registered, and licensed to design houses that not only protect public health and safety of its occupants but meet standards required by the law for approval and not some jankara drawing, then an Architect is advised.

I agree that some “noble” draughtsman are quite competent and some architects are incompetent but regardless of how good a draughtsman is, the general levels of their training are not comparable - not meant to be anyway.

This has nothing to do with nobility. It’s just the plain truth no matter how much we try to sugarcoat it.

Anyway, you’re doing a noble thing if you are engaging in conversation with a desire to understand rather than persuade.

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tonididdy:

Oga ya'all be relaxing.
Noble doesn't always mean expensive either.

10,000 is expensive to you? Please do you know the inflation rate in the country at the moment?

The building in question is not even a bungalow. The draughtsman has to work on ground floor and upper floor, moving spaces and creating new ones.

I think I'll drop this issue for now. Architects should come and defend their profession. After spending 7 years in school, someone offers you 10,000 to tinker on a building plan. Na wa o...

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MrOkenwa:

Sir, is this quote still valid . I’m thinking of buying some pieces before my contractor gets to this stage.

Wisdom is profitable.

Why wait till you get to the stage when you can buy now?

A very smart move.

KolaShangOne:


Noble profession but you want to pay home 10,000 naira to effect changes that involves alot of brain work / tinkering.

An original Autocad software costs thousands of dollars. I know we use fake. If I were the one, I won't even open my laptop if someone offered me 10,000 for design changes in this 2021.

I'm sure Oga Diordaves is abroad. But 10,000 naira is you looking down in that noble profession.

The same abroad that they pay more?

n3xt:


Wisdom is profitable.

Why wait till you get to the stage when you can buy now?

A very smart move.

Thank you for your updates on prices sir. I did same on cement, when you alerted us here few weeks ago, saved about 80k.

MrOkenwa:

Thank you for your updates on prices sir. I did same on cement, when you alerted us here few weeks ago, saved about 80k.

My client by now would have saved over 400k on blocks alone on the XL6 Trillion project.

9 inches block is currently sold at 280/block and we kept the price at 200 naira/block definitely not because I’m stupid or trying to show off but to keep the project moving without blowing budget.

We are actually plowing back the savings from block production to keep the work moving.

There’s nothing more frustrating than starting a project without knowing how it’ll end just because you can’t effectively map out strategies to sustain the project in case of eventualities.

I hate surprises.


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MrOkenwa:

Sir, is this quote still valid . I’m thinking of buying some pieces before my contractor gets to this stage.

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Pompoms:
Thank you for your responses. The building is a duplex and I'd to post the plan here so I can be advised accordingly.
The foundation and flooring has been done but now I want to modify it to:

* Include a gym with big windows ,
* Move the Maid's room "inside".
* Eliminate the guest room downstairs.
* Maintain 3 bedrooms upstairs.
* Reposition the study and laundry room, if need be.
* Master bedroom to access the balcony.
* Modern staircase.
With looooots of natural light. (I hope I'm not asking for too much).
Please, see attached photos. Many thanks.

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Madam, to the best of my knowledge, this design here is faulty and should be remedied.
It lacks privacy and direction of flow of activities.
The living room is more of a circulation lobby than a living room.
Design of this nature doesn't require an emergency stairs, even if you insist on having one, it shouldn't be a spiral stairs. The position of the emergency stairs is entirely off.
Laundry not well positioned.
Main staircase not well positioned.
On the first floor new walls were imposed on the suspended floor covering the living room, this will pose serious structural failure if not well handled.
Let the Architect work on the Functional flow and relationship of this spaces please.

Please involve an Architect and a structural engineer to resolve all these before you continue with this project.
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MrDraey:
Good day all,

Please can 1m take a 2bedroom bungalow from foundation to finishing of block work (2bed, two toilet, dining and kitchen)?

Note; No German floor, the land is a 50 x 50 ft, flat ground and not water logged.

Currently N1million can't achieve it.
But with N2million now it is done and dusted.Exactly your specification,no addition!

Hmmm...have you sighted the structural design of the suspended slab to come to this conclusion @ bolded?
For all you know, the first floor slab design may have beams in place to support those new partitions. Afterall, there's nothing that says the layout of the floors has to be typical.

While the general layout may not be the most optimal, the changes desired are not a big deal at all and easily achievable with minor tweaks provided the original structural design was robust in the first place, if done at all.

@ Pompoms

UC92:
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Madam, to the best of my knowledge, this design here is faulty and should be remedied.
It lacks privacy and direction of flow of activities.
The living room is more of a circulation lobby than a living room.
Design of this nature doesn't require an emergency stairs, even if you insist on having one, it shouldn't be a spiral stairs. The position of the emergency stairs is entirely off.
Laundry not well positioned.
Main staircase not well positioned.
On the first floor new walls were imposed on the suspended floor covering the living room, this will pose serious structural failure if not well handled.
Let the Architect work on the Functional flow and relationship of this spaces please.

Please involve an Architect and a structural engineer to resolve all these before you continue with this project.
God bless you.

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Pompoms:
Thank you for your responses. The building is a duplex and I'd to post the plan here so I can be advised accordingly.
The foundation and flooring has been done but now I want to modify it to:

* Include a gym with big windows ,
* Move the Maid's room "inside".
* Eliminate the guest room downstairs.
* Maintain 3 bedrooms upstairs.
* Reposition the study and laundry room, if need be.
* Master bedroom to access the balcony.
* Modern staircase.
With looooots of natural light. (I hope I'm not asking for too much).
Please, see attached photos. Many thanks.

You’ll need your architect and a very good structural engineer ma/sir. Pls kindly disregard the advice of those telling you to do otherwise.

I don’t see you achieving loooooots of natural lights with the current design. Your upper floor will be so dark, you’ll need artificial lighting to access madams bedroom during daytime.

Having 2 windows in all room is not a guarantee you’d have natural lighting in all rooms. Remember you’ll pass through the stair and the lobby before you access the rooms.

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I just had time to go through the design.

@pompoms


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n3xt:



You’ll need your architect and a very good structural engineer ma/sir. Pls kindly disregard the advice of those telling you to do otherwise.

I don’t see you achieving loooooots of natural lights with the current design. Your upper floor will be so dark, you’ll need artificial lighting to access madams bedroom during daytime.

Having 2 windows in all room is not a guarantee you’d have natural lighting in all rooms. Remember you’ll pass through the stair and the lobby before you access the rooms.

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I just had time to go through the design.

I know the person who clicked “like”

We just worked on a more complex design 2 - 3 days ago and we were able to solve here problem without fuss.

The architect is happy, the client is happy. Everyone is treated with mutual respect.

megacontrol:
Happy holidays people,

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We need to set ~900 blocks to push through during the holidays as the main crew had to take the break.

Will be glad for any recommendations of someone that is available immediately from tomorrow through Sat/Sun.

Thanks

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KolaShangOne:


Noble profession but you want to pay home 10,000 naira to effect changes that involves alot of brain work / tinkering.

An original Autocad software costs thousands of dollars. I know we use fake. If I were the one, I won't even open my laptop if someone offered me 10,000 for design changes in this 2021.

I'm sure Oga Diordaves is abroad. But 10,000 naira is you looking down in that noble profession.

So how much do you think will be appropriate for the changes asked for? 10,000 is not set in stone. It is a point of bargain. KolaShangOne, eyes dey red all over, so service providers should be flexible in their approach to billing or risk going under. The economy today is not strong to support exorbitant and rigid pricing.

megacontrol:
Hmmm...have you sighted the structural design of the suspended slab to come to this conclusion @ bolded?
For all you know, the first floor slab design may have beams in place to support those new partitions. Afterall, there's nothing that says the layout of the floors has to be typical.

While the general layout may not be the most optimal, the changes desired are not a big deal at all and easily achievable with minor tweaks provided the original structural design was robust in the first place, if done at all.

@ Pompoms

I only said it will pose a challenge if not well handled. Not contesting your statement.

n3xt:
Good morning noble !

You can hire whoever you like. Try a professional baba lati to draw your house if that suits you. But, if you are looking to have someone prepare a set of architectural drawings that are done by someone trained, registered, and licensed to design houses that not only protect public health and safety of its occupants but meet standards required by the law for approval and not some jankara drawing, then an Architect is advised.

I agree that some “noble” draughtsman are quite competent and some architects are incompetent but regardless of how good a draughtsman is, the general levels of their training are not comparable - not meant to be anyway.

This has nothing to do with nobility. It’s just the plain truth no matter how much we try to sugarcoat it.

Anyway, you’re doing a noble thing if you are engaging in conversation with a desire to understand rather than persuade.

You are missing the point.

The enquiry from pompoms involves changes to a drawing ALREADY done presumably by an architect. As a digress, your other post is already poopooing this drawing. Is that not a contradiction of this response?

The changes pompoms requires can be done by the same architect (this is what I said), but if the architect is inflexible and not reasonable with the billing, a draftsman can be an excellent option at a fraction of the price. The changes are just cosmetic. There is already an approved plan.

n3xt:



You’ll need your architect and a very good structural engineer ma/sir. Pls kindly disregard the advice of those telling you to do otherwise.

I don’t see you achieving loooooots of natural lights with the current design. Your upper floor will be so dark, you’ll need artificial lighting to access madams bedroom during daytime.

Having 2 windows in all room is not a guarantee you’d have natural lighting in all rooms. Remember you’ll pass through the stair and the lobby before you access the rooms.

_______

I just had time to go through the design.

Nice one sir.
Earlier when I quoted the woman that the building won't be very easy to amend, I was nearly prosecuted here.
No be bungalow na.
To thoroughly do justice to the probs you identified, it's possible the shape changes.

diordaves:


You are missing the point.

The enquiry from pompoms involves changes to a drawing ALREADY done presumably by an architect. As a digress, your other post is already poopooing this drawing. Is that not a contradiction of this response?

The changes pompoms requires can be done by the same architect (this is what I said), but if the architect is inflexible and not reasonable with the billing, a draftsman can be an excellent option at a fraction of the price. The changes are just cosmetic. There is already an approved plan.

I kuku know wetin I dey talk. Na you no get me.

If you say this in 1980 - 90s, I’d understand. I was once a draftsman for my dad and all we need is blade to edit drawings.

Nowadays, you need access to the CAD files to do an edit. I’m only at loss on how a draftsman who do no have access to the CAD files can reproduce a drawing he didn’t produce.

My guess is he’d just do everything in assumption. Sebi decking na decking and the request is just to move wall from point A to B.

n3xt:



You’ll need your architect and a very good structural engineer ma/sir. Pls kindly disregard the advice of those telling you to do otherwise.

I don’t see you achieving loooooots of natural lights with the current design. Your upper floor will be so dark, you’ll need artificial lighting to access madams bedroom during daytime.

Having 2 windows in all room is not a guarantee you’d have natural lighting in all rooms. Remember you’ll pass through the stair and the lobby before you access the rooms.

_______


I just had time to go through the design.

Probably the design was done by the so called Draughtsman.

diordaves:


So how much do you think will be appropriate for the changes asked for? 10,000 is not set in stone. It is a point of bargain. KolaShangOne, eyes dey red all over, so service providers should be flexible in their approach to billing or risk going under. The economy today is not strong to support exorbitant and rigid pricing.

I appreciate your reply. It is very mature. You don earn my respect.

Thanks Kenny.

Will speak to him.

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Noted.

UC92:
I only said it will pose a challenge if not well handled. Not contesting your statement.

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Happy holidays people,

Pls I need a mason that can do block setting jobs over the holidays & weekend in Lekki.

We need to set ~900 blocks to push through during the holidays as the main crew had to take the break.

Will be glad for any recommendations of someone that is available immediately from tomorrow through Sat/Sun.

Thanks

uncleteeh:

Probably the design was done by the so called Draughtsman.

Don't look down the professional ladder with ridicule. There is a marked difference between an architect and a draughtsman. This is not contestable. However, each has its role in the building and technical trade.

We know an Architect is required to study at a university for 5 -7 years with a minimum of two years of practical experience in an Architect’s office before they can sit registration exams, allowing them to practice independently. Or something close. A good degree in Architecture will normally focus on studying form, functions, and the three-dimensional interpretation of space. We also know that an Architect is better at seeing the entire scope of the project and design, contemplating not only the size of a space but also the flow of the layout, the functionality of the space.

However, this is not to look down on a draughtsman. A Draughtsman will typically study a two-year diploma in drafting at a technical school or Polytechnic. A Draughtsman, being trained in technical drawing and construction, will produce drawings that will work, but MAY lack the creativity and ingenuity in design. An architect can also fall prey to this as well.

If the project is a big construction project, particularly if it’s a commercial build, an architect is recommended. This is to ensure the construction is built safely, with the correct materials, and abides by all necessary building regulations. However, if the project is relatively simple like a bungalow or merely looking to renovate or make changes to a home, an experienced draughtsman can be an excellent option at a fraction of the price.

n3xt:


I kuku know wetin I dey talk. Na you no get me.

If you say this in 1980 - 90s, I’d understand. I was once a draftsman for my dad and all we need is blade to edit drawings.

Nowadays, you need access to the CAD files to do an edit. I’m only at loss on how a draftsman who do no have access to the CAD files can reproduce a drawing he didn’t produce.

My guess is he’d just do everything in assumption. Sebi decking na decking and the request is just to move wall from point A to B.

How do you know this?

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