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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:39pm On May 22, 2021
Odunayaw:
Wish him a HBD an move on ogbeni

Abi oooo my good man, Ayo... grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:48pm On May 22, 2021
chrisooblog:
Doc what do you mean? surely you must know that Ndidi doesn't hold a candle to Azubuike Xavi/Iniesta/Modric Okechukwu the only midfielder to conduct a midfield from the safety of the bench what a player! what a man!! what a legend!!! cry cry cry cry tongue


I refuse to laugh at this. grin


Me holding that laugh...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:55pm On May 22, 2021
Please, Azubuike Okechukwu is actually not a bad player. He just needs to return to getting regular playing time to keep showing and enhancing his qualities.

But the truth is mentioning him (a benchwarmer at Basaksehir - last started for them on Feb 19) in same sentence with Wilfred Ndidi right now is really diabolical.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 3:56pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:



That's a vague question but I will try and be concise. Ndidi only/mostly excel with tackles and blocks. His passing game needs more improvements to reach world class. He is simply above average and I am being nice.

I am sorry, I don't rate Ndidi very high but he can still prove me wrong.

Great, I would actually agree with you that he's above average but not world class.

For me, a world class player is one that is able to sustain brilliant performance and numbers at the highest career stages i.e World cup, Champions league etc.

So once a player has had big numbers consistently in the local league, cup games (and world cup of applicable), and has had great numbers in the champions League as well for at least three seasons, he is world class!

Typical example for an attacker (bar long term injuries);

Local league games for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals in each season

and

Champions League appearance for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals (or close) combined in all three seasons.

And

Cup games (and world cup if applicable) during the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals combined in all three season.


Based in these standard, Jamie Vardy isn't world class!

Mbappe is world class!
Mbappe stats in the past three season;

Ligue1 = Has scored over 20 close or close to that in each of the past 3 season.
Check

Champions League = has scored close to 20 goals combined in the past 3 seasons
Check.

Cup games and world cup = scored close to 20 goals combined
Check.

Result = World class!


The above stat is a reference just for strikers.
Midfielders, defenders goal keepers have their separate reference stats for categorising a player as world class.

I really do not have the time to write up the reference stats for midfielders, defenders etc.

But really, we here need to have our own definition of a world class player as this has been a widely used term without clear definition.

I just threw a first stab at it and mine can be used as a preliminary.

We should make the definition, modify it, agree and sticky it somewhere as a standard. So when next anyone will call a player world class he can first consult on our standard grin

P.S. Ndidi would have to feature consistently in the big games and do what he does best in the world stage before he can be confirmed as world class. For now he isn't.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 3:59pm On May 22, 2021
TheSuperNerd:


I refuse to laugh at this. grin


Me holding that laugh...

Please laugh it out you cannot hold it with the way u am seeing things

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 3:59pm On May 22, 2021
mank1234:


Funniest comment of the year. The comedy is even written in capital.
If he wasn't s Nigerian, you did be here extolling him. Well done sir

First of all , I am the proudest African you can ever meet in your entire life and everyone here knows that but I know when to call a spade a spade. They even call me a racist....lol Ndidi doesn't doesn't command a strong presence in that team neither does he with Super Eagles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:01pm On May 22, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Please, Azubuike Okechukwu is actually not a bad player. He just needs to return to getting regular playing time to keep showing and enhancing his qualities.

But the truth is mentioning him (a benchwarmer at Basaksehir - last started for them on Feb 19) in same sentence with Wilfred Ndidi right now is really diabolical.


He is not a bad player

There was a time I argued with emeka about him ,I was even glad the Instanbul club signed him on a permanent after they won the Turkish league last season , he has been struggling with injuries

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:03pm On May 22, 2021
Beloved3:


Great, I would actually agree with you that he's above average but not world class.

For me, a world class player is one that is able to sustain brilliant performance and numbers at the highest career stages i.e World cup, Champions league etc.

So once a player has had big numbers consistently in the local league, cup games (and world cup of applicable), and has had great numbers in the champions League as well for at least three seasons, he is world class!

Typical example for an attacker (bar long term injuries);

Local league games for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals in each season

and

Champions League appearance for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals (or close) combined in all three seasons.

And

Cup games (and world cup if applicable) during the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals combined in all three season.


Based in these standard, Jamie Vardy isn't world class!

Mbappe is world class!
Mbappe stats in the past three season;

Ligue1 = Has scored over 20 close or close to that in each of the past 3 season.
Check

Champions League = has scored close to 20 goals combined in the past 3 seasons
Check.

Cup games and world cup = scored close to 20 goals combined
Check.

Result = World class!


The above stat is a reference just for strikers.
Midfielders, defenders goal keepers have their separate reference stats for categorising a player as world class.

I really do not have the time to write up the reference stats for midfielders, defenders etc.

But really, we here need to have our own definition of a world class player as this has been a widely used term without clear definition.

I just threw a first stab at it and mine can be used as a preliminary.

We should make the definition, modify it, agree and sticky it somewhere as a standard. So when next anyone will call a player world class he can first consult on our standard grin

P.S. Ndidi would have to feature consistently in the big games and do what he does best in the world stage before he can be confirmed as world class. For now he isn't.

I don’t know how to type epistle if not I would have educated you a little about my knowledge about the game

Not a fan of English playersbut Saying vardy is not world class is like saying buhari is the best president in the whole world

How are we sure that a player like Mbappé can pull a vardy stats while playing for Leicester ?

Pls pls pls vardy is a world class player

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 4:07pm On May 22, 2021
Beloved3:


Great, I would actually agree with you that he's above average but not world class.

For me, a world class player is one that is able to sustain brilliant performance and numbers at the highest career stages i.e World cup, Champions league etc.

So once a player has had big numbers consistently in the local league, cup games (and world cup of applicable), and has had great numbers in the champions League as well for at least three seasons, he is world class!

Typical example for an attacker (bar long term injuries);

Local league games for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals in each season

and

Champions League appearance for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals (or close) combined in all three seasons.

And

Cup games (and world cup if applicable) during the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals combined in all three season.


Based in these standard, Jamie Vardy isn't world class!

Mbappe is world class!
Mbappe stats in the past three season;

Ligue1 = Has scored over 20 close or close to that in each of the past 3 season.
Check

Champions League = has scored close to 20 goals combined in the past 3 seasons
Check.

Cup games and world cup = scored close to 20 goals combined
Check.

Result = World class!


The above stat is a reference just for strikers.
Midfielders, defenders goal keepers have their separate reference stats for categorising a player as world class.

I really do not have the time to write up the reference stats for midfielders, defenders etc.

But really, we here need to have our own definition of a world class player as this has been a widely used term without clear definition.

I just threw a first stab at it and mine can be used as a preliminary.

We should make the definition, modify it, agree and sticky it somewhere as a standard. So when next anyone will call a player world class he can first consult on our standard grin

P.S. Ndidi would have to feature consistently in the big games and do what he does best in the world stage before he can be confirmed as world class. For now he isn't.

Thanks for towing the line of reasons by making an explicit post regarding this issue, unlike some wretched swine we have up there.

Of course, Ndidi is not a world class player; how many champions league games has he played and consistently bossed the field , what about world cup games where he usually fall below expectations ?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:08pm On May 22, 2021
andrewbaba44:


I don’t know how to type epistle if not I would have educated you a little about my knowledge about the game

Not a fan of English playersbut Saying vardy is not world class is like saying buhari is the best president in the whole world

How are we sure that a player like Mbappé can pull a vardy stats while playing for Leicester ?

Pls pls pls vardy is a world class player

Vardy hasn't produced at the highest stages. That's where the big guns roll. How many goals or appearance has he in the champions League? How many goals has he in the world cup or even cup games?

Would you class him as world class simple because he dazzles in the local league just as our own Paul Onuachu is doing?

Well Vardy hasn't done enough to be in the league of players like NEYMAR who have rolled in the grass of the big guns and at the highest stages and have shown their worth unscathed.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by temi1290: 4:11pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:


Well, I dont know what you are talking about but personally I do not rate Ndidi as a world class player. Above average for what he does but not world class in my books. Daalu, nnaa
I'm with you, Zubby is better than him
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 4:12pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:
I think people expect too much from Ndidi, while forgetting he was a natural defender who was converted to DM. He cant improve more than what you see now because he is at his max. The best he can do for you is to block and tackle and the occasional brilliance with assist and what have you. When I watch Ndidi I see a very improved Seyi Olofinjana, just combative and that's that. Dont expect Ndidi to replicate what Olise , Ojigwe etc. accomplished with SE. He is not a natural DM thats why he will not get many offers to move.

There was a time I thought Rohr was going to start Awaziem who is a natural DM converted to defender by these European coaches who never take their time to study African players and play them where they can excel best. Take Etebor for instance, the boy started off as a LW , SS but has been since misused and played in positions that underutilized his potentials. Ever since , Etebor has been wandering Europe hoping to establish himself in a system that doesn't respect his natural abilities.

I was hoping that either Zuby or Mikel Agu could get a look in but I guess as long as Rohr is still our coach we will continue to play Ajayi as a CB , Iwobi as an AM. I can't wait for his contract to expire.

What do you mean by the bolded
Are you his coach, personal trainer, or are you one of his village people.

Identify yourself

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:15pm On May 22, 2021
Beloved3:


Great, I would actually agree with you that he's above average but not world class.

For me, a world class player is one that is able to sustain brilliant performance and numbers at the highest career stages i.e World cup, Champions league etc.

So once a player has had big numbers consistently in the local league, cup games (and world cup of applicable), and has had great numbers in the champions League as well for at least three seasons, he is world class!

Typical example for an attacker (bar long term injuries);

Local league games for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals in each season

and

Champions League appearance for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals (or close) combined in all three seasons.

And

Cup games (and world cup if applicable) during the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals combined in all three season.


Based in these standard, Jamie Vardy isn't world class!

Mbappe is world class!
Mbappe stats in the past three season;

Ligue1 = Has scored over 20 close or close to that in each of the past 3 season.
Check

Champions League = has scored close to 20 goals combined in the past 3 seasons
Check.

Cup games and world cup = scored close to 20 goals combined
Check.

Result = World class!


The above stat is a reference just for strikers.
Midfielders, defenders goal keepers have their separate reference stats for categorising a player as world class.

I really do not have the time to write up the reference stats for midfielders, defenders etc.

But really, we here need to have our own definition of a world class player as this has been a widely used term without clear definition.

I just threw a first stab at it and mine can be used as a preliminary.

We should make the definition, modify it, agree and sticky it somewhere as a standard. So when next anyone will call a player world class he can first consult on our standard grin

P.S. Ndidi would have to feature consistently in the big games and do what he does best in the world stage before he can be confirmed as world class. For now he isn't.
Errmmm, with this your metric if we open Suarez champions league record that means we'll say he's not a world class player o

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 4:16pm On May 22, 2021
mank1234:


Exactly what we used to hear of Mikel then Onazi and now Ndidi. All these guys excelled on their roles and made their teams win matches.

Onazi was a baddass DM at his prime, especially with Super Eagles and Lazio. I will take an in-form Onazi over Ndidi , anyday.

Onazi exudes confidence in that role because thats his natural position. Mikel's talent was stunted by Morinho who want him to shield the back but he still excelled with SE , unlike Ndidi who goes missing all game whenever SE play.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:17pm On May 22, 2021
Beloved3:


Vardy hasn't produced at the highest stages. That's where the big guns roll. How many goals or appearance has he in the champions League? How many goals has he in the world cup or even cup games?

Would you class him as world class simple because he dazzles in the local league just as our own Paul Onuachu is doing?

Well Vardy hasn't done enough to be in the league of players like NEYMAR who have rolled in the grass of the big guns and at the highest stages and have shown their worth unscathed.

The epl is not a small league and please don’t compare onuachu doings to vardy own

Vardy is playing for Leicester City and not a big club

Vardy has done better than players who had play for Man U Chelsea Liverpool and co

Oga we are talking about vardy here and not Neymar

You want vardy to always be playing in the champions league with Leicester city says it all ,you have exposed your knowledge

Hazard have not been impressive in the uefa champions league all through his career so maybe he is not world class if so
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:18pm On May 22, 2021
jihday:
Errmmm, with this your metric if we open Suarez champions league record that means we'll say he's not a world class player o

Some people Dey start Wetin we no fit finish

Suarez champions league record is not even good so he is not world class

Watch as the guy will run away from this simple talk
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:21pm On May 22, 2021
andrewbaba44:


Some people Dey start Wetin we no fit finish

Suarez champions league record is not even good so he is not world class

Watch as the guy will run away from this simple talk
I swear, if we start bringing out different players he go tire, so Harry Kane too isn't world class because he hardly play champions league football

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:22pm On May 22, 2021
jihday:
I swear, if we start bringing out different players he go tire, so Harry Kane too isn't world class because he hardly play champions league football

cheesy cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 4:22pm On May 22, 2021
Meliforme:


What do you mean by the bolded
Are you his coach, personal trainer, or are you one of his village people.

Identify yourself

Based on the role he currently plays....na make shift DM the guy be. Originally, he was just a plain defender. Do you remember what happened when una coach Rohr tried to make Ajayi a DM....disaster no happen?

Ndidi can't get any better and this is because he doesn't have the skill set to do a complete DM's job. I don't have anything with the guy but I don't like players without finesse.

Expecting Ndidi to become better is like expecting Iwobi to suddenly become a midfield maestro. Not gonna happen.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:25pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:


Based on the role he currently plays....na make shift DM the guy be. Originally, he was just a plain defender. Do you remember what happened when una coach Rohr tried to make Ajayi a DM....disaster no happen?

Ndidi can't get any better and this is because he doesn't have the skill set to do a complete DM's job. I don't have anything with the guy but I don't like players without finesse.

Expecting Ndidi to become better is like expecting Iwobi to suddenly become a midfield maestro. Not gonna happen.
Nnewi football analyst
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:26pm On May 22, 2021
andrewbaba44:


The epl is not a small league and please don’t compare onuachu doings to vardy own

Vardy is playing for Leicester City and not a big club

Vardy has done better than players who had play for Man U Chelsea Liverpool and co

Oga we are talking about vardy here and not Neymar

You want vardy to always be playing in the champions league with Leicester city says it all ,you have exposed your knowledge

Hazard have not been impressive in the uefa champions league all through his career so maybe he is not world class if so

Lol bro we are saying the same thing.

Vardy has done very well locally but he has only 1 goal in cup games for over 5 years, just 2 career goals in Europa and just 2 goals for England in his international career.

Lad has frozen and has been poor in the big stages. Sorry, he's not world class. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 4:29pm On May 22, 2021
temi1290:

I'm with you, Zubby is better than him

Azubike is a natural DM , who can play CM and even AM with all the combative feature. Its quite sad that he has been unlucky but we have some young bloods coming up.

Zuby will hold the ball and operate the midfield seamlessly. That's a talented player , right there. Not taking anything away from Ndidi but he doesn't have that "thing" inherent in a natural born midfielders.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 4:30pm On May 22, 2021
jihday:
Nnewi football analyst

Ogbomosho football pundit!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:32pm On May 22, 2021
jihday:
Errmmm, with this your metric if we open Suarez champions league record that means we'll say he's not a world class player o

His best seasons were within 2014 to 2017.

He scored 18 goals combined in the champions League at that period. His stats in the local league and cup games were also up to standard during that period.

Those were his best times and he was clearly world class then but not any longer. Sorry he dropped off the scale.

Does that make any sense now?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:35pm On May 22, 2021
Beloved3:


Lol bro we are saying the same thing.

Vardy has done very well locally but he has only 1 goal in cup games for over 5 years, just 2 career goals in Europa and just 2 goals for England in his international career.

Lad has frozen and has been poor in the big stages. Sorry, he's not world class. grin

What cup games did he have just 1 goal ?

Vardy 2 goals in his international career ? Dey lie small small bros
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:36pm On May 22, 2021
jihday:
Nnewi football analyst

Naaa

Kastina ram analyst

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:46pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:


Onazi was a baddass DM at his prime, especially with Super Eagles and Lazio. I will take an in-form Onazi over Ndidi , anyday.

Onazi exudes confidence in that role because thats his natural position. Mikel's talent was stunted by Morinho who want him to shield the back but he still excelled with SE , unlike Ndidi who goes missing all game whenever SE play.

Lol bro I think you are being too hard on Ndidi.

He is not world class yet but clearly a very good and indispensable player. I'm sure you know that yourself.

Yes we were disappointed at him during the world cup but dude has been showing up immensely for us in our recent games. He has won the MOM for us (Vs Burundi at last Afcon I think?) and he's much more confident now when playing for the super eagles.

Ndidi is very much key to our campaign in the forth coming Afcon. He's a fantastic DM.
Kindly give credit when due bro. Ndidi is no body's mate in the eagles when it comes to DM duties, Azubuike doesn't even come close.

Cheers bro.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by temi1290: 4:51pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:


Azubike is a natural DM , who can play CM and even AM with all the combative feature. Its quite sad that he has been unlucky but we have some young bloods coming up.

Zuby will hold the ball and operate the midfield seamlessly. That's a talented player , right there. Not taking anything away from Ndidi but he doesn't have that "thing" inherent in a natural born midfielders.


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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lloydtruth: 4:51pm On May 22, 2021
Hearing that Awaziem has signed a permanent deal with Boavista.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:53pm On May 22, 2021
andrewbaba44:


What cup games did he have just 1 goal ?

Vardy 2 goals in his international career ? Dey lie small small bros

How many goals does Vardy have for England in international competitions (not friendly games)?

You want me to include his goals in friendly matches? You think the World Class criteria is a joke? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mank1234(m): 4:54pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:


Onazi was a baddass DM at his prime, especially with Super Eagles and Lazio. I will take an in-form Onazi over Ndidi , anyday.

Onazi exudes confidence in that role because thats his natural position. Mikel's talent was stunted by Morinho who want him to shield the back but he still excelled with SE , unlike Ndidi who goes missing all game whenever SE play.

How can you say that a consistent player that the coach of a team better than Arsenal, Everton and Tottenham rely on for result is poor. Mention the games that super eagles has played without him that we were better for you to conclude that he goes missing in games.
You're beginning to sound illogical and emotional. For your information, Leicester is now an elite club in England; the earlier you accept it the better.

Ndidi as a player has delivered in big matches. With him, Leicester has beaten all top teams in England this season, in big games. Are the teams that play in champions league or world cup bigger than Manchester City and Chelsea?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 4:59pm On May 22, 2021
Omanambala:


Based on the role he currently plays....na make shift DM the guy be. Originally, he was just a plain defender. Do you remember what happened when una coach Rohr tried to make Ajayi a DM....disaster no happen?

Ndidi can't get any better and this is because he doesn't have the skill set to do a complete DM's job. I don't have anything with the guy but I don't like players without finesse.

Expecting Ndidi to become better is like expecting Iwobi to suddenly become a midfield maestro. Not gonna happen.

What is your definition of a makeshift?
I want to know

Do you know the reason why he was moved to midfield.
It may shock you to learn that he was moved because of the kind of passes,
long balls and crosses he kept making from his position as a defender.

So what are the skills required to do a complete DM's job
Do you want him to make more dribbles and create scoring chances,
then that is not the main job of a DM.

For the role he plays, he does that with finesse.
Do you know what it takes to steal the ball from the opponent,
clog up plays and make interceptions, you need intelligence (to read games)
and a lot of creativity.

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