₦airaland Forum

ugo4u:
Don't confuse Basic military training which is what is done at depot and other military institutions in the world for specialised trainings, after depot training some will still go for further training. Nobody will be teaching you advanced counter Insurgency, etc At boot camp when the most important thing at that stage is learning how to properly shoot your rifles, read and interpret maps, fieldcraft etc. Military training is always a continuum.

Odunayaw:
Ugo, I'm just tired of repeating this thing again and again on this thread. Some people's opinions are based on hearsay and lamba

Kaeboy:
Depot is not doing any serious tactical training make we no decieve ourselves. Most of what they consider training is just torture and punishment, which is reflecting in the way they treat civilians.

Other advance country military training academy will create real village for training purpose just to put reality and what is obtainable in real life situation into the training.

I watch a particular training of a country one time like that online (I can't remember), they put people who act as hostages in bus with other ones acting as abductors, then some guys on training had to rescue them.

Nigeria forces are only training men to be cruel.

ugo4u:
This is also a form of federalism which devolves powers to smaller units like I said earlier things can be tweaked to meet today's realities. A constitution that allocates resources based on population and geographical size is fraudulent & it's bound to breed agitations.
Fiscal federalism in its truest sense is what majority of Nigerians are clamouring for if we're being honest.

jpphilips:
It is one thing to see an issue, its another to have a smart solution, the issue you raised is irrelevant, if you don't want Kano to profit from your VAT, stop drinking.
Afterall it is not good for your health in the first place.

The constitutional review in progress wont accomodate the dumb Opinions most of you hold dear, Countries are not crafted by kids & ignorant people.

DubaiLandLord1:
Some soldiers attached to the Office of the National Security Adviser yesterday prevented operatives of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) from marking some of the property belonging to the Director of Finance in the ONSA, Brig.-Gen. Jafaru Mohammed.

The property are under an interim forfeiture order.

Justice Folashade Giwa-Ogunbanjo of the Federal High Court, Abuja, had, on March 9, 2021, granted an ex-parte application brought by the EFCC for an interim order of forfeiture over some identified property linked to the senior military officer.

The court also ordered the EFCC to publicise the interim forfeiture of the assets and invited people “who may have interest in the assets and properties listed in the schedule to show cause, within 14 days of such publication, why a final order of forfeiture to the Federal Government of Nigeria of the said assets and properties should not be made.”

Residents of Sun City, an upscale housing estate on the outskirt of Abuja, reported a near stand-off yesterday morning between EFCC operatives and military men in plain cloth and uniform at one of the assets located in the estate.

Daily Trust gathered that stern-looking soldiers stationed at one of the houses located at No 25, Osaka Street, upon sighting the anti-graft operatives at about 10am, became furious and ensured that the house was not marked with red inscription “EFCC: Keep off”.

While the two sides were exchanging words, over 20 uniformed and plain-clothed soldiers arrived at the scene, resisting the attempt to mark the house.

“They came in an unmarked white Hilux and black jeep, then others came in a small car and more again in a bus,” a source explained.

When Daily Trust visited the area, it was observed that the soldiers were on red alert as they attempted to chase our correspondents who went on a fact-finding mission on the seized property.

Similarly, when our correspondents visited the property located at No 52, Main Street, also in Sun City Estate, it was observed that the property was marked by the commission, but hours later, the EFCC red inscription was covered off from the walls and the gate.

Daily Trust recalled that the assets traced to the proxies and associates of the Brigadier General, according to the court papers, include: House on Plot 7, God’s Own Estate, Road 1, Wamna District, Abuja; a fencer plot at No 1 Jubril Aminu Crescent, Katampe Extension, Abuja and plot at Kubwa Express, Directly opposite Abuja Model City Gate, Abuja;

Others are: A house on Block SD 22 House 2, Road 5, Kabusa Garden Estate, Abuja; No 15, 21 Crescent, 2nd Avenue, Gwarinpa Estate, Abuja; No 3 Liverpool Close, Sun City Estate, Abuja; No 52 Main Street, Sun City Estate, Abuja; and No 25 Osaka Street, Sun City Estate, Abuja.

The EFCC spokesman, Wilson Uwujaren, in a telephone interview, said he was not aware of the squabble.

When contacted last night, the Office of the NSA directed our correspondent to the Brigadier General’s lawyer, Barr. Omokayode Adebayo Dada, who maintained that the EFCC, according to the law of the land, has no power to investigate a serving military officer.

The lawyer argued that the military officer was right to have prevented himself from harassment of the operatives, stressing that if there was any petition against him, the EFCC should formally write to the authorities of Nigerian Army who will then look at the case.

“Anything that has to do with a serving military officer, you dare not go by EFCC and say you have powers. Everything EFCC did was premised on the foundation of illegality. The man is a graduate and learned person, he knows the law that governs him.

“If he had not spoken all these while and he now woke up from slumber, then he has the right to repel them. He didn’t repel them illegally. They constituted illegality in his premises and he took steps to defend himself,” he said.

https://dailytrust.com/soldiers-chase-efcc-operatives-from-marking-onsa-directors-forfeited-assets

Nigeria, turning to a banana republic. This country no fit better by 2035 sef, things go don dey far worst by then, if the country still dey up to then

Odunayaw:
IMO, our problem is weak institutions. We have not invested in our institutions. Whatever system we adopt, it is humans that makes it work

Whyem15:
The only thing wrong here is the stupid journalism. It is not the job of journalists to only tell us what party A and Party B said but to also educate the public on what is true.
Questions that needs to be answered are;
Is the ONSA a military or civilian Department?
Is the accused serving in a military or civilian capacity?
Does the case fall within the jurisdiction of the court that issued the order?
Why didn't the EFCC liase with the DHQ and military police to prosecute the accused.
The next step is for EFCC or any other relevant institutions to sue the soldiers for contempt of court and obstruction of justice. The military command can then decide to make it an institutional issue or let the soldiers and the said Brigadier Gen. The military command can appeal the case if they feel the court can't prosecute a case involving a serving military officer with their main argument being lack of jurisdiction.

Finally, I do not understand how a corrupt individual using the power of his office to evade justice will not make Nigeria better by 2035. This is even a good thing as it will most likely strengthen EFFC and courts should they win the case and it also shows that at least certain parts of government is actually working although facing lots of problems.
Issues like this happen everywhere and a good example is US government threatening the ICC with sanctions arguing that the ICC doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate US military war crimes in Afghanistan. Does that mean US or the world will not be better by 2035?

Odunayaw:
IMO, our problem is weak institutions. We have not invested in our institutions. Whatever system we adopt, it is humans that makes it work

Whyem15:
The only thing wrong here is the stupid journalism. It is not the job of journalists to only tell us what party A and Party B said but to also educate the public on what is true.
Questions that needs to be answered are;
Is the ONSA a military or civilian Department?
Is the accused serving in a military or civilian capacity?
Does the case fall within the jurisdiction of the court that issued the order?
Why didn't the EFCC liase with the DHQ and military police to prosecute the accused.
The next step is for EFCC or any other relevant institutions to sue the soldiers for contempt of court and obstruction of justice. The military command can then decide to make it an institutional issue or let the soldiers and the said Brigadier Gen. The military command can appeal the case if they feel the court can't prosecute a case involving a serving military officer with their main argument being lack of jurisdiction.

Finally, I do not understand how a corrupt individual using the power of his office to evade justice will not make Nigeria better by 2035. This is even a good thing as it will most likely strengthen EFFC and courts should they win the case and it also shows that at least certain parts of government is actually working although facing lots of problems.
Issues like this happen everywhere and a good example is US government threatening the ICC with sanctions arguing that the ICC doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate US military war crimes in Afghanistan. Does that mean US or the world will not be better by 2035?

jpphilips:
You don't have a clue how your constitution came, you probably wasn't born then and you refused to read, but you open your filthy hole in public to criticize what you don't have a clue about.
Go and read about the constitution debate coordinating committee (CDCC) of 1998 before opening your mouth again.
Military had zero input in the 1999 constitution.
Who cursed you guys with ignorance??

ugo4u:
Don't mind paid political jobbers. How can any sensible individual make nonsense of a constitution that was drafted by all the parties then via a conference similar to the 2014 confab. This is a constitution with the following features:
1)Establishment of the Federal Republic
2)Introduction of Parliamentary System of Government
3)Creation of Office of President
4)Federal Parliament
5) Distribution of Powers
6) The Executive
7) The Judiciary
8 ) Relationship Between Federal and Regional Constitutions
9) Regional Constitutions
10)Amendment of the Constitution


If we can't get a brand new constitution then we should go back to the 1963 constitution and amend to meet with the present day challenges, amending Abdulsalam's constitution is a bloody waste of time and resources.

lebuhsi:
The 1999 Constitution was crafted by solely by civilians

Town hall meetings, consensus and all that.
This thread would further explain this

The 1999 is not exactly new, it's a replica of the 1979 Constitution with very slight adjustments.

https://twitter.com/yinkanubi/status/1392393437207572483?s=19[/quote]Agreed.

Knowing Nigeria however, do you really believe there was zero state influence on the final result?

DubaiLandLord1:
Mtchewww

All in the bid to look smart, una go dey talk trash

Is the ICC recognized by the American constitution? China does not listen to the ICC, Russia does not listen to the ICC.

Una don dey use to lawlessness, you steal public money, A valid court of law in Nigeria pass a judgement, you dey here dey talk rubbish about jurisdiction.

Show me where a military personnel is accused of corruption in the USA, and american military personnel go dey block FBI from doing their jobs.

No wander someone called Nigeria a zoo.

Hennynitan:
Can you listen to yourself? How can you justify soldiers preventing a judgment of the court of law from taking place

Let's not get used to nonsense in this country

Whyem15:
Let's push the ICC aside for a moment, are there no conflicts on jurisdiction among US law enforcement agencies?

An opportunity to strengthen EFCC and the judiciary presented itself and rather than utilize it, we are more concerned about crying over the crime committed.
On the basis of the actions of an individual using powers conferred on him by virtue of association, you decided that Nigeria can not be better by 2035

DubaiLandLord1:
Some soldiers attached to the Office of the National Security Adviser yesterday prevented operatives of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) from marking some of the property belonging to the Director of Finance in the ONSA, Brig.-Gen. Jafaru Mohammed.


https://dailytrust.com/soldiers-chase-efcc-operatives-from-marking-onsa-directors-forfeited-assets

Nigeria, turning to a banana republic. This is one of the reasons this country no fit better by 2035, things go don dey far worst by then, that's if the country still dey exist up to then sef

DubaiLandLord1:
With this kin glaring corruption case sef, GMB don suppose ask the ONSA pga to step aside by now. The oga of NPA was told to step aside because of a corruption case on top her head without the case even getting to the court.

If this kin corruption case nah for USA, do you think the ONSA oga go still dey sit on top that seat by now? Make we dey reason things well abeg!

The Nigerian constitution supercede all things, you can't be giving an excuse for this, then start pointing fingers at a person supporting IPOB.

Why should a court in Abuja declare IPOB mostly filled up with igbos and mostly operating in igbo land of terrorism? wetin concern the Court in Abuja with wetin dey happen for igbo land?

Stormtrooper11:
Funnily, i wanted [b]MAJ-GEN Sarham. [/b]Hope this one will perform well

Whyem15:
Major general Farouk Yahaya has been announced as the new chief of army staff.

Stormtrooper11:
Funnily, i wanted MAJ-GEN Sarham. Hope this one will perform well

sanctity454:
Do you think this will perform well?

Whyem15:
Maybe, maybe not. He led operation Turai Taka bango which was largely successful against JAS and he himself was ambushed by the terrorists a while ago. He knows what troops are facing in the NE so his appointment might favor the counterinsurgency operations.

sanctity454:
I pray our insecurity issues reduces, may Allah guide and protect him.
Will there be retirement of officers above him in seniority?

Whyem15:
IPOB can also appeal and argue jurisdiction. That is exactly what my point is. An accused person is hiding under the military justice system to evade justice, the next thing for the EFCC & the court to do is to first petition the military command on the crimes of the military personnel asking for clarification whether the military will take on the case as an organization or will cooperate with the court to prosecute the soldiers for obstruction of justice and contempt of court. If it is the former, EFFC can then drag the military to court or the judiciary tackle the military at a higher court. The military is subjected to the judgement of the Supreme Court. There is really no big deal here. In the first instance EFCC should have contacted DHQ over the case to know their stand on it.
It's not as if the military defends criminals, just last year Major. Gen. Hakeem Otiki was courtmatialed, demoted and dishounourably dismissed from the army.
The ONSA is a civilian organization and that is why Dasuki is not being prosecuted by a military court.