BENEAMATA:
i never ssid 2012 was chelsea's first appearance at the ucl final , no . rather , i pointed out the fact it was bvb dortmund ' first ucl final ever that they won in 1997 , beating then defending champion juventus fc . chelsea 2012 came up 'cos i said they are the LATEST , and still is newest entrant of the league of UCL winners , of which dortmund held that position for 15 years before 2012 . for clarification , man city winning the cup yesterday would have made them the latest new winner since chelsea 2012 .

Aston villa n Dortmund were d only 2 sides to win in their first final appearance.

richmanrichard:
kante did not start against city in leaque which Chelsea came back to beat city. he came as a sub on 70th mins n tuchel still won

He started, but was substituted with Jorginho in the 68th minute.

Make una stop all these medicine after death analysis. Guardiola did his very best just Thomas Tuchel was too tough for him on the night.


This was the toughest and intriguing ucl finals I have watched in past decade!!

lexy2014:


After he left, why didn't d coach that replaced him win d UCL with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc?

the coach did with treple trophy sef. Enrique is his name n he is d current spainish coach

chidifrank:

the coach did with treple trophy sef. Enrique is his name n he is d current spainish coach

"Treple"? So how did Luis Enrique achieve what he achieve what he achieved as a coach at Barca?

Jokerman:


Luis Enrique won treble with barca

True. So how did Luis Enrique achieve what he achieve what he achieved as a coach at Barca?

medolab90:


Chelsea first final was 08' against Man u

Oh...that's true. Tnx

Ifybwoy7:
pep won those champions league finals because of the wonderful players like messi, Xavi, iniesta, etc period.

How did those become so wonderful to d point that pep won d UCL with them?

uunwanaobong3:
PEP LOST THIS GAME BECAUSE OF THREE THINGS:

1) CHANCE OF TACTICAL FORMATION: unlike the normal flat 4 3 3 he normaly play, he choses to go in diamond shape 4-3-3 by play two false nine, taking debruyne out of his creative role and playing him at false nine and with about 5 attacking players.

2) NO DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER; it is important to point out here that no team can win ANY trophy with a defensive midfielder and center back, talk more of a champions league

3) INCLUSION OF STERLING;
both in and out of form, any manager that seriously think of winning any finals should not start with sterling no matter what happen. He render mancity handicap... It was like playing 10 against 11 men.

The mahrez that played the oda wing was he not also rendered useless by chiwell.

paulolee:

I swear everybody are airing their free opinion to analyze n criticize the best coach in Europe just because of a bad nite...
am not surprised because we all av short memories n appreciate good times...
or isnt it d same pep dt won d Almighty Fergie in two UCL finals??
some are even asking for his sack forgetting dt its d same coach dt keeps winning the highly rated EPL n making it a farmers league..

How is he turning EPL to Farmers league?
He's yet to win it back to back, he's yet to win an FA cup.
He should try and win it back to back before before you take him to high heaven.

paulolee:

I swear everybody are airing their free opinion to analyze n criticize the best coach in Europe just because of a bad nite...
am not surprised because we all av short memories n appreciate good times...
or isnt it d same pep dt won d Almighty Fergie in two UCL finals??
some are even asking for his sack forgetting dt its d same coach dt keeps winning the highly rated EPL n making it a farmers league..

How is he turning EPL to Farmers league?
He's yet to win it back to back, he's yet to win an FA cup.
He should try and win it back to back before before you take him to high heaven.

Noted

Mowii:
alaye did he play without a holding midfielder?
When fernadinho enter you see una runs do.
The last match he played Chelsea using gudgogan as holding midfielder Christian pulisic scored 2 goals so no dy tell me that thing if used fernadinho instead of sterling una for no see draw oloun

as if fernandinho wasn't took part at all, 10mins is enough for great players to turn around thing in football matches, ur Fernandinho played for whopping 33mins yet "nothing nothing' check the golden days of Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Messi etc

Fiscus105:



as if fernandinho wasn't took part at all, 10mins is enough for great players to turn around thing in football matches, ur Fernandinho played for whopping 33mins yet "nothing nothing' check the golden days of Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Messi etc

lol Messi wey play 180 mins against Chelsea for 2012 wetin he do ?

Mowii:
lol Messi wey play 180 mins against Chelsea for 2012 wetin he do ?

so stop complaining that Fernando played or not?

if almighty Messi played 99 mins and nothing happened, how much less Fernando, oga dnt be depressed about outcome of chelsea vs man City.

paulolee:

yes I said it...losing trophy takes nothing away from him because he won ur epl god fergie twice in this same UCL final n u guys in EPL are still rating Ferguson ahead of others in EPL...
pep lost n av learnt just like tuchel n klopp once lost a UCL final too before they won It..
pep is still d best currently n he would surely bounce bk or do u want to name any manager in d last 10 years dt have more wins, more goals n more trophies than pep??
any manager currently in europe dt av more trophies than pep??
m waiting bcoz ur tuchel jus got started n gat jus 10 trophies...so put some respect on pep's name bro....u dig??

Someone that is yet to win EPL back to back and an FA cup you comparing Alex?

Owologbo:

Someone that is yet to win EPL back to back and an FA cup you comparing Alex?

I didn't n cnt compare a small pep with alex...all I said was alex lost ucl final twice against pep n it took nothing away from alex..

Owologbo:

Someone that is yet to win EPL back to back and an FA cup you comparing Alex?

Stop displaying your ignorance publicly joor.

Owologbo:

How is he turning EPL to Farmers league?
He's yet to win it back to back, he's yet to win an FA cup.
He should try and win it back to back before before you take him to high heaven.

3 EPL titles and 10 trophies already all in the space of 5 years after going tropiless when he started...
said he hasn't won back to back bt I tot he did it 2018 and 2019 abi na ur tuchel win am for city??
did corabo cup 4 times in a roll n its nothing abi?? he didnt even dominate dt easy n early in spain because of madrid u guys said spain was too easy for him....na wah o

obembet:


Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9633303/Pep-Guardiola-smart-good-Manchester-City-lost-Chelsea.html

And he will never win it again unless, he make it right with the blacks..... Most racist coach

paulolee:

yes I said it...losing trophy takes nothing away from him because he won ur epl god fergie twice in this same UCL final n u guys in EPL are still rating Ferguson ahead of others in EPL...
pep lost n av learnt just like tuchel n klopp once lost a UCL final too before they won It..
pep is still d best currently n he would surely bounce bk or do u want to name any manager in d last 10 years dt have more wins, more goals n more trophies than pep??
any manager currently in europe dt av more trophies than pep??
m waiting bcoz ur tuchel jus got started n gat jus 10 trophies...so put some respect on pep's name bro....u dig??

No doubt he is a good coach but when you go to arguably the best team in a country- Barca, Bayern, City; you are bound to win as much as he has. Barca was winning with Rijkaard before he came and the late Tito and Enrique did after he left (may his soul rest in peace). Heynckes did before he came and Flick won more after he had left. Mancini, Pellegrini were winning the league and cups before he came. So he has not done anything so special aside winning the domestic treble in 2018/2019. He needs to win the champions league. Who says Pellegrini might not have won it if he had stayed as long as Pep has. At least he took them to the semi-final in the two or three years he was at the club.

That is why I will still respect Klopp more.

djoe21:


No doubt he is a good coach but when you go to arguably the best team in a country- Barca, Bayern, City; you are bound to win as much as he has. Barca was winning with Rijkaard before he came and the late Tito and Enrique did after he left (may his soul rest in peace). Heynckes did before he came and Flick won more after he had left. Mancini, Pellegrini were winning the league and cups before he came. So he has not done anything so special aside winning the domestic treble in 2018/2019. He needs to win the champions league. Who says Pellegrini might not have won it if he had stayed as long as Pep has. At least he took them to the semi-final in the two or three years he was at the club.

That is why I will still respect Klopp more.

my gee...m.a barca fan n rijkard did noting for barca then winning the ucl, pep won all trophies, changed d philosophy, reintorduced tikitaka n made many unknown players in dt squad to world beaters, d only coach dt came close was Enrique...lets me guided pls..
secondly I would even agree dt he did badly with bayern bcox henkes n flick did better than him..
lastly, pls dnt compare any of those names in city to pep bcox he outclass both records of mancini n pellegrini by his total wins, record points in a season, record goals in a season, more winning streak, more away consecutive wins n the list is endless..
how can u compare both that their trophies isnt even up to pep 10 trophies in just 6 seasons..lets argue without sentiment abeg..

[quote author=Alexbrandy28 post=102202211]Pep is a good manager but has he ever managed a small team with average players?,He has always been fortunate to manage big teams with players of high quality,He inherited an already made team from Frank Rikjard at Barcelona,same with Bayern Munich and Manchester city. Until he turns an average team with average players to a winning team like other coaches before he can be regarded as the best tactician.
Already made team from Rijkaard how? Pep built his team with majority of players from la masia, Messi/iniesta and even xavi were not regular starters in Rijkaard team but Pep built his team around them. The only consistent Rijkaard team player(s) in Pep Barcelona team was Eto'o and probably puyol.... Pep is good, may 29 was just not his day

Fiscus105:



so stop complaining that Fernando played or not?

if almighty Messi played 99 mins and nothing happened, how much less Fernando, oga dnt be depressed about outcome of chelsea vs man City.

you no get my point using gudgogan as 4 is a fucking gamble tht can never work out when Kevin was out on injury he brought in cancelo to mid field and advanced gudgogan pos omo gudgogan scored as many goals he could, won player of the month twice the last time he used gudgogan as 4 against Chelsea we lost to 2 to nil that time Christian scored twice

lexy2014:

True. So how did Luis Enrique achieve what he achieve what he achieved as a coach at Barca?

With his tactics...

paulolee:

3 EPL titles and 10 trophies already all in the space of 5 years after going tropiless when he started...
said he hasn't won back to back bt I tot he did it 2018 and 2019 abi na ur tuchel win am for city??
did corabo cup 4 times in a roll n its nothing abi?? he didnt even dominate dt easy n early in spain because of madrid u guys said spain was too easy for him....na wah o

Oga Fergie dominated EPL, so it's not a new thing...

paulolee:

my gee...m.a barca fan n rijkard did noting for barca then winning the ucl, pep won all trophies, changed d philosophy, reintorduced tikitaka n made many unknown players in dt squad to world beaters, d only coach dt came close was Enrique...lets me guided pls..
secondly I would even agree dt he did badly with bayern bcox henkes n flick did better than him..
lastly, pls dnt compare any of those names in city to pep bcox he outclass both records of mancini n pellegrini by his total wins, record points in a season, record goals in a season, more winning streak, more away consecutive wins n the list is endless..
how can u compare both that their trophies isnt even up to pep 10 trophies in just 6 seasons..lets argue without sentiment abeg..

Changing philosophy, using tikitaka is not the point. May I ask why he did not use the same tikitaka or philosophy to win the champions league at other clubs he has managed?

May I also ask who are the unknown names he turned into world beaters, is it Xavi, Iniesta Busquests or Messi?

You are also talking about record point in a season at Mancity, goals scores, more aways wins, etc. These things are irrelevant to the Mancity owners and fans if the champions league is still elusive. That is the major reason he was brought to the club and has been backed with a lot of MONEY! So he either delivers that or he will never be the best at least in my eyes.

richmanrichard:
Aston villa n Dortmund were d only 2 sides to win in their first final appearance.

there are more than a handful winners who lifted the trophy in their first final before it was revamped as uefa champions league in 1992 , not only aston villa .

BENEAMATA:
there are more than a handful winners who lifted the trophy in their first final before it was revamped as uefa champions league in 1992 , not only aston villa .

name them

Jokerman:


With his tactics...

God bless u.

richmanrichard:
name them

okay , here goes :
benfica '61
internazionale '64
celtic '67
man utd '68
fc bayern munich '74
liverpool '77
nottingham forest '79
aston villa '82
hamburg '83

steau bucuresti ( bucharest ) 86
fc porto '87
red star belgrade '91
bvb borussia dortmund '97

i'm sure i've missed one or two , you can look it up .
not counting inaugural winner real madrid .
Notice the pattern of new winners every seventh year of each decade from 67 , 77 , 87 to 97 . chelsea came agonisingly close in 2007 but fell short on penalties in the semi final . has the sequence changed to second year of every decade ( 2012 - 2022 ? ) for another never before crowned winner to emerge ? time shall tell .

richmanrichard:
una go cry tire. so u now sabi coaching pass pep? more excuse!

he miscalculated that y they lost.