humblesteve:

Boss
So anyone can clearly sell a faulty item and to you it’s madness to ask for compensation


Mind you he (seller) knew there was a crack and never informed buyer about that, this is a case of item not as described as it is and there’s a every reason for him to get a refund and a plus cash.

A crack isn’t a hidden or an internal issue for anyone to feign ignorance of.


AquaSpunky, I’ll beg you to take your refund and move ahead sir. It’s part of those thing in business just a lesson, next time always do the needful irrespective of whom you’re dealing with

AquaSpunky had a responsibility of checking the laptop first hand before selling the laptop to another reseller. Buy he didn't. Same fault Emmanu is accused of also applies to AquaSpunky.


Now the question is "at what time during this transaction did AquaSpunky complain about the crack?"

If he complained about the crack within a few days of buying the laptop, then Emmanu should give him the refund without delay.

But if the complain came late for example a week later or more, then AquaSpunky should compromise and wait two weeks for refund.

You dont buy a used item you intend to resell without inspecting it before reselling.

Always inspect your items at the point of pickup. This is key. I learnt the hard way.

AquaSpunky

sotall:


AquaSpunky had a responsibility of checking the laptop first hand before selling the laptop to another reseller. Buy he didn't. Same fault Emmanu is accused of also applies to AquaSpunky.


Now the question is "at what time during this transaction did AquaSpunky complain about the crack?"

If he complained about the crack within a few days of buying the laptop, then Emmanu should give him the refund without delay.

But if the complain came late for example a week later or more, then AquaSpunky should compromise and wait two weeks for refund.

You dont buy a used item you intend to resell without inspecting it before reselling.

WRONG THREAD

megatran:
Please who has picked up an item in Florida before? I have some items I want to purchase and buyer only accept pickups. Let me know who is in charge of that in nairaland so I can buzz him.

sotall:


Being at fault for not telling you about the crack( if he was aware anyway) doesn't translate to paying you profit if the transaction eventually fails.

I think you should forget about making profit from this deal (because it is a failed transaction) and concentrate on getting your full refund.

Naaaah,
A seller advertising an item as a faultless item, where as the seller knows it has a fault(the crack), is deception on its own, and it’s even enough reason to get black listed.
I’m pretty sure the whitey he bought it from pointed out the cracks in his listing.
Asking for refund after holding someone’s capital is the easy way, man should pay for damages for his deception.
The part of not sending the whole picture of the laptop is shady as it is.
If the seller describes the laptop as 100% okay faultless, you can’t fully blame the buyer for not checking.
This is just a case of dishonest and deceptive seller, and it’s not really fair.
But we haven’t heard from sellers side sha, make we dey see.

AquaSpunky:
Good morning, everyone.

I bought a TLC deal (hp omen) from @emmanu19 on the 22nd of April; it was delivered to me on the 6th of May.
The laptop was properly sealed when it arrived, even though he confirmed it was a used laptop, so I didn’t bother opening it.

After a week, i sold it to a reseller who sold it to another vendor.
The reseller didn’t bother checking either, because we’ve been conducting smooth business transactions for months & never had any issue.

When the vendor delivered the laptop, the buyer opened the box & confirmed that it had a crack.
So, it was returned to me.

Upon receipt, i contacted @emmanu19 & asked for pictures.
Of all the pictures he sent, he mysteriously didn’t take pictures of the cracked part & said that he would refund or pay “small money” as a rebate.

I asked him to hold on because, the reseller said, he could find someone to fix the frame & see if he could sell it afterwards, which would be a win win for all.

Unfortunately, he couldn’t repair it, so i told @Emmanu19 & he said he would return the exact amount i paid (465k) & that if I didn’t return it before the end of May, he wouldn’t take the laptop back.

I felt attacked because, i was only trying to settle the issue amicably, then he said the worst I could do would be to report him here & he wouldn’t reply.

I was surprised that he changed the narrative. It is lucid he knew the laptop had a crack before he shipped it & deliberately cropped the cracked part out of the pictures he took.

Yesterday, the 30th, I returned the laptop to his handler, only for him to say that, i wouldn’t get my money until he sells the laptop or after two weeks.

Proof is attached for all to see & judge. I hope he tenders his so all can see who is at fault.

@Kreamie
@RakiticBarca
@Sheelay
@Anopheles
@Wildchild

There are a lot of assumptions here from previous replies (he intentionally sold you a cracked laptop without disclosing that to you).

Did he admit he was aware of the crack?

The case is dicey because you should have checked the item, even if not at pickup but when it got to you.

it will be a bad one on Emmanuel's reputation if he knew it had a crack and didnt tell you.

i think the best is to just collect your money or fix it and sell,just do your calculations and see which will pay you best

Onyeka90210:

Naaaah,
A seller advertising an item as a faultless item, where as the seller knows it has a fault(the crack), is deception on its own, and it’s even enough reason to get black listed.
I’m pretty sure the whitey he bought it from pointed out the cracks in his listing.
Asking for refund after holding someone’s capital is the easy way, man should pay for damages for his deception.
The part of not sending the whole picture of the laptop is shady as it is.
This is just a case of dishonest and deceptive seller, and it’s not really fair.
But we haven’t heard from sellers side sha, make we dey see.

Telling seller to pay you profit in addition to giving you refund is wishful thinking and grand delusion.

If we were to go by your logic, is AquaSpunky not also a dishonest and deceptive seller for selling an item that has crack to the second seller? Though he says he didn't check it but that's a lame excuse from someone who wants to make profit from selling a used item.

Please let's try and be reasonable. The crack we are talking about in this case is a crack on the frame and not a crack on the screen. It isnt a major fault or damage. A small sticker on the frame will cover that crack.

AquaSpunky:
Good morning, everyone.

I bought a TLC deal (hp omen) from @emmanu19 on the 22nd of April; it was delivered to me on the 6th of May.
The laptop was properly sealed when it arrived, even though he confirmed it was a used laptop, so I didn’t bother opening it.

After a week, i sold it to a reseller who sold it to another vendor.
The reseller didn’t bother checking either, because we’ve been conducting smooth business transactions for months & never had any issue.

When the vendor delivered the laptop, the buyer opened the box & confirmed that it had a crack.
So, it was returned to me.

Upon receipt, i contacted @emmanu19 & asked for pictures.
Of all the pictures he sent, he mysteriously didn’t take pictures of the cracked part & said that he would refund or pay “small money” as a rebate.

I asked him to hold on because, the reseller said, he could find someone to fix the frame & see if he could sell it afterwards, which would be a win win for all.

Unfortunately, he couldn’t repair it, so i told @Emmanu19 & he said he would return the exact amount i paid (465k) & that if I didn’t return it before the end of May, he wouldn’t take the laptop back.

I felt attacked because, i was only trying to settle the issue amicably, then he said the worst I could do would be to report him here & he wouldn’t reply.

I was surprised that he changed the narrative. It is lucid he knew the laptop had a crack before he shipped it & deliberately cropped the cracked part out of the pictures he took.

Yesterday, the 30th, I returned the laptop to his handler, only for him to say that, i wouldn’t get my money until he sells the laptop or after two weeks.

Proof is attached for all to see & judge. I hope he tenders his so all can see who is at fault.

@Kreamie
@RakiticBarca
@Sheelay
@Anopheles
@Wildchild

You didn't buy brand new sealed. Every picker has on thier first page that you should inspect what you bought.
Imagine you sold this laptop AIN and after a week buyer said its cracked? Will that fly by you?

You're lucky he accepted Refund

sotall:


The crack we are talking about in this case is a crack on the frame and not a crack on the screen. It isnt a major fault or damage. A small sticker on the frame will cover that crack.

Oga which planet you fall from?
Small sticker will cover the frame, 500k laptop


Se you go fit accept 12 pro max fu cracked back for 500k? Make u just use pouch cover am resell or use

Do that oga chikini favor,help am buy the laptop for 550k,use sticker cover the crack make u come resell or dey use am end of story.

"The crack we are talking about in this case is a crack on the frame and not a crack on the screen. It isnt a major fault or damage. A small sticker on the frame will cover that crack."

Seriously, no be everybody suppose dey comment here o. This statement is absurd.... An item worth 500k

Aquaspunky.

Wetin happen to "goods must be inspected at point of pick up,as fault detected after won't be on seller" ?

Oga emmanu19, why u use deception crop out crack wey dey lappy when sending pics. You don learn bad things from offerup sellers Na so dem de do for Dallas?


Mr aqua,accounting is about profit and loss o,I no even think say u lose for this matter,your capital dey intact,the problem be say u don chop the 50k gain ontop which u no won gree vomit.


In my own opinion,e no dey mandatory for emma to pay you above wetin you pay am unless he won dey generous. Him sell item for you,item no dey as described, na to return lappy and collect your money jejely end of story.

Emma desist from being cunning,e no make brain,if you state am say lappy get crack,who go buy go buy,instead of to run your fellow man street. The dead body wey u bury,na him leg don peep commot for ground wey people dey observe so. Make we try dey protect our business name.

Both parties have a fault in this case, @Aquaspunky ought to have inspect the laptop at the point of pickup or at least before sending it out to the other buyer, and @Emmanu19 “might” be aware of this crack and still went ahead to sale it without telling @Aquaspunky...the truth of the matter here is that, @Emmanu19 have nothing to lose in this case because his money was not “trapped” for weeks.
@Aquaspunky you have to compromise and collect your refund back.
You didn’t make profit here but at least you aren’t losing your money either, @Emmanu19 I would advice you reach out to @Aquaspunky and refund him back for peace to reign.
Let me drop my pen for now...

sotall:


Telling seller to pay you profit in addition to giving you refund is wishing thinking and grand delusion.

If we were to go by your logic, is AquaSpunky not also a dishonest and deceptive seller for selling an item that has crack to the second seller? Though he says he didn't check it but that's a lame excuse from someone who wants to make profit from selling a used item.

Please let's try and be reasonable. The crack we are talking about in this case is a crack on the frame and not a crack on the screen. It isnt a major fault or damage. A small sticker on the frame will cover that crack.

Fine, I know both parties are at fault to an extent,
But it’s the fact that seller is raising shoulder with 0 remorse, for a laptop he didn’t list properly,
I’m pretty sure if he stated the laptop had a crack, the buyer won’t buy at that amount , or may not even buy at all, because people that have money to buy that kind of laptop would want everything to be intact.
The buyer has been put in a box, and a refund is the only reasonable thing at this point.
And note that the buyer has already returned the laptop but the seller hasn’t refunded.
I don’t know who’ll bear the cost of waybill and dispatch and all.
Funny how you say let's try and be reasonable...then you make the most unreasonable sentence.
I know the seller is your brother, just let him know the internet never forgets.
Still waiting on his side of the story tho

Lol. Why is everyone reaching conclusions when the accused hasn't issued a statement?

I've missed a crack on a MacBook air frame. I'm sure some people reading this have also...
I just sold it at a discounted price and informed the picker about it (she missed it also). Regardless, my case may be different


Let's wait till Emmanu comment before we label him anything...

Anopheles:
Lol. Why is everyone reaching conclusions when the accused hasn't issued a statement?

I've missed a crack on a MacBook air frame. I'm sure some people reading this have also...
I just sold it at a discounted price and informed the picker about it (she missed it also). Regardless, my case may be different


[b]Let's wait till Emmanu comment [/b]before we label him anything...

He already said he won’t be commenting on the thread concerning the issue

AquaSpunky:
Good morning, everyone.

I bought a TLC deal (hp omen) from @emmanu19 on the 22nd of April; it was delivered to me on the 6th of May.
The laptop was properly sealed when it arrived, even though he confirmed it was a used laptop, so I didn’t bother opening it.

After a week, i sold it to a reseller who sold it to another vendor.
The reseller didn’t bother checking either, because we’ve been conducting smooth business transactions for months & never had any issue.

When the vendor delivered the laptop, the buyer opened the box & confirmed that it had a crack.
So, it was returned to me.

Upon receipt, i contacted @emmanu19 & asked for pictures.
Of all the pictures he sent, he mysteriously didn’t take pictures of the cracked part & said that he would refund or pay “small money” as a rebate.

I asked him to hold on because, the reseller said, he could find someone to fix the frame & see if he could sell it afterwards, which would be a win win for all.

Unfortunately, he couldn’t repair it, so i told @Emmanu19 & he said he would return the exact amount i paid (465k) & that if I didn’t return it before the end of May, he wouldn’t take the laptop back.

I felt attacked because, i was only trying to settle the issue amicably, then he said the worst I could do would be to report him here & he wouldn’t reply.

I was surprised that he changed the narrative. It is lucid he knew the laptop had a crack before he shipped it & deliberately cropped the cracked part out of the pictures he took.

Yesterday, the 30th, I returned the laptop to his handler, only for him to say that, i wouldn’t get my money until he sells the laptop or after two weeks.

Proof is attached for all to see & judge. I hope he tenders his so all can see who is at fault.

@Kreamie
@RakiticBarca
@Sheelay
@Anopheles
@Wildchild

Boss, it’s best you accept the refund without profit and move on. Two weeks has gone by already since you picked it up without checking

All I'd say is "TIME'S MONEY". Cropping those images are shady af and it's very sad. We await sellers side of the story but those pictures which are more than 1 are damn shady. Trust me if lappy no get issue na full picture we go see. No cap

Emmanu19 was last seen 5:30pm

Almost 24hrs after he has been called out, no response yet hmmmm

He already went on a full tirade on his whatsapp group saying he’d conduct business Mikky’s way, henceforth.
Prior to that, i went to pick the laptop at his handler’s.
I go chop my L in peace. I already gave too much candy for a dime; not worth it.
Thanks for your contribution, sir.

willbling:
All I'd say is "TIME'S MONEY". Cropping those images are shady af and it's very sad. We await sellers side of the story but those pictures which are more than 1 are damn shady. Trust me if lappy no get issue na full picture we go see. No cap

Hmmmmm Mikky's style It's now more than 24hrs yet the accused is yet to respond.

I'm sure everyone can see, na wetin we still dey talk, that WhatsApp groups should be abolished. See the way he addressed the complainant on his group just because he can do and undo.

Most of you caused it by worshipping and licking picker's ass just because of what you think you can gain. I think it's high time our people developed some self pride, make una dey clear anybody wey f up, Mikky never f up for my side before, but the moment he started ignoring my pick up requests just because we had a small issue, I blocked him and moved on and I haven't looked back since 13th Jan 2019.

As per the case itself, Aqua might have been wrong to have asked for refund + profit but we must not neglect the fact that Emmanu19 intentionally sold a defective laptop, it's very wrong. He even had the audacity to say he won't be refunding until after 2 weeks, haba untop say wetin happen? Claiming he can't do anything, na wetin vex me be that.

You dey Yankee no mean anything oooo, it doesn't make you better than any of your buyers, na just luck shine for your head. Many people who are more qualified have been to the embassy and were rejected, so stop letting your USA factor get into your head, you'll be shocked at many naija people with USA visas and still opted to stay here in Naija.

Buyers, don't let any picker Lord over you, if you have any problem with them and they're not forthcoming, go and arrest their handlers. I intentionally didn't join any NL WhatsApp group because it will cause too much familiarity and one might not be able say his mind because of what one is gaining. Someone needs to start talking sense to these new set of pickers, their arrogance is getting too much.

PS: If you're a friend or a regular buyer from Emmanu19 but you can't tell him the truth, shame on you!!!

..

AquaSpunky:
He already went on a full tirade on his whatsapp group saying he’d conduct business Mikky’s way, henceforth.
Prior to that, i went to pick the laptop at his handler’s.
I go chop my L in peace. I already gave too much candy for a dime; not worth it.
Thanks for your contribution, sir.

why not post the full screenshot of all the messages
You didn't show where he narrated is own of what really happened between you two.

AquaSpunky:
He already went on a full tirade on his whatsapp group saying he’d conduct business Mikky’s way, henceforth.
Prior to that, i went to pick the laptop at his handler’s.
I go chop my L in peace. I already gave too much candy for a dime; not worth it.
Thanks for your contribution, sir.

the whatsapp group admin, his members, the complaints and all the moderators that intervened.. all una dey craze!!!! Nothing concern NAIRALAND dispute thread with any transaction that went north on any rubbish TLC/AIN Whatsapp group. See as the nigga dey talk sef Haaahaaa. Unbelievable. Faceless forum be giving toddlers and eggs the guts to type gibberish without gettibg their tongues ripped off.

Surface11:
the whatsapp group admin, his members, the complaints and all the moderators that intervened.. all una dey craze!!!! Nothing concern NAIRALAND dispute thread with any transaction that went north on any rubbish TLC/AIN Whatsapp group. See as the nigga dey talk sef Haaahaaa. Unbelievable. Faceless forum be giving toddlers and eggs the guts to type gibberish without gettibg their tongues ripped off.

Is this really necessary?!

lekjons:
Is this really necessary?!

Yes your Honor. Scrap TLC/AIN whatsapp groups. Don't give any complaint audience! If they continue with all that Whatsapp groups, trust me before December Kasala wey go burst on here ? So annoying!

lekjons:
Is this really necessary?!

U dey part of the group?

A lot of people here have been hammering on the problems this so called WhatsApp groups have caused, and yet many people still dey rush dey go there, that's why some people dey act as if nothing can touch them, and turn themselves to minigod...

I think at this point, any item not sold through this means here on nairaland should not come to this resolution thread if the deal go south... Issues no dey plenty like this before the WhatsApp groups were created, and people can be cautioned or eliminated if they truly scam others...

This thread was created to reduce problems, fish out deceitful ones, and provide a safe environment for business transaction, but since many want to spread their wings and fly, they should deal with their problems wherever they fly to!

wildchild1:


Buyers, don't let any picker Lord over you, if you have any problem with them and they're not forthcoming, go and arrest their handlers. I !!

I strongly agree with this. Pls if you are to do such, pls make sure you are innocent and you are doing it by the book(legally)

Good morning, everyone.

I sold a tlc deal to @chelseaman on the 17th of april 2021

on the 5th of may he made a complain

[10:27 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Helo
[10:28 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: This watch I got from u ..one is 40MM...while the second is 44mm
[10:28 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: But u said both are 44mm


And my response was

[10:34 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: Tot I said one is 40
[10:35 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[10:35 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: U didn’t say one is 40mm
[10:35 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Check group
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: I’m sorry about that boss
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: That’s the first time I’m dealing with watch and the seller told me 44
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: How do we resolve
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: I already sold it and send it
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Let me hear from the guy
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: Just let me know please
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: I’m so sorry for this
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: It’s normal
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Not an issue
[10:38 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Na end user go tell us Wetin he want


On the 12th of may he made another complaint

[5:20 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: The person de worry me
[5:29 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Trying to pair it but seems it's lock
[5:29 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Its iCloud locked too
[5:30 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: But I have paired the other one 44mm
[5:31 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ahh
[5:31 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: I reset it and ran the serial no
[5:31 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Send the serial no to me
[5:34 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: That's what is at the back
[5:34 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I wanted to pair and check...that's when I noticed it's locked
[5:40 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: ??
[5:40 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: I can’t see the serial no boss
[5:41 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: That is how it is sir
[5:47 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: You can get it beside the watch
[5:47 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Where the strap is
[5:54 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: A2353 G99DDILGQ123 China



And my response

[6:12 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: How do we resolve
[6:13 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: You can’t contact the previous owner to remove the iCloud ?
[6:13 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Nope
[6:15 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Dam
[6:15 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I hate refunds
[6:15 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I hate it with passion
[6:16 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: How much is it boss
[6:17 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Got both 160k from u
[6:17 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: That’s 80k
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Yes
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Can I reset?
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: But I don’t like anything called refund at all
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Resel
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I don chop that profit since

On the 17th I refunded the amount he paid and asked him to send the item back to @wese which he said there wont be need to do that he will help me resell it

[10:43 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Sup boss can you help me send the watch to @wese
[12:27 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: Who pays for dispatch?
[2:09 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: How much boss
[2:12 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: Won’t exceed 3k
[2:13 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[2:13 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: How much can I sell it
[2:13 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: 20-30k max
[2:14 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: Help me sell pls
[2:14 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: Post it in the group...buyer should contact me
[2:15 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Sulzia Groups: Can you help me send the item back to wese
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Chelseamann: I will push for the sale
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Chelseamann: No need sending to wese
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Chelseamann: When I sale it..I will let u know


I didn’t get any response from him till the 30th when I messaged him

[8:54 PM, 5/30/2021] Sulzia Groups: Sup boss
[8:54 PM, 5/30/2021] Sulzia Groups: It’s been over two weeks and still no update on the stuff
[2:46 AM, 5/31/2021] Chelseamann: Good morning
[2:46 AM, 5/31/2021] Chelseamann: I have someone that have interest to buy that watch today
[2:46 AM, 5/31/2021] Chelseamann: I will update u before the end of the day
[8:30 AM, 5/31/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[3:00 AM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: boss i did not get any update from you
[3:33 AM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Saw an offer of 13k
[3:33 AM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Got another offer of 15
[3:33 AM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Can you help me send to wese please

And this morning when I was about to go to bed he told me he got an offer for 13-15k and I told him to send it back to @wese
Only for him to tell me this when I woke up

[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: hello
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Sorry
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Soo busy
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Send your acc
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Sold it 20k
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: boss abeg help me send am to wese
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: that was what i said
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: cant sell it for 20k
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Dam
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I have sold it already
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: please help me get it back
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: i told you this by 3.33 am



And after that he was telling me this

[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: No
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I already sold it by then
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: but i just told you this morning to send it back
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I was tying to see what to do about that
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I tried to get it back
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: But the buyer already used it
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I just de think how to explain the mata to u since
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ����
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Abeg pity and forgive me for my mistakes
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: boss i like when we have an agreeement and we stick to i
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I understand u
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I failed in this
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: i told you to send it cos we got a better buyer
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: and wese was waiting for the item
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Honestly. I sorry
[12:25 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I am very very sorry pls
[12:30 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss
[12:30 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Please help me collect back and refund
[12:30 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: I need the watch please
[12:31 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: The watch has being used for the purpose it was gotten for
[12:31 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss that does not matter to me
[12:32 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: What matters to me is that wese receives the watch please
[12:32 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: The watch can not be retrieve back sir
[12:32 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Pls
[12:35 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: See Wese already collected 45k from the person already and I can’t refund
[12:35 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Pls I don’t want wahala
[12:36 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: I have been telling you to send this thing back to wese for a very long time
[12:36 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: See eh boss, I sold it and forgot about it
[12:36 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: To be very sincere
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: When I remember, I was trying to see how best to explain it to u
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: When I told you not to send it
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I sold it that period I said I should sale it
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: But I totally forgot about it after that period
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: *U
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Na just recently I remember
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss I don’t want us to have any issue please retrieve the watch and send it to wese
[12:38 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: That watch can no be retrieved back sir
[12:39 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: If that’s the case...I would have to search for an iCloud locked iwatch and give u back.
The watch can’t be retrieved back.
[12:39 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Getting it back is not an option here sir
[12:42 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: The only option is refund the return I sent to you else please get the watch back
[12:43 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I will get you your watch
[12:43 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: 24 hours boss
[12:43 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Iwatch ICloud locked
[12:44 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: 24hours to get what pls
[12:45 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: The watch to wese
[12:45 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I can’t get it back in 24hours sir
[12:51 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I sold that watch the period u said this.
I forgot and that was my mistake. I apologize
[12:51 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I was soo occupied with a lot of things and Totally forgot to update u about the sale
[12:56 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss
[12:56 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Please help me get the watch
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Or refund the money I gave you
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Remember you told me here to help u sale it
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I can not get the watch back.
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: You told me to help u sale it and I did that
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: So calm down let’s settle it
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: No be to give 24hours ultimatum be the solution
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: I have told you my own
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: The rest is left to you
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Ok na
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I gave u a price for it and u agreed for me to sale it
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: All this threat won’t work
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Our chat is there as evidence
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss



Proof is attached for all to see & judge. I hope he tenders his so all can see who is at fault.

@wese

Kadima89:
Good morning, everyone.

I sold a tlc deal to @chelseaman on the 17th of april 2021

on the 5th of may he made a complain

[10:27 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Helo
[10:28 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: This watch I got from u ..one is 40MM...while the second is 44mm
[10:28 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: But u said both are 44mm


And my response was

[10:34 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: Tot I said one is 40
[10:35 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[10:35 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: U didn’t say one is 40mm
[10:35 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Check group
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: I’m sorry about that boss
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: That’s the first time I’m dealing with watch and the seller told me 44
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: How do we resolve
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: I already sold it and send it
[10:36 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Let me hear from the guy
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: Just let me know please
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Sulzia Groups: I’m so sorry for this
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: It’s normal
[10:37 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Not an issue
[10:38 AM, 5/5/2021] Chelseamann: Na end user go tell us Wetin he want


On the 12th of may he made another complaint

[5:20 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: The person de worry me
[5:29 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Trying to pair it but seems it's lock
[5:29 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Its iCloud locked too
[5:30 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: But I have paired the other one 44mm
[5:31 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ahh
[5:31 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: I reset it and ran the serial no
[5:31 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Send the serial no to me
[5:34 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: That's what is at the back
[5:34 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I wanted to pair and check...that's when I noticed it's locked
[5:40 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: ??
[5:40 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: I can’t see the serial no boss
[5:41 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: That is how it is sir
[5:47 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: You can get it beside the watch
[5:47 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Where the strap is
[5:54 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: A2353 G99DDILGQ123 China



And my response

[6:12 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: How do we resolve
[6:13 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: You can’t contact the previous owner to remove the iCloud ?
[6:13 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Nope
[6:15 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Dam
[6:15 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I hate refunds
[6:15 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I hate it with passion
[6:16 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: How much is it boss
[6:17 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Got both 160k from u
[6:17 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: That’s 80k
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: Yes
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Can I reset?
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: But I don’t like anything called refund at all
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Resel
[6:18 PM, 5/12/2021] Chelseamann: I don chop that profit since

On the 17th I refunded the amount he paid and asked him to send the item back to @wese which he said there wont be need to do that he will help me resell it

[10:43 PM, 5/12/2021] Sulzia Groups: Sup boss can you help me send the watch to @wese
[12:27 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: Who pays for dispatch?
[2:09 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: How much boss
[2:12 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: Won’t exceed 3k
[2:13 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[2:13 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: How much can I sell it
[2:13 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: 20-30k max
[2:14 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: Help me sell pls
[2:14 AM, 5/13/2021] Chelseamann: Post it in the group...buyer should contact me
[2:15 AM, 5/13/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Sulzia Groups: Can you help me send the item back to wese
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Chelseamann: I will push for the sale
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Chelseamann: No need sending to wese
[7:19 AM, 5/17/2021] Chelseamann: When I sale it..I will let u know


I didn’t get any response from him till the 30th when I messaged him

[8:54 PM, 5/30/2021] Sulzia Groups: Sup boss
[8:54 PM, 5/30/2021] Sulzia Groups: It’s been over two weeks and still no update on the stuff
[2:46 AM, 5/31/2021] Chelseamann: Good morning
[2:46 AM, 5/31/2021] Chelseamann: I have someone that have interest to buy that watch today
[2:46 AM, 5/31/2021] Chelseamann: I will update u before the end of the day
[8:30 AM, 5/31/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[3:00 AM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: boss i did not get any update from you
[3:33 AM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Saw an offer of 13k
[3:33 AM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Got another offer of 15
[3:33 AM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Can you help me send to wese please

And this morning when I was about to go to bed he told me he got an offer for 13-15k and I told him to send it back to @wese
Only for him to tell me this when I woke up

[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: hello
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Sorry
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Soo busy
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Send your acc
[12:19 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Sold it 20k
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: boss abeg help me send am to wese
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: that was what i said
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: cant sell it for 20k
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Dam
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I have sold it already
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: please help me get it back
[12:22 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: i told you this by 3.33 am



And after that he was telling me this

[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: No
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I already sold it by then
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: but i just told you this morning to send it back
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I was tying to see what to do about that
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I tried to get it back
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: But the buyer already used it
[12:23 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I just de think how to explain the mata to u since
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ����
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Abeg pity and forgive me for my mistakes
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: boss i like when we have an agreeement and we stick to i
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I understand u
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I failed in this
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: i told you to send it cos we got a better buyer
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: and wese was waiting for the item
[12:24 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Honestly. I sorry
[12:25 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I am very very sorry pls
[12:30 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss
[12:30 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Please help me collect back and refund
[12:30 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: I need the watch please
[12:31 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: The watch has being used for the purpose it was gotten for
[12:31 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss that does not matter to me
[12:32 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: What matters to me is that wese receives the watch please
[12:32 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: The watch can not be retrieve back sir
[12:32 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Pls
[12:35 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: See Wese already collected 45k from the person already and I can’t refund
[12:35 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Pls I don’t want wahala
[12:36 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: I have been telling you to send this thing back to wese for a very long time
[12:36 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: See eh boss, I sold it and forgot about it
[12:36 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: To be very sincere
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: When I remember, I was trying to see how best to explain it to u
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: When I told you not to send it
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I sold it that period I said I should sale it
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: But I totally forgot about it after that period
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: *U
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Na just recently I remember
[12:37 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss I don’t want us to have any issue please retrieve the watch and send it to wese
[12:38 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: That watch can no be retrieved back sir
[12:39 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: If that’s the case...I would have to search for an iCloud locked iwatch and give u back.
The watch can’t be retrieved back.
[12:39 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Getting it back is not an option here sir
[12:42 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: The only option is refund the return I sent to you else please get the watch back
[12:43 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I will get you your watch
[12:43 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: 24 hours boss
[12:43 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Iwatch ICloud locked
[12:44 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: 24hours to get what pls
[12:45 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: The watch to wese
[12:45 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I can’t get it back in 24hours sir
[12:51 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I sold that watch the period u said this.
I forgot and that was my mistake. I apologize
[12:51 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I was soo occupied with a lot of things and Totally forgot to update u about the sale
[12:56 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss
[12:56 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Please help me get the watch
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Or refund the money I gave you
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Remember you told me here to help u sale it
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[12:57 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: ...
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I can not get the watch back.
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: You told me to help u sale it and I did that
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: So calm down let’s settle it
[12:58 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: No be to give 24hours ultimatum be the solution
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Boss
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: I have told you my own
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: The rest is left to you
[1:03 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Ok na
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: I gave u a price for it and u agreed for me to sale it
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: All this threat won’t work
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Chelseamann: Our chat is there as evidence
[1:04 PM, 6/1/2021] Sulzia Groups: Ok boss



Proof is attached for all to see & judge. I hope he tenders his so all can see who is at fault.

@wese

Dem just run you street, kadima.

You sold 2 iwatch to me, both arrived and one was discovered to me iCloud locked, after everything said and done, we could not reach out to the previous owner to Remove the iCloud, we decided to sale it as iCloud locked, I gave you the price range and you agreed that I should help you sale it.
I sold it and when I tried to remit the money back to you, you said I should return the watch back to you, meanwhile, it’s already sold and the buyer has used it for its purpose.
I told you I can’t get the watch back.

You said I should return it back to wese because you have already sold it 45k and can’t refund the buyer back.
Meanwhile, me too I have sold it and the buyer have already used it, retrieving it back was impossible, you said I should return the initial 80k you refunded me for it or I return the watch back.
I also gave you the option of personally “sourcing” for another iCloud locked watch to give to u but you refuse.

Boss, please confirm that the excerpt of your conversation that he posted earlier is true.

chelseamann:
You sold 2 iwatch to me, both arrived and one was discovered to me iCloud locked, after everything said and done, we could not reach out to the previous owner to Remove the iCloud, we decided to sale it as iCloud locked, I gave you the price range and you agreed that I should help you sale it.
I sold it and when I tried to remit the money back to you, you said I should return the watch back to you, meanwhile, it’s already sold and the buyer has used it for its purpose.
I told you I can’t get the watch back.