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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Isobug: 2:39pm On Jun 02, 2021
bcomputer101:
Make una keep deceiving yourself.


How will you compare Bsc with ordinary HND.

To get admission in University, you need to score as high above 200 in JAMB.
But with just 120, you will get admission in any Polytechnic of your choice.


Incase you want to beat me, come my house
So you don't have reasoning? Common sense cannot tell you it's because of this same dichotomy that led to that?
This is the explanation: Too many candidates are applying for a University degree due to fear of dichotomy and superiority issue. Now candidates overwhelmed Universities draining that of polytechnic. This scenario warrants Universities to increase the their Cut-off mark as many Departments will not hold more than their quota.
If I may ask you why do some University Department cut higher than the other? The answer is clear, thesame thing apply to HND/BSc.
For quoting sake, I started with polytechnic, idah, went University of Calabar and University of Akron for postgraduate

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by masterpiecer(m): 2:41pm On Jun 02, 2021
For a very loooooooooong time this is the only commendable effort from the Nigerian senate.

A good news after tons of bad ones

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Awoo88: 2:43pm On Jun 02, 2021
Than the entry qualification should be the same.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by adanny01(m): 2:46pm On Jun 02, 2021
Afriqan:
Better... At least that would stop HND holders from being cheated when they do the same or even more work than their BSc. counterparts without getting recognised or promoted!

In my humble opinion, the national assembly should not have passed anything with regards the issue because no matter how they try, HND is not equivalent to Bachelors. The curriculum is not the same and the employment industries is also not the same if employment opportunities are readily available.

COREN will still not admit HND holders to Engineers register until they add a PGD. A Bachelors degree gets you on the Engineers register, HND gets you on the Technologist Register, OND gets you to the Technician register, and NABTEB, WASSC etc gets you on the craftsman register.

That's a system that the National assembly should not be interfering with. It is the responsibility of the ministry of education.

If both Bachelors and HND gets you to the Engineers register who then becomes a technologist.

Meanwhile, HND by training is designed to be employed as a technologist while the Bachelors is trained as an engineer. The best thing if they really wish to end the dichotomy is to abolish the HND and by implication the OND too. That is another complication arising.

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Boscolo: 2:51pm On Jun 02, 2021
Mckeni007:
It's very selfish to compare an HND to a Bsc
One who's supposed to be an assistant Lecturer in university is an HOD in the politechnic.
Universities lecture politechnic lecturers
Politechnic is a dumping ground for below average intellectual students
Politechnic admission process is more like that of a secondary school



A post by a University graduate. grin

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Yusufisraelj(m): 2:51pm On Jun 02, 2021
tydi:
They should also create jobs and not wasting time on frivolities .

Naija legislature Na scam!

Judiciary Na Junk.



You think this is frivolities? Guy pack well. Those who have suffered the HND dichotomy will tell you how far.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Vetsolo(m): 2:51pm On Jun 02, 2021
Now this is what it mean Bsc and Hnd start on grade level 8 step 2 ,when u get to level 14 ,Hnd will have to present an approved masters, Bsc or equivalent to progress to 15 else oyo [color=#990000][/color]
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by FBIBOT(m): 2:53pm On Jun 02, 2021
This is rubbish why not scrape ND and HND make polytechnic straight 4 years plus change of syllabus.. Polytechnic syllabus is over outdated.. Then let polytechnic award B.tech as certificate... This will solve a lot of result delay problems, make polytechnic students more serious and make the whole process worthwhile

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by OlujobaSamuel: 2:55pm On Jun 02, 2021
geemailer2019:


US colleges and universities accept HND graduates directly for MSc programs. World Education Services (WES) is one of the organizations who evaluate Nigerian degrees for advanced degrees in the US. If you have completed 120 credit hours at a college in Nigeria, your credential is evaluated as equivalent to a US degree and you're accepted directly into a Master's program.
You are right. However, some countries won't accept it. I think due to WES evaluation, only US currently accepts it. I once applied to a sch in Canada and I was told it's not acceptable.
I've tried to find out the status of the certificate and discovered that we are virtually the only country issuing it, others have done some modification, while we choose to get stuck in the mud.
Anyway, Na MSc be my own wahala for now, I don leave the 2 behind.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by adanny01(m): 2:56pm On Jun 02, 2021
Freksy:


In many companies, employees from polytechnics perform far better than those from the universities. They work with more confidence, and with little or no supervisions on technical jobs. Graduates from universities are found to be fairly better when it comes to paper works. It’s rather very selfish to say the dichotomy shouldn’t be removed.

Exactly, that's the kind of training each gets so they are not the same as National assembly is trying to say.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Freksy(m): 2:58pm On Jun 02, 2021
adanny01:


In my humble opinion, the national assembly should not have passed anything with regards the issue because no matter how they try, HND is not equivalent to Bachelors. The curriculum is not the same and the employment industries is also not the same if employment opportunities are readily available.

COREN will still not admit HND holders to Engineers register until they add a PGD. A Bachelors degree gets you on the Engineers register, HND gets you on the Technologist Register, OND gets you to the Technician register, and NABTEB, WASSC etc gets you on the craftsman register.

That's a system that the National assembly should not be interfering with. It is the responsibility of the ministry of education.

If both Bachelors and HND gets you to the Engineers register who then becomes a technologist.

Meanwhile, HND by training is designed to be employed as a technologist while the Bachelors is trained as an engineer. The best thing if they really wish to end the dichotomy is to abolish the HND and by implication the OND too. That is another complication arising.

They could have ended the dichotomy too by abolishing the Bsc. True or false?

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Boyooosa(m): 3:01pm On Jun 02, 2021
Dead on Arrival!

Even if death warrant is signed alongside, some organizations would rather prefer death sentence.... angry

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Codeye(m): 3:05pm On Jun 02, 2021
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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Shaev7(m): 3:06pm On Jun 02, 2021
bcomputer101:
Make una keep deceiving yourself.


How will you compare Bsc with ordinary HND.

To get admission in University, you need to score as high above 200 in JAMB.
But with just 120, you will get admission in any Polytechnic of your choice.


Incase you want to beat me, come my house
You are so funny! YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM IS A MESS.
Don't make gest of yourself. I know of someone with PhD gotten with his HND abroad.
Your system is a waste.
We should pray for opportunities. Do you think if I have HND and my dad or uncle is a Politician they will even look at that?
How many generals buhari retrd to appoint the current COAS...

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Isobug: 3:07pm On Jun 02, 2021
Mckeni007:
It's very selfish to compare an HND to a Bsc
One who's supposed to be an assistant Lecturer in university is an HOD in the politechnic.
Universities lecture politechnic lecturers
Politechnic is a dumping ground for below average intellectual students
Politechnic admission process is more like that of a secondary school



This is what we're talking about. You can't even Spell that Ordinary "Polytechnic". Upon all the University education

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Boscolo: 3:12pm On Jun 02, 2021
adanny01:


In my humble opinion, the national assembly should not have passed anything with regards the issue because no matter how they try, HND is not equivalent to Bachelors. The curriculum is not the same and the employment industries is also not the same if employment opportunities are readily available.

COREN will still not admit HND holders to Engineers register until they add a PGD. A Bachelors degree gets you on the Engineers register, HND gets you on the Technologist Register, OND gets you to the Technician register, and NABTEB, WASSC etc gets you on the craftsman register.

That's a system that the National assembly should not be interfering with. It is the responsibility of the ministry of education.

If both Bachelors and HND gets you to the Engineers register who then becomes a technologist.

Meanwhile, HND by training is designed to be employed as a technologist while the Bachelors is trained as an engineer. The best thing if they really wish to end the dichotomy is to abolish the HND and by implication the OND too. That is another complication arising.

A technologist doesn't really need to be a HND holder, ok. A bachelor of technology (BTech)can also be called a technologist.
Have you taken time to ask why some people are awarded BSc Engineering/BEng Engineering/BTech Engineering /BEngTech Engineering?
They are all Engineering degree but they are different in their field of training.
BSc Engineering: Engineering Scientist
BEng Engineering: Engineers
BTech Engineering /BEngTech Engineering: Engineering Technologist.
So, people can be trained to be a technologist and hold a degree in Engineering. Our problem in Nigeria is that we don't like to advance, hence the reason why our growth is so slow. Today in Ethiopia, nurses are allowed to carry out Caesarean(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-49666419), but if you suggest that in Nigeria you will hear even tailor telling you that it never, why should that be , it is not possible, but hey it does happen.
HND holders especially in STEM should be allowed to get to the pinnacle. If it may interest you it takes 120 credit load to get a degree in Nigeria (correct me if I am wrong), but it takes about 180 credit loads to get HND(that is why when you go for PGD 80% of what you ll be taught are what you have already done during your HND days )

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by jolyment: 3:19pm On Jun 02, 2021
Simplythebest:
This should not only be on job. It should include doing masters both in and outside the country after finishing HND not that they will tell u that u can't do masters with HND that is not recognized. The school aspect should be the major priority cus the HND is not recognized outside the country. They should make sure that HND and BSc is use and accepted like WAEC and NECO but in and outside the country.


HND is a diploma not a degree, it's difficult to equate HND and BSc.

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by laughter123: 3:19pm On Jun 02, 2021
Tben you are not current. Go to schools like Yabatech and know wassup.
quote author=bcomputer101 post=102297035]Make una keep deceiving yourself.


How will you compare Bsc with ordinary HND.

To get admission in University, you need to score as high above 200 in JAMB.
But with just 120, you will get admission in any Polytechnic of your choice.


Incase you want to beat me, come my house
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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by JerryJJZ(m): 3:21pm On Jun 02, 2021
bcomputer101:
Make una keep deceiving yourself.


How will you compare Bsc with ordinary HND.

To get admission in University, you need to score as high above 200 in JAMB.
But with just 120, you will get admission in any Polytechnic of your choice.


Incase you want to beat me, come my house

You must be stupid for calling HND "ordinary"... In fact, your head nor correct. Forget about the "glorified" BSc entry criterion and other inflated curriculum. HND doesnt get the attention it deserves and doesnt get praised enough. How do you justify the seniority? Has any research be conducted to establish that BSc is superior in terms of impactation, knowledge, experience, exposure or even technology.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by jolyment: 3:22pm On Jun 02, 2021
tayooluwole:


You're daft, I am a Bsc holder but i will like you tell me the difference between BSC and HND. No be the same environment of learning? Most HND holders i know are far brilliant than some of us way grad from Uni


Not the same environment, the lecturers in universities have higher qualifications and training. You can find out.

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by JerryJJZ(m): 3:24pm On Jun 02, 2021
Let a level ground be provided for both graduates. Let them prove their worth by the knowledge acquired, creativity and innovative mindset. Nobody should discriminate any because of the foundation.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by sgtponzihater1(m): 3:28pm On Jun 02, 2021
Nigeria and Educational qualification. BSC and HND are totally different, and should never be on the same pedestal. Even advanced countries do HND to BSC upgrade courses, and not the other way round.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Ishilove: 3:33pm On Jun 02, 2021
Passing the bill is one hurdle, the implementation is a bigger hurdle.

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Sheggy13(m): 3:35pm On Jun 02, 2021
Isobug:

So you don't have reasoning? Common sense cannot tell you it's because of this same dichotomy that led to that?
This is the explanation: Too many candidates are applying for a University degree due to fear of dichotomy and superiority issue. Now candidates overwhelmed Universities draining that of polytechnic. This scenario warrants Universities to increase the their Cut-off mark as many Departments will not hold more than their quota.
If I may ask you why do some University Department cut higher than the other? The answer is clear, thesame thing apply to HND/BSc.
For quoting sake, I started with polytechnic, idah, went University of Calabar and University of Akron for postgraduate
Polytechnics are not of same standard with Universities, that's a fact. Why then should their degrees be regarded as equal? A Master's degree holder can rise to become a chief lecturer (the highest rank in a Poly) or even rector in a Poly while such a person cannot become a Lecturer I in some Unis not talk of Senior lecturer, Associate Professor or professor as he has no PhD; or you feel PhD is a joke?

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Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jun 02, 2021
adanny01:


In my humble opinion, the national assembly should not have passed anything with regards the issue because no matter how they try, HND is not equivalent to Bachelors. The curriculum is not the same and the employment industries is also not the same if employment opportunities are readily available.

COREN will still not admit HND holders to Engineers register until they add a PGD. A Bachelors degree gets you on the Engineers register, HND gets you on the Technologist Register, OND gets you to the Technician register, and NABTEB, WASSC etc gets you on the craftsman register.

That's a system that the National assembly should not be interfering with. It is the responsibility of the ministry of education.

If both Bachelors and HND gets you to the Engineers register who then becomes a technologist.

Meanwhile, HND by training is designed to be employed as a technologist while the Bachelors is trained as an engineer. The best thing if they really wish to end the dichotomy is to abolish the HND and by implication the OND too. That is another complication arising.

Yes, I quite agree with you on the fact that professional councils like COREN will not set their bar lower and its probably for a good reason. I was just having having that discussion with an engineer who did HND before going for his BSc. and MSc. I know the scope woudn't affect professional bodies or even academic institutions, but let them start applying it in civil service where the job description is the same for HND and BSc. Eventually, they should scrap HND and allow polytechnics issue ND and B Tech.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jun 02, 2021
adanny01:


In my humble opinion, the national assembly should not have passed anything with regards the issue because no matter how they try, HND is not equivalent to Bachelors. The curriculum is not the same and the employment industries is also not the same if employment opportunities are readily available.

COREN will still not admit HND holders to Engineers register until they add a PGD. A Bachelors degree gets you on the Engineers register, HND gets you on the Technologist Register, OND gets you to the Technician register, and NABTEB, WASSC etc gets you on the craftsman register.

That's a system that the National assembly should not be interfering with. It is the responsibility of the ministry of education.

If both Bachelors and HND gets you to the Engineers register who then becomes a technologist.

Meanwhile, HND by training is designed to be employed as a technologist while the Bachelors is trained as an engineer. The best thing if they really wish to end the dichotomy is to abolish the HND and by implication the OND too. That is another complication arising.

Yes, I quite agree with you on the fact that professional councils like COREN will not set their bar lower and its probably for a good reason. I was just having having that discussion with an engineer who did HND before going for his BSc. and MSc. I know the scope woudn't affect professional bodies or even academic institutions, but let them start applying it in civil service where the job description is the same for HND and BSc. Eventually, they should scrap HND and allow polytechnics issue ND and B Tech degrees.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by inkristed(m): 3:44pm On Jun 02, 2021
Sheggy13:

Polytechnics are not of same standard with Universities, that's a fact. Why then should their degrees be regarded as equal? A Master's degree holder can rise to become a chief lecturer (the highest rank in a Poly) or even rector in a Poly while such a person cannot become a Lecturer I in some Unis not talk of Senior lecturer, Associate Professor or professor as he has no PhD; or you feel PhD is a joke?

Tell them o

I don't know why this should be up for a debate
Are the criteria for getting into a university the same as Poly?
Is the syllabus the same?

And from my little observation, the products are significantly different.
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Isobug: 3:50pm On Jun 02, 2021
Sheggy13:

Polytechnics are not of same standard with Universities, that's a fact. Why then should their degrees be regarded as equal? A Master's degree holder can rise to become a chief lecturer (the highest rank in a Poly) or even rector in a Poly while such a person cannot become a Lecturer I in some Unis not talk of Senior lecturer, Associate Professor or professor as he has no PhD; or you feel PhD is a joke?
That's the dichotomy we're talking about
Re: Senate Passes Bill Abolishing HND/BSc Dichotomy by Nobody: 3:54pm On Jun 02, 2021
geemailer2019:


US colleges and universities accept HND graduates directly for MSc programs. World Education Services (WES) is one of the organizations who evaluate Nigerian degrees for advanced degrees in the US. If you have completed 120 credit hours at a college in Nigeria, your credential is evaluated as equivalent to a US degree and you're accepted directly into a Master's program.

Oh okay. Didn’t know that. Because when it was time for my masters all they told me was I need a Bsc. But that was UK though.

Then I guess there’s no point of a Bsc then. Everyone might as well do an HND if it’s equivalent. Because I believe HND’s are less rigorous to get admitted and complete than Bsc.

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