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Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 7:57am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: I don't mind you asking questions or trying to disprove what I wrote, but look at the way you have gone about it. I literally had to explain to you several times I was not using the god of the gaps argument despite it been clear I was not using it and so many others. I am open to discussion provided we are not blinded on our own arguments to see the points/merits in another's. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 7:59am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: Let's start on a clean slate then. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by LordReed(m): 8:11am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer: Ok |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 8:15am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: The ball is now in your court to counter my post. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by LordReed(m): 8:57am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer: Ok, one more time, what are you trying to say? |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 8:59am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:You are trying hard to commit the fallacy of ad ignoratiam |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 10:09am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: To be concise, I am saying: Science accepts as facts what can be SEEN, MEASURED or PERCEIVED indirectly. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 10:13am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Workch: Pardon, I have not committed that fallacy. Go and learn more about that fallacy. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by LordReed(m): 10:35am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer: Ok, how does this relate to belief in a god? |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 10:41am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: Boss it is clear from my post. Romans 1:20 points to the fact that God's invisible qualities and his Godship can be PERCEIVED indirectly in a similar way. Atheist are yet to realize the third aspect. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by LordReed(m): 11:08am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer: In what way can these qualities be perceived? |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Image123(m): 11:16am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: i have said all that i need to say, may God be with you. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:19am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: First you need to know what the qualities are: Of all God’s wonderful qualities, four are outstanding: his power (JEREMIAH 32:17), wisdom ( PSALM 104:24), justice ( PSALM 37:28), and love (1 JOHN 4: 8 ). These are part of his qualities that can be PERCEIVED indirectly from his creation. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:22am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:Becuase we don’t know what constitute 70% of the universe hence god exist. Lol That’s Ad ignoratiam. Because we don’t know about dark mater yet doesn’t mean god exist This is classical case of appealing to ignorance and false equivalence at the same time. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Dtruthspeaker: 11:24am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Image123: I know! |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:24am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Workch: You are still wrong, I have addressed this already, go to page 2 and 3 of this post and see where it was trashed. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:28am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Workch: Let me just help you out with the import of my post because many atheist struggled to understand it. It is as follows below: To be concise, I am saying for a fact: Science accepts as facts what can be SEEN, MEASURED or PERCEIVED indirectly, and not just what can be SEEN or MEASURED as atheist believe. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:28am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:I’m not wrong because you said I’m wrong. That’s also a fallacy. Saying God exist because we don’t understand dark energy yet is faulty equivalence and appeal to ignorance at the this same time. Whether or not we understand black matteris not evidence for God. It’s hilarious. It’s like saying because we didnt understand gravity before newton, it means god exist. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:29am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Workch: Refer to LordReed. The fallacy equivalence has been trashed too. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:31am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:Dark matter can be measured, that’s why we know it’s 70% of the constituent of the universe. Why are you arguing like a kindergarten? It’s faulty equivalence unless you want to tell us how much of universe in percentage is controled by God with measurable experiment and method which is applicable to dark energy. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:32am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:It hasn’t been trashed, you are funny because you said 70% of the universe is dark matter and it can’t be measured, so how did they arrive at 70%? Think na |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by LordReed(m): 11:35am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer: So basically let's attribute the universe to god because we attribute known effects to an unknown energy called dark energy, is what you are saying? |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:36am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Workch: Dark energy has not be PROPERLY MEASURED, that is just at best a rough guess. That value can't be compared to other scientific constants, like the speed of light, the rate of acceleration due to gravity, amongst other constant, that have been arrived by instrumental testing repeatedly and methodically. The value for Dark energy is at best a guess and not a constant. Know the difference. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:37am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:so how did they arrive at 70%? I will help you see your flaws little by little |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:40am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: No, don't bring a comparison but follow the simple logic I put forward. Science believes that what can either be SEEN, MEASURED or PERCEIVED INDIRECTLY is real and a fact. Roman's 1: 20 says God's qualities and his Godship can be PERCEIVED indirectly by his creation. It follow the same logic as science. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:42am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:But we have measured dark energy to be 70% of the universe with a methodology that is verifiable, no verifiable method can test God. It’s faulty equivalence oga, you god cannot be tested, dark energy can be tested. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by LordReed(m): 11:42am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer: What in the universe is indicative of this god's power? |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:43am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Workch: Do you know the implications when dark energy is finally understood? It might mean we would now have MULTI-UNIVERSES which will shoot the estimation of dark energy in the multi-universes to more than 99.9999999999%, but it will still be based on estimation, as nobody can travel to all the corners of the universe or if we have many universes, multi-verse! |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:44am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:No one is talking about multiverse, straw man Radio telescopes have become the major tool in mapping the effects of Dark Energy across the Universe, what method do you have to test your God? Faulty equivalence |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:45am On Jun 13, 2021 |
LordReed: That's a good question. It will take me a little while to write it out, so bear with me. |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by needanswer: 11:46am On Jun 13, 2021 |
Workch: Nothing, I repeat NOTHING can DIRECTLY measure DARK ENERGY! you are the one using straw man's argument. Read up! |
Re: This Is For Those That Believe God Does Not Exist Because He Can't Be Seen by Workch: 11:46am On Jun 13, 2021 |
needanswer:Just give us a method that is repeatable and that will give same result every time like radio telescope for dark energy. |
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