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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Naijapal: 6:04pm On Jun 14, 2021
BiigTee:
I would have shared in ur opinion if I didn't go there personally and see depth of the problem first hand.. I went to he site.. Stood on the decking at point A. The engineer walked and took a little jump on point B and the whole decking bounced! I was even scared for myself! If not that the engineer was well grounded in the field he would have ended his contract there and then! As that wasn't initially what he was paid to do! He was paid to supervise block work, lintel and parapet works..

After the cost of corrections done over there.. I can't even afford to do parapet again.. As funds budgeted have been largely depleted on corrections!.

The engineer in question didn't charge a penny extra on his professional fees for the corrections he did as he knew that the issue was unforseen and already costing alot! I bought all the materials myself! So he the engineer didn't gain anything from pointing out an obvious issue!


To be candid and blunt, I think the new engineer con you. He capitalized on your fear.
That building footprint doesn't need what he did, especially when the structural drawing was followed. Except the structural drawing was incorrect.

It doesn't look like any beam spans more than 4m.

Edit: this is not to say that there was no error in levelling.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Naijapal: 6:13pm On Jun 14, 2021
GlassHearts:



Wow I can't believe this and to think my Inlaw and I almost called his number after recommendation from an associate.. But I said no let me come and investigate this Rotech on nairaland. Wow! This is unfair.Imagine putting my structure in LEKKI ajah in his hands and he won't be accountable for any issues.
Please he needs to reimburse at least half of the. 1.2 million before I will ever consider him that will justify he's an honest business man.
Kindly let us know on this platform how it goes it will really help.
Sorry again sir.
Oga ooooo!









You just registered, oga.
Are you trying to intimidate him into refunding more than he's liable for?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Naijapal: 6:19pm On Jun 14, 2021
Before we crucify the contractor:
We should investigate the cause of the vibration while we hold the contractor for the sloping deck.

Making him to refund for what is not his fault would not satisfy law of justice. He should only refund to the extent to which he is liable.

Is the vibration caused by poor workmanship(eg poor concrete mix ratio)?
Or inaccurate structural drawing? Or poor quality material?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by GoodFaith: 6:23pm On Jun 14, 2021
Naijapal:


You just registered, oga.
Are you trying to intimidate him into refunding more than he's liable for?


You People grouping together for BS
Why did you think he/she is here to intimidate?
Lots of fuckers here playing games
There are different type of 419 and Yahoo-- Nairaland should not be use for games
Anyway We Nigerians don't like doing thing the right way-- it's all about Nigeria
Nigeria is a dead country and buried 60 FT under
It's great to just watch lot of people here supporting and defending each other
Sad

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Naijapal: 6:27pm On Jun 14, 2021
GoodFaith:



You People grouping to together for BS
Why did you think he/she is here to intimidate?
Lots of fuckers here playing games
There are different type 419 and Yahoo-- Nairaland should not ne use for games
Anyway We Nigerians don't like doing thing the right way-- it's all about Nigeria
Nigeria is a dead country and buried 60 FT under
Because the account was registered for the purpose of the issue at hand.
1) first post: it quoted spyder880 and changed what was quoted
2) second post: he claimed having a contract to give the accused.

Edit: I may not be accurate most times in my argument but I try to think rationally.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Beframia: 6:44pm On Jun 14, 2021
I've fired the building supervisor for my project he took to roofing level because of a suck away he built whose slab is sloppy and other shortfalls too annoying to mention. He didn't know I was going to show up at the site on that day, he only mobilized some rookies to site and travelled to another town and those ones ended up doing a shoddy job. I practically was the one telling them what to do ... just imagine! Although, I've learnt my lesson.

dapotemi:
Hmmn, one tiring aspect of building, from the owners perspective is when you have made frantic effort to search for a supposedly qualified builder/engineer, negotiated, paid and what he does is just to assembly some local slowpoke called artisans together, take them to the site, mobilize them (with a very tiny fraction of what you paid him), and off he disappears! You won't see him again! He shows up only to ask for balance, this is my headache with you guys, all my friends and family that are building also have the same or similar situation...... Anytime I talk about engineers or even architect, experience friends and family member go just laugh, their thought, 'just assemble those artisan together and tell them what you want to achieve'... Your so called engr will most likely do the same... This method doesn't resonate with me, but it's just what it is..
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by arixona: 7:04pm On Jun 14, 2021
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by dongc(m): 7:07pm On Jun 14, 2021
[quote author=GlassHearts post=102710042][/quote]

Spyder880 didn't say this or would make such statement...

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Hatesin: 7:11pm On Jun 14, 2021
Beframia:

I've fired the building supervisor for my project he took to roofing level because of a suck away he built whose slab is sloppy and other shortfalls too annoying to mention. He didn't know I was going to show up at the site on that day, he only mobilized some rookies to site and travelled to another town and those ones ended up doing a shoddy job. I practically was the one telling them what to do ... just imagine! Although, I've learnt my lesson.

Well, to me there's no "professional" in building as far as Nigeria is concerned. What the self acclaimed professionals do with people's projects is trial and error and the client ends up being the one teaching them what to do and even how to do it.
I handle my projects myself because I can't afford to pay a "professional" and end up supervising the professional.

I wish people will learn how to go about their projects, then they would realize that the money they waste on foundation alone in the name of "professional this, professional that" would be enough to get them far into the project.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 7:17pm On Jun 14, 2021
10thTenthMan:


Who did this 3D Rendition?

Please let the person contact me.

Thank you.

If it's the Lanai rendition you mean, l stole it online o. I take God beg you, no tell anybody o.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adeememman(m): 7:28pm On Jun 14, 2021
GlassHearts:



Wow I can't believe this and to think my Inlaw and I almost called his number after recommendation from an associate.. But I said no let me come and investigate this Rotech on nairaland. Wow! This is unfair.Imagine putting my structure in LEKKI ajah in his hands and he won't be accountable for any issues.
Please he needs to reimburse at least half of the. 1.2 million before I will ever consider him that will justify he's an honest business man.
Kindly let us know on this platform how it goes it will really help.
Sorry again sir.
Oga ooooo!
And you just registered today








Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by hslbroker2(m): 8:05pm On Jun 14, 2021
diordaves:


If it's the Lanai rendition you mean, l stole it online o. I take God beg you, no tell anybody o.

LOL but u already told the whole wide world
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rmx: 8:51pm On Jun 14, 2021
Hatesin:

Well, to me there's no "professional" in building as far as Nigeria is concerned. What the self acclaimed professionals do with people's projects is trial and error and the client ends up being the one teaching them what to do and even how to do it.
I handle my projects myself because I [/b]can't afford to pay a "professional" and end up supervising the professional. [b]

I wish people will learn how to go about their projects, then they would realize that the money they waste on foundation alone in the name of "professional this, professional that" would be enough to get them far into the project.

Above was funny to me grin , but seriously there are good reasonable professionals out there

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by dapotemi: 9:09pm On Jun 14, 2021
rmx:


Above was funny to me grin , but seriously there are good reasonable professionals out there

Yes, but they won't stay... Why collect my money? The reason why I put your ass on the project is because I knew you're good and you're a professional. Why not sit your ass down and focus on my job if you've been paid and you agreed!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by OAKGroup(m): 9:32pm On Jun 14, 2021
Naijapal:


The flight of this stairs is too long. While it looks nice, it functionally not okay. It would be tiring for kids to climb.
Even for adults.
Half landing should have been introduced in 2 to 3 places.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by OAKGroup(m): 9:34pm On Jun 14, 2021
dapotemi:
Hmmn, one tiring aspect of building, from the owners perspective is when you have made frantic effort to search for a supposedly qualified builder/engineer, negotiated, paid and what he does is just to assembly some local slowpoke called artisans together, take them to the site, mobilize them (with a very tiny fraction of what you paid him), and off he disappears! You won't see him again! He shows up only to ask for balance, this is my headache with you guys, all my friends and family that are building also have the same or similar situation...... Anytime I talk about engineers or even architect, experience friends and family member go just laugh, their thought, 'just assemble those artisan together and tell them what you want to achieve'... Your so called engr will most likely do the same... This method doesn't resonate with me, but it's just what it is..
Probably you haven't been meeting with contractors that don't have a name to build or protect.
Good folks are out there.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:45pm On Jun 14, 2021
#TheNonuplets by NextHome | Proactive Measure

Applying initiative prior to the start of our numerous concrete works to ensure there are no unnecessary delays, manage our schedule and flags anomalies thereby reducing human error.
______

Solar lighting provided by our client cool

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bolu1986(m): 11:14pm On Jun 14, 2021
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 3strikes: 11:32pm On Jun 14, 2021
BiigTee:
If you have given rotech77 a job before.. Call another engineer to investigate the structural integrity of that building.. Perhaps he is just another baba lati charading as a professional!.. He doesn't care about ur building as far as he has collected his penny!

U must have a death wish if u contract someone who is ok wit ur decking bouncing like an overhead bridge..

DO NOT WORK WITH ARBO contractor! DO NOT WORK with ROTECH77..


Rotech 77 : I understand the learning curve but this is not a good review at all.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smallsmall: 11:47pm On Jun 14, 2021
Naijapal:


The flight of this stairs is too long. While it looks nice, it functionally not okay. It would be tiring for kids to climb.

OAKGroup:

Even for adults.
Half landing should have been introduced in 2 to 3 places.

There is actually an established, scientific Formula for design Staircases, based on their Length and Height, to determine the Risers.
Builders need to use it.

The Half landing takes off the Leg Stres, Save Space and is pleasing .
to the eyes
Accidents may happen if a Staircase is not well designed because anyone may fall when walking on it.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smallsmall: 11:59pm On Jun 14, 2021
dapotemi:


Yes, but they won't stay... Why collect my money? The reason why I put your ass on the project is because I knew you're good and you're a professional. Why not sit your ass down and focus on my job if you've been paid and you agreed!

Most times, it is as a result of GREED, taking on too much jobs at a time.
You might be a very good professional, but when you delegate your responsibility, without proper supervision time, bad things will happen to your name.

I had the same experience with one of the contractors here on this thread. I paid him, he left his Workers to do the job but they were just slowing my work down and playing around because they said he was paying them on a daily basis and has been owing them for two weeks, despite having collected almost all the Amount billed for the job. I had to resort to giving them money from my pocket so that they wont delay my work any further, the fool was busy somewhere else but never opened up. angry

Best thing is to take only jobs you know you have the capacity and time to oversee.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smallsmall: 12:17am On Jun 15, 2021
rotecch77:


Infact I like all you have been doing since the beginning of this issue till now.
May Almighty God rewards you and others in better form sir.
As builder by education not self acclaimed we hand BUILDING CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE plus others related ones.

We really appreciate you by boosting on it that you know us in mechanical and electrical aspect of the building work.
Maybe your mind skip the construction aspect of our work,Soon you will see our old and present real construction work sir.

And to the cleint we have agreed for the payment of 250k back to him.
1st payment today N100k
2nd payment N75k
3rd payment N75k two weeks time.

I really appreciate you all
Thanks


God bless you.
Take this as a learning experience (a very expensive one though), note where you went wrong, learn from it and get better at it.
I am happy yourself and your Client have been able to AGREE to a Sum.
A Good Name is Priceless
.

Like l said, l was judging you based on your work that l have seen and most of these are in the areas of Mechanical and Electrical, if you are into Building as well, l wish you well, going forward.

Every Man will fall but Real Men are the ones that will get up and go further.

@BigTee: Thank you for putting this matter to rest and agreeing at that resolution. Please, still allow someone independent and trained in Structures, to just have a look at it, no need to retain him, just let him say this Decking is still okay and will not crash one day.

My fears may be unfounded but l will rather err, on the side of caution I nor get Liver like some people here. grin

Edit: And Please dont forget your promise, once the agreement is done and dusted, you promise to remove your Posts on this (I wonder if that will not be too late or whether we can persuade all who are quoted them, to delete them shocked )
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Beframia: 12:23am On Jun 15, 2021
The guy I contracted was also busy with another job elsewhere - in another state but didn't open up to me. I got to know from one of the boys he sent to work on my site.

smallsmall:


Most times, it is as a result of GREED, taking on too much jobs at a time.
You might be a very good professional, but when you delegate your responsibility, without proper supervision time, bad things will happen to your name.

I had the same experience with one of the contractors here on this thread. I paid him, he left his Workers to do the job but they were just slowing my work down and playing around because they said he was paying them on a daily basis and has been owing them for two weeks, despite having collected almost all the Amount billed for the job. I had to resort to giving them money from my pocket so that they wont delay my work any further, the fool was busy somewhere else but never opened up. angry

Best thing is to take only jobs you know you have the capacity and time to oversee.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:58am On Jun 15, 2021
In 2015, I wrote this but I’ve realized over the years that’s it’s very difficult for many people to comprehend my messages.

This explains the reason why I stylishly dodge finishing in my builds and focus more on carcass.

We’ve talked about engaging private consultants to oversee construction work done by contractors regardless their level of professionalism. It was right here that some folks claim there are pros here who do not require supervision.

Just for those who wish to learn, engaging a private consultant on a project isn’t done because you doubted the competence of your builder but to avoid regrettable errors. He’s there to checkmate what the builder is doing and to also validate the quality of work as each milestone is attained.

Imagine this was done on the issue raised above, one person would have spotted the error and request that the contractor correct his mistakes.

_______

We’ve recently also talked about number of jobs that a builder can undertake at a time. Some still felt those who are not answering every call in every villages in Nigeria are not “called of god.”

Some are moved by the busy works and activities.

lipsrsealed

_______

Lastly, we’ve seen builders who chose to focus on their area of core competence. It’s still here we see people looking for a key from a builder engaged to handle only carcass.

#AWonderfulWorld

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 2:28am On Jun 15, 2021
smallsmall:


Most times, it is as a result of GREED, taking on too much jobs at a time.
You might be a very good professional, but when you delegate your responsibility, without proper supervision time, bad things will happen to your name.


Experience has shaped us over the years.

With my clients knowledge, I once delegated a project to an engineer recommended by my client’s folk and he messed up badly but I get to bear the brunt.

Today, I personally supervise all my builds. I hardly miss a day on my site because I don’t take on more than one project at a time and I’ve learnt to set up boundaries/limit.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smallsmall: 2:39am On Jun 15, 2021
n3xt:
In 2015, I wrote this but I’ve realized over the years that’s it’s very difficult for many people to comprehend my messages.

This explains the reason why I stylishly dodge finishing in my builds and focus more on carcass.

We’ve talked about engaging private consultants to oversee construction work done by contractors regardless their level of professionalism. It was right here that some folks claim there are pros here who do not require supervision.

Just for those who wish to learn, engaging a private consultant on a project isn’t done because you doubted the competence of your builder but to avoid regrettable errors. He’s there to checkmate what the builder is doing and to also validate the quality of work as each milestone is attained.

Imagine this was done on the issue raised above, one person would have spotted the error and request that the contractor correct his mistakes.

_______

We’ve recently also talked about number of jobs that a builder can undertake at a time. Some still felt those who are not answering every call in every villages in Nigeria are not “called of god.”

Some are moved by the busy works and activities.

lipsrsealed

_______

Lastly, we’ve seen builders who chose to focus on their area of core competence. It’s still here we see people looking for a key from a builder engaged to handle only carcass.

#AWonderfulWorld

Brabus, l m sure, like everyone, you know that these Nairaland Quotes and Screen Shots you post, CANNOT BE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED, THAT THEY ACTUALLY EXISTED or are BEING FABRICATED. undecided
How l wish you provide working links to them and w can independently go and read what transpired, since you dont miss an opportunity to always use such unverifiable Screen Snaps to defend yourself. cheesy

I think l remember that someone here accused you that you dont have a single Building, from Foundation to key-Handover, in your name and that is why you are seizing this opportunity to post the above.
Bad, sharp Warri boy cheesy

Anyway, you did a lot of this sort of these "unprofessional mistakes" in that 2014/2015/2016 period so, you can relate well with them so dont be an opportunist trying to use this single one of @Rotech 77, to take shine. grin grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smallsmall: 2:43am On Jun 15, 2021
n3xt:
#TheNonuplets by NextHome | Proactive Measure

Applying initiative prior to the start of our numerous concrete works to ensure there are no unnecessary delays, manage our schedule and flags anomalies thereby reducing human error.
______

Solar lighting provided by our client cool


This is really nice and Proactive, how l wish the Contractor can borrow from this and provide Lighting for themselves, incase their work, especially that of Pouring Concrete, will extend into the night.
And who says Workers cant even work overnight, if there is proper lighting? undecided

Welldone bro.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 2:50am On Jun 15, 2021
smallsmall:


Brabus, l m sure, like everyone, you know that these Nairaland Quotes and Screen Shots you post, CANNOT BE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED, THAT THEY ACTUALLY EXISTED or are BEING FABRICATED. undecided
How l wish you provide working links to them and w can independently go and read what transpired, since you dont miss an opportunity to always use such unverifiable Screen Snaps to defend yourself. cheesy

I think l remember that someone here accused you that you dont have a single Building, from Foundation to key-Handover, in your name and that is why you are seizing this opportunity to post the above.
Bad, sharp Warri boy cheesy

[s]Anyway, you did a lot of this sort of greedy, unprofessional mistakes in that 2014/2015/2016 period so, you can relate well with them so dont be an opportunist trying to use this single one of @Rotech 77, to take shine[/s]. grin grin

Smiles.

You should know I don’t cook up lies. The fact are up there to verify.

As a matter of fact, the Brabus Nairaland ID ceased working since 2015 so there’s no way to modify posts or fabricate one.

Just as I mentioned, a lot of folks will still read my posts and chose to attack the poster instead of taking the lessons.

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Me an opportunists you mean. I laugh in Swahili.

As a matter of fact, I’ve defended more builders here than anyone else can ever imagine.

Just for the records, I’m still handling another negotiation for rotecch77 in the background without his knowledge.

Do you need a proof? I won’t mind sharing my recent engagement with a potential client of his in the last few mins.


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Even @rotecch77 won’t dare call me an opportunist. I make a bold statement.

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I know you asked for link to my 2015 post. Here’s it https://www.nairaland.com/1588017/nexthome-builders-2014-2015-new/4#29974472

Brabus don’t delete posts. Truth needs no defense.

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