Juliusmomoh:

You got angry just because i said " young man " ? .... I can bet my balls that you are catching cruise with this statement. You were the first to insult me. Calling me stupid is the worst insult ever.... But i don't get angry. But i can't fathom how " young man " is an insult to you. #bye i don't speak with arrogant minded human.

I am the farthest thing you will get to arrogance,if I call you stupid it was our of context and I'd apologize for my choice of words in the same sentence.

shogsman:

Aren't you the same dude that posted this rubbish the other day, permit my language.

Stop being childish...

Your arguments rest on the a faulty foundation -- that the five senses are the only human means of perception. If you can agree that you have other faculties of perception and begin to exercise them, you may want to change your mind.

The truth is that people who can actually prove these things have little to no interest in convincing doubters.

shogsman:

I am the farthest thing you will get to arrogance,if I call you stupid it was our of context and I'd apologize for my choice of words in the same sentence.

Read your signature again please

Juliusmomoh:

You got angry just because i said " young man " ? .... I can bet my balls that you are catching cruise with this statement. You were the first to insult me. Calling me stupid is the worst insult ever.... But i don't get angry. But i can't fathom how " young man " is an insult to you. #bye i don't speak with arrogant minded human.

What I had expected from you is proof or even a hypothetical synopsis on the subject matter,I explicitly said I wanted contribution from matured and informed individuals for a reason,what you have done since you suggest they'd find my dead body if I go to some crappy place to do whatever... Is a subjective bias over something you know little to nothing about.you want to believe in ghosts and shit of course be my guest,but give me proof of existence not unnecessary chatter.

shogsman:

Usually when someone put a question Mark at the end of your comment the intention is to explain what the word means or to at least rewrite it in a way the person would understand,your ability or inability to make errors is not a concern of mine, I ask again what do you mean by chame?

What I mean is charm,juju,voodoo, Ogun abene gongo,magani,jazz, and my question is why the so called charm,voodoo, Ogun,magani or jazz failed?
If truly u are what u claim to be u should know the answer to this question

ThothHermes:
Your arguments rest on the a faulty foundation -- that the five senses are the only human means of perception. If you can agree that you have other faculties of perception and begin to exercise them, you may want to change your mind.

The truth is that people who can actually prove these things have little to no interest in convincing doubters.

Don't mind him, he is just seeking attention

ThothHermes:
Your arguments rest on the a faulty foundation -- that the five senses are the only human means of perception. If you can agree that you have other faculties of perception and begin to exercise them, you may want to change your mind.

The truth is that people who can actually prove these things have little to no interest in convincing doubters.

This set of people you mentioned do not exist sir.
I've spoken to theologians from different countries so this is not just a sudden assertion,and every educated and enlightened individual would agree with me, but in this part of the world due to how most of you were brought up this beliefs has been instilled in you it's become like a cornerstone in your life that you cannot question because of the fear of how your loved ones and your society will see you.
But in all truth,there is nothing to it.there is no supernatural,quit watching those vampires and witches movies because it is not real

Juliusmomoh:

Don't mind him, he is just seeking attention

Perhaps you should stick to the romance section, you're not mature enough to discuss this things, I mean you wanted to buy a 5,000 naira car for God's sake,I do not mean this as an insult bro,you don't fit in here,caio

shogsman:

This set of people you mentioned do not exist sir.
I've spoken to theologians from different countries so this is not just a sudden assertion,and every educated and enlightened individual would agree with me, but in this part of the world due to how most of you were brought up this beliefs has been instilled in you it's become like a cornerstone in your life that you cannot question because of the fear of how your loved ones and your society will see you.
But in all truth,there is nothing to it.there is no supernatural,quit watching those vampires and witches movies because it is not real

I no get strength for argument. Na money I need now.

Too many un believers here in nairaland

shogsman:

Perhaps you should stick to the romance section, you're not mature enough to discuss this things, I mean you wanted to buy a 5,000 naira car for God's sake,I do not mean this as an insult bro,you don't fit in here,caio

If u take everything serious in life, early grave is not far ferched.... There's what they called 'HUMOUR' and if you don't have it, alaye forget it you are finish

Juliusmomoh:

If u take everything serious in life, early grave is not far ferched.... There's what they called 'HUMOUR' and if you don't have it, alaye forget it you are finish

Forgive my old grumpy self but If I wanted to listen to incessant chatter or jokes I'll hook up with a clockwife,you don't have anything interesting to contribute so kindly skedaddle boy,go to your peers in the romance section and crack jokes for them.caio

ThothHermes:
I no get strength for argument. Na money I need now.

Well I hope you find what you're looking for

Simple question you cannot answer but according to you , you're an expert on life

You're asking me to do a spell for you? Did I tell you I don't believe in the supernatural? You want to be convinced yet you want to watch video.

You are not ready at all. You're calling me brainwashed for telling you to do a practical thing? What are you afraid of? If the supernatural doesn't exist, reading the seventh book of Moses will be like reading a novel to you.

Don't come here asking questions if you don't have the balls to find the answer to your question. You want people to spoonfeed you.

Yen yen yen... I have visited herbalists, na by visit? Ordinary spell you're already shaking. Please go and rest, if you don't believe in supernatural, it won't cease to exist or disappear because of your disbelief.

And if you think you will spend years on this earth without experiencing the supernatural, you're only kidding yourself the more. Continue waiting for your video mtchew.

shogsman:

What part of I have visited tons of herbalists didn't you understand ma'am,this is pure logical research, common reasoning even,and I'm pretty sure my course of study doesn't have anything to do with any of this,by the way I am from ijebu and I'm pretty sure I'm way more intertwined with your supposed supernatural world than you.
And the fact that you think you can do a spell from a book of Moses shows how far you've been brainwashed ma,it is very funny actually.
One question please, could you show me proof of you conjuring a spirit,a video will suffice even.afterall we live in a global age ahn

Coming on this platform thinking that everyone here is either naive, ignorant, or stupid is one thing. It is the effrontery for me.

If you want to really find out the truth of the existence of something , you will drop that textbook attitude. You wondered why I asked for your course of study? Well, if you were an educationist, researcher or even a lawyer, you would want a practical approach to things.

Asking people pertinent questions will not convince you that they are logical. If you haven't seen what they have seen or had a first hand experience on the supernatural, you would presume others as lunatics.

Why do you think Christian scientists don't impose their beliefs on their colleagues? It's because one they respect other people's beliefs and they also know that people tend to doubt what they haven't seen.

So if you really want to know if the supernatural exists? You don't need anyone to convince you otherwise because you will only call it a parlour trick. If you summon a demon or an angel and see them with your two eyes, then you have your answer.

That's why I referred you to the Sixth and Seventh Book of Moses. It's available online for free, pdf version. Nobody will exploit you or take your money. And it's better because since you're not brainwashed, you will obviously tell if you are hallucinating or not.

Save conjectures and hearsay, there no provable evidence of the supernatural though this doesn’t preclude its possibility.

shogsman:
As a successful student of life and traditions I am here to settle an ever so old score.to start with
Supernatural beliefs are beliefs in things that do not and cannot exist to the best of scientific knowledge, but which appear real to believers. Examples are the belief in god, angels, daemons, reincarnation, ghosts, spirits,rituals etc.
Having done an extensive research and visited tons of herbalists and traditionalists personally for my study I can very well conclude that spirits, rituals and charms are just superstitious belief,the only power it has is the influence it has on believers who are at the mercy of the traditions they grew up into.

When people are asked to justify their belief in such invisible beings, they often appeal to two things. First, to testimony: to reports of sightings, miraculous events supposedly caused by such beings, and so on(this testimonies has never been confirmed in the real sense). Any New Age bookshop will be able to provide numerous testimonies regarding invisible agency that might seem hard to account for naturalistically in terms of hallucination, self-deception, misidentified natural phenomena, trickery, and so on. Second, many will also claim a subjective sense of presence: they ‘just know’ their dead Auntie is in the room with them, or that they have a guardian angel, by means of some sort of extra sense: a spirit sense. Many contemporary religious folk believe they can sense divinity by means of some sort of god-sense.

If there really are no good grounds for believing such beings exist, however, why do people believe in them? There’s much scientific speculation about that but, as yet, no definitive answer.

One obvious advantage of positing invisible agents is that they can account for what might otherwise be baffling. I could swear I left my keys on the table, but there they are under the sofa. How on Earth did that happen? Someone died around my house and my Windows won't keep shut,the spirit must still be lingering around even though there is a strong wind coursing through the weather.
I think the reason why they are so many believers in this part of the world is because people need something to rely on,they need a safety blanket,they need to feel like they're not alone and they're accountable for Thier actions

I welcome arguments from from enlightened and matured minds,afterall no one is an island of knowledge.

Are you that dude on YouTube who goes to different herbalists to debunk the claims of juju?

Juliusmomoh:

Come and carry out ur reseach in kogi state (ibaji) na your dead body go commot there

Go to Benin, go to Ogun state, go to Kogi.
All these powers in all these places, yet these people are so useless.
Wetin dey Benin and wetin dey Kogi state?
If USA wan wipe out those two states, e no go take them 3 days, and their useless juju no go fit do anything.
Funny thing is it's usually the Christians who hype this juju nonsense.
Dem fear Juju pass their god.

shogsman:

You claim you have supernatural powers but as a Nigerian you have a great multitude of problem that you don't have a fix for, you have supernatural powers you still go to school in order to get a job,when you could just conjure yourself some money and live a nice life,you have supernatural powers but you still rely on hospitals and medicine to get by when you fall sick,I will not mince words with you madam,I don't see any sanity in your actions

They have juju/jazz, and they term it "black magic" but these same people would strive to get ordinary Visa to a neighborhood country. Juju no fit even fly them there.

kingxsamz:


Go to Benin, go to Ogun state, go to Kogi.
All these powers in all these places, yet these people are so useless.
Wetin dey Benin and wetin dey Kogi state?
If USA wan wipe out those two states, e no go take them 3 days, and their useless juju no go fit do anything.
Funny thing is it's usually the Christians who hype this juju nonsense.
Dem fear Juju pass their god.

So true.

shogsman:

This set of people you mentioned do not exist sir.
I've spoken to theologians from different countries so this is not just a sudden assertion,and every educated and enlightened individual would agree with me, ...

See now you are relying on hearsay evidence!

shogsman:
As a successful student of life and traditions I am here to settle an ever so old score.to start with
Supernatural beliefs are beliefs in things that do not and cannot exist to the best of scientific knowledge,

first bold! Of what relevance is your character evidence in your coming to disprove Supernatural belief? You could always present your case without giving evidence of your character.

Second Bold! Scientific knowledge is not always Proof of Truth but Unchallenged Evidence is Proof of Truth.

So you are measuring Truth with a Wrong Instrument!

shogsman:

...Having done an extensive research and visited tons of herbalists and traditionalists personally for my study I can very well conclude that spirits, rituals and charms are just superstitious belief,the only power it has is the influence it has on believers who are at the mercy of the traditions they grew up into.

The bold is you relying on hearsay evidence!

shogsman:

When people are asked to justify their belief in such invisible beings, they often appeal to two things.

The Bold: You raised this post for the purpose of presenting your claim that the supernatural does not exist and not to attack the claim that it exist.

Therefore, you either present your claim and proof that the supernatural does not exist or it is taken that you have No Evidence in proof of your claim.

shogsman:

Any New Age bookshop will be able to provide numerous testimonies regarding invisible agency that might seem hard to account for naturalistically in terms of hallucination, self-deception, misidentified natural phenomena, trickery, and so on. Second, many will also claim a subjective sense of presence: they ‘just know’ their dead Auntie is in the room with them, or that they have a guardian angel, by means of some sort of extra sense: a spirit sense. Many contemporary religious folk believe they can sense divinity by means of some sort of god-sense.

If there really are no good grounds for believing such beings exist, however, why do people believe in them? There’s much scientific speculation about that but, as yet, no definitive answer.

One obvious advantage of positing invisible agents is that they can account for what might otherwise be baffling. I could swear I left my keys on the table, but there they are under the sofa. How on Earth did that happen? Someone died around my house and my Windows won't keep shut,the spirit must still be lingering around even though there is a strong wind coursing through the weather.
I think the reason why they are so many believers in this part of the world is because people need something to rely on,they need a safety blanket,they need to feel like they're not alone and they're accountable for Thier actions

I welcome arguments from from enlightened and matured minds,afterall no one is an island of knowledge.

In the end, you have no Proof of your Claim!

All you did was to query the explanations and evidence purportedly given in proof of the existence of the Supernatural, for it is you here who we See manufacturing those evidence in support of the supernatural and it is still you, who is attacking it.

A Clear case of "One going Against Oneself"

And a query is not an establishment of an assertion, for your post is about disproving the existence of the supernatural but alas, You Gave No Proof, At All!

Therefore, Case Dismissed, sorry Post Dismissed!

Dtruthspeaker:


first bold! Of what relevance is your character evidence in your coming to disprove Supernatural belief? You could always present your case without giving evidence of your character.

Second Bold! Scientific knowledge is not always Proof of Truth but Unchallenged Evidence is Proof of Truth.

So you are measuring Truth with a Wrong Instrument!



The bold is you relying on hearsay evidence!



The Bold: You raised this post for the purpose of presenting your claim that the supernatural does not exist and not to attack the claim that it exist.

Therefore, you either present your claim and proof that the supernatural does not exist or it is taken that you have No Evidence in proof of your claim.



In the end, you have no Proof of your Claim!

All you did was to query the explanations and evidence purportedly given in proof of the existence of the Supernatural, for it is you here who we See manufacturing those evidence in support of the supernatural and it is still you, who is attacking it.

A Clear case of "One going Against Oneself"

And a query is not an establishment of an assertion, for your post is about disproving the existence of the supernatural but alas, You Gave No Proof, At All!

Therefore, Case Dismissed, sorry Post Dismissed!

How laughable! A Complainant who says he has a case but abandons his case and manufactures a defence for the opposition, then starts to attack the manufactured defence.

Oh! What a nice way to go to bed!

truespeak:


How laughable! A Complainant who says he has a case but abandons his case and manufactures a defence for the opposition, then starts to attack the manufactured defence.

Oh! What a nice way to go to bed!

Dtruthspeaker:


first bold! Of what relevance is your character evidence in your coming to disprove Supernatural belief? You could always present your case without giving evidence of your character.

Second Bold! Scientific knowledge is not always Proof of Truth but Unchallenged Evidence is Proof of Truth.

So you are measuring Truth with a Wrong Instrument!



The bold is you relying on hearsay evidence!



The Bold: You raised this post for the purpose of presenting your claim that the supernatural does not exist and not to attack the claim that it exist.

Therefore, you either present your claim and proof that the supernatural does not exist or it is taken that you have No Evidence in proof of your claim.



In the end, you have no Proof of your Claim!

All you did was to query the explanations and evidence purportedly given in proof of the existence of the Supernatural, for it is you here who we See manufacturing those evidence in support of the supernatural and it is still you, who is attacking it.

A Clear case of "One going Against Oneself"

And a query is not an establishment of an assertion, for your post is about disproving the existence of the supernatural but alas, You Gave No Proof, At All!

Therefore, Case Dismissed, sorry Post Dismissed!

All those paragraphs wasted on a rather unintelligent rambling,perhaps I should have interpreted my focal point into another language,give me the proof of a supernatural existence not an endless incessant chatter sir.
I don't understand why you guys find it very difficult to effectively interprete questions.

Dtruthspeaker:

It's kinda weird that you keep answering your own questions yourself by the way

Dtruthspeaker:


See now you are relying on hearsay evidence!

No I'm relying on common sense and intelligent reasoning as would any sensible human being unburdened by the lies of traditions the lot of you were born with.
At the end of the day it is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf,if there is no single evidence in history and the trillions of individual events that comes with it,IT DOES NOT EXIST MY GOOD SIR.

kingxsamz:


They have juju/jazz, and they term it "black magic" but these same people would strive to get ordinary Visa to a neighborhood country. Juju no fit even fly them there.

Ola17:
Save conjectures and hearsay, there no provable evidence of the supernatural though this doesn’t preclude its possibility.

I do not disrespect people's beliefs, afterall they have the right to believe in whatever they want but at the same time I'm a realist.i say it as it is sir,the fact that there is no real or probable evidence does totally preclude it's possiblity.

shogsman:

All those paragraphs wasted on a rather unintelligent rambling,perhaps I should have interpreted my focal point into another language, give me the proof of a supernatural existence not an endless incessant chatter sir.

Ever heard of The Law of Establishing a Case, "He who alleges must Prove?"

Surely you must know it for you were also using words like "hearsay, evidence etc"

Thus, you are the one who alleged that the Supernatural is a Fiction and you gave no proof of it.

your reversal of the burden of proof will not work.

Let it be known that I have nothing against religious people, afterall a man as the right to believe in whatever works for him ,heck life is easier when you believe there is an higher power somewhere I suppose it gives people a slight chance of hope.

But sadly it is a pure FARCE,I even go as far as to call it a crude buffoonery or horseplay,just absurd drama.

If you think otherwise please by all means proof me wrong, but make sure you HAVE A VERY TANGIBLE EVIDENCE OR PROOF TO PRESENT NOT A BUNCH OF EMOTIONAL MISALIGNMENT AND UNNECESSARY CHATTER ABOUT WHAT WE ALL KNOW.