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Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Kobojunkie: 5:51am On Jun 25, 2021

awitness41:
There can be no transgression without Law (Romans 4:15).
If there is no Law, there would be no difference between lying and truth-telling, they would both only be a valid choice.
If there is no Law, both lying and truth-telling would be equally acceptable morally.
God doesn't think so.
Nor does Jesus.
Thus, there is the inescapable Eternal Law of God, always in our midst, pointing out what is moral and what is not, what is good and what is evil.
No one can escape the Law, they can only keep It or break It.
And when one breaks It, they transgress in sin.
There can be no transgression without Law.

God is a God of Laws/Covenants. In the Bible alone, there are least 6 different Laws made by God with different peoples - Adamic Covenant Noahic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, Mosaic Covenant(YHWH), Davidic Covenant, New Covenant(Jesus Christ). undecided

Of what we know of the Adamic Covenant, Law as given by God to Adam, in the land of Eden, there is at least the one clearly written of in Genesis 2 vs 15- 17, requiring that Adam(not even Eve) not eat of the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. The commandments came with a punishment/curse declaring that man would die the very same day he disobeyed God's command .i.e. sinned. undecided

However, you here declare that, instead, God gave Adam even than the one commandment that defined sin for Adam in the garden of Eden written of in Genesis 2. That you actually think you can ,haphazardly lift verses out-of-context, punch together what amounts to gobbledygook which you thought to pass as support for your claim astounds me. undecided

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Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 7:52am On Jun 25, 2021

Kobojunkie:
..you take that to mean the Law is attributed to Moses and not God?

Kobo, c'mon don't be like this. Just a simple question that requires a simple answer, you're beating about the bush, further complicating the whole thing for yourself?

You can do better.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:15am On Jun 25, 2021

Splinz:
Shocking things. And I was thinking that I've seen worst.

Really unthinkable.

Ah! There are many many people here who appear reasonable or start out reasonably but when they see that their beliefs have no reasonable ground, then many insane.

Some were already insane before so their insanity is only bursting out.

And the remainder are sons of evil who when they see that they do not have a reasonable ground to stand their sheets, resort to Change of Posts, Insanity of Repetitions, Twistings of Words and use of converse evil spirits, Lies and False Accusations.

Hence, there would be many Worsts and Unthinkable things in here.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Jman24(m): 8:31am On Jun 25, 2021

Splinz:
Oh no! That's double standard! David broke the Law and should have been stoned to death!

Okay. Here's the thing, old soldier. You have to admit that you deliberately or ignorantly spread falsehood when you claimed that the Law is without mercy and love, since you've admitted that David was forgiven and shown mercy.

This is the only way you can be taken serious.

So what is the LOVE of God? "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous" (1 John 3:4). Love is the commandment and the commandment is love. So therefore, where there's love, there's mercy.

Old soldier, you may have been an ex, but from the look of things, it seems the lies, propaganda and falsehood from the barracks hasn't left you. In fact at this point, it's simply hilarious.

Thanks Max. I think I've gotten enough.

Hahahaha. Max didn't see this coming.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:39am On Jun 25, 2021*

MaxInDHouse:
His problem is pride!
When people like him finds out they're wrong instead of humbly learning the pride will make him start arguing blindly.

That is your problem, not mine

Even in this very thread I wrongfully thought that the report of there being 10 Commandments was not True but Splinz showed me the direct proof of it and I thanked him for the corrections.

I am not like you and the insane unOkCunning man, i argue only on reasonable and valid thoughts not on Change of Posts, Twistings, Conversions, Strict Interpretation of statements rather than Natural use of statements, repetitions and insults, all of which are your craft and trade, not mine.

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Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Nobody: 8:41am On Jun 25, 2021

awitness41:
There can be no transgression without Law (Romans 4:15).
If there is no Law, there would be no difference between lying and truth-telling, they would both only be a valid choice.
If there is no Law, both lying and truth-telling would be equally acceptable morally.
God doesn't think so.
Nor does Jesus.
Thus, there is the inescapable Eternal Law of God, always in our midst, pointing out what is moral and what is not, what is good and what is evil.
No one can escape the Law, they can only keep It or break It.
And when one breaks It, they transgress in sin.
There can be no transgression without Law.

Kobojunkie:
However, you here declare that, instead, God gave Adam even than the one commandment that defined sin for Adam in the garden of Eden written of in Genesis 2. That you actually think you can ,haphazardly lift verses out-of-context, punch together what amounts to gobbledygook which you thought to pass as support for your claim astounds me.

What you seem to miss, KJ, is that God's Law was still there, just as Eternal as always.

But since you live by defending your father, the devil, in your head, you don't even see that the devil also sinned that day, by lying to Eve.

Your father also sinned by tempting Eve to covet and steal.

Your father also sinned in other ways that day. The hope here is that maybe, just maybe you'll look a little deeper at God's Eternal Law and consider the other sins by the devil that day in defying the Eternal God and the morality contained in His Law.

I keep hoping for you, KJ, believe it or not.

I don't have any hope for the devil, of course, because his fate is sealed by his own continued rebellion.

But for you, even though you're currently a child of the devil, it's not too late to open your eyes and see God's Law all around you.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:41am On Jun 25, 2021

Jman24:
Hahahaha. Max didn't see this coming.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Jman24(m): 8:46am On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
That is your problem, not mine

Even in this very thread I wrongfully thought that the report of their being 10 Commandments was not True but Splinz showed me the direct proof of it and I thanked him for the corrections.

I am not like you and the insane unOkCunning man, i argue only on reasonable and valid thoughts not on Change of Posts, Twistings, Conversions, Strict Interpretation of statements rather Natural use, repetitions and insults, all of which are your craft and trade, not mine.

Max my friend do make sense at some point but always have a way of ruining everything with his stereotyped ...

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:49am On Jun 25, 2021

awitness41:
What you seem to miss, KJ, is that God's Law was still there, just as Eternal as always.

But since you live by defending your father, the devil, in your head, you don't even see that the devil also sinned, by lying to Eve.

Your father also sinned by tempting Eve to covet and steal.

Your father also sinned in other ways that day. The hope here is that maybe, just maybe you'll look a little deeper at God's Eternal Law and consider the other sins by the devil that day in defying the Eternal God and the morality contained in His Law.

I keep hoping for you, KJ, believe it or not.

I don't have any hope for the devil, of course, because his fate is sealed by his own continued rebellion.

But for you, even though you're currently a child of the devil, it's not too late to open your eyes and see God's Law all around you.

He knows all these and he even attempted repenting (I saw all these) but I saw that God rejected him, which means his repentance was not accepted.

So in the pain of his rejection, he is now acting Against God.

That is what see. He is Against God by appearing to speak for him. A Satan's son in the Assembly.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by truespeak: 8:51am On Jun 25, 2021

Splinz:
Unbelievable.

Welcome to the World of the Kobo-addict, you have not seen anything yet! grin

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:54am On Jun 25, 2021

truespeak:
Welcome to the World of the Kobo-addict, you have not seen anything yet!

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 8:54am On Jun 25, 2021

awitness41:
There can be no transgression without Law (Romans 4:15).

If there is no Law, there would be no difference between lying and truth-telling, they would both only be a valid choice.

If there is no Law, both lying and truth-telling would be equally acceptable morally.

God doesn't think so.

Nor does Jesus.

Thus, there is the inescapable Eternal Law of God, always in our midst, pointing out what is moral and what is not, what is good and what is evil.

No one can escape the Law, they can only keep It or break It.

And when one breaks It, they transgress in sin.

There can be no transgression without Law.

Interesting.

The Ten Commandments of God can be likened to the law of gravity. But unlike gravity, the Ten Commandments causative agents doesn't get to see the effects immediately in most cases. However in both laws, the penalty is automatic and the effects either keeping or breaking one.

As a very good example, let's use Adam. God told him that "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die". But we see that when Adam sinned, broke the Law, he didn't die that same day or immediately. He went on to lived the rest of his life, just like people are doing today. However, the dice was cast and the penalty activated, and we see that Adam eventually died just like God said.

The law of cause and effect is simple. For every cause there's an effect and for every effect there's a cause. The Ten Commandments is such Law.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by truespeak: 8:55am On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
He knows all these and he even attempted repenting (I saw all these) but I saw that God rejected him, which means his repentance was not accepted.

So in the pain of his rejection, he is now acting Against God.

I am sure he would find that out for himself for Kobo-Lover never fails to disappoint! grin

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:59am On Jun 25, 2021

Jman24:
Max my friend do make sense at some point but always have a way of ruining everything with his stereotyped ...

Yes! He starts out reasonable and the good things that are supposed to be there, will be there.

But once a query is raised, no matter how trivial the query is, hmm, is the word!

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:02am On Jun 25, 2021

truespeak:
I am sure he would find that out for himself for Kobo-Lover never fails to disappoint!

I think he has seen 'scuse me' heard the ear grating noise of Kobo's coins! grin

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by truespeak: 9:02am On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
I think he has seen the ear grating noise of Kobo's coins!

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:12am On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
...Hence, there would be many Worsts and Unthinkable things in here.

Hmm.

You know, I'm here because when I saw Op's topic, one that people rarely talked about because it's not common knowledge, I immediately picked interest and decided to come and share in my own little way.

It's my hope that those who truly seeks the truth and are opened to it will find one or two things edifying in this thread.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:15am On Jun 25, 2021*

Jman24:
Hahahaha. Max didn't see this coming.

Liars will always be caught unawares.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:46am On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
That is your problem, not mine

Even in this very thread I wrongfully thought that the report of their being 10 Commandments was not True but Splinz showed me the direct proof of it and I thanked him for the corrections.

I can bear witness to this, and others can also bear witness by simply going through conversations on this thread. We know those who are teachable and those claiming to be pro & master.

MaxInDHouse is a prideful fellow who's averse to corrections, and wouldn't mind sinking to abyss than to accept his mistakes. To prove it, one simply need to go through my conversations with him on this thread.

This is someone that in his arrogance, called some of us "novices", of course, to massage his fat ego.

MaxInDHouse:
So let's say we are all following these laws, do you think any of these novices can survive these laws?

So indeed, his problem is PRIDE.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:55am On Jun 25, 2021

truespeak:
Welcome to the World of the Kobo-addict, you have not seen anything yet!

Please no, that was too much to see.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 1:24pm On Jun 25, 2021

Splinz:
I can bear witness to this, and others can also bear witness by simply going through conversations on this thread. We know those who are teachable and those claiming to be pro & master.

Thank you!

As Light is ascertainable from darkness and oil is different from water, so is Truth is Always distinguishable from Lies!

Splinz:
MaxInDHouse is a prideful fellow who's averse to corrections, and wouldn't mind sinking to abyss than to accept his mistakes. To prove it, one simply need to go through my conversations with him on this thread.

Which is the Absolute Proof of Bias and Lack of Proper Foundation.

Which is A Further Proof of Living on Dreams, Fabrications, Wishes, make beliefs and Un-Real-Eye-ity (Unreality).

And not a Lover of Truth and Solid Real-Eye-ity!

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 1:25pm On Jun 25, 2021

Splinz:
Please no, that was too much to see.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 1:31pm On Jun 25, 2021

Splinz:
Hmm.

You know, I'm here because when I saw Op's topic, one that people rarely talked about because it's not common knowledge, I immediately picked interest and decided to come and share in my own little way.

It's my hope that those who truly seeks the truth and are opened to it will find one or two things edifying in this thread.

Same reason I am here, To Present, Lift Up, Maintain and Defend The Truth with all my heart, strength and soul.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by OkCornel(m): 1:38pm On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
That is your problem, not mine

Even in this very thread I wrongfully thought that the report of there being 10 Commandments was not True but Splinz showed me the direct proof of it and I thanked him for the corrections.

I am not like you and the insane unOkCunning man, i argue only on reasonable and valid thoughts not on Change of Posts, Twistings, Conversions, Strict Interpretation of statements rather than Natural use of statements, repetitions and insults, all of which are your craft and trade, not mine.

Are you ready to post your answer to whether the robbers, the Levite and the Priest are also neighbors to the attacked traveller per the parable of the Good Samaritan?

Or you want to continue with your shameless lie that you’ve answered this question cheesy

You didn’t even have the guts to mention my moniker in your response to MaxinDHouse.

Lmao

Cc Kobojunkie, Jesusjnr2020

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by OkCornel(m): 1:42pm On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Same reason I am here, To Present, Lift Up, Maintain and Defend The Truth with all my heart, strength and soul.

Defend which dirty truth?

You can’t explain how Genesis 16 v 12 is a curse to Ishmael but Genesis 49 v 8-9 & 16-17 is a blessing to Judah and Dan.

You can’t tell the difference between an enemy and a neighbor.

You don’t know whether the Mosaic law also applies to gentiles outside of Israel.

You breathe, eat and sleep lies & false doctrines, and you have the temerity to claim you’re defending the truth?

You’re deluded.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by truespeak: 2:13pm On Jun 25, 2021

Splinz:
Please no, that was too much to see.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:20pm On Jun 25, 2021

Jman24:
Max my friend do make sense at some point but always have a way of ruining everything with his stereotyped ...

Just as the below commentator specifically mentioned MaxInDHouse and pleaded to have a dialogue with me!

Keulere29:
maxindhouse pls am a muslim and want to av a dialogue with u pls dis is my watsapp line 08068278621 or any xtain can add me

I know what you and my other admirers don't want to here: "The only place where you can learn about my God is in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Well imagine how Jesus' admirers do feel back in the first century despite how good and nice they are, whenever he tells them "you must join my group before you can have everlasting life" Luke 18:18-23

So it's not about Max but the message the spirit asked me to deliver, it's either you take it or leave it, it's unchangeable Sir!

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 4:34pm On Jun 25, 2021

OkCornel:
Defend which dirty truth?

You can’t explain how Genesis 16 v 12 is a curse to Ishmael but Genesis 49 v 8-9 & 16-17 is a blessing to Judah and Dan.

You can’t tell the difference between an enemy and a neighbor.

You don’t know whether the Mosaic law also applies to gentiles outside of Israel.

You breathe, eat and sleep lies & false doctrines, and you have the temerity to claim you’re defending the truth?

You’re deluded.

I do not contend with Insane persons who slip in and out of the legal limits of good reasoning.

When you are fully recovered from your insanity, you can go back to our argument to see if I have not answered your questions.

And that it is you who is supposed to provide a reasonable and valid counter against it.

Asking Fresh Questions on A Separate Issue, Lying, Running All Over the World with your goal post and Changing the Direction of the Argument (Change of Post) is Never an Acceptable Opposition.

These are some of the Laws of Fair Debate for you to know (since you never know anything) just in case you are still within legal limits of reasonability.

So till the return of your sanity, I remain, Me! grin

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by OkCornel(m): 4:58pm On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
I do not contend with Insane persons who slip in and out of the legal limits of good reasoning.

When you are fully recovered from your insanity, you can go back to our argument to see if I have not answered your questions.

And that it is you who is supposed to provide a reasonable and valid counter against it.

Asking Fresh Questions on A Separate Issue, Lying, Running All Over the World with your goal post and Changing the Direction of the Argument (Change of Post) is Never an Acceptable Opposition.

These are some of the Laws of Fair Debate for you to know (since you never know anything) just in case you are still within legal limits of reasonability.

So till the return of your sanity, I remain, Me!

As expected, still dodging the questions posed and claiming you’ve answered them.

All hail the Dliespeaker.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:12pm On Jun 25, 2021

OkCornel:
As expected, still dodging the questions posed and claiming you’ve answered them.

All hail the Dliespeaker.

As expected, still Insane Cunning Eel!

All hall Un Okay Cunning Eel.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by OkCornel(m): 5:23pm On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
As expected, still Insane Cunning Eel!

All hall Un Okay Cunning Eel.

Dliespeaker who knows more than Jesus.

According to the Dliespeaker, your enemy can also be your neighbor which is contrary to what Jesus preached in the parable of the Good Samaritan.

According to Dliespeaker, the robbers who attacked the traveller in the parable of the Good Samaritan are also neighbors to the Good Samaritan.

Follow this false teacher at your peril.

Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:33pm On Jun 25, 2021

OkCornel:
Dliespeaker who knows more than Jesus.

According to the Dliespeaker, your enemy can also be your neighbor which is contrary to what Jesus preached in the parable of the Good Samaritan.

According to Dliespeaker, the robbers who attacked the traveller in the parable of the Good Samaritan are also neighbors to the Good Samaritan.

Follow this false teacher at your peril.

So you have finally seen that I have Answered you Since now that your insanity has lifted up for the moment.

You can also See how stupid and Insane you have been all along.

And You think people are Insane and Olodo as you are and have been? (What a Combo!)

If my answer was wrong I have many reasonable enemies here that I trust would have happily jumped on it to tell me so.

And not you, A Crazy Lunatic who Never Knows What Everyone else Knows. Anyway that is Also what makes you an Insane Person.

And Idiot, simply Complaining that I said "Everyone is your neighbour, including he whom you consider to be your enemy" IS NOT THE SUPPLY OF A VALID REASONABLE COUNTER!

YOU ARE ONLY MAKING NOISE AND COMPLAINING ABOUT LIKE A MAD WOMAN!

WHICH IS COMPLETE PROOF THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY REASONABLE COUNTER! grin

Olodo,
Go to school,
Tell your teacher you're a Fool.
And that you're ready to learn cus you're Cool

And not under the gravity of your Insanity!

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