Karleb:
Nigeria is a dream killer.

If you are from a poor home and average, it's better you open your eyes and ears.

Trust me, many who had higher hopes are now learning tailoring after graduation.

Some have been teaching on a salary of 30k for more than 5 years now.

Rude shock
Or
Thought awakening

Many are ending up in Bet9ja shop ,
Well said though,

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Hahahhahahahhahha why do cancel only engineering sir do you mean what he said is not true or trash

tensazangetsu20:


All Engineering Courses except Electrical/Computer engineering: Contrary to what a lot of people think, engineering a lot of branches of engineering are not as lucrative as people think they are. I was checking unilag's cut off the other day for my cousins and was shocked to find out that petroleum engineering has the highest cut-off point in the engineering department. That is a program that should be scrapped. Its glory days are over and never going to come back and its so restrictive yet a whole lot of brilliant people think killing themselves to study this is actually a good idea. Electrical and computer engineering are the only courses I can really advise anyone to go for as they are very much relevant in the ICT sector. Embedded systems, computer hardware, robotics alongside a host of others are mostly offshoots of these fields.
Lucrative alternatives to engineering that arent as competitive are computer science, mathematics and physics. Someone intending to study civil engineering or mechanical engineering in Nigeria should go for physics. There's practically no place a mechanical or civil engineer can work in this world that someone with a degree in physics cant work.

So op you're trying to tell me a physics graduate can effectively calculate and design buildings and roads, bridges and sky rappers. If I didn't do physics in school I'd have believed this shit. How can you say there's no where a civil engineer can work that a physics graduate cannot work? Haba OP it's OK if you say they should do the course but don give them false hopes, stop misleading people

Hassanmaye:

Hahahhhahhhaha why

That course is a useless course

KingDash:
you wey no study mass comm which kind work you dey do?!

eminemkayc:
As a professional practicing engineer with close to two decades of practical engineering experience in the design of deep water structures, floating production systems, large and small displacement piles, Finite element design of foundations, design of numerous medium to high rise structures, culverts, bridges, etcetera, I can confidently inform whoever created this topic of partly misinforming the public in relation to the inexplicable comparison of Civil engineering, as a professional course, to physics. Firstly, Civil engineering, is the mother of all major engineering courses (Mechanical, Chemical, etc) and is subdivided into the following specialties;
1. Transportation engineering
2. Structural engineering
3. Water resources and environmental engineering
4. Civil engineering materials
5. Geotechnical engineering

Each of these sub-divisions have extensive applications in various industries and a thoroughbred Civil engineer who, for e.g, is grounded in structural engineering designs can, with time, easily work for himself, as a consultant in the comfort of his home, just by having core understanding of the theory of structures , reinforced concrete designs(Euro, BS codes), foundation designs (deep, shallow foundations), design of steel structures (such as telecommunication towers, shelters, crude/hydrocarbon storage tanks, gantry cranes, etc. A graduate civil engineer who is vast with the use of one, more, or a combination of tools such as SACS , ETAB, STAADpro, AUTOCAD, CIVIL 3D,etcetera can easily be employed in the oil industry, infrastructure industry, geotech companies, construction companies that handle EPCI projects, Govt parastatals (ministry of works, material testing parastatals, etc), or even just work for himself by attaching to a professional architect who gets building projects and handles, in the first instance, structural details of building projects, while learning the structural designs proper. The opportunities is boundless. But this depends on the competence of the civil engineer. A sound, diligent and hardworking Civil engineer can NEVER go hungry.
Secondly, a physicist can never perform the functions of a civil engineer as he is neither trained nor understands concepts such as Terzaghi's theory of foundation soil bearing capacities, Hansen's or Vesic's modification to Terzaghi's theories for inclined or eccentrically loaded foundations, etc. He has no understanding on the design of portal frame structures, design of bolted or welded connections, or design of retaining walls, slope stabilization structures, road designs, design of offshore fixed jacket platforms, lifting analysis, transportations analysis with wave and current kinematics, etc. He has or was never introduced to the BS codes (in school or elsewhere) the Eurocodes 1, 2, 3, etc. So he can't just practice. There are no rigid linkage between the two. He would also never get a COREN certification. Engineering is applied mathematics and applied science and mathematics/physics is the bedrock of engineering. Mathematics, in itself, is subdivided into Fluid mechanics, topology, abstract algebra, calculus and complex theory. When you plot bending moment diagram of a simply supported beam, for e.g, the equations defining the distribution of the moments on the beam are basically mathematics (polynomials or linear functions) in terms of the Moments or shear forces, etc. But a mathematician or a physicist who is not trained in Civil engineering would never understand these. He would understand the polynomial equations, but doesnt understand what bending moment diagram mean.
I have largely described avenues and opportunities that abound in structural engineering as an area of specialization. Similar opportunities abound in highway engineering (design/construction of roads, hydraulic structures, etc), geotechnical engineering (sub-surface investigation, geophysical investigation,etc), etc. Civil, is one of the most practical engineering professions in this country.
Nigeria is a developing nation and a competent, vast and hardworking civil engineer would be glad he studied the course at the completion of his study!

Abeg leave OP let him be giving people false hopes and nonsense comparisons

bravehost4u:


Is it because of Chidinma?

If Chidimma were to be in accounting or medical department, she won't have time to chase sugar zadi upadan, to more of killing one.

atom080:

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chai, wetin musa no go see?
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pls can you buttress your point? or are you speaking outta sentiment?
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pls where do you put
*mbbs
*bds
*mechatronics
*physiotherapy
*med lab
few to mention.
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man you are living in the past claiming to know the future.
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lest i forget, pls how do you analytically predict the future?

and by the way, do you study engr or medical course. if no, then ur point is baseless!
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pls if you which to reply me, engage me with facts but not sentiments or subjective ideology.

Nursing is a priority course to study if U want to Japa with ease.

Reticular:
This is quite misleading. How do you mean that Civil Engineering or Mechanical Engineering is waste of time? You are definitely not in the industry to make such a hasty generalization. Have you considered the fact that Nigeria is a developing country with vast potential for civil construction opportunities? And you think a student of physics whose emphasis in school are on quantum mechanics, astrophysics, and some abstract stuff would be responsible for the construction of Sky Scrappers? Do you even understand what Mechanical Engineering is all about?

While electrical Engineering is hot at the moment, do you realize manufacturing is an integral part of Mechanical Engineering and will be here with us for God knows when? Please don't mislead people. Let people do what they are wired to study.

Please let’s be factual here. Did you study Mechanical Engineering because I did. And my option was Manufacturing/Production Engineering. Mech is useless now coupled with over supply of Mechanical Engineering graduate.

How can d op substitute physics for mechanical engineering?do physicists do engineering drawings & project costing?
If is geophysic is know is a hot cake.

I keep telling smart young people . Please don't waste your time on unnecessarily engineering courses. Go study physics or math or csc. Perfect your programming skills.

atom080:

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good and fine, you are good at savage right.
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pls what cgpa do you graduate with and what course do you study?
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if you can't answer me, pls don't border advising me.
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i understand ur type
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thankiu!

You are very silly and not as smart as you think. You also write terribly. Keep letting your lecturers sweet talk you.

About the guy who went to the US on a fully funded Ph.D program, understand that anyone who studied any course can achieve that. Most Ph.D programs in the US are fully funded. But have you wonder why most people don’t go that route? Money!

GRE cost $226
Toelf cost around $196
WES cost more than N120k
Collecting transcripts cost money
Application cost money
Sending transcripts cost money
Paying sevis cost money
Visa application cost money
Even with a fully funded Ph.D program, you still need to provide a Statement of Account that will cover your deficit and living expenses
Amongst other expenses.


Where do you think a young graduate with no job/money who is from a humble background will get this money from? Use your head!

eminemkayc:
As a professional practicing engineer with close to two decades of practical engineering experience in the design of deep water structures, floating production systems, large and small displacement piles, Finite element design of foundations, design of numerous medium to high rise structures, culverts, bridges, etcetera, I can confidently inform whoever created this topic of partly misinforming the public in relation to the inexplicable comparison of Civil engineering, as a professional course, to physics. Firstly, Civil engineering, is the mother of all major engineering courses (Mechanical, Chemical, etc) and is subdivided into the following specialties;
1. Transportation engineering
2. Structural engineering
3. Water resources and environmental engineering
4. Civil engineering materials
5. Geotechnical engineering

Each of these sub-divisions have extensive applications in various industries and a thoroughbred Civil engineer who, for e.g, is grounded in structural engineering designs can, with time, easily work for himself, as a consultant in the comfort of his home, just by having core understanding of the theory of structures , reinforced concrete designs(Euro, BS codes), foundation designs (deep, shallow foundations), design of steel structures (such as telecommunication towers, shelters, crude/hydrocarbon storage tanks, gantry cranes, etc. A graduate civil engineer who is vast with the use of one, more, or a combination of tools such as SACS , ETAB, STAADpro, AUTOCAD, CIVIL 3D,etcetera can easily be employed in the oil industry, infrastructure industry, geotech companies, construction companies that handle EPCI projects, Govt parastatals (ministry of works, material testing parastatals, etc), or even just work for himself by attaching to a professional architect who gets building projects and handles, in the first instance, structural details of building projects, while learning the structural designs proper. The opportunities is boundless. But this depends on the competence of the civil engineer. A sound, diligent and hardworking Civil engineer can NEVER go hungry.
Secondly, a physicist can never perform the functions of a civil engineer as he is neither trained nor understands concepts such as Terzaghi's theory of foundation soil bearing capacities, Hansen's or Vesic's modification to Terzaghi's theories for inclined or eccentrically loaded foundations, etc. He has no understanding on the design of portal frame structures, design of bolted or welded connections, or design of retaining walls, slope stabilization structures, road designs, design of offshore fixed jacket platforms, lifting analysis, transportations analysis with wave and current kinematics, etc. He has or was never introduced to the BS codes (in school or elsewhere) the Eurocodes 1, 2, 3, etc. So he can't just practice. There are no rigid linkage between the two. He would also never get a COREN certification. Engineering is applied mathematics and applied science and mathematics/physics is the bedrock of engineering. Mathematics, in itself, is subdivided into Fluid mechanics, topology, abstract algebra, calculus and complex theory. When you plot bending moment diagram of a simply supported beam, for e.g, the equations defining the distribution of the moments on the beam are basically mathematics (polynomials or linear functions) in terms of the Moments or shear forces, etc. But a mathematician or a physicist who is not trained in Civil engineering would never understand these. He would understand the polynomial equations, but doesnt understand what bending moment diagram mean.
I have largely described avenues and opportunities that abound in structural engineering as an area of specialization. Similar opportunities abound in highway engineering (design/construction of roads, hydraulic structures, etc), geotechnical engineering (sub-surface investigation, geophysical investigation,etc), etc. Civil, is one of the most practical engineering professions in this country.
Nigeria is a developing nation and a competent, vast and hardworking civil engineer would be glad he studied the course at the completion of his study!

Respect to you Sir. I like your methodology of analysis. Even though OP has some interesting points, his knowledge of the engineering profession is extremely limited.

I agree with Law and some engineering courses though. But not limited to Computer or Elect/Elect.

honor4me:

Negative perspective! Remember Malthus theory in economics. Where was the kind of negative things he predicted?
Know this for sure, there must be darkness before light. Nigeria will be better in 2031

My parents told me same in 2010.

Please, say something else

Hassanmaye:

Hahahhahahahhahha why do cancel only engineering sir do you mean what he said is not true or trash

OP's evaluation of engineering courses is totally wrong.

atom080:

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i never argue with the op.
and by the way, i talk about mechatronics engineering not mechanical.
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mechatronics combine EEE+MEE+CSC.
then reason it out.
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and by the way mechatronics itself MTE is more of I.T oriented.
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you only need to do a li2 research on the course.
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to state it better, for engr, go for EEE or MTE!
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never underestimate what u knw li2 about.
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i'm open to correction or reproof, but pls do it with facts and proofs.

Mechatronics is a joke. You think anyone can combine EEE, MEE and CSC together in 5 years? At the end, you're a master of none and employers begin to question where exactly you fit.

And international relations o.. Don't venture into that course

Mechanical maybe yes but civil engineering is waste of time. Most young Nigerians wants to travel abroad . Physics is so flexible you can master degree in csc field and engineering field. Alot of funding in physics field. Any one young nigeria wey Sabi book instead of going to necessary 5years course just do csc or physics and perfect your programming skills during course work.These days csc is next black gold.

MrCGPA:
Don't Dare Underrate Mechanical and Civil Engineering because of what some people you know are going through. Mechanical Engineering is Selling in Nigeria and so many Civil guys are practicing on their own (Self Employed). Comparing job vacancies of Physics with those Engineering is Weird.

NaMe4:


They and their leaders keep on looking like sitting ducks.
Is it just a hopeless situation for them?

Leaders? You mean the like of Hope Uzodinma or Tinubu who said Fulanis and Yorubas are friends?

jaxxy:


While all this is going on people are still working and earning serious money in same Nigeria.

Nigeria is not a poor country, Nigeria is a mismanaged country.


This will help people planning on staying and working legitimately in current Nigeria.

Hopefully we have better days ahead.

Go and argue with the World Bank.

AiSamuel:
Please, someone should enlighten me small on this. I was a commercial student during my secondary school time so i intended studying banking and finance at uni. Is it a perfect choice interms of fleeing out the country? or can i go for English?

I’d prefer Accountancy, Economics or Economics and statistics. That’s if you are grounded in calculations.

tensazangetsu20:


Do we have it in Nigeria? If it merges electrical and computer then all good but mechanical alone as a course of study is useless.

you are saying trash, what did you even know about mechanical engineering. Someone who doesn't even know mechatronics is a branch of mechanical engineering

As long as Nigeria is consign, the engineering courses you should go for are mechanical and electrical engineering. This two courses you see up there can work in any field. Name them, is it automotive, refrigeration, welding and fabrication, mechatronics, manufacturing companies, maintenance, construction, engineering drafting, etc. Computer engineering/science if you want to japa.

Someone will just be in is bedroom and type trash, this nairaland admin won't fact check or go through post before pushing to front page. Rubbish

Mechanical engineering is so broad, reason why they started to create more department from the course. Mechatronics, welding and fabrication, etc

LordErrk:
Who gave you the idea to type this plenty rubbish?

A doctor in Nigeria treats an average of 6k patients a year. Meaning we are in serious need of Doctors.

Travelling out of Nigeria doesn't require a lot of money too. Just study hard and pass your PLAB, or USMLE.

How many medical doctors have you seen looking for job?

Biko, stop waking up in the morning and start writing what you're not sure of

You mean like the doctor who was declined a visa because the visa official couldn't believe that a worker can be owed six months salaries? Or foreign certification exams whose fees are dollar dominated while the applicants are paid paltry sums in the devalued naira? Or are those exams written free of charge?

I'll want to know where y'all get so much optimism for Nigeria. It's befuddling!

Gerrard59:


Go and argue with the World Bank.

World bank knows our potential. We are not liquid yes bt we are not poor.

Christistruth00:

Agriculture is the new Goldmine although it has often been how God lifted Nations out of Poverty including America and UK there was always an Agricultural Revolution before an Industrial one and that is why some misled Cattle Hearders think they can hold Nigeria by the Jugular using their Ancient outdated Livestock rearing method

They are in for a Shock the South can breed bigger and better Livestock with better Production of Milk once we get the right type of Agricultural Revolution

Ostrich and Antelope Production can also be big

Antelope Milk can last for 9 months without refrigeration and without Spoiling

It is very very sad that most Nigerians are sooo short sighted that they can't see beyond their nose, It took me years to know that agriculture is goldmine after wasting a lot of funds seeking for investment that will be fruitful. Most big company owners in Nigeria is into agriculture, most retired military men with so much funds go into agriculture, ministers, doctors, politicians etc let me shock you after most politicians stole billions they always run into agriculture. I remember OBJ telling press that he is a farmer that is even when he is president, even biafra war was lost on the premise of food (agriculture) many people that have made money always find way to go into agriculture.

I reiterate Nigeria is a failed state no course in Nigeria will guarantee anyone job after graduation so my best advice to Nigerian students is take a plot of land in your village, go to school and study agriculture (to ensure literacy) then come out and put little effort on the land and see you excel. No matter how bad the economy and leadership in this country EVERYBODY must chop, if e like make Buhari dey 100 years people will chop, if e like make biafra come people will chop, if e like make Oduduwa republic no come people go chop. So what am I saying in essence, for a developing country like Nigeria the most important thing for the masses and the common man is FOOD. Let more student invest their energy there we have an overblowing population so no matter the amount of people on that sector it will always be lucrative.

If there is anything I know about Nigeria is most people here don't think, and many times people follow crowd, that's why many people pursue one sector that is developed without thinking outside the box. I made that mistake and I won't allow my kids to do that unless I gave birth abroad I will advise my kids to study agriculture and extensively go practically into it

AiSamuel:
Please, someone should enlighten me small on this. I was a commercial student during my secondary school time so i intended studying banking and finance at uni. Is it a perfect choice interms of fleeing out the country? or can i go for English?

Go for English and if possible, combine Chinese Mandarin with it. You don't need to study banking and finance to work in the financial sector. If you know basic mathematics, you can ace aptitude tests of financial services companies and get in regardless of your first degree being in English. From there, certifications matter afterwards not your first degree.

Passage:

Mechatronics is a joke. You think anyone can combine EEE, MEE and CSC together in 5 years? At the end, you're a master of none and employers begin to question where exactly you fit.

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you talk like a simp!

Medicine combines biochemistry+microbiology+physiology+pharmacology+anatomy+etc, and yet, it's the master of all.
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stop acting like you are smarter than those who create the system!

chibjohn:

I read mech Engr too and I am practicing it. Your problem is not the course but probably the personality.

This looks like a personal attack. My personality? Excuse you! How many of your coursemates are in the field? How much do you earn? I hope you encourage all your kids to study Mechanical Engineering.

tensazangetsu20:
A lot of Nigerian students especially those from high school still hold some archaic mentality that some courses are a sure way out of poverty. The situation of Nigeria and the future should make people dead that mentality o. If you arent from a rich family or well connected you should avoid studying some courses in Nigeria.

The following should be avoided except you are rich or well connected.

Medicine: This used to be a very sure way out of poverty. Just like 14 years back, even NYSC doctors were getting six figures. It was so good that even after NYSC and Housemanship, some doctors had bought nice cars or even built houses. The situation is totally different today. To get housemanship as a doctor na die and even when you get it you will be paid peanuts. To migrate out of the country as a doctor requires serious money which if you arent from a privileged home might be very difficult to meet. To also further as a doctor in Nigeria is very difficult as a lot of residency programs are based on who you know. Its no more about merit just as it used to be before yet every year thousands of teenagers kill themselves trying to get into medicine when they can get into other programs which are much more lucrative.

All Engineering Courses except Electrical/Computer engineering: Contrary to what a lot of people think, engineering a lot of branches of engineering are not as lucrative as people think they are. I was checking unilag's cut off the other day for my cousins and was shocked to find out that petroleum engineering has the highest cut-off point in the engineering department. That is a program that should be scrapped. Its glory days are over and never going to come back and its so restrictive yet a whole lot of brilliant people think killing themselves to study this is actually a good idea. Electrical and computer engineering are the only courses I can really advise anyone to go for as they are very much relevant in the ICT sector. Embedded systems, computer hardware, robotics alongside a host of others are mostly offshoots of these fields.
Lucrative alternatives to engineering that arent as competitive are computer science, mathematics and physics. Someone intending to study civil engineering or mechanical engineering in Nigeria should go for physics. There's practically no place a mechanical or civil engineer can work in this world that someone with a degree in physics cant work.

Law: I wont say much here but if you love poverty, this is an amazing course to study. If you are from arts class, instead of law go for a degree in English. At least with a TEFL certificate and an English degree you can get good jobs teaching English in asia and latin america.

Another thing that might help is that before you study a course, go on linkedin. Create a profile, go to linkedin jobs and check specifically how many jobs exist for your course in Nigeria, Africa and globally.

Nigeria isnt funny anymore to waste time on nonsense and funny as it is, Nigeria of today is a paradise compared to the Nigeria coming so folks should help themselves.

Your vision is so myopic tho, seems you cannot think more than the present. How on Gods green earth is teaching English in Fucking Philippines or China better than being a lawyer or doctor. It might take a long while to gather money to take yourself out of Nigeria but it is sure with determination. What the Bleep is this shitty write-up

Gerrard59:


You mean like the doctor who was declined a visa because the visa official couldn't believe that a worker can be owed six months salaries? Or foreign certification exams whose fees are dollar dominated while the applicants are paid paltry sums in the devalued naira? Or are those exams written free of charge?

I'll want to know where y'all get so much optimism for Nigeria. It's befuddling!

This people don’t know anything sir. Let them be. He doesn’t know that a US visa is needed to write USMLE step 2, and no VO will grant you visa because you want to write USMLE and that’s even the easy part. Getting into a residency program as a non US citizen/ green card holder with a foreign Medical degree is extremely difficult if not impossible nowadays.