₦airaland Forum

Karleb:
Nigeria is a dream killer.

If you are from a poor home and average, it's better you open your eyes and ears.

Trust me, many who had higher hopes are now learning tailoring after graduation.

Some have been teaching on a salary of 30k for more than 5 years now.

tensazangetsu20:
All Engineering Courses except Electrical/Computer engineering: Contrary to what a lot of people think, engineering a lot of branches of engineering are not as lucrative as people think they are. I was checking unilag's cut off the other day for my cousins and was shocked to find out that petroleum engineering has the highest cut-off point in the engineering department. That is a program that should be scrapped. Its glory days are over and never going to come back and its so restrictive yet a whole lot of brilliant people think killing themselves to study this is actually a good idea. Electrical and computer engineering are the only courses I can really advise anyone to go for as they are very much relevant in the ICT sector. Embedded systems, computer hardware, robotics alongside a host of others are mostly offshoots of these fields.
Lucrative alternatives to engineering that arent as competitive are computer science, mathematics and physics. Someone intending to study civil engineering or mechanical engineering in Nigeria should go for physics. There's practically no place a mechanical or civil engineer can work in this world that someone with a degree in physics cant work.

Hassanmaye:
Hahahhhahhhaha why

KingDash:
you wey no study mass comm which kind work you dey do?!

eminemkayc:
As a professional practicing engineer with close to two decades of practical engineering experience in the design of deep water structures, floating production systems, large and small displacement piles, Finite element design of foundations, design of numerous medium to high rise structures, culverts, bridges, etcetera, I can confidently inform whoever created this topic of partly misinforming the public in relation to the inexplicable comparison of Civil engineering, as a professional course, to physics. Firstly, Civil engineering, is the mother of all major engineering courses (Mechanical, Chemical, etc) and is subdivided into the following specialties;
1. Transportation engineering
2. Structural engineering
3. Water resources and environmental engineering
4. Civil engineering materials
5. Geotechnical engineering

Each of these sub-divisions have extensive applications in various industries and a thoroughbred Civil engineer who, for e.g, is grounded in structural engineering designs can, with time, easily work for himself, as a consultant in the comfort of his home, just by having core understanding of the theory of structures , reinforced concrete designs(Euro, BS codes), foundation designs (deep, shallow foundations), design of steel structures (such as telecommunication towers, shelters, crude/hydrocarbon storage tanks, gantry cranes, etc. A graduate civil engineer who is vast with the use of one, more, or a combination of tools such as SACS , ETAB, STAADpro, AUTOCAD, CIVIL 3D,etcetera can easily be employed in the oil industry, infrastructure industry, geotech companies, construction companies that handle EPCI projects, Govt parastatals (ministry of works, material testing parastatals, etc), or even just work for himself by attaching to a professional architect who gets building projects and handles, in the first instance, structural details of building projects, while learning the structural designs proper. The opportunities is boundless. But this depends on the competence of the civil engineer. A sound, diligent and hardworking Civil engineer can NEVER go hungry.
Secondly, a physicist can never perform the functions of a civil engineer as he is neither trained nor understands concepts such as Terzaghi's theory of foundation soil bearing capacities, Hansen's or Vesic's modification to Terzaghi's theories for inclined or eccentrically loaded foundations, etc. He has no understanding on the design of portal frame structures, design of bolted or welded connections, or design of retaining walls, slope stabilization structures, road designs, design of offshore fixed jacket platforms, lifting analysis, transportations analysis with wave and current kinematics, etc. He has or was never introduced to the BS codes (in school or elsewhere) the Eurocodes 1, 2, 3, etc. So he can't just practice. There are no rigid linkage between the two. He would also never get a COREN certification. Engineering is applied mathematics and applied science and mathematics/physics is the bedrock of engineering. Mathematics, in itself, is subdivided into Fluid mechanics, topology, abstract algebra, calculus and complex theory. When you plot bending moment diagram of a simply supported beam, for e.g, the equations defining the distribution of the moments on the beam are basically mathematics (polynomials or linear functions) in terms of the Moments or shear forces, etc. But a mathematician or a physicist who is not trained in Civil engineering would never understand these. He would understand the polynomial equations, but doesnt understand what bending moment diagram mean.
I have largely described avenues and opportunities that abound in structural engineering as an area of specialization. Similar opportunities abound in highway engineering (design/construction of roads, hydraulic structures, etc), geotechnical engineering (sub-surface investigation, geophysical investigation,etc), etc. Civil, is one of the most practical engineering professions in this country.
Nigeria is a developing nation and a competent, vast and hardworking civil engineer would be glad he studied the course at the completion of his study!

bravehost4u:
Is it because of Chidinma?

atom080:
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chai, wetin musa no go see?
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pls can you buttress your point? or are you speaking outta sentiment?
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pls where do you put
*mbbs
*bds
*mechatronics
*physiotherapy
*med lab
few to mention.
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man you are living in the past claiming to know the future.
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lest i forget, pls how do you analytically predict the future?

and by the way, do you study engr or medical course. if no, then ur point is baseless!
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pls if you which to reply me, engage me with facts but not sentiments or subjective ideology.

Reticular:
This is quite misleading. How do you mean that Civil Engineering or Mechanical Engineering is waste of time? You are definitely not in the industry to make such a hasty generalization. Have you considered the fact that Nigeria is a developing country with vast potential for civil construction opportunities? And you think a student of physics whose emphasis in school are on quantum mechanics, astrophysics, and some abstract stuff would be responsible for the construction of Sky Scrappers? Do you even understand what Mechanical Engineering is all about?

While electrical Engineering is hot at the moment, do you realize manufacturing is an integral part of Mechanical Engineering and will be here with us for God knows when? Please don't mislead people. Let people do what they are wired to study.

atom080:
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good and fine, you are good at savage right.
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pls what cgpa do you graduate with and what course do you study?
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if you can't answer me, pls don't border advising me.
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i understand ur type
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thankiu!

eminemkayc:
As a professional practicing engineer with close to two decades of practical engineering experience in the design of deep water structures, floating production systems, large and small displacement piles, Finite element design of foundations, design of numerous medium to high rise structures, culverts, bridges, etcetera, I can confidently inform whoever created this topic of partly misinforming the public in relation to the inexplicable comparison of Civil engineering, as a professional course, to physics. Firstly, Civil engineering, is the mother of all major engineering courses (Mechanical, Chemical, etc) and is subdivided into the following specialties;
1. Transportation engineering
2. Structural engineering
3. Water resources and environmental engineering
4. Civil engineering materials
5. Geotechnical engineering

Each of these sub-divisions have extensive applications in various industries and a thoroughbred Civil engineer who, for e.g, is grounded in structural engineering designs can, with time, easily work for himself, as a consultant in the comfort of his home, just by having core understanding of the theory of structures , reinforced concrete designs(Euro, BS codes), foundation designs (deep, shallow foundations), design of steel structures (such as telecommunication towers, shelters, crude/hydrocarbon storage tanks, gantry cranes, etc. A graduate civil engineer who is vast with the use of one, more, or a combination of tools such as SACS , ETAB, STAADpro, AUTOCAD, CIVIL 3D,etcetera can easily be employed in the oil industry, infrastructure industry, geotech companies, construction companies that handle EPCI projects, Govt parastatals (ministry of works, material testing parastatals, etc), or even just work for himself by attaching to a professional architect who gets building projects and handles, in the first instance, structural details of building projects, while learning the structural designs proper. The opportunities is boundless. But this depends on the competence of the civil engineer. A sound, diligent and hardworking Civil engineer can NEVER go hungry.
Secondly, a physicist can never perform the functions of a civil engineer as he is neither trained nor understands concepts such as Terzaghi's theory of foundation soil bearing capacities, Hansen's or Vesic's modification to Terzaghi's theories for inclined or eccentrically loaded foundations, etc. He has no understanding on the design of portal frame structures, design of bolted or welded connections, or design of retaining walls, slope stabilization structures, road designs, design of offshore fixed jacket platforms, lifting analysis, transportations analysis with wave and current kinematics, etc. He has or was never introduced to the BS codes (in school or elsewhere) the Eurocodes 1, 2, 3, etc. So he can't just practice. There are no rigid linkage between the two. He would also never get a COREN certification. Engineering is applied mathematics and applied science and mathematics/physics is the bedrock of engineering. Mathematics, in itself, is subdivided into Fluid mechanics, topology, abstract algebra, calculus and complex theory. When you plot bending moment diagram of a simply supported beam, for e.g, the equations defining the distribution of the moments on the beam are basically mathematics (polynomials or linear functions) in terms of the Moments or shear forces, etc. But a mathematician or a physicist who is not trained in Civil engineering would never understand these. He would understand the polynomial equations, but doesnt understand what bending moment diagram mean.
I have largely described avenues and opportunities that abound in structural engineering as an area of specialization. Similar opportunities abound in highway engineering (design/construction of roads, hydraulic structures, etc), geotechnical engineering (sub-surface investigation, geophysical investigation,etc), etc. Civil, is one of the most practical engineering professions in this country.
Nigeria is a developing nation and a competent, vast and hardworking civil engineer would be glad he studied the course at the completion of his study!

honor4me:
Negative perspective! Remember Malthus theory in economics. Where was the kind of negative things he predicted?
Know this for sure, there must be darkness before light. Nigeria will be better in 2031

Hassanmaye:
Hahahhahahahhahha why do cancel only engineering sir do you mean what he said is not true or trash

atom080:
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i never argue with the op.
and by the way, i talk about mechatronics engineering not mechanical.
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mechatronics combine EEE+MEE+CSC.
then reason it out.
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and by the way mechatronics itself MTE is more of I.T oriented.
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you only need to do a li2 research on the course.
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to state it better, for engr, go for EEE or MTE!
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never underestimate what u knw li2 about.
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i'm open to correction or reproof, but pls do it with facts and proofs.

MrCGPA:
Don't Dare Underrate Mechanical and Civil Engineering because of what some people you know are going through. Mechanical Engineering is Selling in Nigeria and so many Civil guys are practicing on their own (Self Employed). Comparing job vacancies of Physics with those Engineering is Weird.

NaMe4:
They and their leaders keep on looking like sitting ducks.
Is it just a hopeless situation for them?

jaxxy:
While all this is going on people are still working and earning serious money in same Nigeria.

Nigeria is not a poor country, Nigeria is a mismanaged country.


This will help people planning on staying and working legitimately in current Nigeria.

Hopefully we have better days ahead.

AiSamuel:
Please, someone should enlighten me small on this. I was a commercial student during my secondary school time so i intended studying banking and finance at uni. Is it a perfect choice interms of fleeing out the country? or can i go for English?

tensazangetsu20:
Do we have it in Nigeria? If it merges electrical and computer then all good but mechanical alone as a course of study is useless.

LordErrk:
Who gave you the idea to type this plenty rubbish?

A doctor in Nigeria treats an average of 6k patients a year. Meaning we are in serious need of Doctors.

Travelling out of Nigeria doesn't require a lot of money too. Just study hard and pass your PLAB, or USMLE.

How many medical doctors have you seen looking for job?

Biko, stop waking up in the morning and start writing what you're not sure of

Gerrard59:
Go and argue with the World Bank.

Christistruth00:
Agriculture is the new Goldmine although it has often been how God lifted Nations out of Poverty including America and UK there was always an Agricultural Revolution before an Industrial one and that is why some misled Cattle Hearders think they can hold Nigeria by the Jugular using their Ancient outdated Livestock rearing method

They are in for a Shock the South can breed bigger and better Livestock with better Production of Milk once we get the right type of Agricultural Revolution

Ostrich and Antelope Production can also be big

Antelope Milk can last for 9 months without refrigeration and without Spoiling

AiSamuel:
Please, someone should enlighten me small on this. I was a commercial student during my secondary school time so i intended studying banking and finance at uni. Is it a perfect choice interms of fleeing out the country? or can i go for English?

Passage:
Mechatronics is a joke. You think anyone can combine EEE, MEE and CSC together in 5 years? At the end, you're a master of none and employers begin to question where exactly you fit.

chibjohn:
I read mech Engr too and I am practicing it. Your problem is not the course but probably the personality.

tensazangetsu20:
A lot of Nigerian students especially those from high school still hold some archaic mentality that some courses are a sure way out of poverty. The situation of Nigeria and the future should make people dead that mentality o. If you arent from a rich family or well connected you should avoid studying some courses in Nigeria.

The following should be avoided except you are rich or well connected.

Medicine: This used to be a very sure way out of poverty. Just like 14 years back, even NYSC doctors were getting six figures. It was so good that even after NYSC and Housemanship, some doctors had bought nice cars or even built houses. The situation is totally different today. To get housemanship as a doctor na die and even when you get it you will be paid peanuts. To migrate out of the country as a doctor requires serious money which if you arent from a privileged home might be very difficult to meet. To also further as a doctor in Nigeria is very difficult as a lot of residency programs are based on who you know. Its no more about merit just as it used to be before yet every year thousands of teenagers kill themselves trying to get into medicine when they can get into other programs which are much more lucrative.

All Engineering Courses except Electrical/Computer engineering: Contrary to what a lot of people think, engineering a lot of branches of engineering are not as lucrative as people think they are. I was checking unilag's cut off the other day for my cousins and was shocked to find out that petroleum engineering has the highest cut-off point in the engineering department. That is a program that should be scrapped. Its glory days are over and never going to come back and its so restrictive yet a whole lot of brilliant people think killing themselves to study this is actually a good idea. Electrical and computer engineering are the only courses I can really advise anyone to go for as they are very much relevant in the ICT sector. Embedded systems, computer hardware, robotics alongside a host of others are mostly offshoots of these fields.
Lucrative alternatives to engineering that arent as competitive are computer science, mathematics and physics. Someone intending to study civil engineering or mechanical engineering in Nigeria should go for physics. There's practically no place a mechanical or civil engineer can work in this world that someone with a degree in physics cant work.

Law: I wont say much here but if you love poverty, this is an amazing course to study. If you are from arts class, instead of law go for a degree in English. At least with a TEFL certificate and an English degree you can get good jobs teaching English in asia and latin america.

Another thing that might help is that before you study a course, go on linkedin. Create a profile, go to linkedin jobs and check specifically how many jobs exist for your course in Nigeria, Africa and globally.

Nigeria isnt funny anymore to waste time on nonsense and funny as it is, Nigeria of today is a paradise compared to the Nigeria coming so folks should help themselves.

Gerrard59:
You mean like the doctor who was declined a visa because the visa official couldn't believe that a worker can be owed six months salaries? Or foreign certification exams whose fees are dollar dominated while the applicants are paid paltry sums in the devalued naira? Or are those exams written free of charge?

I'll want to know where y'all get so much optimism for Nigeria. It's befuddling!