Igbojihadist:
what of our fore-fathers that did not hear anything before they died what is their fate now?

They perished when they died .I.e. they were returned back to dust from which they were made.

adeshna:

I don't get you here. What do you mean by pictures of both God are different?

And there isn't different God, there is one. Our concept of God is just different

There are definitely different .. the God the Bible is not the Allah of the Quran for instance. There are many many gods out there.

Have you ever wondered why we grow old and die despite scientific findings that our cells are capable of renewing themselves?The moon has no atmosphere but the earth has with the right amount of gases for us to breathe..why?Observe very well Do not insects ,fish ,land animals and humans come from living parents?Nothing living comes from a rock?Therefore producing something that has life requires a source that is alive..Only belief in God allows for human life to have a satisfying purpose.For instance suppose your child’s grandmother or and old schoolmate dies can you convincingly explain to your child why death exists at all.
My brother God Dey ooo, the way witches and wizards exist..Try watch discovery or National Geographic and look at the world under the oceans,the species of life and believe they all came by chance.Which artwork is not the product of an artist?

ejimatic:
. I have sent a message to you already.We will talk more on this and share some Bible based books with you.Your questions are reasonable,. Permit me to say briefly here on each question 1 You can enjoy your life even now but not with a bad thing because you will answer for the way you live your life at the end. If you suffer don't kill yourself because life is sacred .Man's suffering is temporary. 2. The Bible makes it clear that the righteous will enjoy special blessings from God while the wivked will be destroyed.3 God knows some people may not hear anything about him before the judgment day He will take this into consideration .4 Bible is one though with many translations in order to make it widlwy circulated.However it was written in Aramaic Hebrew and Greek .If there is confusion in a scripture check how it is rendered in the original text. Read the following scriptures:. ICor 10 :13. Rev 21 3 to 5. Psalms 37 vrs 29. Proverb 2 vrs 21 to 23 Roman 14 vrs 9

Much of what you said is culled from doctrines and traditions of men, lies, that Jesus Christ warned are against His Truth.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

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First of all let me answer your questions
1) My brother to be frank there is nothing to enjoy in this life, i am living example. I have tested most of the things you see as life my brother there is nothing there only destruction and your view on enjoying life will only help to satisfy your which will eventually lead you to hell, let me tell you hell is not meant for men but Satan and his agent Matthew 25:41. So if you end up in hell you choose hell for yourself don't blame God please, you have enough time now to repent.
2) You are being misled by evil spirits which I was once like you it only when you give your life to Jesus Christ that you will understand how terrible you were in the world, bro without giving your life to Christ you will surely suffer till eternity.
3) God will judge everyone According to his deeds, whether you believe in God or not it wouldn't change God's position as God so you better obey him for your own good.
4) Every of the scripture is word of God and must be trusted.
You need to repent that is the only thing you lack, once you give your life to Jesus Christ your negative thinking about God will automatically change, thanks.

ephraim18:
There are things ur meant not border ur brain to think because thinking of them or trying to know would give u a serious headach... Even without been a Christian or Muslim or attached to any religious movement... U as living being ought to understand that there's a living God... Who created heaven and earth... And there's a place one go one he/she dies... Take nature for instance... Theres time foe everything... Don't allow urself to be deceived by anyone in the name of religion... Just follow ur good conscience... There are things u cannot know no matter how hard u try... Rather u become more confused...

Do you realize that you cannot know God if you dont even ask yourself these questions?

So you ought to ask yourself. Are you worshiping the same God that created your mind and brain and declared it all good and ready to use or are you worshiping instead an idea of Him probably fed you by Mogs and other false teachers and prophets out there?

TripleOh7:


So, what interpretation would you give to the Bible narrative that the prophet called on God and God sent bears to tear a bunch of kids to pieces?

I am not sure this thread is open and set for critical explanation of the narrative above. But what is key here is that, what you wrote was your interpretation hence subject to scrutiny to know if it reflects the heart of the author or just your very own explanation.

patani:
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you mean the survival instinct and design of living thing were all fluke and there was no designer nehing it?

I laugh in swahili....

Look at the universe, science has not even discovered 1% of things in existence and you are here talking with your small mind which can not even comprehend only 1% of what science has discovered....Ordinary bird was perfectly designed in such a way to make them exist...Humans even have scrotum exist outside their body just to maintain perfect temperature for procreation and sperm cell survival....and ure here saying all those designs were just fluke? How many species have existed in the past...how many are still in existence (the answer is a good number if them)...principle of selection is flawed if a sizable number of species that exist for 5billion years agi are still around today and still intact with thier survival attribute....Go and watch consciousness after death on netflix...you can then come n back here to debate me about non existence of a supreme being or spiritual realm...Or do yourself a better deal...google consciousness after death

With all these things which you have mentioned and described, wouldn't it take another higher intelligent being to create your god? You said science has only discovered 1% of things in the universe but yet you've discovered that there's a god and this god is a male? Funny guy.

siofra:

What about black magic or juju I've seen it happen before my very eyes what's the explanation for that kind of thing?

Tricks I guess

It is only FOOLS that say "There is no GOD" Think! My Brother!!
Who created the Heavens and the Earth? My brother think!
Who created the SUN, MOON and the STARS? My brother think!
Who created Human Being? Do you metamorphous from monkeys?
See,
We have come, we have go
we have light, we have darkness
we have man and we have woman
we have good and we have bad
we have Truth and we have Lies
we have White and we black
we Angels and we have Demons
we have GOD and we have Satan
Anybody that tells you there is no hell fire is ignorant. GOD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from Heaven.
Go to Jerusalem, you will see locations of scenarios played in the scripture.
GOD is real and True, JESUS CHRIST is real and True, Satan is real and True, Angels are real and True and Demons are real and True.
Let me ask you this question,
Do you know and believe that coven and witchcraft exist?
Do you know and believe that mermaid exist?
Do you know and believe that Witchcraft Doctors exist
My brother, do not be deceived, the scripture is GOD's word.
One day the trumpet will sound, JESUS CHRIST with his Angels will descend from Heaven and you will see him with your eyes, even those that pieced him with sword by the side will see him. So, study your Bible and know GOD by yourself and for yourself. Shalom!

melexchi:
i;m confused too, 1 part of the bible said after death judgement while another part said when someone dies he/she is in a deep sleep till rapture now I'm confused, Christians talking about making heaven but bible said there shall be new heaven and new earth so who will inherit the new earth when everyone's goal is heaven, well i believe in living a humble and belive in Jesus

The problem is clearly from your comprehension of what is written. You are told from the beginning that Death implies a return of man - mind, body and soul - to dust. A reasonable question you should have asked if when and how did Judgment come in for folks who are dead... I mean there is no understanding God without applying that brain that He carefully designed and built to His specification and even declared good afterwards.

udoji2021:


Sorry to say this sir, you are deviating from my questions.

I ask again, is there life after death?

Did you experience it yourself or someone told you about it or your argument is based on what is written in the Bible?

If your position is based on what you read in the Bible, how come different churches interpret it differently (JW especially) and what about of some Catholics that use to say you will go to purgatory (not sure of the spelling pls) and wait for judgement?

What I'm saying is that, different religions say different things about life after death, so which one do you think is true and why?

And what of those that don't know or have not even heard about God and Jesus Christ, what is their fate?

Lastly, what if all this that we believe is wrong?

This question strong gan

kingxsamz:


left Satan alone (who's actually the cause of the problem) and drowned the whole world. When that didn't work, he sent his son to be killed by the same humans he drowned in order to forgive them for what Satan had caused instead of just killing Satan.

You are here again making accusation on what you dont know anything about. If you are asked to explain now, you will disappear.

I know you are trying to develop skill to be critical and feel good among those who criticize the scriptures, but you see, you need to be studious and read well so that you wont appear shaky. When you cant explain or defend your utterances, you will be taken as not serious in discussion. That is the training i am giving you here. Because, If you are asked to explained above now, it will become a mountain.

Why is it so easy for you to rely or movies and stories you read than rely on your own proper studying and knowledge.

Please change your ways.

The question is letting us mke our own choices for the most part could very well be part of his plan. I only described a scenario that accommodates both our free will and God's omniscience. I never opined it is certainly the case.
And please we only try to describe God based on our experiences. In terms of God being all-knowing, we cannot fathom the very depth of it or what it entails in it's entirety. You may want to provide further explanation on what oyu mean by God indeed knows all things and not simply all possibilities and their outcome. Cos for one knowing all possibilities and their outcomes can only be divine or a divine impartation.

Kobojunkie:
"Omni" means All and "scient" meanings knowing. God does indeed know all things, and not simply the results of all possibilities.

Imagine yourself a programmer, programming a world such a ours. Do you not see how it does not pay to be blind to even a sneeze? If you a human can see this need, what makes you think God did not perfectly plan His own system?

hupernikao:


You are here again making accusation on what you dont know anything about. If you are asked to explain now, you will disappear.

I know you are trying to develop skill to be critical and feel good among those who criticize the scriptures, but you see, you need to be studious and read well so that you wont appear shaky. When you cant explain or defend your utterances, you will be taken as not serious in discussion. That is the training i am giving you here. Because, If you are asked to explained above now, it will become a mountain.

Why is it so easy for you to rely or movies and stories you read than rely on your own proper studying and knowledge.

Please change your ways.

Story story... Go and do my assignment first, then I'll read your rants.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for the sincerity.
Well i also would have opted for ATHEISM or AGNOSTISM after so many years in Islam but the day i met Jehovah's Witnesses was a turning point in my life.
YES their teachings sounds really strange unlike other religions but after reading the story of Jesus Christ myself i came to realise that his true followers will be viewed as confusionists whose teachings totally differs from all others and many will think they're demonized just like Jesus' contemporaries thought about him! Matthew 10:22-25; John 10:20

So there's no offense my friend, i wish you PEACE!

What year do you guys believe chtist reurned again? Plus JW is a cult. Rocked with pedophilia. Also your organization has investment aka shares in a company that produces war heads. Please go study your religion well before you ensnare others.

FirstbornWds:

This doesn't seem like any truth. Or just maybe.... I am missing something

How can a call demanding the inspection of the crime scene, examination of the conduct of the primary suspect Eve, the same way everyone here has been playing detective and lawyer for chidinma and the judgement of The Judge Who Sees more than we do, be bad, especially as the op asked many foolish questions?

If he wants the Pure Truth, he should be willing to beat under the bushes with hand gloves, evidence bags and all to find it.

But, if he wants other people to do the work and just report the answer to him as a typical Nigerian youth, then he should be ready to receive lies and bear the consequences because he chose to be lazy rather than find the truth for himself.

udoji2021:

This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man,

Satan didn't deceive man, Satan deceived the woman (Eve). Adam decided to fall with his wife because of the love he has for her than watch her being destroyed.
1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen?
He was disappointed in man. From the beginning, God made every animal in twos but made only Adam and left Eve inside Adam because he knew what would happen after Eve is created.
Genesis 1:27 (KJV) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
By not separating Adam and Eve, God gave Adam time to rule the earth and name all the creatures. After God saw the loneliness was too much for man, he brought Eve out from his ribs but he already had a plan in place to redeem man.
1 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Also see Ephesians 1:4-5 and Romans 8: 29-30
1 Peter says that God has ordained Christ to be the lamb before the foundation of the earth but manifested him in the latter days.

Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?
Yes because Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?
There's life after death so be careful for every action.
Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.


2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.
Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Matthew 24:35 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?
They will be judged according to their conscience. Did they do good? Did they love their brother ?
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.
It's good to seek answers. May God open your eyes of understanding.

I tire o with all these explanation. Each religion claiming superiority over others. Because our forefathers were not able to put down their own religion on paper that is why it is regarded as evil. To some Africans, everything African is evil.

MaxInDHouse:
The true God will never punish you for questioning Him, in fact He truly love those who will challenge His line of reasoning to be certain that He truly knows what He's doing {Isaiah 1:18} but first of all i must commend you for coming out to air you views on this matter.
It shows that you truly love God and He is watching you right now, in fact He has commaded his angels to focus their attention on you so don't doubt it if i say your name is about to be written in God's memory book of those who will be resurrected back to life in Paradise! Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15

Do you notice that Malachi is the last book of the OT and Revelations is the last book of the NT?
Well God purposely repeated what i cited in the scriptures as assurance of His loyal love for those who keep thinking about Him.

I'm Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, i know that my brother must have touch your heart with the seed of truth it's about the time when it will grow.
So if you want me to attend to your questions please join me in my thread entitled "Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses"

Bring all your questions there and don't entertain any doubt for God love you so much that He sent His only begotten son to die for your sin, therefore if you exercise faith in God's son by trusting in his counselings you will live forever! John 3:16

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

TripleOh7:


When I say contradictions, I meant the scriptures not the teachers.

For example, Christians believe Jesus is God.

Compare the old Testament God with the new Testament God.

The old Testament God who caused bears to tear little kids into pieces because they laughed at a prophet's bald head.

Compare to Jesus who welcomes little kids, embraces them and tells his disciples that it is little kids as such that the Kingdom of heaven is meant for.

Look at the Quran that says in one part to not forcefully convert anyone to Islam but also says that if you kill someone of another faith during a Jihad your place in heaven is guaranteed. (I might need to reconfirm this but I'm just paraphrasing)

The Quran encourages husbands to beat their wives. Etc.

But it says a man with multiple wives must treat each one equally.

First, you haven't even read the Quran to justify what you just said regards killing people of other faith for Jihad. That's a big misconception people have. Killing people so you can get your place in heaven, getting 7 or 70 virgins as reward for killing others, and all sorts of things like Jihad.

You haven't even stated any contradictions regards the Quran. You stated two things killing others, then women which are two different things. But you stated that of the bible clearly.

Africans blacks do not read, they only listen to religious teachers, they don't have time reading. That's why they can be fooled easily. You heard, you never read the Quran itself, then you shouldn't say it so you won't mislead others.

I don't want to discriminate, but go look at the whites, they create time to read and not to listen to what people say. So they conclude which book or religion answers their questions. That's why a specific religion is stated as the fasted growing religion in the world. It's growing faster in Europe, America, than the said african countries.

Try watch this video, it's a historian, journalist who specializes in america politics, history and religion. Gary Wills .. you will learn from it.

It's a sincere view of his research. Though some of his perceptions is not right. Just a few that is not noticeable. But 95% is goo

Anyone can watch.

You can view on youtube reduce resolution to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6NWfVWxqSM

saintmm:

Brother, I understand. The problem is we often read the Bible like a literally material with all focusing on either totally past or totally future.
If you study sincerely, factoring in prophecies and various timings in the Bible, somethings will become so simple and clear.
Thanks.

That is a bloody lie and you know it!

That book was purposely written by hands of humans, in human language, to be comprehended by human minds for God's very own reason and that reason is that we use our human understanding, the very one He, God gave to us, in understanding His creation and all of the Knowledge that is His, including that which is written in the Bible. Yes, that is what God wants, for you to start with even the human language comprehension skills which he bestowed on you in your attempt at understanding Him and His Truth.

Jesus Christ taught this same to you , even in Parables -Matthew 25 vs 14 - 30 -, He declared that only to who use the understanding they have been given will more understanding be given. From those who do not use that understanding, will even the little they had be taken away.

Your bible is meant to be read the same as you would any book out there and comprehended in much similar way.

SilentBurner:
The Bible was not for comparison or criticism.
It was only for believers.
Just believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and personal saviour, read the Bible and pray.
The light will shine on you and all your questions will be answered.
Don't be a Thomas.
God has given you a chance to choose.

Wrong!

kendological:
Religion and rationality don't work together.
Leave religion alone for now, read about Deism, Humanism, Agnosticism, Pantheism, maybe Atheism.
Stop being afraid of what religion taught you.

Not true!

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

Whatever you like you choose,as for me and my household,we believe in a life after death and we believe in the existence of a supreme being,God

benji93:
This is only possible if the power of God is limited. The concept of free will obviously means making a choice of free will. It doesn't mean the choices you could make are not limited by you knowledge/personality/beliefs and on and on. Your understanding of what freewill means is obviously not sound. In Quantum Physics for example researchers deal with determining the possible scenarios and the probabilities of those scenarios. You can let the particles roam freely but when you try to check in on them, you can on average be sure they are doing one of a number of things. Of course i used the word average cos i believe we humans have our limits with regards to knowledge.

Second bolded: What do you mean by he doesn't have a plan? What kind of plan do you want? The grand plan could simply be you live your life expanding your pool of choices as you on, by selecting from the plethora of choices(finite or infinite), then I judge you based on your choices. You must think God's idea of a plan must fit with man's idea of a plan. That would be assessing God from your myopic perspective. And that's quite terrible. Because someone says it's God's plan doesn't mean it is.

And besides i did not say God doesn't pre-determine. Before you talk, you must first listen. If anyone tells you he knows God's plan, he lies. I mean we are talking about an eternal plan here. You role in the plan may just be a dot on an uncountable number of pages.

If the choice we make are limited then it's not freewill.
My child wants to eat rice but I have him two options, beans or yam. I know he's either going to choose beans or yam, that's definitely not freewill.
Donts even use that quantum physics analogy for me, u ain't talking to a dummy here. There are times when the outcome are totally different from the number of things u have predicted. Secondly in quantum physics the possible outcome are predicted or guess, not known. If u use this quantum physics analogy to relate to God, u can simply say God doesn't know our outcome but just guess n predict which will not always be right.

I should be asking you what God plan is because u are the believer here.

Kobojunkie:
Not true!

What's not true?

ultimateGreen:
Straight answer to this questions:

1) Does God know the past? Yes! God knows the past because He created the universe and he was there in the past.

2) Does God know the present? Yes! God knows the present because He is here in the present and all over the present!

3) Does God know the future? No! God does not know the future! that is why he did not foresee Adam and Eve disobedience, Lucifer's rebellion etc. But he has power over future because of his omnipotency and He can predict tomorrow because of His wisdom but He gives all creatures freewill and will never deny or impose His will on them because of His benevolence...

I think this gives you more picture about who God is really is. We have to know God before we can serve him right but many people don't know God... Bible never say or portrait God as knowing future... Read your Bible!!!

Point me to the part of the Bible where Lucifer rebeled against God and while at it point me to the verse that expressively addresses Lucifer as Satan the devil .

SegFault:

And God knew their choices before he made them.

Pretty much! He did.

Mchew. Same old stupid questions

mygem:
Have you ever wondered why we grow old and die despite scientific findings that our cells are capable of renewing themselves?The moon has no atmosphere but the earth has with the right amount of gases for us to breathe..why?Observe very well Do not insects ,fish ,land animals and humans come from living parents?Nothing living comes from a rock?Therefore producing something that has life requires a source that is alive..Only belief in God allows for human life to have a satisfying purpose.For instance suppose your child’s grandmother or and old schoolmate dies can you convincingly explain to your child why death exists at all.
My brother God Dey ooo, the way witches and wizards exist..Try watch discovery or National Geographic and look at the world under the oceans,the species of life and believe they all came by chance.Which artwork is not the product of an artist?

Who is your god's artist? Your god couldn't have happened by chance.

benji93:
The question is letting us mke our own choices for the most part could very well be part of his plan. I only described a scenario that accommodates both our free will and God's omniscience. I never opined it is certainly the case.
And please we only try to describe God based on our experiences. In terms of God being all-knowing, we cannot fathom the very depth of it or what it entails in it's entirety. You may want to provide further explanation on what oyu mean by God indeed knows all things and not simply all possibilities and their outcome. Cos for one knowing all possibilities and their outcomes can only be divine or a divine impartation.

I don't describe God based on my experiences. I take Him at His Word. Since He says He knows all things... then it means the God I serve knows all things - it does not matter how deep in my mind or His that I have gone with this.

udoji2021:


Your position about religion is quite interesting. I got your point now.

So does it means that there is no God or a supernatural being greater than humans or you simply believe that organized religion all over the world is a scam?

Sorry for the many questions brother

Look at it from this angle

1) You go to church and you're instructed to keep quite as you're in the presence of God; the most high! Meanwhile the Pastor is right opposite of you sitting or standing at a position or on a platform higher than yours

2) you give routine and consistent offerings, tithe, first fruit etc as part of the church service activities and doctrines.......the pastor buy properties, furnish the church building, buy expensive cars and utilities......and he/she says God is blessing him/her; which is why he/she is looking fresher, healthier and progressing in the Lord!

Hope you get the gist ?