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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by einsteine(m): 10:23am On Jul 09, 2021
seguno2:


Was it Aguiyi-Ironsi or the five Majors that included Yorubas

Included a Yoruba not included Yorubas. Only one was a Yoruba so it is deceptive for you to use the term "included Yorubas". Coups are led by leaders and in this case, the leaders were Igbos of Eastern and Midwestern origin.

In any case, it's not the coup per se that was the problem. It was the aftermath. No single Eastern politician (Azikiwe wasn't killed, for instance) was killed in the coup and the East dominated the officer corps of the Army after most top Northern officers had been killed. Aguiyi Ironsi became the head of state and refused to prosecute the coup plotters while also destroying the regional system of government and installing a highly centralised command and control. As if all that was not enough, there was a lot of gloating by Igbo people. I can imagine a lot of them were shouting "Igbo Amaka" and enjoying what they thought was Igbo dominance.

That's what led to the counter coup and the attacks on Igbo which made the civil war unavoidable.

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by MadamExcellency: 10:26am On Jul 09, 2021
amuwo1980:
What on earth made those boys kill this man ?

Because of corruption and mismanagement.

They wanted Obafemi Awolowo instead.
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by TheRealestGuy(m): 10:26am On Jul 09, 2021
phemmyfour:
His diction is superb for a typical Mallam.

The one and only Nigeria prime minister eliminated in the igbo coup

You know the coup failed right?

You say it's an Igbo coup but do you know who actually foiled the coup in Lagos?
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by MYGRATEskillz(m): 10:27am On Jul 09, 2021
Everyone from that era had a good command of the Queen's English. That the era where we had more of intelligentials in govt. Even the military back then had good orators
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by aikyg(m): 10:28am On Jul 09, 2021
Listen to him again. He speaks with good diction, but his speech lacks depth.
owobokiri:
The Prime Minister sounded very intelligent tho..

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by phemmyfour: 10:31am On Jul 09, 2021
TheRealestGuy:


You know the coup failed right?

You say it's an Igbo coup but do you know who actually foiled the coup in Lagos?
Lives were lost and your concern is whether it was a success or failure. The coup was unnecessary, It is on record that the igbos are the pioneer of coup in Nigeria

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by Okoroawusa: 10:31am On Jul 09, 2021
Soso990240:
Christians never said smoking and drinking Alcohol is HARAM.. Muslims did
Christians don't condemn what?


Are you sure you are a Christian?
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by owobokiri(m): 10:32am On Jul 09, 2021
aikyg:
Listen to him again. He speaks with good diction, but his speech lacks depth.

I do like his intelligent take on the term "colored people"..
He was right there to talk of everyone being colored, including those who think that "white" is no more a color because they are part of that..

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by seguno2: 10:37am On Jul 09, 2021
einsteine:
Included a Yoruba not included Yorubas. Only one was a Yoruba so it is deceptive for you to use the term "included Yorubas". Coups are led by leaders and in this case, the leaders were Igbos of Eastern and Midwestern origin.

Is it less or more deceptive to say that Ironsi killed Balewa
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by Yoighaman(m): 10:37am On Jul 09, 2021
owobokiri:
The Prime Minister sounded very intelligent tho..

He is actually highly intelligent and very eloquent, you need to listen to his speeches.

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by kman3000(m): 10:42am On Jul 09, 2021
Saifullah01:

Actually he does. It takes Intelligence, confidence and deep understanding to deconstruct "established" realities especially considering that period of time and the fact that they were just coming out of colonialism.

On a lighter note it seems the confidence in Nigerians (and for which most Africans hate us) is "factory fitted"
exactly, so bold and confident without a glimpse of stuttering. Not our current sets of leaders though

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by TheRealestGuy(m): 10:43am On Jul 09, 2021
phemmyfour:
Lives were lost and your concern is whether it was a success or failure. The coup was unnecessary, It is on record that the igbos are the pioneer of coup in Nigeria

And in every coup thereafter, with the exception of Buhari's regime, lives were lost. Lives are almost guaranteed to be lost in a military coup.

You're being evasive cos you know very well that an Igbo military officer foiled the coup.

How can you even say it is an Igbo coup when ab initio the coup masterminds were not exclusively Igbo?

Since Ademoyega was one of the masterminds, safe to say it was an Igbo and Yoruba coup then?

I put it to you that you are either a bare-faced liar or you're talking about things you're ignorant about.

There are books out there. Read and be liberated from the shackles of ignorance; unless of course you have an agenda against Igbos.

For starters you can read Why We Struck by same Ademoyega.

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by barcaboi(m): 10:45am On Jul 09, 2021
RiceProducers:


Not necessarily intelligent. Good diction. Good basic and secondary education. English secondary school teachers
He was brilliant bro; no caps abeg

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by einsteine(m): 10:45am On Jul 09, 2021
seguno2:


Is it less or more deceptive to say that Ironsi killed Balewa

I am not the one who said that. But yes, that's what most people think and it's all down to the poor way Ironsi handled the coup. For starters, a public execution of the coup plotters would have saved his life and absorbed him of complicity in the coup.

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by JayB11(m): 10:45am On Jul 09, 2021
owobokiri:
The Prime Minister sounded very intelligent tho..

I swear, i wonder what we did to our parents that the standard of education got deteriorated at their time. All of those on high table i can bet, could at the time speak eloquently. Not in this time......�‍♂️

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by barcaboi(m): 10:47am On Jul 09, 2021
obiekunie01:


talking dumb trash as usual.

always trying to raise ethnic division!

There’s a problem if you find what he said offensive. He made a brilliant point.

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by abatically(m): 10:48am On Jul 09, 2021
EmptyGarden:
Chai! Aboki na Aboki!
Funny how no one seem to care.

Bros calm down. This was in the 50's/60's. Back then public smoking was a normal thing. Below is a video of former British prime minister sir Winston Churchill smoking in public on the day of his resignation. Nigeria was colonized by the British, smoking was a normal thing back then, in fact it is even common among the elites.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Uj_o1L-e0

Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by einsteine(m): 10:50am On Jul 09, 2021
TheRealestGuy:


And in every coup thereafter, with the exception of Buhari's regime, lives were lost. Lives are almost guaranteed to be lost in a military coup.

You're being evasive cos you know very well that an Igbo military officer foiled the coup.

How can you even say it is an Igbo coup when ab initio the coup masterminds were not exclusively Igbo?

Since Ademoyega was one of the masterminds, safe to say it was an Igbo and Yoruba coup then?

I put it to you that you are either a bare-faced liar or you're talking about things you're ignorant about.


Just one guy was Yoruba (ademoyega by the way ended up fighting with the Biafrans). One Yoruba Vs 4 people of Igbo origin. Come on, as far as any neutral observer is concerned, the Igbos plotted the coup. Soldiers and politicians from all other three regions were killed, not a single Eastern politician was killed. How does one decide to kill the sardauna of Sokoto and the prime minister and not kill the eastern premier?

At the end of the coup, the North had lost most of its senior military officers and Igbos were dominant in the officer corps of the army. When you add the reluctance of the Igbo head of state, Ironsi, to prosecute the coup plotters and his plan to centralise control in Nigeria, then you can forgive people for seeing it as an Igbo coup.

N. B. I have not even mentioned the "Igbo Amaka" attitude of the Igbo commoners who saw the coup as an evidence of the superiority of the Igbos over others.

When you consider the case

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by abatically(m): 10:50am On Jul 09, 2021
JayB11:


I swear, i wonder what we did to our parents that the standard of education got deteriorated at their time. All of those on high table i can bet, could at the time speak eloquently. Not in this time......�‍♂️

Most of these people went to school in the UK right from when they were very young, so it's a very normal thing. Back in the 30's-50's our schools were controlled by the British

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by TheTourist: 10:54am On Jul 09, 2021
FarahAideed:
Shagari lived till his 90s yet some people will come and say cigarettes killed Davidos PA

Help us tell them
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by BluntTheApostle(m): 10:54am On Jul 09, 2021
FarahAideed:
Shagari lived till his 90s yet some people will come and say cigarettes killed Davidos PA

Like I wrote in that post, some people are predisposed to certain medical conditions.

If genetics predisposes you to lung issues, you should not smoke. And since you can't be sure that you are not predisposed to lung problems, then you should play safe by not smoking at all.

It is an unwise thing to compare bodies.

One tobacco smoker may live long without lungs problem, it doesn't mean that tobacco inhalation is not a major cause of lung issues.

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Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by mrksquare: 10:55am On Jul 09, 2021
amuwo1980:

Was this guy the sarduarna?


He is the stooge and protege of the Sarduarna. While Sarduarna chose to hold the home front by being the premier of the northern region, he pushed his stooge to be the Prime Minister of Nigeria.
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by TheRealestGuy(m): 11:01am On Jul 09, 2021
einsteine:


Just one guy was Yoruba (ademoyega by the way ended up fighting with the Biafrans). One Yoruba Vs 4 people of Igbo origin. Come on, as far as any neutral observer is concerned, the Igbos plotted the coup. Soldiers and politicians from all other three regions were killed, not a single Eastern politician was killed. How does one decide to kill the sardauna of Sokoto and the prime minister and not kill the eastern premier?

At the end of the coup, the North had lost most of its senior military officers and Igbos were dominant in the officer corps of the army. When you add the reluctance of the Igbo head of state, Ironsi, to prosecute the coup plotters and his plan to centralise control in Nigeria, then you can forgive people for seeing it as an Igbo coup.

N. B. I have not even mentioned the "Igbo Amaka" attitude of the Igbo commoners who saw the coup as an evidence of the superiority of the Igbos over others.

When you consider the case

The north never had much senior officers at the time. The military, just like the civil service was dominated by southerners cos of the educational advantage.

You are now suddenly knowledgeable but won't talk about who foiled the coup?

If it was an Igbo coup then there's no way a Yoruba man would have been one of the masterminds, no?

Anyway, the officers involved clearly stated their reasons for the coup but people will always fall for cheap propaganda. Also, are you aware that at least two Igbo army officers were killed in that coup?

Talking about Igbo amaka is meaningless because it is normal for Igbos to be happy that harm befell those who hate and have been killing them for no reasons even pre independence.

All these rigors you're going through so as to justify the 1967 pogrom is the kind of heartlessness that defines the average Nigerian anyway.

It is why we are where we are.
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by tolguy(m): 11:02am On Jul 09, 2021
FarahAideed:
Shagari lived till his 90s yet some people will come and say cigarettes killed Davidos PA
hahahahahah are u smoking cigarette?
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by tolguy(m): 11:03am On Jul 09, 2021
Mikecold:
Is cigarettes not supposed to be Haram to Muslims?


Is it not morally unrighteous as an habit?

Is it not an intoxicant/stimulant that changes ones behavioral pattern?

Is it not primarily a western culture?

Does it not harm the health of a smoker?


So why do Muslims feel cool with cigarettes but condenm alcohol
it's haram
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by akigbemaru: 11:04am On Jul 09, 2021
BizzBizz:
A viral throwback video shows the moment Former Nigeria's President, Sir Shehu Shagari Lights up a cigarette while Nigeria's first and only Prime Minister, Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa is addressing an audience


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpX2f4qBszc
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by dederocs(m): 11:06am On Jul 09, 2021
Nigeria started on the right path, on a democratic part in the early 1960's, we had righteous leaders then, but due to selfish reasons, 1966 the overzealous dumb, myopic, ethnic bigoted Nzeogwu and his collaborators, all mainly from South East, destroyed everything, the big mouths and braggados didn't allow our new democracy time at all...his soul will be damned forever. He caused all our problems.
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by Navalsadiq(m): 11:08am On Jul 09, 2021
heniford2:
All of them have nothing upstairs
is your upstairs? Waire bawo
Re: Shagari Lighted A Cigarette, Smoked While The PM Was Addressing An Audience by dederocs(m): 11:09am On Jul 09, 2021
bolayei:
This man was worth being PM. He didn't deserve to be killed.
They were righteous, he and Sardauna, they had little security, cos of their pious lives, those dumb idiots killed him for no reason. Eastern soldiers plunged us into these problems, they started it.

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