pafra:


When God called the pastor, did he calling him to winners?

He should go and prove his calling. It must not be in winners.

The aspects of money. Ask anyone that attends winner's they will nerve emphasis money.

Is the only church that don't put anyone under pressure to give.

If any church lack anything just apply once approved the money will be released.

Every winners church have monthly impress. It is sent at the beginning of every month.

All workers are under a central payroll. It is not the duty of the local assembly to raise funds in winner's.

It is a taboo for a local assembly to raise funds it is forbidden.

If the church wants to build church, school, land or any other project. It is not the responsibility of the local assembly no member of the church is under pressure to donate. The head quarters mobilize the contractor to site.

This church is just unique.

Winner's transfer pastor every 2 - 3 Years. It improves effectiveness. As for the pastor sack there is more to it

Lifestone:

My common sense is telling me to hold people accountable for what they were hired to do.
It's mischievous to insinuate another meaning to what was written in black and white.
The failed Pastor wants a moment of fame, he had already and he should go enjoy his failure

Lifestone:

Look at your twisted rationality, a Church hired a Pastor and he should evangelize for convert to go to other churches when he's heading a church where these converts can be discipled.
Well the simple question that his employer asked him is to show his fruits, he couldn't and he was rightly fired.

Humanoid01:

You win souls to GOD, not to YOUR LOCAL CHURCH. Evangelism is not an exercise to bring people to your local church, it is the act of reaching out to people with the gospel of Christ so that they can be saved. They don't need to attend your local church to grow, there are other churches where they can do that.

helpee:
So who is now making stupid argument? Does it make sense to use the tithe paid by members of a hardworking pastor whose fruits are obvious for all to see and then use it to pay a pastor that has empty seats? If other pastors can work to bring people to the fold, why can't this pastor do same? Lazy People all over. Oyedepo pays every pastor so what is the argument that they are not using the tithe to pay the pastors working? What you are now saying is that they should also pay lazy pastors and if you believe the pastor's work is in heaven then heaven will pay him. You can't blame the pastor for that

Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people accountable for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.

wirinet:


Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.

My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.

Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.

Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.

Winners church exploit people to the fullest.

boxypane:

You are one of the problems we have in this country.

advanceDNA:


Yeah.but church growth success has been tested to work on the platform of continuous invitation....the fact is theses pastor that were sacked ddnt drive outreach enough...if you invite 20people everyday one will come...

it’s simple principle...companies out there use the same principle in marketing ...

pseudaria:


My friend shut up. That's a very wrong mentality. The pastor is a not a failure. The missionaries who brought Christianity to Nigeria, if they followed your sick mindset would have been frustrated after many years of fruitless labor and today the likes of you and oyedepo may not have been christians

triplechoice:


You just rambled without mentioning the exact source of your Church revenue

emmyileri:

Am I getting something wrong here. Is it the pastor that will add to the church or christ.

Lifestone:

He was employed by the Church. Ofcourse when you hear them at the interview, they will claim they have the call of God, it's obvious here that this Pastor has no call from God

pseudaria:


Can you imagine what you are saying. You are literally comparing church to commercial entities and making it look like that's how it's supposed to be.
THAT IS WRONG. and it will always be wrong. The church is not a profit driven venture neither is it a money spinning Enterprise no matter how much your likes try to make it seem so. Why is it that anything black man touch always takes an unfortunate turn

ijaw1stson:
Is Reno so bored in America? Must he react over everything he sees online? I tire for this man abeg

InaNla:

ijaw1stson:
Is Reno so bored in America? Must he react over everything he sees online? I tire for this man abeg

wirinet:


Read my post once again and try and comprehend before rushing to take a bullet or strap a bomb for Oyedepo.
There is no where empty seats or lazy pastors were ever mentioned or discussed. The termed used was church growth index.

Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people accountable for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.

Lifestone:

But he's a Pastor! I don't need to help him explain his call

Lifestone:

If that guy is a true pastor, he won't drag the church to social media for ridicule. He knows his action won't bring back his job, but trying to embarrass the church which should ordinarily be his constituency. Where's Daddy Freeze today

triplechoice:


The pastor dragged winners chapel to social media because he is an insider who knows exactly what goes on in that church that the public is not aware of.

BTW which other Pentecostal church in Nigeria you think would employ a pastor that was
openly disengage by oyedepo who seen as infallible by most, if not, all Pentecostal Christians

Except those pastor open their own church or find something else to do , their ability to fend for themselves and their dependents has been greatly jeopardized.

I don't think they were paid any disengagement benefit. If they were, then they should use the money to set up something for themselves. But I doubt if they were paid any

nyiamfrank:
Reno Omokri wrote on his Facebook page


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=310019004236878&id=111647580740689

Lifestone:

Did you read his post? Juxtapose his conclusion, I am not here for vain arguments

thesicilian:
But should "church growth" only be measured by the number of new comers in the church? If a church has 20 members and they're all growing spirituality through the teachings and guidance of the pastor, isn't that worthy of commendation as well?

BluntTheApostle:


No matter how you look at it, Oyedepo and Winners Chapel got this totally wrong.

If Christ was concerned about church growth in terms of population, He would not have told the parables of the lost sheep and lost coin.

Better one sincere worshipper than hundreds of mere church goers and bench warmers.

Christ was never particular about numbers. In fact, narrow is the way, and only a few would find it.

May God save Christianity from these pastorpreneurs.

nyiamfrank:
Mr. Reno, can you link the fruitfulness of a tree to human attributes?
Is the pastor not bearing children?

Church growth? Financially or in population?

When some people left Jesus as he was preaching, did he drag them back? He even turned to the disciples and asked why they remained with him!

Winners must not mention money in that letter. Be fair, man.

helpee:
You will need to answer this question first. Who employs the pastor? God or Oyedepo? If it is God, God will pay him since only God can appreciate whatever he does. Only God knows how many souls he saved in heaven. If you are now saying it was oyedepo that employed.. where do you expect oyedepo to get money to pay him? Since this is purely God's work, I expect you to condemn the pastor that was sacked not the one that sacked him..He expects another man to pay him for doing God's work. Does that makes any sense to you? Finally, you are asking me for a quotation about pastors in the Bible....There were no pastors per see in the Bible. There were priests.....and they were paid from the tithes by members of the congregation not by salary from a senior pastor. Even in the New testament.....the members brought everything they had to the church so it was shared. Bottom line is that it is not possible to pay or feed a pastor according to the Bible without members. Now that the church is empty...why should the pastor be paid by a senior pastor? Show me a reference in the Bible where it was the senior pastor that was paying salary to the junior pastor heading empty churches? Oyedepo did not sack him from church ..he only sacked him from collecting salary and since we are all doing this for God and not money, the pastor shouldn't be complaining

ImaIma1:


Freeze thinks he can match Oyedepo?

wirinet:


Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.

My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.

Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.

Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.

Winners church exploit people to the fullest.