Wiseandtrue:
I wasn't going to comment on this topic until Oyedepo himself address this issue!

But Reno, got this all wrong!

You guys have become fishers of money and not fishers of men chai! God must be a patient God oooo!

Now if the growth you are talking about is the physical growth:

Did the apostles win souls for Christ when He was with them I mean they were always going about with Jesus

And if the monetary aspect, many of the disciples STOPPED working when they met Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ has been taking care of every of their needs! Go and read Matthew 4:18–22, Mark 3:16-20 and Luke 5:1–11 , John 1:35–51!

So if BISHOP Oyedepo is really like Christ and is doing the work of Jesus Christ why can't he take care of his pastors need Or is God Almighty not a great provider again

Is Oyedepo now God Stop making mockery of God's name all in the name of looking for money!
Modified:

Did you read at all

Did Oyedepo ordained these men without hearing from God

God cannot contradict Himself!

Who is Oyedepo to sack those who wish to serve God

Even when the apostles were trying to stop those worshipping God simply because they are not part of them

Jesus Christ said "leave them! If they are not against us, they are with us!

How do you sack a pastor who is not stealing, going diabolical As a pastor, was he not prayerful Is he found wanted as a leader at home

Common!

Lifestone:

Look at your twisted rationality, a Church hired a Pastor and he should evangelize for convert to go to other churches when he's heading a church where these converts can be discipled.
Well the simple question that his employer asked him is to show his fruits, he couldn't and he was rightly fired.

Lifestone:

What most of you haven't said is how this Pastor is to be held accountable. He collects salary, stay in the Church apartment and when it's time to account for his performance, he suddenly becomes a Pastor at large !

NobleRace:


I think he sacked them for not being effective in evangelism. That's what church growth is all about. An increase in Church attendance from month to month indicates that the pastor is working. Oyedepo isn't God. There's no way he could know how effective a pastor is than using the church growth parameters. Before the sack, there would have been warnings, frequent trainings and workhops which apparently had not yielded the intended results. It's wastage to continue pouring resources into something that doesn't yield. Hence, the sack.

Sacking him from Winner's Chapel doesn't mean he has incapacitated him from working for God. The man was not called to serve God, and not Oyedepo.

chyzoo4u:


It's amazes me how serving God as a pastor has been turned to employment #smh

When Christ walked the earth he preached to thousands yet has only 12 disciples. I'm not against bringing members to Church but hey, that's not good a reason to threw a soul winner out of the Church.

The Bible says, "when two or three gather in my name, I am in their midst..."

I have never heard the early churches, Catholic or Anglican sacking (I hate to use that word for a soul winner) a Revd because of poor growth index.

No matter how good you'll want to make this look, sacking of pastors because of growth index is not biblical and Christ-like.

NobleRace:


I think he sacked them for not being effective in evangelism. That's what church growth is all about. An increase in Church attendance from month to month indicates that the pastor is working. Oyedepo isn't God.

nyiamfrank:
Reno Omokri wrote on his Facebook page


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=310019004236878&id=111647580740689

Wande22:


If there were warnings, it wouldn't have gotten to this level

chyzoo4u:


I don't know how this sound to people's ears but it irritates me badly. Like, "he was sacked for not being effective in evangelism" how does that sound?

Do you think Jesus will do same? Even if that's the reason, what happens to praying for the pastors and giving them more training? Or is this what prayers cannot do?

People left even while Jesus our Lord was preaching on earth with only His disciples remaining, and He asked why they're still with Him, why didn't they leave too.

The Bible says even if no one will praise God He'll raise up stones to praise Him. Must there be population growth in Church before you know that you're winning souls? Can't someone win a soul that is attending another Church?

Besides, it's not everyone that was preached to will repent. God knows about this when He says when you go to preach the gospel and weren't accepted by a house, you should dust your foot and leave.

Mind you, these Pastors started working in the Lord's vineyard just last year, and in one year or so they're thrown out for poot growth index.

Let's be careful with what we defend.

helpee:
Exactly...so if oyedepo is so hardworking that he could build his[b] business [/b] that much, I don't see any reason why he should tolerate any other lazy employee. Therefore, oyedepo didn't do anything wrong in sacking an unproductive employee.. case closed

pafra:


You keep calling "ramble" new found word?
You asked a question, I gave you an answer.

Will the reward of prosperity fall from God in heaven? Mr ramble

Angeles don't keep finances human keep finance. Do God have chief account? I am just human. May be you should tell me how

chyzoo4u:


I don't know how this sound to people's ears but it irritates me badly. Like, "he was sacked for not being effective in evangelism" how does that sound?

Do you think Jesus will do same? Even if that's the reason, what happens to praying for the pastors and giving them more training? Or is this what prayers cannot do?

People left even while Jesus our Lord was preaching on earth with only His disciples remaining, and He asked why they're still with Him, why didn't they leave too.

The Bible says even if no one will praise God He'll raise up stones to praise Him. Must there be population growth in Church before you know that you're winning souls? Can't someone win a soul that is attending another Church?

Besides, it's not everyone that was preached to will repent. God knows about this when He says when you go to preach the gospel and weren't accepted by a house, you should dust your foot and leave.

Mind you, these Pastors started working in the Lord's vineyard just last year, and in one year or so they're thrown out for poot growth index.

Let's be careful with what we defend.

MT:


The bolded is quite instructive.

chyzoo4u:


I don't know how this sound to people's ears but it irritates me badly. Like, "he was sacked for not being effective in evangelism" how does that sound?

Do you think Jesus will do same? Even if that's the reason, what happens to praying for the pastors and giving them more training? Or is this what prayers cannot do?
Jesus won't even pay them salaries in the first place. He was sacked from collecting salary not from continuing his evangelism. It is hypocrisy to say they are working for God so they don't need physical members but they should use the money from the pastor's that have physical members to pay him salary. I'd it compulsory he must collect salary? Let him work for God for free. Oyedepo can't sack him from doing evangelism
People left even while Jesus our Lord was preaching on earth with only His disciples remaining, and He asked why they're still with Him, why didn't they leave too.

The Bible says even if no one will praise God He'll raise up stones to praise Him. Must there be population growth in Church before you know that you're winning souls? Can't someone win a soul that is attending another Church?

Besides, it's not everyone that was preached to will repent. God knows about this when He says when you go to preach the gospel and weren't accepted by a house, you should dust your foot and leave.

Mind you, these Pastors started working in the Lord's vineyard just last year, and in one year or so they're thrown out for poot growth index.

Let's be careful with what we defend.

Lifestone:

How you guys come to equate call for accountability is worldly to me is baffling when the bible is full evidences that shows God demands accountability from us.
I have refused to go into the critique of Pastors and I will resist every attempt to do that. Let's just take it that he didn't achieve the church growth target and he was released/sacked. He should take his disappointment and find the brighter side of life.

sammyuche:
This man Reno is a snake. I do respect some of his articles buy this one I disagree. Make we no dey lie to ourselves. The pastor was sacked because he didn't bring enough money.
Is bringing enough money now equivalent to soul winning?
Why didn't they say ok try and do more evangelism? What crime did he comit? Is it now about money money money?
Damn

chyzoo4u:


It's amazes me how serving God as a pastor has been turned to employment #smh

When Christ walked the earth he preached to thousands yet has only 12 disciples. I'm not against bringing members to Church but hey, that's not good a reason to threw a soul winner out of the Church.

The Bible says, "when two or three gather in my name, I am in their midst..."

I have never heard the early churches, Catholic or Anglican sacking (I hate to use that word for a soul winner) a Revd because of poor growth index.

No matter how good you'll want to make this look, sacking of pastors because of growth index is not biblical and Christ-like.

Wiseandtrue:
I wasn't going to comment on this topic until Oyedepo himself address this issue!

But Reno, got this all wrong!

You guys have become fishers of money and not fishers of men chai! God must be a patient God oooo!

Now if the growth you are talking about is the physical growth:

Did the apostles win souls for Christ when He was with them I mean they were always going about with Jesus

And if the monetary aspect, many of the disciples STOPPED working when they met Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ has been taking care of every of their needs! Go and read Matthew 4:18–22, Mark 3:16-20 and Luke 5:1–11 , John 1:35–51!

So if BISHOP Oyedepo is really like Christ and is doing the work of Jesus Christ why can't he take care of his pastors need Or is God Almighty not a great provider again

Is Oyedepo now God Stop making mockery of God's name all in the name of looking for money!
Modified:

Did you read at all

Did Oyedepo ordained these men without hearing from God

God cannot contradict Himself!

Who is Oyedepo to sack those who wish to serve God

Even when the apostles were trying to stop those worshipping God simply because they are not part of them

Jesus Christ said "leave them! If they are not against us, they are with us!

How do you sack a pastor who is not stealing, going diabolical As a pastor, was he not prayerful Is he found wanted as a leader at home

Common!

nyiamfrank:
Mr. Reno, can you link the fruitfulness of a tree to human attributes?
Is the pastor not bearing children?

Church growth? Financially or in population?

When some people left Jesus as he was preaching, did he drag them back? He even turned to the disciples and asked why they remained with him!
If I employ someone I can equally sack the person. My basis of sacking my staff is up to me. Abi nor be employ den employ am?

Winners must not mention money in that letter. Be fair, man.

MT:
I lost interest and respect for most of the Nigeria pastors, especially David Oyedepo. Check all his antics in the past, he is so arrogant, and he behaves as if he is above the law.

One thing that constantly surprises me is that, once a father becomes the head of the church in Nigeria, God must call his children and wife by default. Go and check where all their children are pastoring, if not a very well established church in a posh zone in Nigeria, it will be in the western world like the US, UK.

Oyedepo should put his son Muyiwa Oyedepo, who he has positioned to take over his church after his demise, in any of these church branches where these pastors were sacked and let us see the magic he will use to pull crowd. So much for God of men parading as men of God.

stancydg:


Was Pastor Adeboye's son that died posted overseas? Stop hasty generalisations.

MT:


Read what I wrote carefully. I hate referring to the dead. However, late Dare was an assistant pastor in charge of Region (Youth) 35 in Eket. Does that sound like one branch in a remote part of Eket to you?

helpee:
so until they post him to sambisa you won't be satisfied. You guys are pathetic. At least he is not in Lagos, Abuja or even heading their branches in europe

nyiamfrank:
Mr. Reno, can you link the fruitfulness of a tree to human attributes?
Is the pastor not bearing children?

Church growth? Financially or in population?

When some people left Jesus as he was preaching, did he drag them back? He even turned to the disciples and asked why they remained with him!

Winners must not mention money in that letter. Be fair, man.

Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people accountable for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.

TrueNigerian300:


It is laughable that Nigerians are still defending the criminals parading as God of men. Now, let's talk about winning souls - do you know if people choose to go to other churches in that locality ? Must every Christians be a winner chapel member?? Must people accept christ via winners alone ? What if people are actually converting to Christianity but through other churches has the aim of winning souls not been achieved??

Besides, unless you are all fooling yourselves not everyone will accept christ. Even Jesus himself couldn't convert everyone doing his life time talk more of the criminals parading as God of men.

But why are black people this stupid? The Europeans that brought Christianity please look at how they practise and how we do? Look at their countries and look at ours. Something must be fundamentally wrong with black people. Smh