Havertz10:

You have big problem.

donstan18:

You have big problem.

raumdeuter:


You know the Oba of Benin, Jaja of Opobo and Alaafin of Oyo could have easily disappeared into thin air or that doesnt work when they see rifle too?

That's a question for the Oba of Benin, Jaja of Opobo etc when you see them. Turning Left and right

Havertz10:

Read all you wrote, make I reply, I no see am again.

raumdeuter:


Now they will tell you Igboho did not study Cotonou jazz that was why he was neutralized in Benin Republic

Very funny set of people with funny rounds and rounds of excuses.

The white man with few guns sacked the almighty Benin empire famed for their jujuand even deposed ọba wey no dey go transfer . Dem transfer ọba go division 4

Bombblacks:

That's a question for the Oba of Benin, Jaja of Opobo etc when you see them. Turning Left and right

So the Oba that used to disappear at will and form strong man suddenly saw some random Oyinbo guys and the jazz and all the disappearing act failed

You wanted us to ask Oba of Benin, then why did you try to offer explanation abi you are the representative

BlueRayDick:


Very funny set of people with funny rounds and rounds of excuses.

The white man with few guns sacked the almighty Benin empire famed for their jujuand even deposed ọba wey no dey go transfer . Dem transfer ọba go division 4

Na because Oba no dey familiar with guns and even cannot disappear

donstan18:

An atheist can claim not to have experienced any of the above and you can’t prove the person wrong.

Someone who doesn’t believe in spirituality can claim not to have seen or experienced any of those things you listed and still come top while debating with you.

Actually, regardless of what side of the theistic divide you are on, or whether you are sitting on the fence as an agnostic, most people have experienced premonitions and clairvoyance. There are many synonyms for them but the general ideas of both point to both.

There are several heated debates on both concepts but at no point has any atheist ever explained both concepts. Most times, the arguments just stall with the atheists picking at straws.

The truth is that we believe God by faith, there’s no tangible proof to prove his existence. Even the Bible didn’t in any part give something to use as a backup point in God’s existence debate.

Faith, faith and faith. That’s what Christians work with. There’s no proof that God exist.

Blind faith isn't faith - it's ignorance packaged as a belief to elude accountability.

If I had played the devil's advocate by masquerading as an atheist, I'd have flawed and floored you. Most Christians (and theists) as a whole just believe in the concept of God because they've been indoctrinated with it since birth.
When they meet atheists who seek logical answers, they either offer the "there's no need to doubt" answer or just gaslight the atheists.

Intelligent Design of the university is also another concept science (which atheist base their logic on) agrees with. Intelligent design requires an Intelligent Designer. Atheists agree the Big Bang and just time is responsible for the intelligent design of the universe.

You can explain the concept of God logically without even referring to "my Bible says" for a second.

raumdeuter:


So the Oba that used to disappear at will and form strong man suddenly saw some random Oyinbo guys and the jazz and all the disappearing act failed

You wanted us to ask Oba of Benin, then why did you try to offer explanation abi you are the representative

Did I quote you and talk about oba and disappearing act?

Bombblacks:

Which is expected cause you can't prepare a jazz for something you haven't experienced before or have any idea about. White men came with a different set of weapon.

Havertz10:
a human being my brother, that owns up to his actions and accepts that everything that happens to him, good or bad is random, and does his best to make the world better for others in everything he does

You can still be an atheist and be all of the above. Own it up, I don't see anything wrong in it. Nobodies knowledge on religion or the lack has universal acceptance

This is is the IWI tavor TAR 21 assault rifle; the operational weapon of DSS officers.

Na dis gun pursue Sunday commot Ibadan.

Sunday didn't wait to have himself shot at and collect this piece of magic from dem DSS guys. He's a wise man if u ask me

BlueRayDick:


Very funny set of people with funny rounds and rounds of excuses.

The white man with few guns sacked the almighty Benin empire famed for their jujuand even deposed ọba wey no dey go transfer . Dem transfer ọba go division 4

Man said few guns lmao. You need to read up on things before typing garbage.

swiz123:


You can still be an atheist and be all of the above. Own it up, I don't see anything wrong in it. Nobodies knowledge on religion or the lack is has universal acceptance

atheist is doubting just god, I doubt and question everything

popizaino:



The idiot is a fool that watches football with his back facing the TV. Imagine watching this clip against Bayern and still coming to cap nonsense. Some people are like man-made gods,they have eyes but cannot see.

Guy you dey vex o

BlueRayDick:
This is is the IWI tavor TAR 21 assault rifle; the operational weapon of DSS officers.

Na dis gun pursue Sunday commot Ibadan.

Sunday didn't wait to have himself shot at and collect this piece of magic from dem DSS guys. He's a wise man if u ask me

he is a coward, he should have submitted himself to dss, answered questions, rebranded his movement and continued with his agenda but he assumed that he could fight them using youths and a community

All those touts will return to the streets and continue committing attrocities while their fathers will keep impregnating their mothers to produce more idiots

In no scenario is Nigeria getting better

Havertz10:
Americans, say look see rockets in the sky, , go outside, you look up and you see it

Nigerians say, witch get the airways of benin skies at night. Go outside at night, where dem?

There is good or bad, if there is god, there is satan, if pastors have powers, satan worshipers aka jazz man are connected to his power socket and therefore witches are real

Dem done mad finish for Nigeria

We no dey see jazz, we no dey test jazz, you no dey transfer jazz to another unfamiliar country, Jazz no dey do verifiable things, no dey predict scores, no dey win Olympics fight

Jazz only works when you have to punch hungry Obinna for villa or slap Bisi with touch and follow for Ekiti

A001:

Interesting. Personally, I have witnessed a similar scenario a few times that seems mysterious.

I think a number of such demonstrations (by magicians and the likes) are performed using tricks.

However, some others (of such shows) demonstrate certain properties of nature that scientists are yet to fully comprehend.

When a magician does something that seems to defy the laws of physics (like chewing blade without getting hurt, for instance), I think they're applying the notion/principle that all heads
(brains) in the universe are connected as a single matrix, according to Otematum.

They have mastered this principle and, thus, know how to make their audience see whatever picture (things) they've imagined in their mind.

One can understand this, at least theoretically, by applying some principles of quantum physics to the brain.

If the brain is seen as a matter wave (a system of photons), it can experience entanglement the same way a typical quantum mechanical system does --albeit on a much lower scale.

A definition of quantum entanglement: If you observe a particle in one place, another particle—even one light-years away—will instantly change its properties, as if the two are connected by a mysterious communication channel.

Entanglement on such a relatively enormous scale (as applicable to the brain) has not been demonstrated yet by scientists.

If you're familiar with optics in physics, you would know that what we see as reality isn't what really exists.

When you look at any object, your brain forms a picture of the object based on a number of factors, including the amount of light entering the eyes, your mental state.

Even your religious beliefs and cultural beliefs also shape what you see as reality.

Due to the limitations of our senses, we can't see a sizeable part of reality (much of reality is filtered by the eyes).

Even there are some parts of the electromagnetic spectrum (light in layman's terms) we can't see. Also, we can't hear or detect some waves within certain frequency range.

Thus, we can't get a full picture of reality, but the (limited) interpretation our brain produces.

The magician knows this: That what we see as reality is just an illusion, not what really exists.

I think some of these magicians and priests of African traditional religion know a number of secrets about reality that the average person doesn't know. (Perhaps they learnt them from their ancestors they've deified as a god or goddess.)

They (the genuine ones among them) don't see reality like the average person does.

This quote from Nikola Tesla sums up this point: “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”

he is back. Welcome, sir.

donstan18:

Bible na book, Na story, it was filtered, some things were pulled out, it’s confusing, no reasonable person will believe everything in the Bible, even the pastors don’t use some verses, they use the ones that favors them.

I’m a Christian, I believe in God, I don’t believe everything the Bible says.

Funny. I remember when I was in this phase you are now. Don't worry you will eventually get there. Right now, you still literally have "the fear of God" and by default don't wish to "blaspheme".
It's only a question of time before you realize that that fear is irrational. That's if you haven't already and not just pretending here.

Havertz10:
he is a coward, he should have submitted himself to dss, answered questions, rebranded his movement and continued with his agenda but he assumed that he could fight them using youths and a community

All those touts will return to the streets and continue committing attrocities while their fathers will keep impregnating their mothers to produce more idiots

In no scenario is Nigeria getting better

I had sympathy and supported Igboho when he was fighting against insecurity and bandits but when he turned it to Yoruba Nation, I felt the general acceptance he got for the insecurity issue was making him take too much on too soon

That is a fight that he is not equipped to win at this time

No law can fault you for defending yourself, but breaking a country is not defensible with the law of the land

swiz123:
Havertz10 I once told you about something I witnessed. I will tell this story more succinctly because I need a logical explanation for this...

Some years ago, I was told that one Akwa Ibom boy hears voices from his god and that if I write something on a piece of paper and fold it, he can tell me what I wrote on the paper without opening it. I am a very rational person so I laughed it off. To make them see their own stupidity, I offered to give the guy 10k if he does it in my presence.

Well, two days later, precisely on a Sunday morning they brought the boy. I went inside, wrote 10 things in a sheet of paper and folded them roughly and brought it outside. I remember writing things like:

1. Lewandowski
2. The prince of Edinburgh
3. De Bruyne
4. Nigeria is still a slave of their own independence
5. Kemi Olunloye has diarrhea of the mouth

Forgotten the rest... The boy did some incantations and some funny dances and took one of the folded paper, chewed it and spat it out. I held with me 9 pieces. I brought out the 1 one, he closed his eyes and touched it... After meditating for like 10 seconds he would say exactly what was on the sheet. I would open it to confirm. Note that I had my eyes on him and the paper was folded beyond recognition. ( Don't blame me, my money was on the line )..

This guy didn't even give me a chance to argue because those ones he couldn't pronounce, he would spell them correctly. Cos at a point, I was praying he would mispronounce words Edinburgh, lewandowski, De Bruyne or even diarrhea.

He crowned it by also saying what I wrote in the one he spat out. I didn't bother checking cos I knew he got it correctly..

Ever since then, I have been looking for logical ways to explain how that boy did that thing. The more I try, the more ridiculous I would sound.

So bro, I want to believe this is a mere parlor trick but I would like you to help give me a logical explanation why that happened. Cos I have failed

It's a trick, i can do this too

The first paper he chewed isn't what you wrote but his own folded paper

swiz123:
Havertz10 I once told you about something I witnessed. I will tell this story more succinctly because I need a logical explanation for this...

Some years ago, I was told that one Akwa Ibom boy hears voices from his god and that if I write something on a piece of paper and fold it, he can tell me what I wrote on the paper without opening it. I am a very rational person so I laughed it off. To make them see their own stupidity, I offered to give the guy 10k if he does it in my presence.

Well, two days later, precisely on a Sunday morning they brought the boy. I went inside, wrote 10 things in a sheet of paper and folded them roughly and brought it outside. I remember writing things like:

1. Lewandowski
2. The prince of Edinburgh
3. De Bruyne
4. Nigeria is still a slave of their own independence
5. Kemi Olunloye has diarrhea of the mouth

Forgotten the rest... The boy did some incantations and some funny dances and took one of the folded paper, chewed it and spat it out. I held with me 9 pieces. I brought out the 1 one, he closed his eyes and touched it... After meditating for like 10 seconds he would say exactly what was on the sheet. I would open it to confirm. Note that I had my eyes on him and the paper was folded beyond recognition. ( Don't blame me, my money was on the line )..

This guy didn't even give me a chance to argue because those ones he couldn't pronounce, he would spell them correctly. Cos at a point, I was praying he would mispronounce words Edinburgh, lewandowski, De Bruyne or even diarrhea.

He crowned it by also saying what I wrote in the one he spat out. I didn't bother checking cos I knew he got it correctly..

Ever since then, I have been looking for logical ways to explain how that boy did that thing. The more I try, the more ridiculous I would sound.

So bro, I want to believe this is a mere parlor trick but I would like you to help give me a logical explanation why that happened. Cos I have failed

Mistake number 1. Did you spoof for cameras?

Havertz10:
Americans, say look see rockets in the sky, , go outside, you look up and you see it

Nigerians say, witch get the airways of benin skies at night. Go outside at night, where dem?

There is good or bad, if there is god, there is satan, if pastors have powers, satan worshipers aka jazz man are connected to his power socket and therefore witches are real

Dem done mad finish for Nigeria

So you think It's only Nigeria that practices or believe in witchcraft and sorcery

Bombblacks:

Man said few guns lmao. You need to read up on things before typing garbage.

Some of u are just pseudo intellectuals who are actually empty but jump at people's post trying to sell urself as reasonable.

Below is an except of how juju believing Kingdom prepared for war

. Here, for instance, are some extracts from the diary of a surgeon who took part in the expedition.:- 'As we neared Benin City we passed several human sacrifices, live women slaves gagged and pegged on their backs to the ground, the abdominal wall being cut in the form of a cross, and the uninjured gut hanging out. These poor women were allowed to die like this in the sun. Men slaves, with their hands tied at the back and feet lashed together, also gagged, were lying about. As we neared the city, sacrificed human beings were lying in the path and bush—even in the king's compound the sight and stench of them was awful. Dead and mutilated bodies were everywhere — by God! May I never see such sights again! . . .'"[17]

Yes, I said what I said; 1,200 men including sailors, porters and what have u took out an entire kingdom and here u are laughing at Ur own foolishness about "few guns"

BlueRayDick:


An educated mind knows the government will surely flag him and have him arrested by security agents of whatever territory he comes up on the system. An educated mind knows DSS will not go gùn wielding outside of their territorial jurisdiction, rather they will require the assistance of the security agencies over their to have him arrested on their behalf.

It's just the same basic method adopted in arresting Kanu that's at play here. Nothing to see here. Once u are declared u will surely get what's coming to u like Sunday just did.

The issue we were on that time was, they couldn't arrest him in Nigeria and which is still valid. Nigerian government didn't arrest him.

Tagging me today that Nigerian government succeeded in arresting him is inconsequential to our argument then.

raumdeuter:


How many times have you had those feelings and it didnt come to pass?

If you had those feelings and thoughts 10 times, they probably hit/miss in a 50-50 ratio, while you dismiss the ones that didnt hit, you hang on to the ones that hit

E.g a Chelsea fan before a match says I strongly believe Werner will score, Werner scores, he jumps up and say "I told you so". Another match he predicts that I have a feeling Harvetz will score, Harvetz doesnt score, he keeps quiet

Using a team of eleven players increases the possibility of it a happening.

The chances of Werner scoring at the very least is 1:11. It could even increase to 5:11 based on his recent performances.
That's why football bet is a thing and certain outcomes are stated to be gambled upon.

It's completely different from you hanging out with friends who are jolly and you have a weird feeling to just leave them to go home, even though nobody is waiting for you at home and you have all the time to yourself. You can't explain it but somehow, something happens after you left.

That was how one pastor was saying it boldly that England will win the Euros, assuming England won now, what would we be saying about his clairvoyance? His church would be the flavor of the town. But England did not. After a few dragging people have forgotten and moved on

Same way with those who had those feelings and thoughts and communicate them out.

You know the test, whenever you have those feelings or thoughts, communicate them out to people who can hold you accountable to the success and failure and you will soon realize they are just probabilities playing in your head

Now that's you assuming. I believe in the concept of God, not an all-controlling God who directs the affairs of men. That's why man has free will to choose.

It's my choice to walk out, stand in the middle or the road and get knocked over by a driver. It's the driver's choice to focus on fiddling with his smartphone instead of driving with undivided attention. Whatever becomes of that accident boils down to the CONSCIOUS decisions both of us took, not God.

I can have a premonition and decide to alter my normal routine or planned itinerary for the day. It all boils down to me.

You can't explain away why some relatives us a premonition of a certain family member dying days or weeks before the death yet the deceased was healthy and safe before and after the dream until the sudden death.

I don't believe in the silly prophecies of most of these clergymen too. There's nothing like predestination. Predestination would mean you have no power to decide.

It's my decision to either be a truant who eventually robs a bank or an automechanic who learn from Brother Timothy two streets away. It's entirely up to me to decide.

airmark:


The issue we were on that time was, they couldn't arrest him in Nigeria and which is still valid. Nigerian government didn't arrest him.

Tagging me today that Nigerian government succeeded in arresting him is inconsequential to our argument then.

So Igboho's jazz is no longer valid in Benin Republic

You should consider comedy

BlueRayDick:


[s] Some of u are just pseudo intellectuals who are actually empty but jump at people's post trying to sell urself as reasonable.

Below is an except of how juju believing Kingdom prepared for war



Yes, I said what I said; 1,200 men including sailors, porters and what have u took out an entire kingdom and here u are laughing at Ur own foolishness about "few guns" [/s]

It's the stupidity for me. Its only in your empty head that 1500 armed men will be referred to as few .

Havertz10:
let's imagine that the entire planet gives their lifes to jesus

Would civilization advance? We will all be bored to death, as beautiful as you people like to make religion appear, it's a boring association of like minded people that only live their lifes in service to a supreme being, herd of sheep

Think about the world without sin, with everybody following the bible to the letter, it's boring and dead, it's a medieval concept that was concocted to give people hope, make living back then in the fields bearable

Besides self, I think you Christians enjoy feeling superior, many people here will be wishing hell for me, it makes you feel good believing that anybody that called you a fool for being stupid, will burn in hell

Ignorance, they say, is a disease.

airmark:


The issue we were on that time was, they couldn't arrest him in Nigeria and which is still valid.

Tagging me today that Nigerian government succeeded in arresting him is inconsequential to our argument then.

U questioned why he couldn't be arrested about twice and I tried making u see that it was restraint on the parts of the arresting officers and not any kinda juju in play. When they did away with restraint, he bolted and fled the country.

Now he's been arrested and his juju hasn't in any way saved him. He will probably be handed over to DSS, do we wait for him to get here and disappear from their premises?

DissTroy:


Actually, regardless of what side of the theistic divide you are on, or whether you are sitting on the fence as an agnostic, most people have experienced premonitions and clairvoyance. There are many synonyms for them but the general ideas of both point to both.

There are several heated debates on both concepts but at no point has any atheist ever explained both concepts. Most times, the arguments just stall with the atheists picking at straws.



Blind faith isn't faith - it's ignorance packaged as a belief to elude accountability.

If I had played the devil's advocate by masquerading as an atheist, I'd have flawed and floored you. Most Christians (and theists) as a whole just believe in the concept of God because they've been indoctrinated with it since birth.
When they meet atheists who seek logical answers, they either offer the "there's no need to doubt" answer or just gaslight the atheists.

Intelligent Design of the university is also another concept science (which atheist base their logic on) agrees with. Intelligent design requires an Intelligent Designer. Atheists agree the Big Bang and just time is responsible for the intelligent design of the universe.

You can explain the concept of God logically without even referring to "my Bible says" for a second.

I dare you bruv. You must refer to the Bible at some point. It’s inevitable, that’s why I don’t argue the existence of God because there’s no logical evidence.

DissTroy:


Using a team of eleven players increases the possibility of it a happening.

The chances of Werner scoring at the very least is 1:11. It could even increase to 5:11 based on his recent performances.
That's why football bet is a thing and certain outcomes are stated to be gambled upon.

It's completely different from you hanging out with friends who are jolly and you have a weird feeling to just leave them to go home, even though nobody is waiting for you at home and you have all the time to yourself. You can't explain it but somehow, something happens after you left.

We can reduce it to a binary choice. Wilder or Fury is either one or the other. I have a premonition that Fury will win its 50-50
I have a premonition that NEPA will take light its 50-50, Rashford will score or miss penalty is 50-50

So that particular incident is probably 50-50 which even increases the odds

So let me ask you anytime you have those premonitions, write them down and tell someone else who can hold you accountable and trust me, you will realize they fall in 50-50 ratio

raumdeuter:


So Igboho's jazz is no longer valid in Benin Republic

You should consider comedy

Go and ask why he was never picked up until he got to Benin.