hensben:
Those 3 will work against average teams.

they have assisted each other, created goals and chances for each other

Mount is the outlier, he created the least amount of chances with them and the least amount of assist for them

raumdeuter:


Boateng was marking Drogba before Lampard set up a defensive pick for him. It's a tactic common where another player blocks the path of the marker and allows one player to get free

It was the same thing Muller did for Alba to allow Robben to score vs Barcelona in 2013 semis

Like pick and roll in basketball ba?

BlueMann:


Like pick and roll in basketball ba?

Yes like in basketball. You can also do it stylishly in football

Capaldi:

I checked and the initial discussion was about freedom of speech and football banter.

Check this one too.

https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-champions/9710#93359114

If u still don't get what u are looking for, then I guess u have to do the digging urself....But there were actually discussions about Islam here too last year when most people had time on their hands

DissTroy:


"Jesus moved to Bethlehem". If you transliterate this statement, it still means the same thing.
"He kicked the bucket." If you transliterate this statement, it means something else. If you translate it, it means "he died".

Transliteration is a literal meaning. Translation is context dependent.
The supposed translators of the Bible from Aramaic to Hebrew to Greek and Latin to German and/or English lost a lot of context.
In Hebrew, the word for day could also mean week or a long period of time.


I'm Ibibio. The Ibibio word for "market day' and "market" is "Udua". The Ibibio word for "week" is also "Udua".

If I say, I'd be back in one "udua", if you transliterate it, you'd tell someone, "Disstroy would be back in one day" while what I actually meant if you translate it is, 'I'd be back in one week".

That's the problem with the bible you read. Most pastors don't even know the difference.

The Hebrew word for "day" means many things. including "a long period of time".

While I agree with you that some portions of the bible are transliterated, I don't believe that all are transliterated, else reading the bible will be so wrong (as a Christian) cos we won't be getting what the passages actually meant.

I understand your examples, (I clearly do), but one thing I do know from reading the bible (and through Bible studies) are, any transliterated verse is mostly explained in another book, chapter or verse of the bible. The example you gave about God creating the earth in days as being transliterated is a perfect example (which I know before now) cos even another passage of the bible clarified that.(which you correctly explained in your previous post).

That's why they're 66 books in the bible, some with different versions almost saying same thing , (book of kings and chronicles, the different versions of the 1st four books in new testaments and so on).... Reading them, one can spot some transliterations. If all are transliterated, then it's almost useless reading and understanding the bible cos we'll be reading it wrongly.

Jodera:
While I agree with you that some portions of the bible are transliterated, I don't believe that all are transliterated, else reading the bible will be so wrong (as a Christian) cos we won't be getting what the passages actually meant.

I understand your examples, (I clearly do), but one thing I do know from reading the bible (and through Bible studies) are, any transliterated verse is mostly explained in another book, chapter or verse of the bible. The example you gave about God creating the earth in days as being transliterated is a perfect example (which I know before now) cos even another passage of the bible clarified that.(which you correctly explained in your previous post).

That's why they're 66 books in the bible, some with different versions almost saying same thing , (book of kings and chronicles, the different versions of the 1st four books in new testaments and so on).... Reading them, one can spot some transliterations. If all are transliterated, then it's almost useless reading and understanding the bible cos we'll be reading it wrongly.

Most events recorded in the bible were not recorded real time. Some were recorded hundred of years after the original incident

For example the earliest Gospel which was the book of Mark was written over 50yrs after Jesus died

Think of all the things that could possibly have been lost or mischaracterized when 5 people are reporting an incident that happened 50yrs ago from memory and sometimes reporting the words of eye witness 50yrs ago

Imagine a man that died in 50yrs ago whose life was not documented when he was alive, now in 2022 they are asking people who knew him to write things about him, There will be many similarities in the major events, but the other ones might have many instances that are not very accurate

For example the story of India vs Nigeria 99-1 Do you know how many people believed it? If not for enlightenment it would have become Gospel truth.

Depending on the side of the country you grow up in, Some believed it was Segun Odegbami, Some believed it was Okwaraji who was one of the actors in that "match"

Obviously that story came from one source and was modified from mouth to mouth till it almost became true

Jodera:
While I agree with you that some portions of the bible are transliterated, I don't believe that all are transliterated, else reading the bible will be so wrong (as a Christian) cos we won't be getting what the passages actually meant.

I understand your examples, (I clearly do), but one thing I do know from reading the bible (and through Bible studies) are, any transliterated verse is mostly explained in another book, chapter or verse of the bible. The example you gave about God creating the earth in days as being transliterated is a perfect example (which I know before now) cos even another passage of the bible clarified that.(which you correctly explained in your previous post).

Transliteration isn't always wrong. "I am a man" is literally "I am a man" in any language.

"Fruit of the womb" is where you have to be careful not to transliterate.

That's why they're 66 books in the bible, some with different versions almost saying same thing , (book of kings and chronicles, the different versions of the 1st four books in new testaments and so on).... Reading them, one can spot some transliterations. If all are transliterated, then it's almost useless reading and understanding the bible cos we'll be reading it wrongly.

If transliterations, figures of speeches and biblical analogies are that easy to spot by everyone, they should know the following:

1. 7 days of creation is not Monday to Sunday;

2. Eve did not talk to a literal serpent;

3. The Garden of Eden is a not a physical place but man's spiritual state with God;

4. The forbidden fruit is not a literal fruit.

And don't get me started on the 66 books. That's another topic.

The point is, most people take these things literally mostly because their equally innocent "Daddies-in-the-Lord" do not even know better.

They just 'kabash' and hope the 'grace' of God is sufficient to cover ignorance.

BlueRayDick:


It's actually appalling I see Kanu loyalists saying stuff like "the director has commanded....the director say this, the director say that".....blah...blah....blah. Someone that has his family well tucked in a civilized society enjoying life to the fullest will command me to against this murderous government and I will foolishly act upon it? Nah!

That life ain't for me at all. Like u said earlier, make the person carry him children come make we dey the same forest dey train how we go take face trained soldiers with assault rifles, then I will be willing to listen to the director

DissTroy:



Transliteration isn't always wrong. "I am a man" is literally "I am a man" in any language.

"Fruit of the womb" is where you have to be careful not to transliterate.


If transliterations, figures of speeches and biblical analogies are that easy to spot by everyone, they should know the following:

1. 7 days of creation is not Monday to Sunday;

2. Eve did not talk to a literal serpent;

3. The Garden of Eden is a not a physical place but man's spiritual state with God;

4. The forbidden fruit is not a literal fruit.

And don't get me started on the 66 books. That's another topic.

The point is, most people take these things literally mostly because their equally innocent "Daddies-in-the-Lord" do not even know better.

They just 'kabash' and hope the 'grace' of God is sufficient to cover ignorance.

What makes your own translation of what you perceive happened to be accurate and not the opposite?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTU1DJlPzzA&t=90s

Capaldi:

What makes your own translation of what you perceive happened to be accurate and not the opposite?

Facts, my friend; comparative analyses. Analyses of original text and their contextual meanings.

Sayings like, "If your eyes causes you to sin, cut it out". Those are sentences that should have been properly translated to the modern Bible from the original text, instead of transliterated.

That's why everyday, preachers have to keep explaining the CONTEXTUAL meanings of passages like that because people, by default, do not read between the line.

Jesus was called the "New Adam" because he was presumably without sin so spotless like God created man to be. Adam represented that spotless man until he sinned.

The supposed serpent Eve talked to was her own inner desires - cravings of the flesh which led her.

Again, you have to understand that the Hebrew are very mystical people and represent a lot of things in many ways. Just like a goat means a lot of things other than the literal goat to those into astrology.

DissTroy:



Transliteration isn't always wrong. "I am a man" is literally "I am a man" in any language.

"Fruit of the womb" is where you have to be careful not to transliterate.


If transliterations, figures of speeches and biblical analogies are that easy to spot by everyone, they should know the following:

1. 7 days of creation is not Monday to Sunday;

2. Eve did not talk to a literal serpent;

3. The Garden of Eden is a not a physical place but man's spiritual state with God;

4. The forbidden fruit is not a literal fruit.

And don't get me started on the 66 books. That's another topic.

The point is, most people take these things literally mostly because their equally innocent "Daddies-in-the-Lord" do not even know better.

They just 'kabash' and hope the 'grace' of God is sufficient to cover ignorance.

Baba abeg some of us no know the Wetin all these things mean literally, so what exactly do they mean by all these since you said they are transliterated??

DissTroy:


Facts, my friend; comparative analyses. Analyses of original text and their contextual meanings.

Saying like, "If your eyes causes you to sin, cut it out". Those are sentences that should have been properly translated to the modern Bible from the original text, instead of transliterated.

That's why everyday, preachers have to keep explaining the CONTEXTUAL meanings of passages like that because people, by default, do not read between the line.

Jesus was called the "New Adam" because he was presumably without sin so spotless like God created man to be. Adam represented that spotless man until he sinned.

The supposed serpent Eve talked to was her own inner desires - cravings of the flesh which led her.

Again, you have to understand that the Hebrew are very mystical people and represent a lot of things in many ways. Just like a goat means a lot of things other than the literal goat to those into astrology.

Can you prove all these? The answer is No. What's the difference between you and those pastors translating the bible to their own understanding? Can you prove the serpent didn't talk? Etc

Omo there's a live charity match currently going on super sport 4. Legends of El classico. (Madrid vs Barca).
Dinho, Figo, Carlos, rivaldo, deco and many more playing.. stadium full die.

hensben:
[s]And you seriously think you know how to speak English with that jargons you spew[/s].

You no sabi speak correct English Bro

raumdeuter:


Comedia airmark, Did the jazz expire the moment he crossed Seme border?

Go and ask him.

donstan18:

How can a virgin give birth?

Guy, just come out clean.

If you don't believe in Jesus' birth, then you deny his diety, and if you deny it, then you deny what makes you a Christian. The Bible states that the belief in the birth, death and burial of Jesus is the gospel, and thus what makes a person considered a Christian. If you don't believe the gospel, you are no different from an agnostic or athiest.

Christianity is based on these principles, if you dont believe it, then dont bother yourself.

swiz123:


Guy, u no sabi do am... I was 100% sure it was it. How did he know the other ones I wrote

It's a trick...I use am chop money too then

Did he got all the names you wrote?

NewDelhi:
Omo there's a live charity match currently going on super sport 4. Legends of El classico. (Madrid vs Barca).
Dinho, Figo, Carlos, rivaldo, deco and many more playing.. stadium full die.

Currently watching. Those guys don old o see men . Men dem

Ebukacute:

Guy don't say what you don't know... I am from Enugu ezike.when I was still doing street I went far and came back, Razor blades or any sharp object can't cut my body then. I had guys that guns can't penetrate their bodies... Korkoro e dey play e dey show... If anybody here doubt me I'll drop my contact here, meet me at nsukka I will take u to okopi or eze ekwensu( the popular man with 47 wives from Enugu ezike) or oke ojobor make u know whatsup... Jazz dey..every jazz get wetin dey spoil am,they will tell u...mine then was was never to drink water from stainless cup or eat from pot.... Believe me
I spoilt that shit about 4 years ago after I truely gave my life to Christ sha.

Happy for you.

Mine is to make Dayo chop grass when next he visits Naija and gets him recorded.

Bombblacks:

Even the nonsense thesis you brought even showed it that superior machinery and weaponary was the only reason Britain won.

Blueraydick said few guns like few shakabula (dane guns).

Capaldi:

Can you prove all these? The answer is No. What's the difference between you and those pastors translating the bible to their own understanding? Can you prove the serpent didn't talk? Etc

I just explained some passages to you. Just because your theological knowledge is limited by the tutelage of your "Daddy-in-the-Lord" who selectively reads out transliterated Bible passages from the KJV Bible to you doesn't mean others do not go beyond that.

You can dig up original text, some which have been translated by scholars of ancient Aramaic and Hebrew directly into English, not the commissioned 66 books made to fit with the propaganda of some pagan emperor.

I even went the extra mile to explain using a major Nigerian language how intended meanings get lost in translation-albeit-transliteration.

I did not write the scriptures - no one man did. I just study and go beyond "My Papa said". Screw it, I've not had any 'Papa-in-the-Lord' for years now, and it coincided with me digging up truth for myself.

This debate picked up when I asked if you can prove God's existence logically without quoting the scriptures. Most 'My dadd-in-the-Lord' said wouldn't even dare to but ask you to believe blindly.

Wait...Didn't your 66 books say something about the truth being hidden from men but they shall find it if they seek it? - if they consciously search?

Ebukacute:

Guy don't say what you don't know... I am from Enugu ezike.when I was still doing street I went far and came back, Razor blades or any sharp object can't cut my body then. I had guys that guns can't penetrate their bodies... Korkoro e dey play e dey show... If anybody here doubt me I'll drop my contact here, meet me at nsukka I will take u to okopi or eze ekwensu( the popular man with 47 wives from Enugu ezike) or oke ojobor make u know whatsup... Jazz dey..every jazz get wetin dey spoil am,they will tell u...mine then was was never to drink water from stainless cup or eat from pot.... Believe me
I spoilt that shit about 4 years ago after I truely gave my life to Christ sha.

Ebuka can you help with EPL scores for August? Some of us wan chop money

BikeMan:
Raumdeuter, please who was marking Drogba when he headed in to equalize on that faithful night in Munich?

raumdeuter:


Most events recorded in the bible were not recorded real time. Some were recorded hundred of years after the original incident

For example the earliest Gospel which was the book of Mark was written over 50yrs after Jesus died

Think of all the things that could possibly have been lost or mischaracterized when 5 people are reporting an incident that happened 50yrs ago from memory and sometimes reporting the words of eye witness 50yrs ago

Imagine a man that died in 50yrs ago whose life was not documented when he was alive, now in 2022 they are asking people who knew him to write things about him, There will be many similarities in the major events, but the other ones might have many instances that are not very accurate

For example the story of India vs Nigeria 99-1 Do you know how many people believed it? If not for enlightenment it would have become Gospel truth.

Depending on the side of the country you grow up in, Some believed it was Segun Odegbami, Some believed it was Okwaraji who was one of the actors in that "match"

Obviously that story came from one source and was modified from mouth to mouth till it almost became true

Wow... I understand your point and your example about Nigeria vs India (also leading to the death of Sam Okwaraji) would certainly be a Gospel "Truth" if not for Google and digital information.

But come to think of it... It is believed that Bible was written by Men inspired by God, and not just any man itself. Example, the first 4 books of the bible was written by Moses and compiled who was inspired by God himself. If most are inspired by God, then that tells you the accuracy it might have and not just some men just taking it upon themselves to write things up. While I agree that some words maybe lost due to passing down to different hands, the accuracy won't be that far off.

Neobulletzz:

Baba abeg some of us no know the Wetin all these things mean literally, so what exactly do they mean by all these since you said they are transliterated??

Just check my post history on this thread.

You can still research about these things. Just don't limit yourself to what your pastor tells you. He might just be as theologically ignorant as the people he's heading and herding.

There are some pastors I've listened to who at least try to explain these things but I don't want to start a denominational tussle. I don't believe in denominational segregation in Christendom anyway.

raumdeuter:


Boateng was marking Drogba before Lampard set up a defensive pick for him. It's a tactic common where another player blocks the path of the marker and allows one player to get free

It was the same thing Muller did for Alba to allow Robben to score vs Barcelona in 2013 semis

Are you ok? Below gif clearly shows how your useless Boathand lost Drogba before Lampard came into the picture. In fact the calamitous Boathand helped Drogba to attack the ball by pushing him.

Be responsible for once Dayo.

DissTroy:


I just explained some passages to you. Just because your theological knowledge is limited by the tutelage of your "Daddy-in-the-Lord" who selectively reads out transliterated Bible passages from the KJV Bible to you doesn't mean others do not go beyond that.

You can dig up original text, some which have been translated by scholars of ancient Aramaic and Hebrew directly into English, not the commissioned 66 books made to fit with the propaganda of some pagan emperor.

I even went the extra mile to explain using a major Nigerian language how intended meanings get lost in translation-albeit-transliteration.

I did not write the scriptures - no one man did. I just study and go beyond "My Papa said". Screw it, I've not had any 'Papa-in-the-Lord' for years now, and it coincided with me digging up truth for myself.

This debate picked up when I asked if you can prove God's existence logically without quoting the scriptures. Most 'My dadd-in-the-Lord' said wouldn't even dare to but ask you to believe blindly.

Wait...Didn't your 66 books say something about the truth being hidden from men but they shall find it if they seek it? - if they consciously search?

Like i asked before what's the difference between you and those pastors who interpret the bible to suit their own understanding? What makes you right and them wrong? The truth you digged up can you backed them up with facts too?

Can you prove Eve didn't talk to an actual serpent with facts? What makes your interpretation right and others wrong?

DissTroy:



Transliteration isn't always wrong. "I am a man" is literally "I am a man" in any language.

"Fruit of the womb" is where you have to be careful not to transliterate.


If transliterations, figures of speeches and biblical analogies are that easy to spot by everyone, they should know the following:

1. 7 days of creation is not Monday to Sunday;

2. Eve did not talk to a literal serpent;

3. The Garden of Eden is a not a physical place but man's spiritual state with God;

4. The forbidden fruit is not a literal fruit.

And don't get me started on the 66 books. That's another topic.

The point is, most people take these things literally mostly because their equally innocent "Daddies-in-the-Lord" do not even know better.

They just 'kabash' and hope the 'grace' of God is sufficient to cover ignorance.

Hmmmm...
in any of your spare time can you please explain those bolded for me? I would want to learn, even if it's a dead thread so as not to derail here

I will really appreciate that

Greatihex:
Remember, swiz123 was watching him. So, when did he unwrap the paper to know what he wrote on it and crammed it to produce it even with spelling?

I think maybe they blew a substance on swiz123 to make him lose consciousness while they did the whole stuff and woke him up to tell him the thing.
Or
They had camera in his room.

I did this thing myself, I only miss the first name....but the rest I get correctly

Not too good at explaining stuff, but it's surely a trick

Emmynator:


Guy, just come out clean.

If you don't believe in Jesus' birth, then you deny his diety, and if you deny it, then you deny what makes you a Christian. The Bible states that the belief in the birth, death and burial of Jesus is the gospel, and thus what makes a person considered a Christian. If you don't believe the gospel, you are no different from an agnostic or athiest.

Christianity is based on these principles, if you dont believe it, then dont bother yourself.

No be you go tell me the kind of of Christian wey I go be.