willybaby:
thank you for this.. some nairaland keyboard generals think the defense industry/ warfare is like a video game truly

abeg no kill me with laugh

Some of you generals quick to criticize and insult, I don't see you praising the nation's for our little wins, eg our rail now works, military wise this means huge number of troops can now be mobilised and moved to parts of the nation easily, do you think d government/ military dosent know this before designing the rails, we have new civilian airports being built and upgraded this means worsts come to worst the airforce can use them, Nigeria is now a defence exporter PROFORCE ARA MRAP is being fielded on various battle fields on the continent, and much more,

we lose some battles yea, but have we lost the war no, will we win the war definitely Yes..

ugo4u:
It's either he was hit meaning he was flying too low(which is unlikely since it was a night operation) or the Aircraft itself developed a technical fault midair(most likely). It's high time we ground or phase out the Alpha jets or use them & do trade by barter with any country that will give us infantry hardwares or spare parts etc. We kuku no get pass two currently that are operational, the JF 17s & the Tucanos will fill the void.

I'm still a fan of the Alpha Jets; 'so much combat history in those platform, but maybe it's time we consider the Yak-130/Armechi M-346 as possible replacements.

Off topic, make una use this one calm down

Nemesis4you, do you know these guys?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Y1rXzcAyQ

ocelot2006:


I'm still a fan of the Alpha Jets; 'so much combat history in those platform, but maybe it's time we consider the Yak-130/Armechi M-346 as possible replacements.

your definitely right, but still kudos to the Nigerian Airforce for turning the alpha jets to a monster, they practically made the alpha a super Alpha
Armechi M346 this baby needs to have NAF painted on its tail

GabrielYulaw:
I better wade in here. Did we overpay for the Tucanos? Yes. Are they what's needed right now? No.

Better kits and equipment, plus improved troop welfare and masses of heavy weaponry would have been mote optimal. Buying 10 tanks from china today, 6 tanks from Ukraine tomorrow and some MRAPS from Proforce next month simply doesn't cut it in my humble opinion.

Sincerely, Nigeria is a country that never lacks for money. What we do best is throwing money at problems hoping it will just go away. Deeper examination of what we are facing and possible solutions never seems to occur to us.

So, the latest estimate has it that over 350k people have been killed in this war so far and frankly the future does not inspire me with confidence. From Boko Haram we have gone to ISWAP and now Bandits and Fulani herdsmen are all over the place, killing without limits and having fun.

How many of you here can confidently travel from one state to the other without killing a ram and asking for the blessing of the almighty? This country is fvcked. If you can't see that then you have a massive problem.

Now, say you have a very deadly insurgency in your country and have $600 million to buy the kind of arms that will bring the war to a very speedy and satisfactory conclusion, what do you do with that kind of money?

I don't know about you, but there's simply no way in hell I'm gonna use that money to buy a dozen turboprops. I don't care if the planes in question came with a million free rounds of ammo, rockets and sensors. I don't care if Thanos himself put them together.

What you guys seem to be forgetting here is that the North and everywhere else seeing unrest and killings is a very large place. I seriously doubt that even a hundred Tucanos would be enough to provide adequate coverage, not forgetting that not all the planes bought will be airworthy at the same time.

If I had $600 million and was told to go and shop for war-ending weapons, I would take like $200 million, go to eastern Europe or Russia and buy or beg for around 500 old tanks, from T-62s up, plus IFVs. These can be speedily modernized and the tanks turned into heavy IFVs that no bandit or ISWAP can touch without using heavy anti tank missiles like the Kornet.

I still have $400 million, right? With $200 million I can buy hundreds of heavy artillery and long range MLRS from Russia, Turkey and China. Some of these MLRS will exceed 200km in range. The normal range of any arty on my shopping list should be at least 30km with standard ammo, and double that with RAP.

Then with the remainder of the funds I will buy as many MALE drones as I can. Mainly from China, but the reliability of their aircraft is doubtful.

So, what will I use all these I bought at mammy market to do? It's simple. The IFVs are there to ensure our troops are safer while moving around. The heavy artillery and rocket launchers are there to engage the enemy wherever they can be found, day or night. We don't need manned aircraft for that. What's needed is to establish bases mainly in the northeast and near our borders that are like 30-50km from each other, all equipped with heavy artillery and mutually supporting.

The drones I bought should be in the air 24/7 and concerns about their data transmission capacity can be remedied by buying satellite bandwidth or launching our own satellite. What this means is of course that with drones covering most bandit and ISWAP-heavy areas, there's no way they can pop up without being immediately targeted with arty or rocket fire, with eyes in the sky making sure the munitions raining down are going where they are supposed to. And all without any putting any troops in danger.

My apologies if the above sounds like daydreaming or science fiction, but it does appear feasible and something I would do if I was given $600 million to buy weapons that will change this war for the better. Not even twenty F-22 Raptors a can win this war for us, let alone a dozen Tucanos, unless these turboprops are carrying atomic weapons, as Joscofelix might say

I think you need to learn more about asymmetric warfare. Your idea is more of conventional warfare type

Estimated 350k people have died from the war as a result of indirect actions(hunger, disease etc) and not killed.

Abeg Who dey sell balli(roasted plantain)

If I have 600mil in my account what will I buy with it to persecute this insurgency war.
I would buy super tucano just the same way the air Force bought it.
They army are trying to get their hands on funds and are expecting equipment to come in early not long duration,that is why some of us assume that they are buying piecemeal

Spilt Milk Tears Entertainment Ltd.


The Tucanos are coming to their owners

Odunayaw:
Spilt Milk Tears Entertainment Ltd.


The Tucanos are coming to their owners

Salatavor:
Terrorists will die and airmen will die too. Does it even matter to you at all... F#cking scum. Do you know how much it costs and how many years it takes to train an airman, the family and all concerned?

You want to strap people up and put them in a noisy low flying [b]turboprop jet [/b]in an AAA laden environment with the believe that terrorist will die. Is that what you call chances?

YES he has a right to speak out here, this is a mil forum isn't it? He has every right to speak his mind about the ills of the military without painting it in shining colors if he wish.

The tucanos will kill terrorists, it will kill airmen and it will probably kill innocent people when it starts dropping from the sky. This is a Kamikaze project.

That's where I stopped reading..... turboprop jet??

Smh

Salatavor:
I nor dey follow crowd I nor be sheep. Dey do moo moo dey follow everybody because I dey fear criticism. Na. You are sheep, probably a ram no, no you can't be a ram, cus you are always getting bleeped by the government. You must be a female sheep, a b#tch sheep.

In the spirit of Sallah, a female sheep or ram is called an ewe.

Just seizing the chance to share knowledge #peace

Due to the lack of bad news this days some people are on a low key, while the rest are on the offensive insulting our inbound planes because they know pass military hyrachy,

anyway as for me my only prayers is NAF goes back to the days of the immediate past air chief AVM Sadique Abubakar when strike footages was reported daily, a joyful site to behold when precision guided bombs shot from a super Tucano from kilometres away fly sweetly and take out targets who never saw it coming with pin point accuracy

RiceProducers:


This is a lot of falsehood and it is based on ignorance and stupid Nigerian culture of commoditizing procurement.

Nigeria paid money for hardware + facilities + training + weapons + lifecycle support.
There are other service elements like weapons integration works.
Inside the money earmarked for the programme which I am sure is still remaining a tidy sum, your legislators sponsored themselves to inspect the aircraft.
I am sure there are still sums remaining for more advanced training for the maintenance crews.

If you don't know stuff, you ask questions instead of adding up aircraft numbers and units of weapons with a calculator like some Iboman buying tiles gor his next building.

You are making a case for drones BUT why are people so amateurish about these things.
Is it PS5 and Xbox mentality carried so far.
Drones are useful but their deployments for impacting the battlefields require some rejigging + it will take some time to get the right density in terms of numbers for them to be impactful like manned aircraft.
A drone can also drop a maximum of 300kg of ordnance say. How is that going to impact significantly against an enemy hiding under trees or inside caves in a very widely dispersed pattern AND an enemy that is always hiding ...period.
The Turkish drones that did so well against Armenia were operating in open terrain with minimum of vegetation and bush cover. They were also only effective against an attacking enemy

Reread my post again please. I never advocated for the drones to be armed. They are there strictly to provide battlefield surveillance and enable accurate weapon targeting launched from our military bases.

I still maintain we overpaid for what we are getting and that it's not the game changer required.

youghs:


I think you need to learn more about asymmetric warfare. Your idea is more of conventional warfare type

Estimated 350k people have died from the war as a result of indirect actions(hunger, disease etc) and not killed.

And that invalidates what I said or was saying?

GabrielYulaw:


Reread my post again please. I never advocated for the drones to be armed. They are there strictly to provide battlefield surveillance and enable accurate weapon targeting launched from our military bases.

I still maintain we overpaid for what we are getting and that it's not the game changer required.

The Game changer remains for the military to improve on its intelligence and conduct a massive operation.

If we ain’t ready to ride into the enemy’s territory then we ain’t ready Yet.

DaddyGoo:


That's where I stopped reading..... turboprop jet??

Smh

You stopped reading because reading is not your thing. You should know enough to know that's a mistake. Someone that knows enough to call the aircraft turboprop knows the difference between jet engine and turboprop. But you decided to use that escuse to further your long running family tradition of not reading and illiteracy. What good thing did you think will ever come out of your calling me out? Idiot is telling me female sheep is ewe. Ode where you expecting a female sheep to be called b#tch sheep before? Just dey nitpick my comment for grammatical errors. Ode.

SamuelAnyawu:


The Game changer remains for the military to improve on its intelligence and conduct a massive operation.

If we ain’t ready to ride into the enemy’s territory then we ain’t ready Yet.

Period!!! Guy God bless you..
Abeg any update.
Pls brief me on the attacks that udiusua occurs in your Side

willybaby:
Due to the lack of bad news this days some people are on a low key, while the rest are on the offensive insulting our inbound planes because they know pass military hyrachy,

anyway as for me my only prayers is NAF goes back to the days of the immediate past air chief AVM Sadique Abubakar when strike footages was reported daily, a joyful site to behold when precision guided bombs shot from a super Tucano from kilometres away fly sweetly and take out targets who never saw it coming with pin point accuracy

dude they will see it coming. The terrorist that saw alpha jet coming and shot it down will see your noisy turboprop coming from 10 miles away.

GabrielYulaw:


And that invalidates what I said or was saying?

Clearly,
1.Is BH haram a conventional force.
2. Were 350k killed by terrorists..
Answers to these will provide answers to ur question

SamuelAnyawu:


The Game changer remains for the military to improve on its intelligence and conduct a massive operation.

If we ain’t ready to ride into the enemy’s territory then we ain’t ready Yet.

if we didn't ride into the enemies territory then how did sambisa camp zero fall, we don't ride into there territories and iswap has been pushed out of Nigerian territories into the lake chad basin area where they only come out to hit soft targets and run back into

Salatavor:
You stopped reading because reading is not your thing. You should know enough to know that's a mistake. Someone that knows enough to call the aircraft turboprop knows the difference between jet engine and turboprop. But you decided to use that escuse to further your long running family tradition of not reading and illiteracy. What good thing did you think will ever come out of your calling me out? Idiot is telling me female sheep is ewe. Ode where you expecting a female sheep to be called b#tch sheep before? Just dey nitpick my comment for grammatical errors. Ode.

Bros, your education and civilization levels are clearly not so great.

Mine aren't the highest, but definitely I'm not at this your market level of flinging unnecessary insults!

With all due respect sir, turboprop and jet are two different types of propulsion plant.

And if you truly knew a female sheep is called an ewe, why did you wait for my correction to use the word ewe?

You and this your I too know behavior remind me of our local journalists that refer to Tucano turboprop airplanes as fighter jets and Mi35 attack helicopters as attack aeroplanes.

This is probably down to poor research from them, or stubborn I too know as you are currently displaying.

I normally won't engage an obvious ITK like yourself, but Sallah don give me time...........if you like continue in your myopic ways, if you like take correction and improve yourself.

Na your effin business.

GeneralFarouq:

Clearly,
1.Is BH haram a conventional force.
2. Were 350k killed by terrorists..
Answers to these will provide answers to ur question

So,if I cut your hamstrings and leave you to d1e in a waterless desert did I kill you or not? It doesn't matter if Boko Haram did or did not directly kill all 350k people, but that it provided the enabling environment for them to gruesomely die.

As for your number 1, I think it's time you go into sambisa forest and ask the Boko boys why they are appointing governors for locales and levying taxes like a government. How dare they!!! Have they forgotten they should be doing hit and run rather than seizing, holding ground and ruling over a populace? Do let them know this kind of outrage will not be tolerated.

"I didn't know a propeller could feel like a jet...the A-29 Super Tucano reminds of the F-16...It gives you an F-16 type performance..!"
- General Chuck Wald, Veteran US Air Force


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfQHcA7JKMo

DaddyGoo:


That's where I stopped reading..... turboprop jet??

Smh

Ignoramuses know nothing shouldn't be dignified with a response. They are a shame.

The propeller of the A-29 Super Tucano is the aircrafts advantage for sustained ISR, armed overwatch and loiter-combat-patrol over the vicinity of interest. It can stay close to the fight, take off and land from austere air strips even roads, it can power up speed if need be and most of all stay out of the reach of AA guns by flying at high altitudes from which it can see with eagles eyes via sensors to pick a rabbit on the ground and hit with fire & forget precision.

It is a 21st century 4th gen. aircraft and one way experts simply describes the aircraft with its stall speed, avionics, sensors and weapon systems is "a very deadly beast in the air".

NAF A-29 SUPER TUCANO inbound @Prestwick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t511iZAm_IU

DaddyGoo:


Bros, your education and civilization levels are clearly not so great.

Mine aren't the highest, but definitely I'm not at this your market level of flinging unnecessary insults!

With all due respect sir, turboprop and jet are two different types of propulsion plant.

And if you truly knew a female sheep is called an ewe, why did you wait for my correction to use the word ewe?

You and this your I too know behavior remind me of our local journalists that refer to Tucano turboprop airplanes as fighter jets and Mi35 attack helicopters as attack aeroplanes.

This is probably down to poor research from them, or stubborn I too know as you are currently displaying.

I normally won't engage an obvious ITK like yourself, but Sallah don give me time...........if you like continue in your myopic ways, if you like take correction and improve yourself.

Na your effin business.

in this world of Google na him you dey boast of these Useles knowledge. There is weakness within you.

1. 2021 Supplementary Budget Details

Recall the FG is going to borrow Over N800Billion for 2021 supplementary budget which Security agencies would get ~N722Billion for capital expenditure.

Sha here are the best snippets

Army
Vehicle Requirement 48,670,100,000
Defence equipment N96 Billion

Navy
Arms and Ammo Requirement N36B
Purchase of equipment N34Billion and Medium term equipment N21B

Overall the Navy is going to spend N157Billion without mentioning any specific purchase (e.g ships)

Airforce

Additional aircraft N140Billion
Other equipment N84B

However, if we add these two items we get N224Billion, in US dollars using CBN exchange rate of 410 that is $546.3 Million. So that is some serious money. Excluding the Tucanos, i can't remember Airforce spending such amount at once.

Overall the airforce is spending N239Billion


2. Super Tucanos may be delivered tomorrow, in fact it would be according to the Americans . Around May 7th The Perm Sec Defence said below, and it is on its way so i think the Schedule they gave is on track.


"We paid $496millon to the American government and it is getting to three years now, the Super Tucanos are yet to arrive. Last week, we received an email that it will come by 21st of July" -

^^ So in the next 24 hours it should be in Nigeria
We can only hope the Chiefs would tackle some fundamental problems that has been recurrent in this war for years which the Super Tucano cannot solve.

xterra2:
1. 2021 Supplementary Budget Details

Recall the FG is going to borrow Over N800Billion for 2021 supplementary budget which Security agencies would get ~N722Billion for capital expenditure.

Sha here are the best snippets

Army
Vehicle Requirement 48,670,100,000
Defence equipment N96 Billion

Navy
Arms and Ammo Requirement N36B
Purchase of equipment N34Billion and Medium term equipment N21B

Overall the Navy is going to spend N157Billion without mentioning any specific purchase (e.g ships)

Airforce

Additional aircraft N140Billion
Other equipment N84B

However, if we add these two items we get N224Billion, in US dollars using CBN exchange rate of 410 that is $546.3 Million. So that is some serious money. Excluding the Tucanos, i can't remember Airforce spending such amount at once.

Overall the airforce is spending N239Billion


2. Super Tucanos may be delivered tomorrow, in fact it would be according to the Americans . Around May 7th The Perm Sec Defence said below, and it is on its way so i think the Schedule they gave is on track.


"We paid $496millon to the American government and it is getting to three years now, the Super Tucanos are yet to arrive. Last week, we received an email that it will come by 21st of July" -

^^ So in the next 24 hours it should be in Nigeria
We can only hope the Chiefs would tackle some fundamental problems that has been recurrent in this war for years which the Super Tucano cannot solve.

Thanks for this info.
Honestly the federal government and the execute arm should be stringent on how the military chiefs are going to spend the money.
They should be detailed, nor just these type of overall summary. We should know where all these Billions are going

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfWi2NdIvSY

xterra2:
1. 2021 Supplementary Budget Details

Recall the FG is going to borrow Over N800Billion for 2021 supplementary budget which Security agencies would get ~N722Billion for capital expenditure.

Sha here are the best snippets

Army
Vehicle Requirement 48,670,100,000
Defence equipment N96 Billion

Navy
Arms and Ammo Requirement N36B
Purchase of equipment N34Billion and Medium term equipment N21B

Overall the Navy is going to spend N157Billion without mentioning any specific purchase (e.g ships)

Airforce

Additional aircraft N140Billion
Other equipment N84B

However, if we add these two items we get N224Billion, in US dollars using CBN exchange rate of 410 that is $546.3 Million. So that is some serious money. Excluding the Tucanos, i can't remember Airforce spending such amount at once.

Overall the airforce is spending N239Billion


2. Super Tucanos may be delivered tomorrow, in fact it would be according to the Americans . Around May 7th The Perm Sec Defence said below, and it is on its way so i think the Schedule they gave is on track.


"We paid $496millon to the American government and it is getting to three years now, the Super Tucanos are yet to arrive. Last week, we received an email that it will come by 21st of July" -

^^ So in the next 24 hours it should be in Nigeria
We can only hope the Chiefs would tackle some fundamental problems that has been recurrent in this war for years which the Super Tucano cannot solve.

God bless you for getting this document. I scoured the budget office website for weeks looking for it

What "recurrent problems"?

You see the "additional aircraft requirements "?. That's at least probably to bring JF17 up to squadron level numbers.

Salatavor:
in this world of Google na him you dey boast of these Useles knowledge. There is weakness within you.

And the Google world was built, and is being continually developed by illiterates like yourself ba?


Uncle strong man, aka no weakness or brain, remember the pen is ALWAYS mightier than the sword.

All wars are started and ended with pen strokes.

The bullets come before or after!

The A-29 Super Tucano is armed with weapons that can take out a single individual, take out a moving vehicle or destroy with precision an improvised hideout from stand off distances.

In short the Nigerian Air Force inbound A-29 Super Tucano aircraft can shoot through a marked window of the enemies house with minimum collateral damage hitting its target.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhazfkVSrDk