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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by PerfectlyPerfect(m): 10:17pm On Jul 20, 2021
Simeonjoe1:


I believe the US THAAD and SM 3 are catching up. Though s400 seems more badass to me, but they can be vulnerable to stealth attack.
The truth is that the "Stealth" technology isn't really as amazing as the military makes it seem. Stealth technology is basically use of flat surfaces to make radar signals bounce off the surface instead of the signals returning to the radar receiver.
The S400 has already proven several times to have the ability to track radar aircraft, though the US media did a great job at down-playing this.
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27374/Turkey_s_S_400_Air_Defense_System_May_Have_Tracked_US_F_35_and_F_22#.YPc830wo-3A
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by socialmediaman: 10:17pm On Jul 20, 2021
PerfectlyPerfect:

Hypersonic systems just need to move at x5 of the speed of sound. The US systems moves at that speed. The Russian system moves at X7 the speed of sound, it'll easily out-pace the US system. It's also maneuverable in-flight and that gives it great tactical advantage in evading anti-missile systems

I get your point, but I am reading the counter arguments as well which make sense as to why they are hyped. Some people think these are prototypes meant to attract market from some countries, but will be less effective for countries like the US

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:18pm On Jul 20, 2021
socialmediaman:


There are arguments that at the speed they operate, trying to control them to avoid defense systems would send them off target by hundreds of meters at the slightest change of direction especially when they are close. Also at that speed, they tend to lose their detection guide against defense systems.
Yeah that very true. That's why I'm still doubting China and Russia claim of developing an operational variant. You see it's one thing to get an object to fly at hypersonic speed, it's another thing to direct them accurately to a station target (near impossible moving target), I don't believe Russian and China possess this capability yet. The US has also tested hypersonic missile flight successfully but they are yet to test it on a target which is actually very hard to do (this is where China and Russia are leading believing their claims are true).
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Donaluta(m): 10:18pm On Jul 20, 2021
Story. .. America go still counter the effect of the missile.. nothing weh no get solution.
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Kingsleyphy(m): 10:18pm On Jul 20, 2021
engrchykae:
leave them,pale looking demons.
A whole Nation will dedicate scarce resources just to make weapons.
That's to show you that the whiteman is mad

When u are surrounded by enemies all you can do is to build weapons and more weapons if not you're gone
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Nobody: 10:18pm On Jul 20, 2021
HolinessForever:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BecHPn4y3AA

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15629040/russia-successfully-tests-putins-hypersonic-missile-evading-western-defences/amp/

The big five nations are allowed to make war weapon without being sanctioned. If it were Iran, North Korea or any of the African countries, US and UK would have come for them . Now it's Russia so everyone is quiet
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by FarahAideed: 10:19pm On Jul 20, 2021
walozanga:


Make we begin dey cry? grin

No ..just learn

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by walozanga(m): 10:21pm On Jul 20, 2021
FarahAideed:


No ..just learn
.

Ok... U try

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by PerfectlyPerfect(m): 10:21pm On Jul 20, 2021
socialmediaman:


I get your point, but I am reading the counter arguments as well which make sense as to why they are hyped. Some people think these are prototypes meant to attract market from some countries, but will be less effective for countries like the US
I understand. Every country needs to hype their systems in order to get buyers. The US did same with their f-35, they claimed they evade all anti-aicraft systems but in the Syrian war, the Russians showed that the s400 systems tracked several F-35 and F-15 and could've shot them down. The US media had to go on over-drive to downplay this fact. The truth is that war is business. Big business, and the US' economy has war as one of its highest income earners

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by socialmediaman: 10:22pm On Jul 20, 2021
Originalsly:


Note... most of what is written here is theory.... similar to COVID19 vaccines that were authorized based on theory. Russia has been doing practicals.... they know better. I believe they are more battle ready and have better weaponry that the U.S. China too.... but they never talk. They must give warnings ... and follow through. Why is the US so often declare it has the right to sail or fly in a particular area but always back down when confronted by China or Russia? It couldn't be for the sake of peace.

There is a school of thought that agrees with you but thinks they want to use the prototypes to attract market from some countries. But in terms of effective against the US, there is doubt based on articles I have read. There are issues with the hypersonics at the speed they operate. Like you said, common sense tells me when you drive a car so fast, you have less control to evade obstacles, or being targeted by defense systems in this case

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by engrchykae(m): 10:23pm On Jul 20, 2021
FarahAideed:


Why won't I believe when aircraft have been flying 5 times the speed of sound since 1950s
do you understand science?
It's NEVER POSSIBLE
white people can hype things but black people must not believe foolishly.
As long as the jet engine must undergo air intake
Mixing with aviation fuel
Combustion
And finally thrusting out jets of hot exhaust.
The machine can't be faster than sound.
Anyway White people didn't learn properly before burning African libraries
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by ezugegere(m): 10:25pm On Jul 20, 2021
ProudBornoBoy:
Can they drop just one in Sambisa and environ

You men Aso Rock?
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Nobody: 10:26pm On Jul 20, 2021
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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by emae009(m): 10:26pm On Jul 20, 2021
Simeonjoe1:
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ICBM has a predictable path of travel so it's easier to intercept them during their second phase that's why during their re-entry (terminal phase) its hard to intercept them.
Hypersonic missile travel within the atmosphere, meaning lesser detection time and difficulty in intercept due to their maneuver and unpredictable pathway. Mind you missile defense interceptors also travel at hypersonic speed to intercept warhead at space but within the atmosphere they travel at Mach 3+. So there'll be outrun by hypersonic missiles

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by engrchykae(m): 10:29pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kingsleyphy:


When u are surrounded by enemies all you can do is to build weapons and more weapons if not you're gone
There ain't any enemies.
These people just create artificial enemies so that war business will boom
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:29pm On Jul 20, 2021
PerfectlyPerfect:

The truth is that the "Stealth" technology isn't really as amazing as the military makes it seem. Stealth technology is basically use of flat surfaces to make radar signals bounce off the surface instead of the signals returning to the radar receiver.
The S400 has already proven several times to have the ability to track radar aircraft, though the US media did a great job at down-playing this.
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27374/Turkey_s_S_400_Air_Defense_System_May_Have_Tracked_US_F_35_and_F_22#.YPc830wo-3A

Well I believe that even stealth plane is not completely invisible to the Rader, they only reduced detection range to the bare minimum at a point they can strike you with standoff missile without you noticing them. The thing is you can still counter that by creating a network node of rader system scattered over the battle field but networked together this can help track and pin point the location of stealth plane for interception. Here is where it's get interesting. The US latest F35 is meant to defeat this threat it has a powerful onboard electronic system and counter measures that it can use to detect multiple rader emitting nodes hundreds of miles away and can tell exactly the kind of anti missiles system and the effective loaded weapon to use against them. It's also have effective rader jamming system and other counter measure, Infact it's built for attacking enemy anti aircraft systems like s300 and s400.
On a one and one situation the s400 is vulnerable to stealth attack but in reality it won't be one on one cause the battle space will be complex with different rader nodes and other surveillance systems which can make stealth fighter vulnerable.
I think recently, the Isreal F35 take out some Syrian air defense systems ( some latest Russian model including the s300) in air strike

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by NewDelhi(m): 10:30pm On Jul 20, 2021
socialmediaman:


Possibly True. The zircon can be taken out by systems currently in place. The only problem they pose is that they close in faster, giving you less time to target them, so all you need do is extend your radar detection and get them faster as well
You hear something is hypersonic and can travel as fast as 9,000 km/h yet you're saying this
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by socialmediaman: 10:31pm On Jul 20, 2021
NewDelhi:

You hear something is hypersonic and can travel as fast as 9,000 km/h yet you're saying this

check my arguments on this topic with other people.
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Francashy(m): 10:31pm On Jul 20, 2021
UncleHaba22:
Make USA and Russia or China play friendly match fes make we see

gringrin
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by ugodson(m): 10:31pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kandeed:
Why waste money on things you would not one day get to use undecided. ion blame them tho he's prolly following the Roman adage that says "Si vis pacem para bellum" which means prepare for war if you wanna live in peace.

Bro is called bragging rights. And putting fear to countries that want to intimidate them and also for protection.
It I pray they won't use them
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by FarahAideed: 10:34pm On Jul 20, 2021
engrchykae:
do you understand science?
It's NEVER POSSIBLE
white people can hype things but black people must not believe foolishly.
As long as the jet engine must undergo air intake
Mixing with aviation fuel
Combustion
And finally thrusting out jets of hot exhaust.
The machine can't be faster than sound.
Anyway White people didn't learn properly before burning African libraries

I usually don't argue with anyone with an IQ below 120 but I will make any exception so you can learn

First of all no jet engine has ever been used to achieve Mach 5 ( 5 times the speed of sound ) the fastest jet ever was the SR 71 blackbird (my favorite aircraft of all time ) it was powered by dual J58 Pratt & whitney jet engine that could only get the aircraft to Mach 3 ( 3 times the speed of sound )

To achieve Mach 5 and above you don't use a jet engine but a ROCKET ( I hope you know the difference or should I break it down still)

Well rockets don't need air for combustion , they used specially mixed fuels called " propellants " that can combust even in the absence of air ... I don't need a soothsayer to tell me this new Russian missile is powered by a rocket

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by emae009(m): 10:34pm On Jul 20, 2021
Simeonjoe1:
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ICBM has a predictable path of travel so it's easier to intercept them during their second phase that's why during their re-entry (terminal phase) its hard to intercept them.
Hypersonic missile travel within the atmosphere, meaning lesser detection time and difficulty in intercept due to their maneuver and unpredictable pathway. Mind you missile defense interceptors also travel at hypersonic speed to intercept warhead at space but within the atmosphere they travel at Mach 3+. So there'll be outrun by hypersonic missiles

The THAAD intercept in space, the Aegis Defense system intercept either during initial phase or on re-entry with hard to kill vehicle meaning it has to hit the warhead at the tip using it kinetic energy to force it to explode and it has been successfully tested.
Hypersonic missiles give similar signature as ballistic missile when fired. It's easy to detect it once fired but their speed gives you less reaction time.
The US has spent the last two years sending upgraded satellite to space, improving it NORAD and finally stationing a missile detection and defense system in Poland all in preparation for such scenarios.
Missile maneuverability doesn't mean it performs stunt in the air just a change of movement in their final phase. It can be track and intercepted but time is less.
Tomahawk does the same maneuverability (a.k.a terrain hugging / sea hugging)

P.S: I'm not downgrading the capability of the Zircon, before they come for me. I'm just saying it's common sense that Russia that spent money to develop the missile won't come out to say, it's hypersonic but the West can intercept it. Europe will tell you the meteor is the best Air to Air, America will tell you the sidewinder is. India will tell you Brahmos is the best. China will tell you theirs is. It's all about selling your product. Once they come out with a pitch like "No missile defense system can intercept", countries like Algeria, Egypt, Turkey and the rest will be interested. That's how the defense industry make their money
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:35pm On Jul 20, 2021
emae009:


The THAAD intercept in space, the Aegis Defense system intercept either during initial phase or on re-entry with hard to kill vehicle meaning it has to hit the warhead at the tip using it kinetic energy to force it to explode and it has been successfully tested.
Hypersonic missiles give similar signature as ballistic missile when fired. It's easy to detect it once fired but their speed gives you less reaction time.
The US has spent the last two years sending upgraded satellite to space, improving it NORAD and finally stationing a missile detection and defense system in Poland all in preparation for such scenarios.
Missile maneuverability doesn't mean it performs stunt in the air just a change of movement in their final phase. It can be track and intercepted but time is less.
Tomahawk does the same maneuverability (a.k.a terrain hugging / sea hugging)
Yeah but intercepting a hypersonic missile within the earth atmosphere is still a problem.
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by emae009(m): 10:38pm On Jul 20, 2021
Simeonjoe1:

Yeah but intercepting a hypersonic missile within the earth atmosphere is still a problem.

the comment wasn't complete. The next one is.... It's more of a challenge than a problem
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:39pm On Jul 20, 2021
FarahAideed:


I usually don't argue with anyone with an IQ below 120 but I will make any exception so you can learn

First of all no jet engine has ever been used to achieve Mach 5 ( 5 times the speed of sound ) the fastest jet ever was the SR 71 blackbird (my favorite aircraft of all time ) it was powered by dual J58 Pratt & whitney jet engine that could only get the aircraft to Mach 3 ( 3 times the speed of sound )

To achieve Mach 5 and above you don't use a jet engine but a ROCKET ( I hope you know the difference or should I break it down still)

Well don't need air for combustion , they used specially mixed fuels called " propellants " that can combust even in the absence of air ... I don't need a soothsayer to tell me this new Russian missile is powered by a rocket

Well the Era of ramjet is here, hypersonic airbreathing engines. Lol
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:41pm On Jul 20, 2021
emae009:


the comment wasn't complete. The next one is.... It's more of a challenge than a problem
.

Yeah true, but the thing is I doubt current hypersonic missile will have the accuracy to be effective (problems with guidance system). Like missing there target wayoff.
Also you can employ soft kill measures to counter them.

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Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by seunny4lif(m): 10:45pm On Jul 20, 2021
When did Israel take out S300?
S300 has never been used in Syria
The Russia military still don’t allow Syria military to use S300
Simeonjoe1:


Well I believe that even stealth plane is not completely invisible to the Rader, they only reduced detection range to the bare minimum at a point they can strike you with standoff missile without you noticing them. The thing is you can still counter that by creating a network node of rader system scattered over the battle field but networked together this can help track and pin point the location of stealth plane for interception. Here is where it's get interesting. The US latest F35 is meant to defeat this threat it has a powerful onboard electronic system and counter measures that it can use to detect multiple rader emitting nodes hundreds of miles away and can tell exactly the kind of anti missiles system and the effective loaded weapon to use against them. It's also have effective rader jamming system and other counter measure, Infact it's built for attacking enemy anti aircraft systems like s300 and s400.
On a one and one situation the s400 is vulnerable to stealth attack but in reality it won't be one on one cause the battle space will be complex with different rader nodes and other surveillance systems which can make stealth fighter vulnerable.
I think recently, the Isreal F35 take out some Syrian air defense systems ( some latest Russian model including the s300) in air strike
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by emae009(m): 10:48pm On Jul 20, 2021
PerfectlyPerfect:

I understand. Every country needs to hype their systems in order to get buyers. The US did same with their f-35, they claimed they evade all anti-aicraft systems but in the Syrian war, the Russians showed that the s400 systems tracked several F-35 and F-15 and could've shot them down. The US media had to go on over-drive to downplay this fact. The truth is that war is business. Big business, and the US' economy has war as one of its highest income earners


It's Israel that flew the F-35 in Syria. That's the first block of F-35 that left production line.
the S-400 that you keep hyping even in Russia isn't stationed alone because on its own, it has weaknesses. Why did Russia hastenly developed the S-500.
Something you should know, the Patriot and the S-400 aren't the same category. But you won't know that's why you compare them. The Patriot is one of the best SAM in the world for its category
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by AEWorks: 10:49pm On Jul 20, 2021
Simeonjoe1:

Yeah that very true. That's why I'm still doubting China and Russia claim of developing an operational variant. You see it's one thing to get an object to fly at hypersonic speed, it's another thing to direct them accurately to a station target (near impossible moving target), I don't believe Russian and China possess this capability yet. The US has also tested hypersonic missile flight successfully but they are yet to test it on a target which is actually very hard to do (this is where China and Russia are leading believing their claims are true).
Control is by AI, with servo motors. They tested that with their surface skimming missiles years ago.
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:49pm On Jul 20, 2021
seunny4lif:
When did Israel take out S300?
S300 has never been used in Syria
The Russia military still don’t allow Syria military to use S300
Or sorry. They didn't it was actually a targeting system photograph of the S300 showing its vulnerable to be stroke.
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:50pm On Jul 20, 2021
emae009:



It's Israel that flew the F-35 in Syria. That's the first block of F-35 that left production line.
the S-400 that you keep hyping even in Russia isn't stationed alone because on its own, it has weaknesses. Why did Russia hastenly developed the S-500.
Something you should know, the Patriot and the S-400 aren't the same category. But you won't know that's why you compare them. The Patriot is one of the best SAM in the world for its category

Nah not really I think s400 beats the patriot
Re: Russia Successfully Tests Putin's Hypersonic Missile (Photos, Video) by Simeonjoe1: 10:51pm On Jul 20, 2021
AEWorks:
Control is by AI, with servo motors. They tested that with their surface skimming missiles years ago.

Who tested what

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