jeff1607:


The east was like a no man's land with no heads, hence no true king in the east, before a king puts his neck on the line for a territory the land must have resources needed, just as the west was like a trade zone, they captured people who ventured into their own territory, you can't go into full war with a land with no true king. Just like the itsekiri lay claim to lands surrounded by water or if water is nearby

That's not true, the east had resources, dear. The palm oil trade was common those times, and it was high value, the rubber trade too, reddening clay creams (beauty products), pottery works, the rafia trade, most were from the east. Why do you think Igbo's are more accustomed to trade, and please don't tell me that nosense of Lebanese coming to take over Nigerian, and all that crap .

That said, the only reason the Bini had no dealings with the east, because it knew that one threat to its communities meant a threat to them all. So the Oba or Ogiso (whatever the title is) used diplomacy when coming forward to ask.

If it used war, then you'll see all Igbo people being United to fight against him. Like the Arochukwu war with the British and the rest. That's why the Oba was smart enough to stay on his side, and would only chip in, if there were wars in a community, like the Ekiti wars, and all.

It was all strategy at that time. And yes, our ancestors knew what was strategy, it wasn't gotten from Romans.

Dovegrey:
Your hatred to igbos will not reduce my account balance.
Keep hating while we keep progressing via drug business

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Does this translate to mean that the Igbankes, the Ikas, the Agbos, etc are slaves? Oh!!! And if you ask them, they will still tell you that they are not Igbo's. I sorry for them.

festacman:
Blessed are the Igbo people whose eyes first behold the RISING SUN in its joyous splendour every morning before it moves on for the day's journey?

Proudly Igbo. Proudly republican. Proudly enterprising. Proudly bullish and loud.

Reno Omokri should jump into orimmiri Ngene with his daydreaming slave master tales. I am not moved.

rising sun ko,ogbeni u were once slave to my forefather

Chris525:
[s]We are saying mostly the same thing. I cant tell who the portuguese met first but history has it they first landed in Lagos. They probably met the king their who is a descendants of the bini throne. I use the word ‘is’ because they are still the kings in Lagos. There has never been a shift since they took power in Lagos.[/s]

Which useless bini man is a king in Lagos? Getat!

History discuss that ends in the us vs them debate is always worthless and thats where this is headed. All of these happened years ago and hold no significance now but we must speak it as it is for proper understanding not to soothe any ego.

Even within the yoruba, all of you ondo/ekiti and even lagos are not really seen as proper yorubas. You have to travel to places like ibadan and kwara to understand this. Have you sat to ask yourself what is the reason. Food is an important part of culture, why is everyone of the same ethnic stuck dressed differently or eating differently. There are cogent reason for the mind that wants to learn. The complex contrast in your indigenous languages is also telling.

No one is trying to take anyone’s identity away. Even the great bini empire is now a minority now. Its just about understanding our past.

Komu1048:




That the Ekiti/ondo prefers Iyan to amala is not a yardstick. Which culture those Ekiti/Ondo have as resemblance to Bini? Rather we have the Yoruba speaking part of Edo, many culture of Edo and names have same semblance with Yoruba with Yoruba meaning. This is not only peculiar to Bini alone. Go to Kogi, Edo, Delta and Benue. There a lot of Yorubas migrant there. But you can say anything to feel at home. Edo have, will and can never match the yorubas anywhere.

HEAVEN4444:
preachhhhhhhhhhhhh so in essence the bini are yorubas with another name

The Binis royal house is half Yoruba + half Idu/Igodomigodo. That is just the fact.

Gbagura:
fixed

Better than havesting human skull

Oshokalo:
rising sun ko,ogbeni u were once slave to my forefather

Go to Onitsha and make that nonsense statement.... make them roast you like plantain ewu

Bini and Itshekiri that form only one State in Nigeria were so powerful that they sold Igbos that have so much number that is spread into and indigenous to about 9 State in Nigeria.

Walkee:
[s]ekiti was a colony of Benin just like Lagos and Ondo[/s]

Absolute thrash. Bini is smaller than the smallest Yoruba village.

ThickSharon123:


That's not true, the east had resources, dear. The palm oil trade was common those times, and it was high value, the rubber trade too, the rafia trade, most were from the east. Why do you think Igbo's are more accustomed to trade, and please don't tell me that nosense of Lebanese coming to take over Nigerian, and all that crap .

That said, the only reason the Bini had no dealings with the east, because it knew that one threat to its communities meant a threat to them all. So the Oba or Ogiso (whatever the title is) used diplomacy when coming forward to ask.

If it used war, then you'll see all Igbo people being United to fight against him. Like the Arochukwu war with the British and the rest. That's why the Oba was smart enough to stay on his side, and would only chip in, if there were wars in a community, like the Ekiti wars, and all.

It was all strategy at that time. And yes, our ancestors knew what was strategy, it wasn't gotten from Romans.

I think I would end this here, plz ask during the time of warring states the east as you know didn't have all these you mentioned, they only believed in the strength of the arm(you should understand this if you are into history)

Then again ask why they are called warrant chiefs not kings, trade was kolanug,gin and spices nuts etc. Know this and know peace, no one is greater than the other, it's just history nothing more.

Haha! Even the Oba of Lagos and all the ruling families knows they’re from bini. The oba of lagos had a clash with the ooni years ago and declared his allegiance is to the throne in Benin and not Ife.

Do a google search. Unless they have pulled it all down but anyone who was old enough then and abreast of the issues will confirm this here!

Emilokoiyawon:


Which useless bini man is a king in Lagos? Getat!

Chris525:

When you conquer an area, you don’t have to go into every of its towns and villages to do so. Once you attack and capture its seat of power, it’s considered that you have captured the whole area under the influence of that power.

It is for a reason that the Oba of Lagos is in Eko yet he is not called Oba of Eko but Oba of Lagos. But the Oba of badagry is called Oba of badagry not Oba of Lagos. Now do you get?

stop talking nonsense jare, someone with working brain will know that lagos island was former nigeria capital it is normal to glorify the oba with title of oba of lagos.
Mind you oba of lagos dont have any land in lagos island infact he is on borrowed land.

This is the fact but a lot of people from that area dont seem to like the idea, so lets rest it but it is what it is.

Walkee:
ekiti was a colony of Benin just like Lagos and Ondo

jeff1607:


I think I would end this here, plz ask during the time of warring states the east as you know didn't have all these you mentioned, they only believed in the strength of the arm(you should understand this if you are into history)

Then again ask why they are called warrant chiefs not kings, trade was kolanug,gin and spices nuts etc. Know this and know peace, no one is greater than the other, it's just history nothing more.

I didn't say that, munchkin...I didn't say anyone is greater than the other, for me I hate superiority or trying to claim absolute power over somebody.

What you stated here is post-colonial era, I'm talking of pre everything. What happened before this rift in the south. That's where I'm putting argument on.

I thought you wanted to discuss as an intellectual. Now I see you’re a complete idiot. Get lost.

OkoNDOoBo:
stop talking nonsense jare, someone with working brain will know that lagos island was former nigeria capital it is normal to glorify the oba with title of oba of lagos.
Mind you oba of lagos dont have any land in lagos island infact he is on borrowed land.

Chris525:

When you conquer an area, you don’t have to go into every of its towns and villages to do so. Once you attack and capture its seat of power, it’s considered that you have captured the whole area under the influence of that power.

It is for a reason that the Oba of Lagos is in Eko yet he is not called Oba of Eko but Oba of Lagos. But the Oba of badagry is called Oba of badagry not Oba of Lagos. Now do you get?

You are just half smart

It was Eko that the Portuguese named Lagos not Badagry

Eko is also Lagos, but coincidentally the name for the whole state is also Lagos

Chris525:
[s]Haha! Even the Oba of Lagos and all the ruling families knows they’re from bini. The oba of lagos had a clash with the ooni years ago and declared his allegiance is to the throne in Benin and not Ife. Do a google search. Unless they have pulled it all down but anyone who was old enough then and abreast of the issues will confirm this here![/s]

You are talking of Oba Lil Wayne? The oba some tiny part of Lagos. The guy that was handpicked by Tinubu? The day he comes out and claim his throne is bini is the day we will remove him and throw him inside the lagoon.

These things dont just happen. They have an origin. Any student of history understands this. That the whole world wear suit now doesn't mean it belongs or it came to everyone at the same time.

It has an origin!!!

Komu1048:




That the Ekiti/ondo prefers Iyan to amala is not a yardstick. Which culture those Ekiti/Ondo have as resemblance to Bini? Rather we have the Yoruba speaking part of Edo, many culture of Edo and names have same semblance with Yoruba with Yoruba meaning. This is not only peculiar to Bini alone. Go to Kogi, Edo, Delta and Benue, Benin republic n far Brazil etc. There a lot of Yorubas migrant there. But you can say anything to make you feel relevant. Edo have never, will and can never match the yorubas anywhere.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!

KingOdart:


You are just half smart

It was Eko that the Portuguese named Lagos not Badagry

Eko is also Lagos, but coincidentally the name for the whole state is also Lagos

Delary:
Does this translate to mean that the Igbankes, the Ikas, the Agbos, etc are slaves? Oh!!! And if you ask them, they will still tell you that they are not Igbo's. I sorry for them.

It is basically the Igbos that denied their Igbo origin that could have been slaves to Bini and Itshekiri.

If you remove him you still have to puck from the ruling family. All of them are brothers. You’ll only replace him with one of his brothers. That would be an effort in major futility.

Emilokoiyawon:


You are talking of Oba Lil Wayne? The oba some tiny part of Lagos. The guy that was handpicked by Tinubu? The day he comes out and claim his throne is bini is the day we will remove him and throw him inside the lagoon.

Is he referring to Igbanke?

Chris525:
If you remove him you still have to puck from the ruling family. All of them are brothers. You’ll only replace him with one of his brothers. That would be an effort in major futility.

And if they born the next one well he should also yarn the same nonsense and we will give him the same treatment.

Chris525:


Leave the Yoruba & focus on this one - Itsekiri. This is what the Britannaca had to say about the Itsekiri:

“The Itsekiri live on the coast in an area of extensive mangrove swamps and freshwater wetlands. ... Myths of origin establish that Ginuwa, the Itsekiri founder and first olu (king), was originally a prince of Benin, so that subsequent kings are descendants of the oba of Benin.”

If you please and wish to discuss, create a separate thread on the relationship between Edos & Yoruba. I’ll meet you there!

The Itsekiris oral traditions is very clear and straightforward in regards to their ancestral root. Of course no want is saying that Ginuwa a Prince from Binin was not the one that established the Olu of Warri. Even the title Olu points to the fact that there as at then, the Bini royal house strongly identified with their Ife ancestry until the time of Akenzua and Erediauwa that try to manipulate history because of the threat to his throne by the Idu/Igodomigodo who are the Aborigines of that land because they reminded Oba Erediauwa of the Ekiokpagha treaty they had aggred upon around the 12-13th centuries. Bellow is a picture of the treaty .

Starzo:
and Igbo people go still dey sharp mouth

Are you ok? Go and read history, most of the slaves sold by bini Empire ( the most powerful empire in West Africa as at that time) were either kidnapped or victims of pillage and plundering, Just like what bandits are doing today. They go to isolated villages, lay siege on it, burn it down and kidnap sellable souls remaining. They did this with the support of western powers across the entire southern region to other ethnic groups.
Just like he said, he is not proud of it.

ISRAELITES WERE SLAVES IN EGYPT FOR MANY CENTURIES, BUT TODAY WHO IS EGYPT WHERE ISRAEL DEY?

HEAR THIS, IGBOS ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM DOWN FOR LONG.

iSlayer:
This history most likely connects Ikwerre too. They are all Bini slaves from time.

somewhere deep inside Delta north close to Aniocha is the present day slave of Binis and itsekiri. They speak a language known as Olukumi a corrupt form of Yoruba like itsekiri speak today .

Reno has always been a fraud and a fugitive. Logic frowns at him as to how can an insignificant tribe like itsekiri that can't even occupy a single local government on Delta state male slave of a people of over 40 million.

Reno always looks for validity and acceptance by social media fuzz. The man is a wet pussy.

UDUJ:


You seriously need to be properly educated

https://www.edoworld.net/BENIN_PREHISRORY.html

You are daft you put a stupid page controlled by edoworld.net and expect historical truth that will not favour their narratives to be there . Go and read about what the Great historian Herodotus wrote about Ile Ife then you will know that Ile Ife gave birth to Benin Kingdom and Oyo empire.

Ogun kee you there

iSlayer:
I said it! I've always known this Ika people are slaves. No two ways about it! Let Ika people talk again from now going forward we will show them their receipt of slavery. Tweh!

DriveByKiller:
somewhere deep inside Delta north close to Aniocha is the present day slave of Binis and itsekiri. [s]They speak a language known as Olukumi a corrupt form of Yoruba like itsekiri speak today .[/s]Reno has always been a fraud and a fugitive. Logic frowns at him as to how can an insignificant tribe like itsekiri that can't even occupy a single local government on Delta state male slave of a people of over 40 million.Reno always looks for validity and acceptance by social media fuzz. The man is a wet pussy.

Idiot. Olukunmis are Yorubas. They are nobody's slaves. Stop re-writting history.

You dont even know anything. Have you even been to onitsha? Lol even the average Onitsha man says he’s not Igbo.

inderhappy:


Go to Onitsha and make that nonsense statement.... make them roast you like plantain ewu