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Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Crayfish09: 6:59pm On Jul 30, 2021
Biodun556:


The Hadith collectors have made their own research and contributions. Muslim schorlars of today should continue to make it better. However , some schorlars are bent on replacing hadith with their own opinions in order to propagate their own ideology and create divisions among muslims, one must be careful of this. Many Quran verses point to the relevance of hadith which makes it inevitable while interpreting Qur'an. I am of the opinion that not all the hadiths that were rejected are fakes, muslim recognised body and reputable schorlars who are sincere should continue to work on them.

This is the point I'm trying to make. More needs to be worked on.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Crayfish09: 7:01pm On Jul 30, 2021
Hassanmaye:

Yes I agree with you but just like the Qur'an have abrogating and abrogated verses the Hadith also have.
For example.
O prophet urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty who are steadfast they will overcome two hundred.. and if there are among you one hundred who are steadfast they will overcome a thousand who have disbelieve. Qur'an 8:65.
But this verse was later abrogated by Qur'an 8: 66
Now Allah has lighten the hardship for you and he knows that among you is weakness.
So if there are from you one hundred who are steadfast they will overcome two hundred..

Yes, the Hadiths teaches us many things and a lot of them are truly authentic. I still apply many Hadiths in my way of life but it's just a few that I am not convinced with.

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Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by AlBaqir(m): 7:30pm On Jul 30, 2021
nisai:
Thanks. What about beard?

Beard is simply a recommended act, NEVER a compulsory act.

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Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Hendtime: 8:10pm On Jul 30, 2021
GreenCovering:


How you take know say E no do am?
Show me proof
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by nisai: 8:19pm On Jul 30, 2021
AlBaqir:


Beard is simply a recommended act, NEVER a compulsory act.
Ok sir. But I will appreciate proof to back it up.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by GreenCovering: 8:31pm On Jul 30, 2021
Hendtime:

Show me proof

Show which proof.

Is it not you who claimed that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala did not use His creative power of be and it is to create Adam?

Hendtime:

Then why did he not say be when he was making Adam, abi he don forget say him get power?

The onus is on you to show the proof of your claim now.

Inability to show that proof means you are on your own for mocking Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. It is what your hands are preparing for you ahead of your meeting Him.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Baker77: 8:32pm On Jul 30, 2021
Alhajiemeritus:

Na Gymnastics be this my bro...
You know say Quran self came with no districts na old Scholars dey give am the marks, whether above or below, that's why we have different recitation methods.
Same with this, you can either call it (fight)قاتل or قتل.
Depending on the chain/part your Hadith was narrated from.
Peace.

قاتل is pronounce as qo'tala while قتل pronounce as qotala..check dictionary

Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by AlBaqir(m): 7:08am On Jul 31, 2021
nisai:
Ok sir. But I will appreciate proof to back it up.

The only hadith of the Prophet that talks about beard says, "trim your moustache and leave your beard so you can be different from the Jews"

Fi'l al-Amr [commanding verb] usually indicates either: compulsion (waajib) or recommendation (isti'bab). If something is compulsory and you do it not intentionally, then there is punishment for it. Recommended act if done attracts great reward but if left undone, it attracts no punishment.

In the abovementioned hadith, the "command" in its tone and style is a recommendation, never compulsory (even if some too know group of people have made it compulsory for themselves).

You can decide to have beard, trim or shorten it. It's a choice. Sincerely, beard is manly and always look good if kept well.

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Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Usernamesucks: 7:23am On Jul 31, 2021
Crayfish09:


Wa'alaikumu Salam brother.

I watched the video of the apology. It was made because many of us were accusing him of insulting the prophet, so he clarified it and apologized to those who felt offended.

Also, the debate was more of a Q and A session. They asked him to open the pages of all the false hadiths he mentioned in 10 minutes and he was unable to do so.

Indeed. I believe since he authored the books, he could have opened atleast one or two of those false hadiths.

By the way, I'd advise you to seek clarifications from a learned scholar about your thoughts. You may not get what you seek here. May Allah guide us aright. Aameen
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Alhajiemeritus: 8:29am On Jul 31, 2021
Baker77:


قاتل is pronounce as qo'tala while قتل pronounce as qotala..check dictionary
You do not understand my point.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by AntiChristian: 8:51am On Jul 31, 2021
gentleibraheem:


Don't read to give a reply or prove a point read to Understand and Dish out your Opinion.
we are all students of Knowledge Here. Besides the single bane of most of our Ulamas is Assuming Righteousness, Pride, Sentiment and Lack of an Objective Mindset. Listen Please

I don't get your point please.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by AntiChristian: 8:52am On Jul 31, 2021
Hassanmaye:

Sir he is not saying that all the Hadith are not authentic but rather Hadith which don't have backing from the Qur'an are questionable,
I start to believe him.

Most of all these i stated have no backing from the Qur'an too. So they are questionable right?
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by AntiChristian: 9:12am On Jul 31, 2021
drealaz24:


Nothing abrogate each other here. All the verses are clear and understandable. Remember Allah knows everything.

So explain the verses independent of each other.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Hassanmaye(m): 9:19am On Jul 31, 2021
AntiChristian:


Most of all these i stated have no backing from the Qur'an too. So they are questionable right?

Nap, if they have Qur'an backing they Not questionable, the fact that albani Said some Hadith sahih Bukhari are daeef said it all. Only book of Allah is free from error
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by AntiChristian: 9:45am On Jul 31, 2021
Hassanmaye:

Nap, if they have Qur'an backing they Not questionable, the fact that albani Said some Hadith sahih Bukhari are daeef said it all. Only book of Allah is free from error

No one is claiming the generality of the "Sahih ahadith" to be 100% as Allah has destined the Qur'an only to be such. But saying ahadith without backing from the Qur'an is questionable is false and lacks merit.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by AntiChristian: 9:47am On Jul 31, 2021
Itzlinda:


Quran preservation is quite differently from Hadith preservation.
Do you know anyone that has memorized sahihul Bukhari by heart?

Yes I do know them. Even Sahih Muslim join.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Hassanmaye(m): 10:17am On Jul 31, 2021
AntiChristian:


No one is claiming the generality of the "Sahih ahadith" to be 100% as Allah has destined the Qur'an only to be such. But saying ahadith without backing from the Qur'an is questionable is false and lacks merit.
Ok sir
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by nisai: 4:07pm On Jul 31, 2021
AlBaqir:


The only hadith of the Prophet that talks about beard says, "trim your moustache and leave your beard so you can be different from the Jews"

Fi'l al-Amr [commanding verb] usually indicates either: compulsion (waajib) or recommendation (isti'bab). If something is compulsory and you do it not intentionally, then there is punishment for it. Recommended act if done attracts great reward but if left undone, it attracts no punishment.

In the abovementioned hadith, the "command" in its tone and style is a recommendation, never compulsory (even if some too know group of people have made it compulsory for themselves).

You can decide to have beard, trim or shorten it. It's a choice. Sincerely, beard is manly and always look good if kept well.
Nice. Thank u so much, sir. I like how u analyze issues here. I have been your silent follower for long and I know you are shia. The other person I admire here is Sino, a Sunni I believe.

How can I acquire Islamic knowledge? Do you have like madrasa?

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Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 4:18pm On Aug 01, 2021
Abdoolbuster:

LMAO @antii.slam, @Hend.time come o Sombody is saying that the sayings of the prophet (saw) is causing wàhálà (shame) to Islam. Ọmọ x 1 trillion I no fit laugh alone grin grin grin

Antichristian shey you see wetin this your brother compton11 yarn?

Una no go kill person with laugh oo grin

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Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by compton11(m): 4:37pm On Aug 01, 2021
ANTIlSLAM:


Antichristian shey you see wetin this your brother compton11 yarn?

Una no go kill person with laugh oo grin
what did I say?
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:02pm On Aug 01, 2021
compton11:
what did I say?

This is what you said

"Sahih is not 100% percent reliable especially sahih Bukhari,thya book needs to be revised cos it has cause much wahala in Islamic world."


You just finish Islam grin
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by compton11(m): 7:13pm On Aug 01, 2021
ANTIlSLAM:


This is what you said

"Sahih is not 100% percent reliable especially sahih Bukhari,thya book needs to be revised cos it has cause much wahala in Islamic world."


You just finish Islam grin
yes cos Bukhari collected those Hadith from people after like 400 years after prophet!


And some are not reliable
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:50am On Aug 02, 2021
compton11:
yes cos Bukhari collected those Hadith from people after like 400 years after prophet!


And some are not reliable

But ur brother antichris said Sahih bukhari is the best and 100% reliable
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Abdoolbuster: 6:52am On Aug 02, 2021
MakotoShishio:
I also support Sahih Hadith

[img]https://images./5vguVpLLeqqXyvBrrs70js.jpg[/img]

In fact Sahih Hadiths has been elevated beyond Quran in certain ways

For example the Qur'an gave instructions that when gays are caught they should be beaten with sandals grin but Hadiths says that they should be killed lmao
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Abdoolbuster: 6:53am On Aug 02, 2021
ANTIlSLAM:


But ur brother antichris said Sahih bukhari is the best and 100% reliable

Even the Qur'an was collected hundreds of years after Muhammad has long died grin
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Abdoolbuster: 6:55am On Aug 02, 2021
compton11:
yes cos Bukhari collected those Hadith from people after like 400 years after prophet!


And some are not reliable

It is the same people who collected and transmitted the Qur'an that collected and transmitted the hadiths also. If you must reject the hadiths then you must reject the Qur'an they transmitted too. This is the Dilemma of abdools
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Alhajiemeritus: 9:03am On Aug 02, 2021
compton11:
yes cos Bukhari collected those Hadith from people after like 400 years after prophet!


And some are not reliable
Imam Bukhari didn't even write Sahih Buhari
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by Alhajiemeritus: 9:04am On Aug 02, 2021
Abdoolbuster:


It is the same people who collected and transmitted the Qur'an that collected and transmitted the hadiths also. If you must reject the hadiths then you must reject the Qur'an they transmitted too. This is the Dilemma of abdools
Wrong.
Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 9:18am On Aug 02, 2021
Abdoolbuster:


Even the Qur'an was collected hundreds of years after Muhammad has long died grin

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Re: Should Sahih Hadiths Really Be 100% Accepted? by compton11(m): 10:46am On Aug 02, 2021
Alhajiemeritus:
Imam Bukhari didn't even write Sahih Buhari
wa llahu alam

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