HardMirror:
Judgement?

Yes, Judgement.

HardMirror:
do you know babies died in the noah flood (if we are to accept the story as true?)

Are you trying to play the 'guilty trip' card?

HardMirror:
what judgement is that?

HardMirror, it is one you arent equipped to understand. Its the judgement that has no meaning nor value to you, since you dont share the faith of those who comprehend God's reason for executing it.

HardMirror:
do you know that your god asked isreal to kill innocent people and steal their lands and properties (same thing Fulani bandits are doing) and you call that judgement?

You're mixing up apples together with oranges mate

HardMirror:
supporters of evil are evil people themselves. this is exactly why I say ALL Christians are evil minded people ...

Beloved, I am not holding brief for christians

HardMirror:
if you gues can defend the atrocities of Moses, Joshua, David and the rest,

Genesis 15:12-16
'12When the sun was setting, a deep sleep overcame Abram; and a horror (terror, shuddering fear, nightmare) of great darkness overcame him.
13God said to Abram, “Know for sure that your descendants will be strangers [living temporarily] in a land (Egypt) that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed for four hundred years.
14But on that nation whom your descendants will serve I will bring judgment, and afterward they will come out [of that land] with great possessions.
15As for you, you shall [die and] go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.
16Then in the fourth generation your descendants shall return here [to Canaan, the land of promise], for the wickedness and guilt of the Amorites is not yet complete (finished).”'

You gon learn one, two or more things.
Like in the time of Noah when the earth was destroyed through a world wide flood, in similarly way, judgement was passed on the Canaanite/Amorite for their misbehaviour with Moses, the Levites, Joshua, David and the rest used to execute it. Pardon the pun

HardMirror:
... yet think you are better than ISIS, Boko Haram and Fulani bandits, you guys are not serious at all

SIS, Boko Haram and Fulani bandits, constitute the axis of evil threatening the sense of security, the peace and tranquility of our green white green nation

BassReeves:
Absolutely Philip died just as well as Enoch and Elijah did

John 3:13
'No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven – the Son of Man.'

1. Where did God take Enoch to?
2. Why was Enoch teleported (i.e. taken away)? What is the reason behind why God teleported or took Enoch?
3. Is Jesus lying then when He declared that no one has ascend into heaven bar Him that came from heaven?

Heb 11:5 KJV By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Jesus Christ was talking in context of people that were alive and on earth, He being a man too at the time and projecting authority to speak about heaven.

HardMirror:
lol. I like how you are having fun with him.
these guys are just not ready to be honest with themselves, what a dichotomy for a religion that claims to be based on the virtue of truth, yet the followers cannot be honest.
the will scream, Jesus heals!! ask them for proof, they begin to give excuses.
there is God! bring proof, they start giving excuses.

Religion is built upon lies and they need to keep telling more lies to cover the existing lies.

HardMirror:
this seems to define you and your folks very accurately, you do not want to hear anything that contradicts your belief, you do not even bother examining the arguments and facts.

I have been here for the past 2 years seeing everything contrary to my belief and asking questions.

And the proponents of such contrary beliefs see even for themselves that their belief is flawed and has no reasonable and valid ground to stand upon so they fall silent before me.

But I on the other hand, not a one has ever been able to reasonably and validly find any flaw in my presentation of the knowledge of God.

Not a one, as you yourself has seen having checked through my various debates.

HardMirror:

I am 100% sure you did not even watch the video I posted here but rush to start blabbing and yet you make this quote that aptly describes you

Of course I would not watch it for it is automatically invalid ab initio and beyond argument.

Which is why I answered with The Law, "man is made for the earth". He is permitted to weild "Natural Power" at his will and discretion but the "Super Natural or Above Natural, is not giving up to his will and pleasure, if not it would not be "Super natural"

And you have since had no rebuttal not to talk of making a valid rebuttal!

So your video and all your declarations are void.

HardMirror:
great, then it should not b e hard for you to give a link to these proofs you have severally provided. just give us one out of the millions you have been providing.

No I would not be going through my posts to find the several threads which have arisen and we put down, no I would not do that.

You are just going to have to wait for another idiot who going to ask the same ol stupid question, then you can be sure you will not miss when we come to tear them to pieces and give reasonable valid proof.

So you are gonna have to sit this one out.

LordReed:


Quote one place where you submitted evidence of this thing you are talking about to me.

So many many threads away, I can not go through my pile of posts to find them. I'm allergic to suffering.

Image123:
Heb 11:5 KJV By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Isaiah 57:1
'Good people pass away; the godly often die before their time.
But no one seems to care or wonder why.
No one seems to understand that God is protecting them from the evil to come.'

1. What specific death was Enoch taken away not to see?
2. So being translated, where exactly was Enoch and Elijah moved to? Was it heaven? Or it was another place on earth?

Image123:
Jesus Christ was talking in context of people that were alive and on earth, He being a man too at the time and projecting authority to speak about heaven.

Jesus Christ was talking in context and in a wider context rather than specifically of people that were alive and on earth. He emphatically was saying no man has not died. No man has not gone to heaven bar Him the One who has come from heaven

Dtruthspeaker:


"The Truth which makes men free is most often The Truth they do not wish to hear"!

And when they are never able to supply a reasonable and valid counter in opposition, they start crying "stupid posts"!

Or maybe we are just good at identifying stupid posts

BassReeves:
[b]
1. What specific death was Enoch taken away not to see?

The death we know and call "and he died"

BassReeves:

2. So being translated, where exactly was Enoch and Elijah moved to? Was it heaven? Or it was another place on earth?

Certainly not another place on earth for the earth is full of evil.

So it could be heaven itself or any of the other territories of God which we know not.

But surely, they are in one of God's Territories other than earth.

BassReeves:
[b]
Jesus Christ was talking in context and in a wider context rather than specifically of people that were alive and on earth. He emphatically was saying no man has not died. No man has not gone to heaven bar Him the One who has come from heaven

If you are saying that Christ Said "no man has died" I agree with you, for it is A Creator Who always determines what death is, as I am telling Hardmirror and Lreed on the issue of life after death.

What we call death, our Creator tells us that it is a "sleeping", which is why all men shall rise up on that day for the proper death and Life eternal.

hahn:

Or maybe we are just good at identifying stupid posts

Stupid posts always bring about valid condemnations but condemnations which only arise out of displeasure by reason of bias are never ever valid nor reasonable.

Dtruthspeaker:


Stupid posts always bring about valid condemnations but condemnations which only arise out of displeasure by reason of bias are never ever valid nor reasonable.

The valid condemnations are simply as a result of the posts being stupid.

All that long talk is just jara

hahn:


The valid condemnations are simply as a result of the posts being stupid.

All that long talk is just jara

Then you agree with me and it is settled that it is only stupid posts which attract valid condemnations and not valid posts with invalid condemnations arising out of pain and loss!

I am sure you are going to do last card and check up post.

Dtruthspeaker:


Then you agree with me and it is settled that it is only stupid posts which attract valid condemnations and not valid posts with invalid condemnations condemnations arising out of pain and loss!

I am sure you are going to do last card and check up post.

Yes, we both agree your posts are stupid

Dtruthspeaker:


I and others here have severally giving natural "evidence of feeling" yet you guys exercised your power to refuse to accept evidence.



Exactly as it is natural FOR YOU TO LOOK For The Owner of the House or Hotel in which you are living free even if you have not seen Him, for a House Always has an Owner.

So also this House which we call the world, must also have its Owner, for none of us here know that we do not own it and neither did we make it nor can a house create itself.



I am their peer of equal standing and therefore i have a right and power to make my presence known, which exactly as they do to God, you guys have the power to refuse to acknowledge my presence here.



That is because it is exercising His Own Personal Power not to affect anything, exactly as you can choose to leave the brush which falls behind your cupboard until you are ready to deal with it.



He is felt the same way by everyone all over the world and we have severally shown you so but you guys have simply exercised that right to refuse to accept the natural evidence given.

First,you can't give or share or show what you don't have.
You never had the feeling of God and that's why you never showed it.
Nobody has the power to refuse to acknowledge your presence TO YOU.
In other words, nobody can directly, literally and seriously tell Dtruthspeaker that he doesn't exist after recognizing his moniker.
If God were really around or in the same environment as everyone ,he would have been recognized and nobody would have literally and seriously said 'God doesn't exist'.
Whatever that exists has no power not to affect anything.
Affecting doesn't always mean dealing with something.
It can also mean having an impact in the same environment as several things whether all of them feel the impact or not
In other words, the impact can exist in different ways.
The magnitude of the impact can also exist in different ways.
So, whatever exists affects certain things in different ways.
You affect certain things whether you like it or not.
It is inevitable.
If he is felt the same way by everyone, nobody will seriously and literally ask for an evidence.
Also,there will not be any serious disagreement concerning what he does or what he did or what he says or what he said.

Concerning a house not creating itself,I think the Earth is nobody's house.

It is where there's a battle to survive.

It doesn't guarantee safety, peace, happiness,1% well-being, adequate care, opportunities to survive(some die in their mother's system or just after coming out)

It guarantees competition, wickedness,hatred, mockery, injustice,dishonesty, violence, poverty, malnutrition, diseases, genetic disasters and random deaths/people dying anyhow.


These issues have no basis.
They coincide with accidental manifestations of consciousness.
Karma is a liar.



What else?

BassReeves:
Isaiah 57:1
'Good people pass away; the godly often die before their time.
But no one seems to care or wonder why.
No one seems to understand that God is protecting them from the evil to come.'

1. What specific death was Enoch taken away not to see?
2. So being translated, where exactly was Enoch and Elijah moved to? Was it heaven? Or it was another place on earth?

There is no Bible passage that says that Enoch died. Hebrews very specifically says he did not die, there is no contradiction there.
Gen 5:24  And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. 
Heb 11:5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 
(GNB)  It was faith that kept Enoch from dying. Instead, he was taken up to God, and nobody could find him, because God had taken him up. The scripture says that before Enoch was taken up, he had pleased God.
(BBE)  By faith Enoch was taken up to heaven so that he did not see death; he was seen no longer, for God took him away: for before he was taken, witness had been given that he was well-pleasing to God:
(CEV)  Enoch had faith and did not die. He pleased God, and God took him up to heaven. That's why his body was never found.

Enoch was taken away for walking with God 300years. Enoch and Elijah were moved to a place where Moses is, where Abraham is. We see Elijah and Moses come to meet Jesus during the transfiguration, so apparently they are together. They are all where saints go when they die, conveniently called heaven, popularly called paradise or Abraham's bosom, the arms of Jesus, resting until the rapture when we shall all be changed. The point though is that the Bible clearly states that these two did not die.

Jesus Christ was talking in context and in a wider context rather than specifically of people that were alive and on earth. He emphatically was saying no man has not died. No man has not gone to heaven bar Him the One who has come from heaven

If you are emphatic about the verse literal meaning, maybe we should take it in that Jesus Himself was not on earth as the verse says He was in heaven, right? Or when He tells some people that He healed to tell NO MAN, it was literally no man. Of course men knew, the disciples and the priests knew for instance. Are they not men? In case that is still not enough for you, note that people who exit earth are no more mere men, else James would not say Elijah was a man. He would have said Elijah IS a man.

Jas 5:17  Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

HardMirror:
lol. I like how you are having fun with him.
these guys are just not ready to be honest with themselves, what a dichotomy for a religion that claims to be based on the virtue of truth, yet the followers cannot be honest.
the will scream, Jesus heals!! ask them for proof, they begin to give excuses.
there is God! bring proof, they start giving excuses.

When does it matter for God to show up or "prove Himself". Your kid brother could not answer, maybe you can help him instead of fooling him. i have thrown a challenge to you to go to the next Kumuyi's programme this month if you are really looking for proof. Sitting in your bed asking God to prove Himself or else, you will kill yourself is not very wise. Go out and seek God, you will find Him like others do. Abi you no get money make dem raise you?

Dtruthspeaker:


So many many threads away, I can not go through my pile of posts to find them. I'm allergic to suffering.

Ok so what was the thread about?

HellVictorinho:

First,you can't give or share or show what you don't have.

sure, that's The Law! However, The Law also dictates that you can not come to this conclusion until time and facilities have been offered to a witness to present what he has (evidence)

And many threads have afforded us both the time and facility to so give evidence.

And none of you could validly refute the evidence given.

You simply just exercised your power to refuse to accept given evidence. That's all.

HellVictorinho:

You never had the feeling of God and that's why you never showed it.

Now you are concluding even before you hear a matter, for you never demanded that evidence be given, so now you are most unfair.

HellVictorinho:

Nobody has the power to refuse to acknowledge your presence TO YOU.
In other words, nobody can directly, literally and seriously tell Dtruthspeaker that he doesn't exist after recognizing his moniker.

Can anyone stop their mouths?

They can but as I told you IT WOULD NOT BE VALID!

But they can

Example!
"HellVictorino, does not exist. I have never seen him, spoken to him or anything. He is just a fabrication by the Nollywood!

He don't exist!"

See, I told you to your face and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

HellVictorinho:

If God were really around or in the same environment as everyone ,he would have been recognized and nobody would have literally and seriously said 'God doesn't exist'.

You are around your environment and even you have run into persons who said "who are you? Do you stay here?"

And someone has even told you that "you no believe say my mama no know you! I tell am say "Victor say make I greet you and she talk say "who be Victor?"

Cling! You did not exist to her even though you were in her environment.

HellVictorinho:

Whatever that exists has no power not to affect anything.

Do you not real eyes that you have to give proof of the Truth of this statement?

HellVictorinho:

Affecting doesn't always mean dealing with something.

Are you ......? Show proof.

HellVictorinho:

It can also mean having an impact in the same environment as several things whether all of them feel the impact or not.

Do you now see how you cancel yourself?

First you say "Affecting doesn't always mean dealing with something."

And in the same breathe you say "It can also mean having an impact".

[quote author=HellVictorinho post=104654299]
Concerning a house not creating itself,I think the Earth is nobody's house.]

Just as you stated The Law "That you can not give what you do not have" so also is it The Law "That he builds a house, is the owner of that house"

I have to stop here for the discussion is getting unintelligible.

hahn:


Yes, we both agree your posts are stupid

We already agreed that all your declaration are always invalid!

LordReed:


Ok so what was the thread about?

They are mostly afterlife threads or threads about death and dying or wherever this issue arose within a thread.

Dtruthspeaker:


sure, that's The Law! However, The Law also dictates that you can not come to this conclusion until time and facilities have been offered to a witness to present what he has (evidence)

And many threads have afforded us both the time and facility to so give evidence.

And none of you could validly refute the evidence given.

You simply just exercised your power to refuse to accept given evidence. That's all.



Now you are concluding even before you hear a matter, for you never demanded that evidence be given, so now you are most unfair.



Can anyone stop their mouths?

They can but as I told you IT WOULD NOT BE VALID!

But they can

Example!
"HellVictorino, does not exist. I have never seen him, spoken to him or anything. He is just a fabrication by the Nollywood!

He don't exist!"

See, I told you to your face and there is nothing you can do to stop me.



You are around your environment and even you have run into persons who said "who are you? Do you stay here?"

And someone has even told you that "you no believe say my mama no know you! I tell am say "Victor say make I greet you and she talk say "who be Victor?"

Cling! You did not exist to her even though you were in her environment.



Do you not real eyes that you have to give proof of the Truth of this statement?



Are you ......? Show proof.



Do you now see how you cancel yourself?

First you say "Affecting doesn't always mean dealing with something."

And in the same breathe you say "It can also mean having an impact".

You only claim to have given evidence or shown evidence.

Why do you keep repeating that evidence was refused or rejected when you have not established that anyone agreed towards the identity of what you gave??

If I seriously don't agree that you are holding beans ,it means I can't seriously reject what I consider as beans.





You did not mean it when you said Hell Victorinho doesn't exist.
You did not say it seriously.
If you don't think I exist,you won't quote me.


Who seriously says humans don't exist?
If anyone says it, such person cannot mean it after recognizing humans!

It doesn't have to be Hell Victorinho.

Having an impact can be helping someone or something (an animal)
Dealing with someone or something means affecting negatively

Workch:
Religion is built upon lies and they need to keep telling more lies to cover the existing lies.

exactly

Dtruthspeaker:


They are mostly afterlife threads or threads about death and dying or wherever this issue arose within a thread.

Do you consider arguments for the existence of a thing valid evidence that that thing exists?

LordReed:


Do you consider arguments for the existence of a thing valid evidence that that thing exists?

Could explain some what you mean for I have multiple interpretations of your statement.

Dtruthspeaker:


Could explain some what you mean for I have multiple interpretations of your statement.

If you put forward a reason or set of reasons given in support of the existence of a thing, do you consider that evidence for the existence of the thing?

LordReed:

If you put forward a reason or set of reasons given in support of the existence of a thing, do you consider that evidence for the existence of the thing?

Hmm! I do not know how to accurately respond to this because this is very very wide.

This is where you have To know A lot about the Various Types of Evidence together with The Laws of Evidence Which Discards Certain types of Evidence and Allowing other types of it.

Then there is a difference between evidence and "Proof of Truth"

Example: the evidence of deadly weapon is guns, knives, cutlasses, poison, dangerous animals.

But the proof of murder requires many NATURAL Evidence (Not Fabrications) properly and perfectly reasonably fitting together eg, A living body who became a dead body, a gun , a fatal and deathly gun wound, a person connected to the dead body when alive and dead (2 or 3 evidences in here), evidence of the presence of malice or unreasonable lack of care for a fellow living person etc.

These and more are the various facts at play which a person must properly put together before he can validly come to a reasonable Proof of Truth of any issue in question.

Which is why I always call out for my fellow lawyers here to come and let us properly settle any issue on discuss here but I understand, they now see and appreciate that they are too close to God, For God is Law Too and therefore, they flee and stay silent, lest His Wrath Falls on them and they that in their case, God will move very very quickly.

So you just have to manage me and my Brother in The Law, Truespeak, who has been not spoken here for a while.

Dtruthspeaker:


Hmm! I do not know how to accurately respond to this because this is very very wide.

This is where you have To know A lot about the Various Types of Evidence together with The Laws of Evidence Which Discards Certain types of Evidence and Allowing other types of it.

Then there is a difference between evidence and "Proof of Truth"

Example: the evidence of deadly weapon is guns, knives, cutlasses, poison, dangerous animals.

But the proof of murder requires many NATURAL Evidence (Not Fabrications) properly and perfectly reasonably fitting together eg, A living body who became a dead body, a gun , a fatal and deathly gun wound, a person connected to the dead body when alive and dead (2 or 3 evidences in here), evidence of the presence of malice or unreasonable lack of care for a fellow living person etc.

These and more are the various facts at play which a person must properly put together before he can validly come to a reasonable Proof of Truth of any issue in question.

Which is why I always call out for my fellow lawyers here to come and let us properly settle any issue on discuss here but I understand, they now see and appreciate that they are too close to God, For God is Law Too and therefore, they flee and stay silent, lest His Wrath Falls on them and they that in their case, God will move very very quickly.

So you just have to manage me and my Brother in The Law, Truespeak, who has been not spoken here for a while.

You still haven't answered the question.

LordReed:


You still haven't answered the question.

I can not answer the question because "reason" is both evidence and not evidence.

And evidence is both Proof of Truth of an issue and Not the Proof of Truth of an issue and without being a Lawyer, you can not know which is which.

Dtruthspeaker:


I can not answer the question because "reason" is both evidence and not evidence.

And evidence is both Proof of Truth of an issue and Not the Proof of Truth of an issue and without being a Lawyer, you can not know which is which.

Good so how do we tell when reason is evidence?

LordReed:


Good so how do we tell when reason is evidence?

You have to be a lawyer to know how to divide them.

Dtruthspeaker:


You have to be a lawyer to know how to divide them.

So why do you present reason as evidence to non lawyers? How are we supposed to tell?

LordReed:


So why do you present reason as evidence to non lawyers? How are we supposed to tell?

I never presented reason as evidence, I presented evidence, as evidence.